GotMatrix.com History

[MatrixWatch]

So, what is the story of Got Matrix? How long have they been around and what do they do differently? Are they as successful as theiMatrix.com? I was intrigued by a statement on their "About Us" page:

From http://www.gotmatrix.com/shop/customer/about.php

About Us!
First and foremost, our matrices are not MLM schemes. We provide a simple formula for you to follow so you can see exactly when you will receive your FREE product.

We handle our company with a hands on approach. We are updating our rankings on a daily basis and constantly promoting our site through several marketing techniques to attract more and more people to join. We are currently receiving several thousand unique visitors to our site each day!

First, how is gotmatrix able to calculate EXACTLY when a customer receives their product? I looked on their forums and the gotmatrix admin told a customer that he would have to wait about 3 months.

Second, how do they receive "thousands of unique visitors each day"? Now, here at MatrixWatch.org we receive a decent amount of traffic. Since our launch in late may, we have run up about 240,000 page views, we have around 75 other sites linking to us, and we receive around 600 unique URL's per month, of which ~120 are very active. We have several daily posts on our forums, and new members join every day, and currently we are at 309 members. As good or average as that may be, how is it that gotmatrix.com has THOUSANDS of visitors EVERY DAY? They must be including the search-engine spiders.

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[concerned]

I don't know either, but here is a quote from MatrixAgency.com. This is in their profile. It tells when they started.

GotMatrix.com was started in March, 2003. From that day things have grown & grown. We are now one of the largest operating matrix sites on the internet. With over 1000+ registered customers & several thousand unique visitors daily we ask you Why Pay Retail? Buy one of our packages and sit back, relax, and watch your progression. Within a short time frame you'll be enjoying your new gifts at a fraction of the retail price!

Let me see if I understand this correctly. If they have several thousand UNIQUE visitors per DAY, then how come they ONLY have 1000+ registered customers?

Let's just say that they have 1000 unique visitors per day. (They say several thousand per day, so the actual number would be more.) That would mean that if they started in March, they would have had 120,000 unique visits. If that is the case, then getting less than 1% of their visitors to register is hardly worth bragging about.

I already know what some of you would be thinking. Well, some people can come one time a day, and would count towards the thousands of unique visitors per day.

OK, now if they have 1000+ customers, then wouldn't they be visiting the site every day, or at lease a few times a week to see how they are doing? That would be the 1000 unique visitors per day. In that case, there would be NO new traffic, and NO new customers to help the others cycle.

[Got Matrix]

OKay since this is my site I thought I'd chime in since this post was brought to my attention. You are correct in assuming that we do not have 1000+ daily unique NEW visitors. We have 1000+ customers that check back regularly and we are currently averaging 15+ NEW registered members daily. If you want an exact # of new unique visitors daily I would estimate 30-100. So why have you decided to pick on my site? It seems as though my site is the site of the week for you to pick on. We're not conducting any illegal business as fellow matrix site owners have in the past & still are, we're actually trying to perfect the matrix system & many people benefit from it daily. I know that WatchDog is aware that I'm a cofounder of MatrixAgency.com which is also trying to help weed out the sites performing illegal business practices.

[concerned]

Originally posted by Got Matrix
OKay since this is my site I thought I'd chime in since this post was brought to my attention. You are correct in assuming that we do not have 1000+ daily unique NEW visitors. We have 1000+ customers that check back regularly and we are currently averaging 15+ NEW registered members daily. If you want an exact # of new unique visitors daily I would estimate 30-100. So why have you decided to pick on my site? It seems as though my site is the site of the week for you to pick on. We're not conducting any illegal business as fellow matrix site owners have in the past & still are, we're actually trying to perfect the matrix system & many people benefit from it daily. I know that WatchDog is aware that I'm a cofounder of MatrixAgency.com which is also trying to help weed out the sites performing illegal business practices.

Well, since you mention it, and you are BRAGGING about your statistics, why don't you publish your site stats on your website. A few graphs would be nice. Also, why are your matrix lists hidden behind a password? Do you have something to hide? If I were a customer of these types of things, I would want to see where I would be in the line before I made a purchase, especially when you have similar items. If there was 20 people in line for the Alienware laptop, and 200 in line for the sony one, I would like to know this so that I could purchase the one with a smaller line.

It is hard to believe that you would even WANT to associate yourself with MatrixAgency.com. Don't you know what a CONFLICT OF INTEREST you are creating for yourself? You should read this thread and respond if you feel it is appropriate.

http://www.matrixwatch.org/forums/showthread.php?postid=4503#post4503

I think there is 1 MAJOR flaw in your attempt to "weed out the sites performing illegal business practices". The flaw is that the MATRIX CONCEPT is an ILLEGAL BUSINESS PRACTICE!!! If you really wanted to make MatrixAgency a legitimate Agency, you should either turn it over to the FBI/FTC, or at least have them as affiliates with your Agency.

[poorme]

We have 1000+ customers that check back regularly and we are currently averaging 15+ NEW registered members daily. If you want an exact # of new unique visitors daily I would estimate 30-100.

How long is this gonna last?

[MatrixWatch]

Originally posted by Got Matrix
We're not conducting any illegal business as fellow matrix site owners have in the past & still are, we're actually trying to perfect the matrix system & many people benefit from it daily. I know that WatchDog is aware that I'm a cofounder of MatrixAgency.com which is also trying to help weed out the sites performing illegal business practices.

GotMatrix,
I actually respect your efforts over at matrix agency. You stance is a little more liberal than mine on where we draw the line, but I appreciate the fact that you are there for the customers.

I really do have an honest question to ask. You said that you are not conducting any illegal business practices. Would you mind explaining that a little more? What do you mean by illegal? By Matrix Agency's standards, your state's standards, or federal standards? I would like to know.


btw, here is the link for Matrix Watch's view stats: http://www.matrixwatch.org/modules.php?s=&name=Statistics&op=Stats

[concerned]

Originally posted by Got Matrix
We have 1000+ customers that check back regularly and we are currently averaging 15+ NEW registered members daily. If you want an exact # of new unique visitors daily I would estimate 30-100.

poorme brings up a good point. In response, I DO want an exact #. But your EXACT # is an ESTIMATE. Isn't that an OXYMORON?

[Got Matrix]

Well I cannot post an exact # whereas anyone knows daily traffic ranges, hence the estimate. As far as Watchdog's question as far as why I consider GotMatrix.com's business practices completely legal under Federal & Local laws is simply because we're selling tangible products. We actually ship orders out to our customers, yes the matrix entry is the promotional offer for their purchase, and helps to sell our products but it's not our sole business. The matrix system has not been deemed illegal, a pyramid scheme, or a ponzi scheme. The lawsuit is still being decided and I believe that EzExpo will win the lawsuit. There is nothing illegal about selling eBooks on the internet with a promotional gift. Yes, if we specifically sold spots on the matrix that would be deemed a ponzi scheme and highly illegal, but that is not our business practices. As far as conflict of interest in aiding in the Matrix Agency I don't see any. Once again matrices are not illegal, and have not been found illegal to this day. If the day comes that they are deemed illegal or we find businesses with bad practices we will report them to the authorities as would WatchDog. We just want to help customers from getting ripped off at flybynight sites, and I think that should be Watchdog's outlook also. You guys are very one sided, and blinded to the fact that it hasn't been deemed illegal. You should start watching out for the sites that scam people and close shop, and helping them to get refunds. That is what we're doing at the Matrix Agency. If a site is performing legitimate business then why bother with them? Nothing can be done and you're wasting your precious time.

[MatrixWatch]

He has obviously not researched what our claims are. Greg, you seem like a pretty good guy, and all we want is for you to respond to a few of the issues we have brought up.

Several customers have come here to Matrix Watch because we help them handle the problems they run into with the scam sites. Several complaints and lawsuits have been filed, the scammer sites have been listed in the lawsuits against PayPal, Ginix, etc. and attornies are presently working out a plan for restitution.

From what we have seen, the more people who sign up for a matrix site, the more difficult it is for an owner to have an exit strategy. Thus, we are also here to inform owners with what to do when things get difficult.

Matrix Watch is about connecting customers and matrix owners with the people who can help them out.

[Got Matrix]

watchdog,

If you can convince me of your practices otherwise please do so. I would really like it if you can convince me that what you do here at MatrixWatch.org is at all helping out customers, potential customers, or site owners. I don't see how you're doing anything except trying to make it impossible for sites to gain traffic by badgering the system.

[Got Matrix]

concerned,

Why have you turned this thread from a gotmatrix bashing thread into a matrixagency bashing thread? Why are you hijacking this thread? Why isn't Watchdog doing anything about it?

Please review the following thread about hijacking threads posted by watchdog himself:

http://www.matrixwatch.org/forums/showthread.php?threadid=293

I'd like for this to stay on topic whereas I'd really like to know why MatrixWatch has something against my site? Is it because we're successful? Is it because we're the largest site out there currently? Is it because we've proven that the system works? Also you say that I'm bragging about my traffic statistics, I wouldn't brag about that, if anyone should brag it's Yahoo!, MSN, eBay, etc. Until I reach #s like that I have nothing to brag about. Our site keeps getting more unique visitors daily, but they're just a fraction of the potential customers we will reach in the future to come.

[concerned]

Originally posted by Got Matrix
Well I cannot post an exact # whereas anyone knows daily traffic ranges, hence the estimate.

Yes you can give me exact numbers. You can tell me the EXACT number that visited yesterday. Hence my request for your site statistics.

As far as Watchdog's question as far as why I consider GotMatrix.com's business practices completely legal under Federal & Local laws is simply because we're selling tangible products. We actually ship orders out to our customers, yes the matrix entry is the promotional offer for their purchase, and helps to sell our products but it's not our sole business.

Is this based on ACTUAL laws, or INTERPRETATION of current laws?

The matrix system has not been deemed illegal, a pyramid scheme, or a ponzi scheme. The lawsuit is still being decided and I believe that EzExpo will win the lawsuit. There is nothing illegal about selling eBooks on the internet with a promotional gift. Yes, if we specifically sold spots on the matrix that would be deemed a ponzi scheme and highly illegal, but that is not our business practices.

Actually, government officials in some states have already stated that they are illegal. Read this thread from a former matrix owner.

http://www.matrixwatch.org/forums/showthread.php?threadid=343

In addition, I have never seen in ANY laws where it says "as long as you sell something, then it is LEGAL". In fact there are several cases where pyramid schemes were selling something as a front. Women Gifting Women sold dinners. In fact, the ORIGINAL Ponzi scheme was started by Charles Ponzi. He SOLD stamps.

Please see these threads for more information.

http://www.matrixwatch.org/forums/showthread.php?threadid=408

In this thread, one of your agents at MatrixAgency admits that selling ebooks is a front for the matrices.
http://www.matrixwatch.org/forums/showthread.php?threadid=385

As far as conflict of interest in aiding in the Matrix Agency I don't see any.

Read this thread about conflict of interest.

http://www.matrixwatch.org/forums/showthread.php?threadid=420

The fact that you are an OWNER and an INVESTIGATOR is a conflict of interest already. YOU are allowed to INVESTIGATE your competition. YOU can deny anyone you think is a competitor. You are also selling advertising on MatrixAgency in order to make money to buy spots on matrix sites that are VERIFIED. That means there will be more sales for those VERIFIED sites, and we all know that YOUR site will ALWAYS qualify for those sales, thus, more profit. In the end, no matter what kind of complaints are filed against YOUR site, I'm SURE that they won't have the same treatment as complaints against the competition.

There IS the proof of the CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

If you can't see it now, then you are blind. But then again, you are using the same INTERPRETATION about your conflict of interest as you are about the LEGALITY of matrix sites.

[concerned]

Originally posted by watchdog
Nobody say anything in response. He has obviously not researched what our claims are. Just let him have his beliefs. He is already convinced in his own mind. I think we should let him move forward in his ignorance and take whatever penalties that may be incurred for his site upon himself.

I think you are right. I had started my response before you posted this, so it will be my last about this subject for now. I'll place my next post here when they CLOSE their site!

[Got Matrix]

Being a site owner I understand you thinking that I will have a biased outlook at Matrix Agency. However, I will not be promoting my site or any other through that site. My site is ineligible for the advertising profits, and I'm not making any profit off of the site to begin with. As far as "denying" sites that are competition to me I haven't done so to this date and have no plans to do so. You speak as though you think I have the sole decision of whether a site gets verified or denied, well I don't. That is why we have a board of members, owners, investors & everyday common folk.

You ask if it's based on ACTUAL law or INTERPRETATION of CURRENT Laws, well I'm basing my outlook on my attorneys interpretation of Ohio & Federal laws which govern Pyramid & Ponzi Schemes.

Why do I have to prove my traffic statistics to you? Do you feel that you are a governing power over matrix sites? You have no more control over matrix sites than anyone else out there. If you must know then I did 15.4 GB of data transfer last month. That should be all the information you need.

[hurley9192]

I'd say that if you want to find out if you are legit or not, you need to ask this question...

If my site closes and everyone has received what they actually paid for (i.e. the tangible item), then there shouldn't be anyone complaining that they didn't get what they paid for.

If Subway closed, I wouldn't try to file a complaint that I didn't get the 6 inch sub I was working towards with my stamps.

However, if gotmatrix.com closed, would you have people complaining that they didn't get what they paid in for?

If you wouldn't have any complainers, then you're probably on the legal side, but if you would have a reasonable amount of complainers, this shows that your site was about the prizes and was truly a pyramid scheme.

That's pretty much how I'd argue it in court as an expert.

[mikv]

There are few issues Greg has brought up that I think should be clarified to him as well as anybody reading this thread about his site, but I'll hold my post to see if this thread goes any further. I have watched the progress of GOT since it opened and the picture Greg paints is one of success, but the story to go with the picture is very conflicting.

[concerned]

Interesting observation mikv. I would like to hear your thoughts about that, especially after I just read a thread at matrixagency forum. There is a heated exchange going on with a couple of GotMatrix customers. 1 customer is complaining about the password sites, and another said that they were considering buying a spot and decided against it because of the way Greg answered the first customer.

I am interested to see how MatrixAgency handles it since the complaints are about GotMatrix, which is part owner of Matrix Agency.


Here is the link to that thread.


http://www.matrixagency.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=74&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

[peterdragin]

How honest is a person who will not let customers look at the lists untill AFTER they pay the money.

This is in my opnion is an unfair business practice. You can not see what you are buying untill you buy it, now would you buy a product without seeing it, I don't think so.

You in ohio I thought you were in Ahoskie North Carolina .. !

[tootiredtosleep]

just for the record.....

aren't you buying ebooks on that site and NOT spots in a list? what's all this talk about buying spots or purchasing an item you get in line for? this site sells ebooks doesn't it? if a customer buys ebooks who cares if the lists are password protected. right??? hmmmm...........

[peterdragin]

Just for the record.

I don't think ANYBODY buys the E-book, they are buying a spot on a list for the gift.

Nothing else since EVERYBODY knows the e-books are worthless.

[Agent|Star]

Originally posted by concerned
I am interested to see how MatrixAgency handles it since the complaints are about GotMatrix, which is part owner of Matrix Agency.


Here is the link to that thread.


http://www.matrixagency.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=74&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0


I dont knnow how many times it has to be said. We dont witch hunt. We don't go after sites that are talked about in forums. Formal complaints need to be filed for MatrixAgency to take any part in it. If you read that thread it is stated within that. Btw, nice to see you concerned =o)

[concerned]

Originally posted by tootiredtosleep
just for the record.....

aren't you buying ebooks on that site and NOT spots in a list? what's all this talk about buying spots or purchasing an item you get in line for? this site sells ebooks doesn't it? if a customer buys ebooks who cares if the lists are password protected. right??? hmmmm...........

If you are buying ebooks, why can't you chose which ebook you want. Why not do a search on the internet for ebooks and get them for free? They are definately buying spots in the matrix.

[matricesarebad]

I am new to this forum and mainly all I hear is how terrible matrices are but I am not hearing why? I mean yes you all have the same reasons and you all say them every day but did you all get screwed out of money? What sites did it to you?
Do you help people see the good and bad matrices out there or is everyone here just to gripe about them?
I am wondering also what if an owner sold a product at retail price and then offered the free gift would that be illegal?
I mean businesses get stuff below cost all the time why not use those products and take the profit from the sale to put people in the matrices.
Also if someone made let's say their own software or video game. They could set the price at whatever they wanted it to be for retail then sell that for pure profit. If someone is going to the site with the intention to buy the software or the game then realize the free gift what could be wrong with that

thanks for listening and please respond

[peterdragin]

But these business (matrix sites) don't get anything wholesale they go to best buy and buy them there. Then they sent them to who ever has cycled.

If they sold a product at retail and gave a free gift NOBODY would sign up for the lists, and they would not make any money.

I don't know if you know how a matrix site works but everyone who signs up for a list, but only 2% will EVER recive a "gift".

The more that sign up the more peole have to sign up before the next person gets a "gift" The numbers just explode at such a rate it will never end untill the site goes out of business.

10 person Matrix == 10 people to sign up and number 1 gets a gift, but take the number 10 person, and it takes 100 people to sign up before number 10 gets his "gift", take number 100, it takes another 1,000 people to sign up before number 100 gets his "gift".

[matricesarebad]

your not understanding what I said let's say a matrix owner could get a great deal on a product to sell then sell it at retail (which people would buy that's the point of retail) then add the name on the free gift list would that be illegal

[MatrixWatch]

Originally posted by matricesarebad
I am wondering also what if an owner sold a product at retail price and then offered the free gift would that be illegal?

Welcome to the site. The reason you don't see as many arguments here anymore is because we have had long, 3-4 day sessions, and they are all archived in our forums. We debated everything under the sun, and we answered your question as well. Your question is actually VERY clearly answered in the lawsuit and in the second MSNBC article.

Here is the bottom line. We have debated like crazy, but who is the government shutting down in a several states? Whose arguments have turned out to be true when the eBay seller REALLY turns out to be a scammer, or the site closes afterall. We are always giving the site owners an "I told you so", yet we still find that they stick by their old, outdated, and refuted arguments. The best argument I had on one of the threads was, "I'll look into it and refute you in a few days". They never came back.

[Got Matrix]

So Richard Imhoff wants GotMatrix.com shutdown for having password protected list even though he's not a member of our site. I appreciate your complaint Richard and we will settle this matter appropriately. However I do not appreciate you taking this issue up with the Attorney General's office before consulting with myself first. Perhaps this is the reason that most sites use fake whois information, but we at GotMatrix.com would rather face the situation and handle it appropriately.

[concerned]

Originally posted by Got Matrix
So Richard Imhoff wants GotMatrix.com shutdown for having password protected list even though he's not a member of our site. I appreciate your complaint Richard and we will settle this matter appropriately. However I do not appreciate you taking this issue up with the Attorney General's office before consulting with myself first. Perhaps this is the reason that most sites use fake whois information, but we at GotMatrix.com would rather face the situation and handle it appropriately.

Did he post a formal complaint at Matrix Agency? If so, then why isn't the complaint posted under Got Matrix's status page? I thought ALL complaints were supposed to be handled and posted at the Matrix Agency, no questions asked. Why did you have special treatment by not having that complaint posted under your profile?

[Got Matrix]

This complaint was not even sent to me or Matrix Agency, straight to the Attorney General. I'm sure it's someone here at MatrixWatch.org.

[concerned]

Why do you automatically assume that. I think it was THE DARK SIDE that was making posts at the Matrix Agency forum that was the most concerned with the whole password issue. I haven't seen THE DARK SIDE pop into here, have you?

[Got Matrix]

No I have not, but I'm assuming because isn't that your purpose here at MatrixWatch.org? Simply to close down all matrix sites?

[concerned]

Originally posted by Got Matrix
No I have not, but I'm assuming because isn't that your purpose here at MatrixWatch.org? Simply to close down all matrix sites?

I can't speak for anyone else here but myself, but I post on this forum to educate others about how the matrix system is DESIGNED to scam people out of money. I have never gone after sites. I may have posted information that owners have never wanted to see, but it is all so that the customers will see the truth. Others might do something different, but don't you think if it was someone here that reported you, that they would use a better reason than the password protected lists? You would think they would report you based on the fact that you run a pyramid scheme.

[Got Matrix]

I never accused you personally, but I'm sure someone who watches this thread was the person who filed the complaint. Perhaps it was DARK SIDE, who knows. I'm not worried about it the matter has already been settled and the attorney general has no qualms about my sites operation.

[concerned]

Originally posted by Got Matrix
I never accused you personally, but I'm sure someone who watches this thread was the person who filed the complaint. Perhaps it was DARK SIDE, who knows. I'm not worried about it the matter has already been settled and the attorney general has no qualms about my sites operation.

I know you never accused me. But I am wondering this, if you have already taken care of this with the AG, then why did you feel the need to come in here to tell us your story in the first place?

[hurley9192]

matricesarebad, there have never been too many good arguments for the pro-matrix side. they usually say that they are out to help everyone else get cheap electronics. However, they get them at the expense of all the people that don't cycle. The reason these sites are even remotely successful is because they sell a product that is worthless and then put you in line. People only buy from their site because they are getting something for a tenth or less of the actual retail price.

To use your example...if I was to buy retail at Circuit City and then get entered into a matrix, they could probably do it, but it's then based on an illegal lottery issue, which is detailed in the lawsuit.

[concerned]

Originally posted by Got Matrix
I never accused you personally, but I'm sure someone who watches this thread was the person who filed the complaint. Perhaps it was DARK SIDE, who knows. I'm not worried about it the matter has already been settled and the attorney general has no qualms about my sites operation.

I was thinking about this, and if someone was watching any threads here, they wouldn't have gotten much information about your site having password protected sites. All of that information was posted at Matrix Agency's forum. If I were you, then I would complain to them, as it was that forum that the person that reported you probably read. OOPS, wait a minute, you own Matrix Agency. Why would you complain to yourself? Do you think that maybe it was information on you own site that lead to you being reported? That sure would be funny.

I am still wondering if you could answer the question I had before. Why did you come in here and bring this story to us?

[hurley9192]

gotmatrix...what makes your site a good site and other sites bad ones? Do you have an established set of rules that you follow that other sites don't?

[Agent|Star]

Originally posted by concerned
I was thinking about this.



OOPS you were thinking?

[Agent|Star]

Originally posted by concerned
Did he post a formal complaint at Matrix Agency? If so, then why isn't the complaint posted under Got Matrix's status page? I thought ALL complaints were supposed to be handled and posted at the Matrix Agency, no questions asked. Why did you have special treatment by not having that complaint posted under your profile?


Here we go... There was no complaint filed with MatrixAgency so of course you wont see it on our site. CONCERNED I will say this again for you... All complaints are treated the same with MatrixAgency. We are not runed by GotMatrix or any other site alone... It is operated by AGENTSS!!! Notice the "S".... This group of agents aren't close buddy's! We accept applicants and review them... Anyone can apply to join us...

Please try hard to remember that so we can move on......

[concerned]

Originally posted by BigStarr
OOPS you were thinking?


If we are going to start to resort to insults about me thinking like your previous post, then maybe you should learn how to spell AGENTS. If you look below, I did notice the S. But which one were you refering to. There seems to be 2 in your spelling.

Originally posted by BigStarr
Here we go... There was no complaint filed with MatrixAgency so of course you wont see it on our site. CONCERNED I will say this again for you... All complaints are treated the same with MatrixAgency. We are not runed by GotMatrix or any other site alone... It is operated by AGENTSS!!! Notice the "S".... This group of agents aren't close buddy's! We accept applicants and review them... Anyone can apply to join us...

Please try hard to remember that so we can move on......

Secondly, it is not necessary to reply to one of my comments when someone else has already done that. Why don't you read thru the entire thread before you start to post, so that we don't have to read information that has already been posted by someone else. I think this issue was already taken care of. Maybe if you read everything before posting, then we could "MOVE ON".

[MatrixWatch]

I would like to know what GotMatrix told the Attorney General to convince him that the site was legit.

[Agent|Star]

Originally posted by concerned
Secondly, it is not necessary to reply to one of my comments when someone else has already done that.

Sure it is... This is not the first time I've had to remind you.

[hello]

I just don't get Got Matrix?, I mean, why would anyone want an ebook that you can get for free with a little bit of searching on the Internet? Also, why would anyone want to join any of their lists if all rankings are password protected and you cannot see what your place in line would be. Something is just not right about them.

[sigx97]

o;hkl

[mikv]

The Attorney General was only interested in the password protected rankings. The complaint made was about that and that is as far as the AG went with it. He didn't look any further into the actual business conducted, he just wanted Greg to justify keeping that bit of information from his customers. It is at the request of most of the customers that the rankings be password protected according to Greg so the AG didn't have a problem with it. Also from what Greg says, his Merchant Account DID NOT drop him. It was posted in their forums. He mentioned taking legal action against this site for posting that. So it seems either they did drop them and Greg is trying to keep it hush hush so his customers won't collapse on him, or they didn't and someone is giving Watchdog some bogus info.

[Got Matrix]

I wouldn't keep things hush hush, just try processing a card if you dont' believe me. I contacted my representative at PlugNPay and she stated that processing is live, no complaints being investigated on the account.

[dwin75]

Well I have read many of the posts regarding Got Matrix and I honestly can't believe he has an attorney advocating his business. However if he does and he says he does I'm not going to argue.

Anyway, regardless of whether the matrix practice is legal or illegal, why would anyone who has any bit of knowledge and logic go into it now. It does not matter that it has not been deemed illegal yet, the fact is it is so controversial that that alone is enough to keep most people away.

Besides, I really find that Got Matrix is running a shady business. For one I had emailed them with some questions a while back and had to ask one question 3 times before getting an answer. Furthermore, I really don't like the way the site is setup. When you "shop" the site, it seems like you are shopping for electronics, that is obvious. But of course you have to acknowledge that you are buying eBooks, and that is just stupid. I'm sure this has been said before, but the eBooks are useless and can be found anywhere else.

Furthermore, the whole thing about promoting, why would you promote that? They say promote the site on places like eBay and Sell.com, both of which have a policy against matrix sites. So that said if you were to try to get your friends involved, you'd have to manipulate the information to make it seem like a worthwhile deal, and if you told them truthfully how long they'd have to wait, why would they buy. Come to think of it, the whole matrix concept seems to be about manipulating information.

I'm not bashing the site, just voicing my opinion, that basically the whole concept is flawed. I honestly think that someone would have to be brain washed in order to support it, and that is what the site is feeding off of.