While Success Through Advertising IBAs continue to wait

[surfer]

As the few loyal STA followers
remaining continue to wait and
wait and wait for some semblance
of a decent ROI, I have to wonder
if they have any idea of what
this latest holdup is supposedly
about.

Just what does an ad serving
company do?

As you can see in Wikipedia's
explanation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_serving), it goes far beyond
just serving up random ads.

Anyone who has been paying
even the slightest bit of attention
for the past two years knows
that the only thing Kim Inman
and company are good at running
is a ponzi scam.

Again pretending that Success
Through Advertising is a real
business, this latest "technical
glitch" once again shows the
complete ineptitude of Kim Inman
and Mike Hamilton in a real
business.

Quality leaders in a company
realize the limitations of their
staff and quickly recognize when
projects need to be outsourced.

It's quite obvious that this most
recent failure in an ever increasing
list of Success Through Advertising
failures involved far more than
just "optimizing" servers to handle
the "billions" of impressions that
advertisers are lining up around
the block waiting to purchase from
this unknown ponzi/advertising
company.

It doesn't take months and months
to increase your ability to handle
high bandwith.

If STA was actually doing anything
at all, it would seem the failure
would either once again fall on the
programming side or Kim Inman is
finally to the point where he is
not going to throw any more of
his good stolen money into his
failed ponzi.

Smoke and mirrors. :head:

[Gringo]

Very well put surfer.

Sounds like these "negotiations" with an ad serving company are mostly to stall and for show. Just like their claim that the commission ads that are run on STA now have been negotiated at special rates. Mike has to do something to justify his employment. Wouldn't look good if they just signed up as anyone else off the street could do, although I suspect that most, if not all the ads served on STA are just the standard commission rates offered by the networks.

Kim Inman is
finally to the point where he is
not going to throw any more of
his good stolen money into his
failed ponzi.
I suspect this is the main reason. He and Mike both can see that there is likely no chance of any kind of decent short or long term return for the expense involved by creating their own ad serving technology.:shake:

They only question remaining is whether this will be the final thrust at developing or pretending to develop outside income. Remember all the other plans--focus groups, FastCars, etc.? These other projects require money to develop and he knows there is a good chance that they will fail.

So does he continue putting out the money and continue the smoke and mirrors, or does he think it's safe enough for him to quietly back away?

[Arzel]

I would not be surprised if this is the end. The victims are not likely to accept any more delays, and when the end of September doesn't pan out I could see a large number simply giving up.

I don't think he will quietly back away however. He has spent a great deal of time trying to make his Ponzi look legit, when it goes down he will probably do like normal businesses and file banktrupcy. This would serve two function. One, all the victims would be left with little recourse to get anything back from him. Two, he is able to leave without the monkier of people saying he fled with their money (even though we all know he will).

[coralal]

I would not be surprised if this is the end. The victims are not likely to accept any more delays, and when the end of September doesn't pan out I could see a large number simply giving up.

I don't think he will quietly back away however. He has spent a great deal of time trying to make his Ponzi look legit, when it goes down he will probably do like normal businesses and file banktrupcy. This would serve two function. One, all the victims would be left with little recourse to get anything back from him. Two, he is able to leave without the monkier of people saying he fled with their money (even though we all know he will).





Man where have we heard that before, ( This could be the End ) heck we have been hearing that for two years. Kim and his cheerleaders will keep going on and on and the ones that are not will just fade away into the sunset and write their losses off as a bad dream.

Kim will not file bankrupcy as he is registered in Belize and his money is hidden very well with a very good OFFSHORE Lawryer ( his business Partner ). So Kim will just fade away into the sunset as well with a few extra million he did not have 3 years ago.

I will give him credit, he planned this out well and had the right crew ( Jim ,Nori, Hump, Esto, Mark and Mike ) to really wind this down without getting any Legal action taken against him.

We all know ( As well as Kim and Crew ) that his doubler program ( that came to him in a dream one night lol ) was a complete Ponzi scheme and that is why he changed everything to make it look like legitimate business. So what you are seeing now is a legitimate business struggling and eventually will just close it's doors and Kim will say that it just can not work. Many excuses will be given.

Kim will also tell all the affiliates that remember you bought a product ( Advertising ) and you were never investing in anything.So this way Kim owes you nothing and if you did not use your advertising credits, well that was your problem.

Again I say that Kim is not a stupid person and he has planned this out very well. :flame:

Thanks

[Gringo]

Kim will not file bankrupcy as he is registered in Belize and his money is hidden very well with a very good OFFSHORE Lawryer ( his business Partner ). So Kim will just fade away into the sunset as well with a few extra million he did not have 3 years ago. I have to agree that bankruptcy is unlikely. Bankruptcy is for businesses that have liabilities greater than their assets and lack ability to make payments on loans. First, Kim claims that all the investments were in fact for advertising purchases, which are not refundable, therefore there is no liability. It would open a can of worms to expose this. Secondly, a bankruptcy exposes all assets and liabilities. This is something Kim certainly does not want exposed.

[Arzel]

Unfortunately I dissagree. All of Kims ill-gotten gains would be seperate from YMMSS/STA, and YMMSS/STA would be incorporated leaving Kim free from that as well. YMMSS is most likely almost out of money, and you know Kim isn't going to throw his own money (stolen) back into this scam.

[coralal]

Unfortunately I dissagree. All of Kims ill-gotten gains would be seperate from YMMSS/STA, and YMMSS/STA would be incorporated leaving Kim free from that as well. YMMSS is most likely almost out of money, and you know Kim isn't going to throw his own money (stolen) back into this scam.

I agree with that , I would think that Kim does not have anything he owns from YMMSS or STA in his name at all. He is to smart for that.
That is why the feds could not find anything if they were to start looking.

If you know anything about offshore , everything Kim would have is in numbered accounts and not in his name. Like I said before, he has a very good Offshore attorney that has offices in the States as well as in Belize.:head:

Thanks

[Gringo]

All of Kims ill-gotten gains would be seperate from YMMSS/STA, and YMMSS/STA would be incorporated leaving Kim free from that as well. YMMSS is most likely almost out of money, and you know Kim isn't going to throw his own money (stolen) back into this scam. I agree, but the problem is that in a bankruptcy hearing, creditors could question the millions that have passed through Kims hands and demand a complete accounting of all funds received and spent. Kim certainly doesn't want the IRS, SEC, or general public to know of his money laundering.

Even if the official books show that STA is out of money and loosing money every week, I don't think there is a huge amount of debt racked up at this point. His biggest expense is probably payroll. Salaried people are unlikely to work without being paid so I don't think that there would be a big unpaid liability.

If a business isn't successful but not terribly in debt, they usually just disolve the company, cease operations, and lock the door rather than declare bankruptcy.

I would think that Kim does not have anything he owns from YMMSS or STA in his name at all. He is to smart for that.
Agreed, but it is very common for people going into bankruptcy to try to hide their assets. The courts are wise to this and will disallow asset transfers if exposed. Even if the assets are well hidden, creditors would demand to know the financial details of the operation.

I just can't see Kim putting himself in a situation where he might have to disclose the dirty details of the operation and that is what a bankruptcy hearing could potentially do.

[coralal]

I agree, but the problem is that in a bankruptcy hearing, creditors could question the millions that have passed through Kims hands and demand a complete accounting of all funds received and spent. Kim certainly doesn't want the IRS, SEC, or general public to know of his money laundering.

Even if the official books show that STA is out of money and loosing money every week, I don't think there is a huge amount of debt racked up at this point. His biggest expense is probably payroll. Salaried people are unlikely to work without being paid so I don't think that there would be a big unpaid liability.

If a business isn't successful but not terribly in debt, they usually just disolve the company, cease operations, and lock the door rather than declare bankruptcy.

Agreed, but it is very common for people going into bankruptcy to try to hide their assets. The courts are wise to this and will disallow asset transfers if exposed. Even if the assets are well hidden, creditors would demand to know the financial details of the operation.

I just can't see Kim putting himself in a situation where he might have to disclose the dirty details of the operation and that is what a bankruptcy hearing could potentially do.


I totally agree with you. Kim will not declare bankrupcy, he will just ride off into the sunset on his Clydesdale ( Ordinary Size Horse would not Support Him ) . Kim has a game plan and he is working it to perfection right now.

The only way for anyone to get action against Kim and YMMSS and STA is to report all monies lost , especially when it was the Doubler YMMSS ( Even the diehards have said that it was far from Legal ) and to file with the Autorities in the state of Indianna, where Kim still lives.

So far only about 800K worth has come forward, there is millions more dollars lost out there and many more affiliates. I would think that as of the end of September you will see that rise dramatically if nothing happens in STA.

Thanks

[boatman189]

Unfortunately I dissagree. All of Kims ill-gotten gains would be seperate from YMMSS/STA, and YMMSS/STA would be incorporated leaving Kim free from that as well. YMMSS is most likely almost out of money, and you know Kim isn't going to throw his own money (stolen) back into this scam.

Stolen money has no protection, by any means. Except off course unless you don't get caught... Kims trail is so huge, being on the internet and all, that would seem be unlikely.

He will never file bankruptcy, as this would open him up to sooo many more possiple charges.

[coralal]

Stolen money has no protection, by any means. Except off course unless you don't get caught... Kims trail is so huge, being on the internet and all, that would seem be unlikely.

He will never file bankruptcy, as this would open him up to sooo many more possiple charges.


This is not Stolen money and we can not say that unless we want to have legal action against the person or person saying it was stolen. The money was freely given to YMMSS or STA for advertising as Kim calls it.

I am not sticking up for Kim at all with saying this, but we need to be careful when we phrase a thread response or open a thread.

Thanks

[drankoolaid]

Ahhhh well a rose by any other name is still a rose -

I think I am understanding where you're coming from C

Yes people GAVE Mr Inman their money -- based upon certain
promises 'guarantees' of return -- and we can argue regarding
'the valuable advertising product.'

In reality however the promises and guarantees meant nothing
(duh) -- but not just because they weren't delivered upon BUT
based upon the facts (we believe) -- that Mr Inman was offering up
what constituted an illegal enterprise right from the beginning.

It is ILLEGAL to sell people an investment vehicle --
doubling money while paying out early 'investors'
with money from NEW investors .. (Note: the SEC also has legal
remedies for those selling unregistered and unregulated investments.)

Yes Yes -- there was that 'valuable advertising product' which
gave for some legitimization of the scheme -- however the rules
are clear on 'the product' as well -- the 'product' needs to fulfill certain
requirements in these 'enterprises' (basic MLM law)

In other words the product has to pass the 'sniff test.' WAC's EPC's
just don't fulfill the legal requirement nor do they pass the sniff test.

It could be argued that con men NEVER steal from their victims
because the victims GIVE the con men their money willingly --

Sorry -- that doesn't wash either.

There are clear laws and criminal statutes - civil and criminal
penalties for those who violate these laws.

Best Regards,
Michael

[boatman189]

Yes quite right Michael, Kim Inman does stink and yes the money Kim has is , "STOLEN".....
He has no, "right" to any of it none of it not a penny. His promises have made him and YMMSS bankrupt and criminals. Whom ever he gives money to will have no, " right" to keep it either, except the creditors with whom he STOLE this money from.

The affiliates.

[surfer]

Just like Bryan Marsden, I don't see
Kim Inman shutting down until the
authorities do it.

Both were about 9 months behind
in payments when the Malaysian
authorities finally shut down Marsden.

Also, we really don't know if Success
Through Advertising is a registered
business anywhere.

For the first part of the scam, they
stated they were registered in Belize,
but according to http://www.sta-ads.com/terms.html
they areSuccess Through Advertising, LLC, a Nevis Corporation ("STA")
Changing where they are supposedly
registered as a business is typical
of scams.

It's up to the IBAs to put a stop
to this scam and make Kim Inman
accountable for the millions he has
stolen--yes, when you take money
from people, don't perform as
promised, and refuse to refund that
money, it's stolen.

[coralal]

Just like Bryan Marsden, I don't see
Kim Inman shutting down until the
authorities do it.

Both were about 9 months behind
in payments when the Malaysian
authorities finally shut down Marsden.

Also, we really don't know if Success
Through Advertising is a registered
business anywhere.

For the first part of the scam, they
stated they were registered in Belize,
but according to http://www.sta-ads.com/terms.html
they are
Changing where they are supposed
registered as a business is typical
of scams.

It's up to the IBAs to put a stop
to this scam and make Kim Inman
accountable for the millions he has
stolen--yes, when you take money
from people, don't perform as
promised, and refuse to refund that
money, it's stolen.


Hey Surfer

That is exactly what I was talking about earlier in this thread, Kim is very smart and he has a smart Lawryer to keep him and his money hidden.

I wonder how many in STA or YMMSS knows that STA is registered in Nevis ( By the way I have been to Nevis many times and My brother In Law owns A Hotel a couple miles away in St Kitts ) . Nevis is no where close to Belize by the way. Kim has always said that they were registered in Belize, very interesting to see this document that you have put up.

Thanks