Support EZ Expo

[djvennix]

Being on a few lists on EZ I suport them in this case.

In my opinion you should go after the sites that take the money and then shut down.

[MatrixWatch]

If you or anyone you know has given money to a matrix site that has shut down and run off without giving refunds, there is a possibility that you can legally get your money back. You will need to contact Jeffrey Wilens, Esq. to find out the details: Wilens@cox.net

[New Matrix]

SUPPORT EZEXPO?!?!?!?!?!??! ARE YOU JOKING????????????????? how can they possibly cycle people when there are over 1200 names on the plasma list and each one needs 50 more to cycle. EZexpo is a joke! There is no way they can cycle that many people, I mean not even if they won the lottery would they cycle everyone. (DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME WITH EZEXPO)

[djvennix]

You have knowledge of the list length and how the system works BEFORE you send them your money.

If you don't want to be involved with it then DONT SEND THEM MONEY!!!

[teenwolf]

I would have to agree with djvennix here--you can look at the length of the lists to determine if it is a good decision or not. If we only made decisions through hindsight then things would be awfully easy. With this type of stuff you win some and lose some. Most of the places have refunds within a couple of days, and some even guarantee cycling within 6 months. You've just got to look at all of the variables and make a good decision.

[blademaster]

that tells what kind of a****le you are "you have knowledge of list length" does that make it right that you are screwing hundres/thousands of people out of their money? Taking advantage of the weak minded are we? Its like hanging a juicy steak in a homeless persons face and telling him he has to do sexual favors to get it. What an a****le you are shallow if you think this practice is okay. God will decide what to do with you.

[MatrixWatch]

Blade,
Thanks for sharing your opinons. I want you to cool it with the language. I see you are upset, but there are more creative ways to express your anger. How about filing a few reports with the BBB and the FTC, contacting the Attorney General, and trying to get the government to come down on the pay companies that support these sites. These are a few suggestions. Matrix Watch could really use your energy.
Thanks,
Watch Dog

[blademaster]

Yes,
I admit i got a bit overzealous there. I apologize for the language. And for the record i want to state that i am not a disgruntled matrix site user. In fact i have only joined one $50 matrix for a $15 buy in. At the rate of people joining it will take about a year or so to get my money but thats based upon assumptions that the lists fill up which they won't but anyway it was only $15. I have since done a lot of research on these sites and have done an about face on opening one myself just because of the fact of how many people will ineviably lose their money. I could not live with upsetting so many people to make a quick buck. These people are greedy opportunists taking advantage of 10's of thousands of people and they justify it with statements like "well you know how many people are on the list when you sign up" That will not protect you in court. They are going to look at you like you just robbed an old lady's pocketbook. You better take that "hard earned money" you got from the matrix sites and either hire a lawyer or leave the country. I heard you can get real estate cheap in iraq right now.

[MaxPower]

Right on djvennix! Go EZexpo! And lets also show some love for our local crack dealers and neighborhood theifs... might as well as long as were supporting criminals!:rolleyes:

[hurley9192]

If anyone does the math, what happens when this ends? Is it going to continue forever? If so, the list grows exponentially everytime someone cycles. Only 2% or 5% of the people ever get anything. Great, you got something, that means that 19 or 48 people had to pay for you to get that and by now, those people won't receive anything because the lists are so big. In a year, this thing will die out or will just end and you won't get anything anyways.

[blademaster]

You are right on target. The owners of these matrix sites know that as well however they have no regard for how their customers feel. They are in it to make quick money. I believe they are deceitful and deserve to be put in jail or face huge fines on top of paying back all of their customers who will not receive anything.

I believe the matrix sites days are numbered.

[monteman11]

First why is anyone even here if they are not involved with EZ Expo. You HAVE absolutely no business telling ME what to do with my money. It is a free country. Be a back seat anti-ez expo fanatic somewhere else. Everyone that joined knew the rules and they didnt it is like signing a contract without reading the fine print

And also dont call anyone criminals because until proven noone is a criminal. Get a Life

[MatrixWatch]

Monteman is correct about calling them criminals. You may only call them criminals if they were charged with a crime. Calling them a criminal before the fact is considered "libel" (written slander). However, he did preface his accusations with "I believe", which could change that.

As far as your other statements are concerned, you might want to read the new thread "What do you exspect..". We talk about "customers knowing what they are getting into" within that discussion.

Now, your statement about our free country does reflect the spirit of our great land, but I think the way you unite a free country and being able to do whatever you want is a little naive. If you make over $200,000 a year, or have a net worth of over $1 million, then you are free to invest in certain venture capital opportunities. If you do not meet those requirements then the SEC says that you committ a crime by investing in those same opportunities. Thus, the government is telling you what you can and cannot do with your money, and they do it all the time. They even tell you what you have to do with your money every tax season. Remember all those businesses that were giving money to terrorist networks overseas last year? Those businesses were shut down for putting their money into the hands of people that the government told them not to. So, your "I'll do whatever I want" attitude is a little naive when you consider what is really happening.

One political philosopher said that the best way to determine the appropriate role the government shoud take in our every-day lives is to start with the thought of what it would be like with no governement at all--- Anarchy. In an anarchy I am free to do as I wish. I can kill, steal, and swindle. For society then to function I must give up certain rights that I have for the good of the whole. I am free to kill another person when I hate him, but I lay down my right to kill when I want to be involved in our society. Now, people find it difficult to know everything about an investment before they get into it. The SEC strives to prevent "Enrons" from happening so that consumers and investors are protected. So, the burden does not lie on the backs of the matrix customers, it lies on the backs of the site owners (who must make sure their operation is legal), and the government (who makes sure illegal operations are short lived at best and don't operate very long). Oftentimes the Government will act when a situation is brought to their attention. This is the goal of Matrix Watch. In fact, I just received a letter in the mail today from the CA Attorney General. It appears that we have his attention.

[monteman11]

I am not naive. The instances you stated are not valid. That is like saying the federal governemtn does not allow you to buy a 70,000 hummer if you make only 50,000 a year. People can spend there money anyway they want. (They do have to pay taxes I agree but that is off of base) People still gamble and bet right. Noone tells you how much you can bet. Everyone involved knew this was a risk and if you didnt it is like reading a contract while ignoring the fine print and signing your life away. There is nothing you can do. This was not in fine print but well stated on the FAQ page

[MatrixWatch]

You completely ignored everything I said.

[MaxPower]

Right on watchdog! What was the letter about? Maybe soon enough there will be a little segment on Dateline or 60 minutes about the whole matrix scene. It really should be... hey, its already caught the attention of cable TV's "screen savers." I think that this appearance by Damion will be benificial to our side, due to the fact that he is no longer a Shelby enthusiest.

[monteman11]

I did ignore most og it. Ez expo and terrosists are not on the same page man. You seem to have little knowledge of what is RELEVANT and what is not. Your tangent is completely off base. You once again are taking to skew the idea and trying to post intelligent things that may fool some. I guess you are the fool. (As bobby calls Shelby) in this case. That name calling is 10th grade and you trying to astray me shows how much of a cse you have.

[monteman11]

Max-power why such a cheerleader i rarely see you post anything worthwhile. Whats up with that???

[MaxPower]

Monteman11 I'm such a "cheerleader" because what we are doing here is right. Shelby broke the law. The biggest thing for me is the fact that he will not give refunds to those to whom had a contract with ezexpo that stated they were enttitled to them.

Who said anything about terrorists? I do believe that Shelby is in the same class as neighborhood crooks a drug dealers. He has taken alot of money from hard working people. I also notice how you have run away from my posts on Damions forum. I do not post too many "worthwhile" posts here anymore due to the fact that Watchdog and Arzel have really stepped their game up in the past few days.

You are the one with no worthwhile posts, all you can do is insult and mislead... I can do that too (and I do insult every now and then). However, now I do not need too; as the EZexpo supporters basically insult theimselves with their own posts. There few few arguments that holds any real validity.

[monteman11]

I ran away from nothing go check. Not trying to say anything but Watrch Dog made the comparison. Your comparison is off base as well. Youa er not doing anything right. You cant even prove the law is broken. Dont get to cocky with the name calling. It might bite you some day. Ever heard of slander. I really wish you guys would it down and get some legal knowledge behind you. You post false data. That is my opinion and the opinion of obviously more EZ expo members than members fighting EZ expo. Your crusade will sink at the end

[peterdragin]

No I think it was way over his head !!

Passed him right by.

[MatrixWatch]

He mentioned "terrorists" because of what I said in another post above. I was using the example of people in America being told what they can and cannot do with their money. It was not used as an analogy as he says it was.

[monteman11]

You people kill me. Do you ever read before you post????
You make it seem like your a hero when your not. Come On Boys I understand your mad. I bought in before and after the reFund issue and have received nothing with over 1000 invested. I am not here to make frinds or enemies. I just want both sides to speak the truth. You people are the only ones that answer, but your answers have faults. Just speak the truth. Dont slander people until they are proven wrong. Just think what you will look like at the end when you lose or ill even give you if you lose. And dont try to disillusion people with false data. We all know that even if you did win that almost noone will get there money back. False hopes to people who dont have the money to spend are just as bad as what you say EZ expo has done. I know you dont care what i think. I just wish everyone could do this in the correct manner and not lie and cheat and try to win over people falsely. I have a feeling most of you know little about the law. Dont say things you cant back up.

[MatrixWatch]

This is a portion of the thread I asked you to read. Most of your comments and questions are mentioned there.

Mr. "Skeptical" is not familiar with California's Unfair Competition Law, Business and Professions Code section 17200. It allows anyone involved in unlawful conduct, including aiding and abetting it, to be compelled to make full restitution to anyone who paid money

[monteman11]

Watch Dog i am not stupid, hidden words like terrosits and supporting them along with EZ expo tries to grab at the readers heart. You knew that when you posted it. I commend you for trying to slip that in because you know it is a touchy issue. Maybe i have underestimated you, but then you go and say the darndest things. Wow you boggle me mind, right along with that statement from your Attorney. Hope he can do better than that or you get some help from the Attorney General. I see you never posted what the letter said. Must have not been good or you surely would have posted it. It just makes the effect that you got a letter from him but really could mean nothing??? Wow Bravo I am just glad to be able to see it and post so all can see it as it really is. False Hope

[monteman11]

I might just have to look that up to see the whole thing instead of just parts of it. That is another instance of posting part of something and not the whole thing. Bravo at trying to fool people. I probably works to a point

[MaxPower]

monteman11:

Before you use a term such as "slander," learn what it is about. To slander somebody, it must be untrue. These are also opinions, what I believe will soon be proven as facts. I would in your terms "slander" you but it is not worth the effort. I do not see you posts in the same league as others. Your arguments do not even strike me as being in the same level as Shelby's. No, it will never bite me... the only thing that is going to bite anyone is the fact that we put money into EZexpo. Ever read what Shelby calls his customers? I'm pretty sure you stated on Damions forum that you were interested because you were close to cycling. Good luck getting your "prize." Come up with a decent argument or just move on.

[monteman11]

Max Power once again false info Iam not even near cycling. You guys really like to strecth the truth and make it work for you. You have no proof (conviction) of what your are saying yet. A court might find if the lawsuit is won by Tim that you were right. When he loses you were wrong. You are not using it as an opinion. You did not say that he may be a criminal or I think. You put it as he is. You guys are great and trying to influence people. Maybe you should be salesman. I am not buying the pitch. I am just glad I am here to call your bluff. Oh and my question to you is If you would happen to unlikely win. Who gets the money just those who filed??? Ponder that You cant say everyone because there is not enough money. Who comes first???? I want to see what you say when i would be able to receive my money before you, if it happended.

[MaxPower]

Hey Watchdog... just noticed on the new EZ forum that they said they have removed your name, and plan to remove all the names of all your supporters. Is this also illegal? When the spots on the matrix were purchased, we were promised spots on the matrix and would recieve gifts when they cycled? I do not think the clause that said "we reserve the right to remove names from the matrix" was there back in Jan. or Feb., therefore, it would not apply to pre-existing customers. If or when they remove any names... won't it just be another dagger in their arm?

[monteman11]

That would be stupid on there part. I agree with that. There is something that we both agree on. I do have a legitimate question. Since the Refunds were promised by Damion and since he has control of the paysytems account, and since he made money of off EZ, Isnt that on him???? Just curious. Idiotic answers need not apply

[MatrixWatch]

Max,
They removed my name a few weeks ago. Personally, I don't care. If you put my name on every list of theirs tomorrow I would get the same prize I am getting now-- Nothing. Their lists are mathematically impossible. What I find interesting is that they are now finding unique reasons to shorten their lists. If you support the lawsuit, they take your name off a list. If you speak against Shelby, you get your name taken off a list. Now, they are launching two new matrix sites and are moving names over to those new lists without offering refunds. If you don't like it, guess what they do?

[peterdragin]

This is just my opinion on what's happened.

When ezexpo was new and all that money came rolling in, Damion went overboard on buying himself Toys and such, taking vacations, and Shelby did the same when he took over. Now when everything was screwed up by Paysystems, and even if and when they get the ALL money unfrozen there is not enough to pay for gifts. They made their bed and now are paying the price...

Ezexpo is going down the dumper and nothing can be done to save it.

The few if any that sign up are not going to make any difference, It's sill going down. I think they honestly though it would go on forever and they could get the money from futue sign ups. Collect from Peter to pay Paul.
A PONZI Scam !!! Collapses under the sheer numbers..

[MaxPower]

monteman11

That is the exact point that frustraits me. Yes, those who signed up in the Damion era are still entitled to a refund. But not from Damion... From Shelby! And if it is true... the new INC. When Shelby purchased the site from Damion, he also purchased all of Damions obligations. Damion may have a little legal liability in this suit, but the majoriity falls on Shelby.
I think when Damion created the site, he did not know it was illegal and had good intentions. The opposite is true for Shelby, as soon as he took over the site, he changed to no refunds, and I am pretty sure added "the right to remove names from the lists." I signed up to EZexpo based on the no risk policy that offered 100% refunds. But when that policy was revoked, it suddenly became a much darker and unwelcoming site. As soon as the policy was changed... I stopped buying onto the matrixes.

Glad to see a good post from you monteman11. I have a question for you though... Did you buy "e-books" or did you buy a spot on the matrix?

P.S. can anyone give more information on these new websites or matrixes that watchdog is talking about?

[monteman11]

I hate to burst your bubble but everyone knew it was a legal way to get aroung buying a spot and it is legal. You can sell toohpicks for 2 dollars and give a free beer. I bought e-books with the bonus of getting a spot. But i knew i might possibly get nothing. Ownership changes are hairy. I understand what you are saying but i think there are other points about it as well

[peterdragin]

Ya but tooth picks are worth 2 dollars, the ebooks are worthless!

You have to go and download the ebooks from a web page somewhere, but the tooth picks must be shipped to you. It's a real product you are buying . Something that is usefull, ebooks have no use at all.

You can go almost anywhere on the net and get them for free.
So the ebooks are worthless and this is what makes it a Ponzi Scam.

Did you go and download your ebooks ??????? I bet not !! because you know they are worthless....