Check out this email from Ezexpo

[hello]

Get a load of this email I received from Ezexpo:

"This is the most important newsletter to date that we have sent out. Please read throughly and completely.

Due to the non-payment from the credit card companies that you (our customers) used to buy our e-books, we have been forced to take drastic measures to continue to operate. For months we have hung on in the hope that these companies would release the operating capitol you paid to them for the products we sold you. This did not happen. In a last ditch effort, we are posting the link for those who may not have gotten our e-books. Please go here http://www.ezexpo.com/reports.asp

Those of you that paid for the e-books through a credit card processor should contact that company directly. Paypal, paysystem, or other than Ginix is the account of the previous owner Damion Flynn.

If you paid by Ginix, you should contact Darren Vogues (Shelby's contact at Ginix) and do so quickly. We decided to take this action now so you will be able to get a refund before the 6 month period. Darrens contact is 408-942-8693 x4664.

If you paid by money order, you are looking good. If after 30 days from receipt of this email, which will also be posted on the the website, you wish to stay on the list in your current position for the free item please send a money oreder to remain. Money Order info is found here http://www.ezexpo.com/payother.asp Those that do not will be removed from the list for the item/s. Credit card purchasor only. Those that paid by money order will move up to the top positions.

In any case, those that paid by credit card, we strongly urge you to contact the CC company who billed you and has your money. Hurry to get the refund and send the money orders in before you lose your placement for the free items. Or simply keep the refund and come off the list.

Those that continue to pay by money order will be placed ahead of the many who come off the lists for the free items.

We sincerely apologize for any inconvience due to the credit card companies non-payment, which is why we are taking action now, before it's too late."

Give me a break. I am not sending a penny to Shelby.

[peterdragin]

Why would anybody want to send ANOTHER money order to them ??

They already got the one that was sent in the first place !!!!!!

No way would I go and download any e-books, Shelby right now has NO WAY to prove that anybody even got them.. By downloading them now he would have proof that you did.


Damion if your around explain this email ??

[MaxPower]

So they want you to pay twice for your spot now? I sure hope that nobody sends the money orders that they are requesting.:cool:

[peterdragin]

I just thought of something I wonder if is Shelby sending this not Damion??

[damion]

That is Shelby sending that....

I know a little about this, but not much more than you.

I do know that I am tired of dealing with it all.
I shut down the matrixforum and directed people to EZ EXpo Com Inc forum and to this forum as well but I am tired of dealing with the spam and consistent threats that I am getting from people on the other forum.

Damion

[peterdragin]

I agree on the matrixforum shutdown, sooner or later the ezexpo forum has to go also.

After I went over the email I saw shelby written all over it.

He must be really hurting by now with all the crap he's pulled. Nobody trusts him at all but a few clones he has brainwashed.

There are some who will fall for this and send him another money order I bet.

I was wondering what ever happened to catrinarec?? she finally gave up on Shelby also.

[MatrixWatch]

Damion,
Why does this email upset you.. honestly? What specifically is it about the letter?

Peterdragin,
I have noticed that CantinaRec has not been around for awhile. It doesn't surprize me. If you remember, CantinaRec's big "claim to fame" was her criticism of my lawsuit, pointing out that since it was filed in California it would only be able to help the California victims, and that any settlements would go straight to the State. This was all bull. I announced that there was nationwide restitution because of certain cool laws in California, and the State does not "take" the proceeds from the lawsuit. This is a class action.

[spydrman]

Just to try to clear something up, I was a bit confused by the post after reading it the first time around. It states for the credit card purchasor only. What I believe it means is that those people who can get a refund through the credit card companies must then send in a money order to remain on the lists. Otherwise, they lose their spots after they get the refund from the credit card processor. The people who paid by money order will remain on the lists. Make sense now?

[spydrman]

In other words, you don't have to pay twice!

[gota2loveit]

It's the best move yet that I have seen him make because everybody who gets a refund will not be in the class action suit. Like he says you should get your refund and told you how to get it so he isn't withholding anything and he also offers you the ebooks that you might not have gotton.:D So watchdog doesn't ask for his refund I would send it to him anyway because he ddoesn't want the ebooks. This is getting better and before you get in a huff ask your lawyer that question.

[peterdragin]

All this tells me is he hasn't any money !!

He is trying to sucker people BACK into the matrix lists.

He can't get a pay processor to handle his account so this is a way to TRY to get some money for his next vacation.

If anybody falls for this they need to have their bean examined.

Exezpo is dead and just waiting for them to shovel in the dirt, I think everybody knows this by now, it's a little late for a comeback.

He knows that by NOT sending out the "gifts" to people already that have cycled for, it's a crime, Unfair business practices, the same thing that kid got busted and arrested for in TX.

I belive all the smart remarks and cuss words multiple user names he posted on the ezexpo forum and matrix forum are going to bite him in the arse. People do not trust him anymore !!

[gota2loveit]

He couldn't send out the "gifts" to people already that have cycled because of the cc. company. So that isn't a problem in the laws eyes .if anything who ever had the cc. company hold the accounts could be in trouble. so you could get what they call a back lash. i don't think it's that he doesn't have money I think he got some help and now he is going about it in the right way. So when you go to court their is going to be some heads turning.Smart remarks and cuss words multiple user names he posted on the ezexpo forum and matrix forum is not even going to come up when it goes to court that is just a waist of time.your getting personal and the suit isn't personal nor with any lawyer even get into that stupid stuff. Your thinking about this through a childs eyes, It's not the real world sorry.

[MatrixWatch]

Ease up on the personal insults. Feel free to speak your mind, but don't attack people.

[peterdragin]

Well in the REAL world it dosen't matter who has the money, the TOS states that when you cycle you WILL get your gift. Since nobody, or very few ever recived the "gift" the owner of the business is guilty of Illegal Business Practices, cut and dried.

It's called operating a business.

[damion]

Watchdog:
In response to your question - "What upsets me about the letter"..
Nothing. I saw this coming. I shut down the forum because of all the porn solicitation and people's inability to follow the rules.

I figured I would let someone else deal with these people. I posted a link on the forum that links here and to Shelby's forum so people can come to either based on what they want to do.

I do not know if I will shut down the forum completely or open it back up at a later date but right now I am tired of coming on and having to delete porn messages and other advertisements from members.

Anyways, as far as the EZ Expo email...
I saw it coming. Shelby has to find a way to account for the refunds and such. By giving people 30 days to get a refund and come off the list - he has the chance to run the site (in effect) off of just money orders which would limit some of his liability on CC processing as well as make sure he gets everyone off the list that has received a refund and not told him (like those people who said the got a refund but would never tell Shelby who they were because they were going to stay on the list).

Damion

[tootiredtosleep]

i paid for my ebooks back in january. i'm pretty sure this was before all the pay processor problems. my question is this...i feel they received that money. why shouldn't i remain on the list? if i were to complain to my credit card (which i'm not even sure still exists because i cancelled alot of cards) wouldn't they tell me too much time has passed? i mean i'm not even sure what to look for on my cc bill not to mention any invoice numbers. with my purchase being so long ago, do i have any merit whatsoever in getting my money back?...i did receive the ebooks i purchased and i'm sure my money was not frozen because it was before the problems started. this is more or less a double standard. technically i paid for ebooks and the tos stated that fact and i agreed by buying. if i have cancelled this card i used how can i get my monet back, if i even can at all? it just seems like fraud if i have received these ebooks and then ask for my money back...know what i mean? i have emailed ez expo concerning this, i'm betting on no response!

thanks!

[concerned]

This is all very interesting information. I found 2 things a little strange on his email. Did you notice that it said "I am not sending a penny to Shelby. Did he intend to make it look like Damion sent it, or did he think that people would think someone else was running that site? The second thing is that his grammer was horrible, but I think it was that way on purpose. I think he meant that if you get a refund, you should send the money order to stay on. On the other hand, I think he purposly worded it that way to get some of the customers that sent a money order to send another. I can't believe someone would fall for this crap.

This comment is for tootiredtosleep. Even if you canceled that card, I am sure the company has your address. I wouldn't doubt that they still have your account in their database in an unactive state. I bet they would just send you a check when the refund came thru.

[damion]

Concerned:
At the bottom of the first post on this thread where it says "I am not sending a Penny to Shelby" - that is a statement by hello, not actually part of the email Shelby sent out.

Damion

[concerned]

Oh, OK, now it makes more sense. I wish he would have blocked that off. Either way, the whole letter is shady.

[dbright]

Anybody notice that the "official" Ezexpo Inc forum has been taken down? Now isn't that just amazing.

[hello]

To concerned:

Sorry about adding my two cents to the bottom of my original post. I placed the email in quotes and closed the quotes when the email was over. Then just added my own opinion that I wasn't sending Shelby a penny, sorry for the mixup.

[MatrixWatch]

Originally posted by gota2loveit
I think he got some help and now he is going about it in the right way. So when you go to court their is going to be some heads turning.

EzExpo needs to stop strategizing, and start taking responsibility. Things would go much easier on them in court if they cooperated.

[damion]

Sorry Watchdog, but I am going to have to disagree with you on that.
How many people do you know that go to court and cooperate with the other party. If they did that it would not be court and we would have no need for a judicial system.

I do not know exactly what Shelby is doing or his plans. I know only a little more than most of you do but I do know Shelby fairly well and I have not ever known him to roll over for anyone. You can bet that if he goes down - he will go down swinging.

Damion

[concerned]

Originally posted by damion
You can bet that if he goes down - he will go down swinging.


Yeah, I think we know. In fact we have seen him take quite a few of those swings at you. Yet you still defend him. Interesting.

[MaxPower]

Too bad he has yet to connect on any of those swings... but I have to admit... he does not give up that easily.

And I thought his e-mail was stating that if you paid with a credit card... your name will be removed from the lists regardless... therefore, you would want to attempt to recieve a refund if you want any money back... however, it is not going to be any easier to recieve that refund from the cc processors.:cool:

[damion]

I believe MaxPower hit it right on the head.

Damion

[MatrixWatch]

Here is the latest from "Bobby Jacobs" on the issue.

From groups.msn.com/EzExpo

From: BobbyJacobs Sent: 9/3/2003 3:39 PM

I would guess that Shelby\admin2\Matrixowner\Shleby\peptoexpo is tired of being asked to deliver on his promises and way too embarrassed at not being able to aquire a CCP. Like when he went on about how the code is almost in place for the "international processor" early August, and how he would never use a US based CCP ever because they "keep all the money". They all thumbed their noses at him.
He's a loser and everyone sees that. Probably a nice guy, but not the brightest star on the horizon.
I really beleive that Damion would not have gotten sued if he kept the site, simply because he would put out the fire long before it grew. A little customer service goes a long way, and Shelby\admin2\Matrixowner\Shleby\peptoexpo hasn't caught on to that yet.

But he has caught on to the fact that he's not gonna ever be able to do anything with plastic - he's going for the Money Orders only. So he's telling everyone that all the folks who purchased with a CCP are going to be dropped from the lists, and only those who did the MO's will be left. Talk about cutting down the lists! Instantly.

And he knows what kind of flak he'll take in the forums for that, and he won't want any newbies to see any of *that* discussion. So the forum gets closed so no-one sees the issues. And Damion unknowingly gives him a boost by closing matrixforum at the same time. No vehicle for posting a bitch or question (except maybe here) - no need for Shelby\admin2\Matrixowner\Shleby\peptoexpo to sweat any negative publicity. Now he only has to watch the MO's trickle in, cash them when they do and nobody (IRS included more than likely) will be the wiser.
And on the odd chance he might have to ship when someone on the newly shortened lists does cycle, he'll ignore them completely and the only thing the ripped-off cycler can do is email EZ and wait patiently for the reply that never comes.

Good plan, actually. It costs nothing to keep the site up and even if the interest continues to wan, it's still good for a few hundred a week, I'd imagine. If someone cycles, the name comes off the list and they never get anything. That serves Shelby\admin2\Matrixowner\Shleby\peptoexpo in a couple ways.
One, what are they gonna do about it? Throw a rock at him? Email a nasty note? So what.
Two, the other folks waiting to cycle will see the name disappear and just figure the lucky cycler is now watching his plasma tv, and they will also be soon. After all, who can tell if another person actually got anything from cycling or even if the name was a real one?

Now, we can honestly call EZ-EXPO an out-and-out scam, because that's what it now is.

If someone is naive enough to send anyone an MO for just about anything (since it's like a bullet - once it's fired off it ain't ever coming back), they deserve to be liberated from the responsibility of keeping their money.

Maybe now WiitLess will create his own forum where he can be somebody. He'd like that.

Bobby

[hello]

Yes, that about sums it up Bobby.

[amagic2u]

I got into ezexpo in jan and paid by a check right out of my check book three times to the tune of $375.00 not only did I not get the ebook but my name was never put on the list for the plasma 42"and did not make the ps2 gameing pc etc list until april now what do I do because I believe that Damion was incharged at that point just another angle

[tootiredtosleep]

ok remember i posted here a couple days ago about the ez expo email? well, i went back into my files and found the date of purchase was 1/09/03 $50 total. it was paysystems. they tell me the time (8 months) exceeds there limit of 6 months. tough luck buddy go the the merchant. i told them it says paysystems right on my bill making them the merchant and i was aware of the lawsuit. now i get no response at all. AND no response from ez expo (who would of guessed). this card (providian) i used was paid off and cancelled back in march by myself so i don't think calling them is worth it. now if shelby didn't send that bogus email out about removing everyone who paid with a cc then i probably would of just let it ride to see what happened. BUT since he has i now have a problem. can somebody explain to me how this isn't fraud? yeah i see all the blah blah blah on the site but seriously now! it isn't about the 50 bucks anymore, i probably waste 50 bucks a week, now it's down to principle on both paysystems and ez expo.

thanks!