BioPerformance SCAM. Proven to be a Moth Ball!

[kaycee]

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BioPerformance crashes and burns.

I feel bad for the people scammed, been there before. :flame: :weep:

Videos are brutal http://www.wesh.com/painatthepump/9161874/detail.html

Florida station gets college prof and proves BioPerformance is a Moth Ball.

Naphthalene is also a known carcinogen and toxic. Could be fatal if swallowed, but the label says non toxic!

[Arzel]

Thanks for the info Kaycee.

Let this be a warning for everyone during these times of high gas prices.

There are many different "magic" products which claim to boost car millage by 10% - 30%, but the truth is that anything that actually could do this would already be out there. Additionally many of the products which can add millage are detrimental to your car.

I, as much as anyone, would like to see something help me get better gas millage, but the fact remains there is little you can do to gas to improve on its ability to improve gas millage.

The best thing you can do is make sure your car is in proper running order and get a tune up at regular intervals.

[sisco50]

Thanks for the info Kaycee.

Let this be a warning for everyone during these times of high gas prices.

There are many different "magic" products which claim to boost car millage by 10% - 30%, but the truth is that anything that actually could do this would already be out there. Additionally many of the products which can add millage are detrimental to your car.

I, as much as anyone, would like to see something help me get better gas millage, but the fact remains there is little you can do to gas to improve on its ability to improve gas millage.

The best thing you can do is make sure your car is in proper running order and get a tune up at regular intervals.

Proper running order can include things like air intake and exhaust modifications. This will give you a side benefit of much better performance horsepower-wise and better fuel economy. As far as tune ups at regular intervals goes, all three of my vehicles are scheduled for a tune up at 100K miles. (factory recommendation) We can discuss chips and micro-tuners but should probably save that for another thread. :)

[Gringo]

The promoters that claim that they are saving X% are most likely self deluted. They may in fact genuinely think that BioPerformance is working, but either did not scientifically do an accurate performance test, or unconsciously altered their driving or made mistakes in testing due to a strong desire for it to work.

Many people and reputable companies have accurately tested this and other similar products and have all concluded that there is no mileage boost. Lord knows we all could use it and hope that something like this would work, but unfortunately it ain't so.

[jokach]

In continuing Gringo's point, there is no proven independent study that confirms that BioPerformance does work, and that it is even safe for cars. At this point, there are some studies underway, but nothing conclusive has yet to be shown that it works. http://www.fuelsaving.info/debunk.htm is a good viewpoint of fuel-saving gadgets from a mechanic who stands to gain NOTHING from them, that opinion means more to me than someone whose upline is going to benefit from its sale.

Bioperformance even states itself that individual results will vary, which would concern me, because its difficult to imagine that one person can get 25% savings and another only gets 1% ... seems like too large of a gap in results even if different engines are used, there still needs to be some standard measure, which I can't find anywhere.

jokach

[sisco50]

"Fuelsaving.info" is really good information. Nothing most of us don't already know but good to see in print from time to time. The author even mentions the performance chipping I wrote about yesterday.

"Companies selling devices that genuinely improve performance (such as "chipping" upgrades) always quote measurements of this sort, and they are not difficult or expensive to do. So when somebody claims a performance increase but doesn't have any data of this sort to back it up, ask yourself why."

My own experience with "chipping upgrades" has been nothing short of spectacular and I highly recommend it for big block pick up trucks. The key here is performance improvement and not fuel savings improvement. Diesel engine performance increases are greater than gasoline engine increases. I have used Micro Tuners on both types in the recent past and found the money spent was well worth it to me.

Bottom line here is that I agree that all the add on fuel saving devices are basically a scam and a waste of your money. But do not confuse these devices with the "chipping upgrades" that actually deliver what they promise and can prove it.

[mechanic]

"Fuelsaving.info" is really good information. Nothing most of us don't already know but good to see in print from time to time. The author even mentions the performance chipping I wrote about yesterday.

"Companies selling devices that genuinely improve performance (such as "chipping" upgrades) always quote measurements of this sort, and they are not difficult or expensive to do. So when somebody claims a performance increase but doesn't have any data of this sort to back it up, ask yourself why."

My own experience with "chipping upgrades" has been nothing short of spectacular and I highly recommend it for big block pick up trucks. The key here is performance improvement and not fuel savings improvement. Diesel engine performance increases are greater than gasoline engine increases. I have used Micro Tuners on both types in the recent past and found the money spent was well worth it to me.

Bottom line here is that I agree that all the add on fuel saving devices are basically a scam and a waste of your money. But do not confuse these devices with the "chipping upgrades" that actually deliver what they promise and can prove it.

I will have to say that there are a few products that do work out there, and I will say that going with synthetic oil products such as Royal Purple and Leading edge, of which Mobile one synthetic oil is the base oil used are extremely good products. I can speak from experience about what they do since I have torn down engines and seen the effect they have internally on diesely and gas. I am before I retired a mechanic and have performed the work my whole working life. Now I will have one thing to say and that is that there is a product called Ethose that does have a lot of promise, but I am doing my own test on it. The way I am testing it is to run 5 tanks through it with normal driving conditions without the product, then run 5 tanks with the Ethos in it, then do the same with it in the oil along with the synthetic oil I use, then do the same with the tranny. The reason I am doing 5 tank test at each step is to get a good baseline average MPG. I will post the results at the end and it will be posted whether good or bad, either way it will be posted. In fact there are some news video out there that has and shows results, but I might have the local ones run a test on it also, after all, we all need to know if it works or not, and I am not just talking about the Matrix portion of it but the product itself.



Layton

[Arzel]

I will have to say that there are a few products that do work out there, and I will say that going with synthetic oil products such as Royal Purple and Leading edge, of which Mobile one synthetic oil is the base oil used are extremely good products. I can speak from experience about what they do since I have torn down engines and seen the effect they have internally on diesely and gas. I am before I retired a mechanic and have performed the work my whole working life. Now I will have one thing to say and that is that there is a product called Ethose that does have a lot of promise, but I am doing my own test on it. The way I am testing it is to run 5 tanks through it with normal driving conditions without the product, then run 5 tanks with the Ethos in it, then do the same with it in the oil along with the synthetic oil I use, then do the same with the tranny. The reason I am doing 5 tank test at each step is to get a good baseline average MPG. I will post the results at the end and it will be posted whether good or bad, either way it will be posted. In fact there are some news video out there that has and shows results, but I might have the local ones run a test on it also, after all, we all need to know if it works or not, and I am not just talking about the Matrix portion of it but the product itself.



Layton

I am not familiar with Ethos, but I did switch to Mobil Synthetic and noticed a slight increase in gas millage, and the engince does seem to run a little better, but I haven't done any statistical testing.

One thing that you can do to improve gas millage is change the way you drive, especially in town. Quick stops and starts are a waste of energy, and driving a little slower on the highway can make a difference (if you don't mind being a few minutes longer trip).

If anyone saw Mythbusters, another thing you can do if you own a pickup is leave the tailgate UP. It seems anti intuitive, but when up a dome of air is created which helps direct airflow over the pickup. When down the air comes over the cab and pushes down on the pickup bed reducing gas millage.

[sisco50]

I am not familiar with Ethos, but I did switch to Mobil Synthetic and noticed a slight increase in gas millage, and the engince does seem to run a little better, but I haven't done any statistical testing.

One thing that you can do to improve gas millage is change the way you drive, especially in town. Quick stops and starts are a waste of energy, and driving a little slower on the highway can make a difference (if you don't mind being a few minutes longer trip).

If anyone saw Mythbusters, another thing you can do if you own a pickup is leave the tailgate UP. It seems anti intuitive, but when up a dome of air is created which helps direct airflow over the pickup. When down the air comes over the cab and pushes down on the pickup bed reducing gas millage.

I totally agree with the tailgate UP. Good point, Arzel! :)

[Gringo]

Now I will have one thing to say and that is that there is a product called Ethose that does have a lot of promise, but I am doing my own test on it. You need to be very careful with this. As it states here (www.fuelsaving.info/debunk.htm):
When the driver knows they have a fuel-saving device fitted, it's bound to affect driving style.

The article also suggets averagung the before and after test over several thousand miles, so 5 gas tanks might not give accurate results.

[mechanic]

You need to be very careful with this. As it states here (www.fuelsaving.info/debunk.htm):


The article also suggets averagung the before and after test over several thousand miles, so 5 gas tanks might not give accurate results.

Ok, I have not really delved into the fuel saving part, because for the most part there was not any or very little to be gained from them,I mostly went with the synthetics with antiwear additives in them, mainly to save wear and tear on the engine. I know for a fact first hand that the Royal Purple additives work, for the simple reason that a customer had a perkins six cyl diesel that sprang an engine oil leak and the operator never checled the oil gage and ran it until the engine locked up.When I removed the oil pan and found the rod and mains seized, I knew that it was a $20,000.00 crank replacement, but the journals looked so smoothe, that I micked them and they turned aout to still be standard, so the customer was saved a crank. I carried the brgs around with me for about four years, I couldnt believe it, but that oil does work and it made a believer out of me.As for all the enhancements for increased milage, was asked about all of them, the plate under the carb with 3/32 holes in it, them magnet, the coffee can with the fuel line wound up in it with dry ice, the clothes pins on the fuel line, the adjustable fuel pressure regulaters, seen all of them. All I am saying about Ethos is that the emissions tests that have been ran by some tv stations have definately lowered the emissions and increased the milage, It even has documentation on the Calif opacity test for diesels, that is the amount of light that can pass through the exhaust, before it 6.6% and after it was 0.01% to 0.00%, and the Dallas Fox news had the emmissions ran before and after and Texas runs it on a Dyno at 60to 70 MPH and at slow speed and it showed a difference.As I said I was running my own test and finnished my test without Ethos today and got a baseline average. I noe put Ethos and will run the same baseline with it. Here is the first of the basline average and this mas a mixture of city and hwy driving which is normal driving for me:

1st tank=21.14=11.687 gal=247.1miles
2nd tank=26.79=8.781 gal=235.3 miles
3rd tank=23.79=5.501 gal=130.8 miles
4th tank=20.25=7.799 gal= 158.0 miles
The overall average was 16.983 MPG
I will also post what it is with Ethos in the tank, like I said, despite the positive things about it, I want to know what it really does myself.

In case you are interested, I will post where all the vidieos and tests are, The test are under the prove it yourself and testimonials button at the top,There is no referral url and you cannot buy from this site.

www.ethosfr.com

ck it out and watch the videos.



Layton

[Arzel]

Ok, I have not really delved into the fuel saving part, because for the most part there was not any or very little to be gained from them,I mostly went with the synthetics with antiwear additives in them, mainly to save wear and tear on the engine. I know for a fact first hand that the Royal Purple additives work, for the simple reason that a customer had a perkins six cyl diesel that sprang an engine oil leak and the operator never checled the oil gage and ran it until the engine locked up.When I removed the oil pan and found the rod and mains seized, I knew that it was a $20,000.00 crank replacement, but the journals looked so smoothe, that I micked them and they turned aout to still be standard, so the customer was saved a crank. I carried the brgs around with me for about four years, I couldnt believe it, but that oil does work and it made a believer out of me.As for all the enhancements for increased milage, was asked about all of them, the plate under the carb with 3/32 holes in it, them magnet, the coffee can with the fuel line wound up in it with dry ice, the clothes pins on the fuel line, the adjustable fuel pressure regulaters, seen all of them. All I am saying about Ethos is that the emissions tests that have been ran by some tv stations have definately lowered the emissions and increased the milage, It even has documentation on the Calif opacity test for diesels, that is the amount of light that can pass through the exhaust, before it 6.6% and after it was 0.01% to 0.00%, and the Dallas Fox news had the emmissions ran before and after and Texas runs it on a Dyno at 60to 70 MPH and at slow speed and it showed a difference.As I said I was running my own test and finnished my test without Ethos today and got a baseline average. I noe put Ethos and will run the same baseline with it. Here is the first of the basline average and this mas a mixture of city and hwy driving which is normal driving for me:

1st tank=21.14=11.687 gal=247.1miles
2nd tank=26.79=8.781 gal=235.3 miles
3rd tank=23.79=5.501 gal=130.8 miles
4th tank=20.25=7.799 gal= 158.0 miles
The overall average was 16.983 MPG
I will also post what it is with Ethos in the tank, like I said, despite the positive things about it, I want to know what it really does myself.

In case you are interested, I will post where all the vidieos and tests are, The test are under the prove it yourself and testimonials button at the top,There is no referral url and you cannot buy from this site.

www.ethosfr.com

ck it out and watch the videos.



Layton

Can you post the previous four fills before using Ethos so I can do a statistical comparison test?

Arzel

[mechanic]

Can you post the previous four fills before using Ethos so I can do a statistical comparison test?

Arzel

Tat was the fills without Ethos, at the last fillup today, I put 5oz in the tank only, the next four folls will be the first two with 5oz in tank, then the next three with 1oz per 10gal.Tlast one on the page was what I put in today and when I got home I put the Ethos in at 5oz. the next will show the average with it.

Layton

[Arzel]

Tat was the fills without Ethos, at the last fillup today, I put 5oz in the tank only, the next four folls will be the first two with 5oz in tank, then the next three with 1oz per 10gal.Tlast one on the page was what I put in today and when I got home I put the Ethos in at 5oz. the next will show the average with it.

Layton

Oh, ok. I am a little confused though. You listed an overal MPG of 16.93, and when I average your last 4 fills (baseline) I get 22.99.

[mechanic]

Oh, ok. I am a little confused though. You listed an overal MPG of 16.93, and when I average your last 4 fills (baseline) I get 22.99.

Ok, the way I did it was to take the starting milage and the ending milage of today and came up with the total milage driven, then added up the total gal used and divided it to come up with that.

Beginning milage 62,467
Ending milage 63,239

Gal. used 45.455

Total miles driven 771.2
gal divided 45.455
avg mph 16.983


This is the way the log reads:
Date 04/20/06 04/24/06 05/01/06 05/09/06
Vehichle 2000 Ford Tauraus Ford Tauraus Ford Tauraus Ford Tauraus
Odo Stop 62714 62950 63081 63239
Odo Start 62467 62714 62950 63081
Miles 247.1 235.3 130.8 158.0
Price $2.84.9 $2.859 $2.8549 $2.8549
Gal/Pumped 11.687 8.871 5.501 7.799
MPG 21.14 26.79 23.77 20.25



That is the way I figured it
It did nt space the way I wanted it to for some reason

Layton

[Arzel]

Ok, the way I did it was to take the starting milage and the ending milage of today and came up with the total milage driven, then added up the total gal used and divided it to come up with that.

Beginning milage 62,467
Ending milage 63,239

Gal. used 45.455

Total miles driven 771.2
gal divided 45.455
avg mph 16.983


This is the way the log reads:
Date 04/20/06 04/24/06 05/01/06 05/09/06
Vehichle 2000 Ford Tauraus Ford Tauraus Ford Tauraus Ford Tauraus
Odo Stop 62714 62950 63081 63239
Odo Start 62467 62714 62950 63081
Miles 247.1 235.3 130.8 158.0
Price $2.84.9 $2.859 $2.8549 $2.8549
Gal/Pumped 11.687 8.871 5.501 7.799
MPG 21.14 26.79 23.77 20.25



That is the way I figured it
It did nt space the way I wanted it to for some reason

Layton

Spaces are hard to space. :)

I get a total of 33.768 gals (11.687+8.871+5.501+7.799) All your other numbers calculate correctly, so I am wondering if you didn't include another fill in your original total of 45.455 gals.

!Solved!
I see the problem. You added 11.687 twice, it works out to exactly 45.455 if you add 11.687 to 33.768.

[mechanic]

Spaces are hard to space. :)

I get a total of 33.768 gals (11.687+8.871+5.501+7.799) All your other numbers calculate correctly, so I am wondering if you didn't include another fill in your original total of 45.455 gals.

!Solved!
I see the problem. You added 11.687 twice, it works out to exactly 45.455 if you add 11.687 to 33.768.

AAAAAh me bad and blond, your right, the 16 did kinda bug me, it is 22.838 MPG now, that does sound better



Layton