Matrix321 getting smart?

[Bulldog]

You decide...


Please take note of our new notice. This notice inclines to all previous customers, new customers, and customers about to cycle or that have already cycled. As you might know Tim ____ (aka WatchDog) is suing the matrix community. All cyclers prizes will be froze right now until this lawsuit is over with. While these days pass by, signups will continue as normal incase the lawsuit loses. We don't want to delay people from signing up and having customers cycle to receive their free prize once the lawsuit is over. ANY Customers that have cycled or will cycle over this period of time for any item will be put on hold until WatchDog's Lawsuit is over. If WatchDog's lawsuit wins the case all customers that have been put on hold to receive their promotion item will not receive it. Instead all customers will be entitled to a refund instead. Refunds will be processed in the order they are received. In the case of WatchDog losing his lawsuit, all customers that have had their free promotion item froze will receive them. While this time may seem long and tiring Matrix321 needs to take special precautions incase of WatchDog winning. We assure you we are taking the only route possible for the best interest in our customers. Once the lawsuit ends, and the jury has come to a decision you will be notified on our site if we will have to shutdown. As we have stated above, incase of a site shutdown, (which is highly unlikely) there will be a link on the homepage for customers to file for a refund. Once refund complaints are sent in, they will be issued out within the next 30-65days. Were deeply sorry to the customer who have cycled, and will cycle over the process of this lawsuit. We cannot take any other route to protect our customers, and for our company filing for bankruptcy. If the jury favors on the Matrix's side, everything will continue on as normal and prizes will start being sent out once the lawsuit is over. We thank every customer for their patient and understanding during these rough times. We hope that you can understand we are trying to protect both the customers and ourselves the best way possible. Thank you again. Matrix321.

I say shutdown now and save the trouble...

[concerned]

Well, it sounds like this matrix site isn't very confident that the matrix community will win the case. In fact this site is doing 2 things when they make this announcement. They are indirectly announcing that they feel the lawsuit will be won by Watchdog, or else they would be confident enough to continue to pay people that cycle. They also seem to be getting ready to run with the money. I hope this isn't the case, but you can't help to believe that it is their intention when they say this:

As we have stated above, incase of a site shutdown, (which is highly unlikely) there will be a link on the homepage for customers to file for a refund.

Why do you think they feel the need to say this? It sounds like they are trying to assure their customers long enough to buy enough time for their pay processor accounts to empty out.

[northstar5757]

Sounds like they are just trying to get more people angry at watchdog. Also seems that they are in financial trouble.

[northstar5757]

I feel sorry for anyone on their list. I doubt anyone will bother joining the site now. Plus the people who have cycled will not get a prize even though they were previously assured they would.

[m321]

I have no idea where you people are getting these rumors from. It sure ain't from me. I think you are all making this up.

Bulldog - You have been posting a lot about our site. I may be wrong, but it seems like you might be a customer. If you are, why not just ask for a refund? We do offer them! Anyways, you've been posting a lot about every single change our site does. You do know that a site does have the right to change? Once you put up a site it is not going to stay the same forever and ever.

Concerned - We are not taking the money and running like other sites have done. Our site has been up long enough for customers to trust us. We are only doing this so we don't go into debt. As WatchDog said the lawsuit is not much further away. If WatchDog loses, then the prizes will ship out. We just don't want to ship them out now, and then have WatchDog win his case. If that happened, we would shutdown our site and refunds would go out the door, but we would end up short because we sent out prizes. I don't know if you wathdogs can get that in your head, but this is simply all were doing. Were not running away.

Northstar - Were not trying to have customers get mad at WatchDog. Although you could look at it this way, this is not why we did it. You can read why above. If it were to get customers mad at watchdog that would be useless. There'd be no point to it. And customers are still going to get their prize if WatchDog loses his case. Where did you get the idea that they would? Even if they don't they still get a refund if WatchDog wins.

I really don't know where you all are getting your information from. But it is clearly all wrong.

[FightingBack]

Well thanks for clearing it up matrix321. I am also invested into your site and have trusted you. I'm just glad to see your taking precautions and not shutting down, and running like some of these other sites. I give you a round of applause.

[concerned]

Originally posted by FightingBack
Well thanks for clearing it up matrix321. I am also invested into your site and have trusted you. I'm just glad to see your taking precautions and not shutting down, and running like some of these other sites. I give you a round of applause.

m321

It is very funny that you accuse us of getting these rumors. First of all, the statement that Bulldog posted is definately not a rumor. He copied this directly from your website. Secondly, I think it stinks that you hide it in your TOS statement, and also say that ALL previous customers have to obey that new statement. That isn't enough. You have to FORMALLY notify them about your changes. As for my response, I feel it is necessary to comment because I work with these kind of things on a daily basis. 99% of the time, a person puts a comment like the comment below when they are ACTUALLY planning to shutdown. Especially when you say it is highly unlikely. I think it goes without saying that any reasonably person would assume the worst, especially when dealing with someone on the internet that DOESN'T provide a phone number or address, or at least a name.


Originally posted on www.matrix321.comAs we have stated above, incase of a site shutdown, (which is highly unlikely) there will be a link on the homepage for customers to file for a refund.

[m321]

I didn't mean Bulldog. If course I know he copied it right from our site. Duhh. I was talking about you and Northstar. Were not shutting down and running, and not having finacial problems. That is what I was talking about.

[concerned]

YOU WILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[spydrman]

You guys should give matrix321 some credit. He's taking precautions and actually offers refunds. How many other matrix sites can you say the same about? Whether you believe the matrix sites are illegal or not, we'll just have to wait for the outcome of the lawsuit.

[MatrixWatch]

As you might know Tim ____ (aka WatchDog) is suing the matrix community.

I think that this is the quote that northstar was referring to when he said that M321 was making people angry at me. This statement is not true. I am not suing the "matrix community". That is ridiculous. I am suing ONE site (EzExpo), and the pay processors associated with them. I expanded the lawsuit against GINIX to include their support for about 30+ other sites. Ginix decided to close those accounts, but I did not sue those sites. Let's just get that cleared up right now.

Also, I AM NOT THE ONLY ONE FILING LAWSUITS. There are several lawsuits going on out there. I have offered an example of one other lawsuit (VarietyMatrix) in the download section. As I receive the copies of these lawsuits, and the permission of the plaintiffs, I will post them for you. Just understand that other lawsuits have been filed, not just mine. So, to say, "Watchdog is suing..." lacks information, research, perspective, and understanding.

Oh, and Spydrman. What they are doing deserves NO credit. They are making this decision for their benefit alone, not the customers. They don't want to send out awards because they know they will be going out of pocket (deep) to pay for refunds. I would give them credit if they shut down tomorrow and gave refunds, but they deserve NO respect for gambling their business on the outcome of this lawsuit.

[northstar5757]

My comment was about people that have cycled. why should they have to wait to get their gift? The tos said that they would get a gift once they cycled. There was nothing about oh you only get a gift if watchdog loses his case...

[northstar5757]

BTW of course you are getting people mad at watchdog. the whole premise of your TOS is that you will get your gift if watchdog DOES NOT win. So if they don't get their gift they should blame watchdog.

Now I do commend your attempts to save your customers however. Still thouygh you told them once they would cycle they would get their gift. I'm sure those customers will come after you

[Agent|Star]

Yep

[Bulldog]

And they should. Matrix321, you are in WAY over your head here. If you close up shop now, perhaps you can gain a little bit of respect back.

[MatrixWatch]

It seems that after reading my last post in this thread, Matrix321 has changed their statement to read:


As you might know Tim ____ (aka WatchDog) is suing EZExpo owners

Not only is it bad grammar, the correlation between it and the cycle freeze is not explained. If I were a customer I would say, "Who cares about EzExpo, this is Matrix321.."

[spydrman]

Matrix321 site does offer refunds and if they follow through with it then I think thats great. If you cycle and never receive anything or stuck on a long list not moving atleast you can get your money back as they state. I cycled and received nothing and would rather have a refund but we all know which site im talking about, which refuses any refunds.

[daiski]

ug, I tried and matrix321 wanted me to get a refund from paypay. He knows and I know that paypal wouldn't deal with transactions once it's over 30 days. He also said I could wait until their account unfreezes which is going to be in December. I don't understand why he can't just refund the money right away as he can keep the money when the account is unfroze. I think he's just trying to bs his way out.

[m321]

daiski - I don't mean to burst your bubble, but you can to get a refund from PayPal if it is after the 30 days! I can prove it if you would like. And I'm sure some Watchdogs could also tell you this. A lady wanted a refund from PayPal when our account was froze, we told her to do the same thing we told you. She ended up filing the report like 45 - 50 days after the transaction, and we let the complaint sit like we said we would do to yours, and after the 7 - 10 days was up, PayPal refunded her money. You have to literally call PayPal, you can't just e-mail them.

We are not "trying to get out of it" If we were, we would have just said, "Sorry, no refunds since our account is froze." Instead we told you can either contact PayPal like the last lady did, or wait till our account is unfroze.

[Bulldog]

Just tell paypal that matrix321 is a HUGE SCAM/FRAUD site and that you want your money back. I am sure they will understand. Paypal hates matrix sites and often go beyond the 30 day policy to refund customers involved in these matrix scams.

[Agent|Star]

Originally posted by Bulldog
Just tell paypal that matrix321 is a HUGE SCAM/FRAUD site and that you want your money back. I am sure they will understand. Paypal hates matrix sites and often go beyond the 30 day policy to refund customers involved in these matrix scams.



Wow they are a HUGE SCAM/FRAUD site whats this exaggeration? YOu can tell them is a matrix site saying HIGE SCAM/FRAUD site i dont think is appropriate. For one this site owner isn't a matrix owner with bad intentions to up and run with everything... Obviously cause its still around. Two, was matrix found illegal yet? Take it easy there bulldog...