NOPROFITMATRIX.COM Closes and blames customers

[concerned]

New owner closes shop just like watchdog said!

Check out this post made at Top Matrix Forum.



Hello and goodbye!

I am closing this site due to the crappy customer base this site has. All CUSTOMERS SUCK!

You have topic based threads on sites but none on customers! WHY?

Only sites make mistakes right? Where are your testemonials on these cheating, lying, scamming customers.

PRENTISS is a lying peace of scum!
She posts all these crappy threads about companies, yet when she bought a spot on my list, she emailed me several times wanting a refund. Oh but wait she wasn't using that payment processor anymore. So could I send the refund through another processor. I refused the refund. As it turns out the check she used was bad. Wonder why she wanted a refund? She is a scam artist. Yet this forum allows her to freely post site bashings!

DROOTMAN is another scam artist. He joined my 2 person $500 cycle for $250.00! He joined twice and cycled thus making us even. Except for the $25.00 fee I incurred. Now I find out this scamming lil prick has chargebacked his $500.00! So he scammed me out of $500.00.

Lying cheating customers. I have reported both customers to the internet fraud dept as well as the FBI, for there illegal activity. I will see both of you broke and in prison. Maybe there you can start a matrix for zoo zoos!

THE MATRIX COMMUNITY SUCKS


If you look at that first line of that post it sure looks like he was EXCELENT at customer service. I can't imagine what could make him close up shop with such a personality.

As for the last part, I do hope he reports this to the FBI. I bet they would love to talk to him. Can we officially contact America's Dumbest Criminals yet? I wonder what he would tell the FBI? Maybe something like this:

"Agent XXX, I was running this illegal pyramid scam you see, and these 2 people scammed me."

HAHAHA

I bet he would have the Agent rolling on the floor. It's like robber stealing $100 from a convenience store, but he leaves his wallet with $200 at the store.

[Agent|Star]

Heheh I wonder how this would go with the FBI lol! What those two are doing is pretty bad. Caution to matrix site now cause this is a possibility that customers will start targeting you to scam out monies.. OUCH!!!

[mikv]

Now this is getting good. A site owner bashing ALL customers. He brought it on himself right?? Isn't that the matrix owners excuse when they scam people out of their money?? You knew what you were getting into when you made payment by credit card an option right?? I mean don't matrix owners always cover their bases like they say?? So the scammer got scammed and he's bitter about it....LOL....That's the one thing that NON shady people never think about when they "test the shady waters"....There is ALWAYS someone MORE shady than you are that will beat you at your own game.

[Agent|Star]

So Milkv you sound as though you think this type of customer behavior is perfectly fine. I don't think it is... You say "scammer got scammed" is there any real facts that NonProfitMatrix was a scammer? Its clear however that he was scammed.

[concerned]

Originally posted by BigStarr
So Milkv you sound as though you think this type of customer behavior is perfectly fine. I don't think it is... You say "scammer got scammed" is there any real facts that NonProfitMatrix was a scammer? Its clear however that he was scammed.

BigStar, I know that you are completely NAIVE to the fact that the matrix model is a pyramid scheme, so showing proof that they were a scammer won't help out the cause here. When you wise up to the fact that there are thousands of people getting scammed, then maybe you will understand.

Now to get this back on track, do you think they were innocent and wonderful business people when they say that all customers suck?

[Agent|Star]

What im trying to point out is you call Matrix Owners scammers.. This has never been proved yet to be a pyramid scam.....

I dont consider a site owner a scammer unless they are robbing people by opening a site and running away. Or never paying those who cycle... Basically a bad intention matrix site.

Again, do you find these customers behavor acceptable?

[concerned]

Originally posted by BigStarr
Again, do you find these customers behavor acceptable?

I would need to have proof that they actually did do this. I already read from one of the 2 he is accusing that they didn't do what he said happened. Until I see solid proof, I cannot comment on that.

REMEMBER THIS THREAD (Site Owners that Lie):

http://www.matrixwatch.org/forums/showthread.php?threadid=418&perpage=10&highlight=Site%20owners%20that%20lie&pagenumber=4

[hurley9192]

I'll kind of jump on the Pro side here, that not all matrix owners are scammers. I don't think that tcb was out to scam people.

Now, if the site owner puts their name on the list first and gets product off future customers, then they are scamming. Of course, if they take the money and run they are as well.

However, when you go into this type of world, you are just asking for this type of customer base. Not to mention, that someone may have scammed him, but he just ran off with the uncycled portion of the other money.

My guess is that this guy is a scam artist, got the distribution this month and used a pretty good excuse for getting out.

Was their site name really NOprofitmatrix.com or nonprofitmatrix.com? If the former, then that's a pretty funny site name.

[concerned]

Originally posted by hurley9192
Was their site name really NOprofitmatrix.com or nonprofitmatrix.com? If the former, then that's a pretty funny site name.

I think it was NONprofitmatrix, but I copied their handle from that other forum, and the handle said NOprofitmatrix.

[MatrixWatch]

NONprofitmatrix.com is not a matrix site. It is an information hub for non-profit businesses.

The matrix site is NOprofitmatrix.com, and their selling point was they would take the profits from their matrix lists and place them back into the lists. People would then have the hope of cycling faster.

The "NON" matrix site was, I believe, NONprofitmatrix.NET, which has been shut down for a while.

[Agent|Star]

Well I personally know who Drootman is I don't find it appropriate to say how or why... I believe his claim about Drootman is true.

[mikv]

The very FACT that only 1-2% of the total customer base that signs up will actually get to cycle is proof enough to me that it's a scam. I merely pointed the fact that this site owner was complaining that they got scammed and blamed the customers. You can't blame the customer for wising up and trying to get their money back by any means necessary. Regardless on how many people get the product, there will be hundreds if not thousands that don't. So how do you figure it's NOT a scam?? Just because there is no law to tell you so. Well there is no law that states if you put your hand over a hot stove it will burn, but you will get burned. Just like with a matrix site. Don't get upset because the customers are now taking a stand and beating you at your own game, you should be happy that the good morals and upstanding business conduct that you matrix owners have brought to the "service" industry are being utilized. No sense crying about it when it was you matrix owners that started it.

[Agent|Star]

Oh my gosh Mikv... I cant believe you are actually agreeing with the practices of something like that... WatchDog i wonder if you agree with customers that do this...

[THE-DARK-SIDE]

First off I had no problems with customer service before this!

I am very upset by what happened to my site and my customers money. I ran a matrix site for no profit, I didn't make one cent off of my customers. In fact I lost money on every sale.

So if I seem a little angered or foul mouthed I feel I have a reason to be!

I was not running a scam, in fact I was trying to help the matrix community!

Now as to these customers of mine.

Prentiss payed through gottapay and the next day asked for a refund. I told her that we don't issue refunds, but I would consider her case and get back to her in 3 days. Then she emails me back saying she has to cycle in 2 days or wants a refund through another payment processor. I told her that if we decide to refund her money it would be through gottapay. Needless to say her echeck to gottapay was bad and cost both me and gottapay fees.

As to Drootman he is the former owner of noprofitmatrix.net a horrible person. He bought 2 e-books from me for $250.00 each and received $500.00 from me. We were dead even He had received back exactly what he had payed into the site. I lost $30 on the transaction. Then he files a chargeback and received another $500.00 thus closing my account and stealing all my customers money.

So stop calling me a scammer. If you don't like me fine, but you have no idea about my site or my intentions.

[hurley9192]

I highly doubt that Watchdog is for scamming the matrix owner.

As far as a scam goes, I guess that you could still say it's a scam if they are just providing the means for others to make money off later investors.

[MatrixWatch]

Originally posted by BigStarr
Oh my gosh Mikv... I cant believe you are actually agreeing with the practices of something like that... WatchDog i wonder if you agree with customers that do this...

I am against all forms of scam. This parallels the eBay vigilante tactics. Not all means justify an end. It is important that people do what is right when they want to combat internet scam. People get impatient, and they want to get the job done, but it is not right to cheat anyone, no matter who they are.

We ought to treat others the same way that we would have them treat us.

[concerned]

Originally posted by noprofitmatrix
I ran a matrix site for no profit, I didn't make one cent off of my customers. In fact I lost money on every sale.

So if I seem a little angered or foul mouthed I feel I have a reason to be!


You CHOSE to run this site, not anybody else. You probably even knew that even if you DIDN'T make a profit, that the people that were first in line would make their profit from the people at the back, and then the people at the back would be without anything. You have NO right to be angered. You ran a site that was DESIGNED to scam people out of their money, no matter if it was you or others that ended up ahead. The fact that you got scammed serves you right. I am not saying that I condone what was done, but what do you think all of the people that were on your lines that didn't cycle feel. So you got scammed by 2 people, while hundreds were scammed by you. That is no excuse. Why didn't you realize what you were getting into? I still don't believe that you made NO PROFIT at all. Why would you take that kind of responsibility?

How do we know that you or your friends weren't at the front of each line.

Take some responsibility for your illegal actions and quit whining!

[MatrixWatch]

While we believe that he did something immoral, and that there are certain risks a person takes when they enter into the matrix world these days, the customers did not deserve to lose all of their money on one member. How will the other members get their money now?

While we are frustrated, it is important that we stay professional and objective Concerned.

However, we must also take into account that this story could be a lie. Pay Companies usually confirm chargebacks with the owners. Why would NoProfit approve of the chargeback? We still have more questions to answer here. The statement of a matrix owner is not enough.

NoProfit, do you have any "hard evidence" of this whole episode?

[THE-DARK-SIDE]

Actually to the item about what about my other 100 people waiting to cycle. You are very misinformed. The site had 4 people on it drootmen was the first 2 spots and one other sold afetr him, he recouped his investment! The person behind him just got screwed. As to my other list it had 2 people on it and one was prentiss. So don't speak unless you know what you are talking about.

Also somebody said that they doubted I didn't make a profit. Well tell me how I made a profit on a 2 person cycle for $500 when I sold the e-books for $250 each. Please don't speak just because you can. You are misinformed and know nothing of what you say!

For proof here is the email sent to me by the payment processor which has since seized my account and blocked me access to my records.
Dear dylan miller,

This is to inform you that the transaction below has resulted in a charge back.

Please log in to StormPay to get more details.
http://www.stormpay.com/

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Transaction Details
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Type: Payment
From: factory_to_you@???????.com
Date: July 31, 2003
ID: 644793
Amount: $500.00
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Thank you for using StormPay!

The StormPay Team

Now this person had already received $500.00 from me to there stormpay account.

as too my other claim here is the proof as well.
ID: 1444311
Type: Payment
Status: Cancelled
Date - Time: 28/07/2003 21:02

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Sender: Prentiss ???????????
prentissa@???????.com

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Receiver: ???????????
noprofitmatrix@aol.com

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Gross: USD 100.00
Fee: USD -3.20
Net: USD 96.80


There is my proof you doubters. So say what you will, I know I tried to run an honest site. So stop replying to this thread just to pretend like you know what you are talking about.

noprofitmatrix

EVERYONE HAS A RIGHT TO BE STUPID BUT SOME PEOPLE ABUSE THE PRIVLAGE

[MatrixWatch]

Thanks for this information. I hope that this clears up many of the questions that people have been asking you.

I appreciate you coming here to the forums and sharing your point of view. I think that many people could learn from your experiences. Please don't mind some of the challenging remarks made by a few of our members. They have seen so many sites close and take off lately, that they are a little "on edge". We actually have a GREAT group here. Although we disagree on many things, I enjoy having them all here. This has been a great summer so far at Matrix Watch, and I hope that you can stick around.

[factorytoyou]

I am "DROOTMAN" who invested on the site. I did not scam this guy. I did not initiate the chargeback. Stormpay initiated the chargeback when they froze my account. I had nothing to do with it. I still have between $500-$1000 frozen in my account. Contact stormpay if you want your money back not me. Also, NOPROFITMATRIX is not a great matrix owner. (I wasn't either). He wouldn't even let me reinvest in the matrix when I wanted to cycle myself. He said that I could not invest to get my money back because stormpay had already frozen his account.

At least I am working on refunds.

[MatrixWatch]

So "DROOTMAN", a.k.a. "factorytoyou", as we asked NoProfitmatrix, do YOU have any hard evidence to clear this up, such as a StormPay screenshot? So far, I have read a lot of debates on the various forums, but have not seen any evidence beyond general denial of allegations. If you could help clear this up, I'd appreciate it.

Also, you appear to be a matrix owner.. Which site did/do you own? Your StormPay account was frozen? All of this is becoming interesting. Please fill us in.

[THE-DARK-SIDE]

DROOTMAN was the infamous owner of noprofitmatrix.net who closed his site after 2 weeks. Running off with all his customers money. LOL. You say I was a bad site owner? Then why did you copy my entire format? Also my stormpay account was frozen because of you. No matter what the reason for the chargeback, weather it was because you asked for it, or because you stole so many customers funds they closed you down. You are the reason for more trouble than anyone else I know. Due to your tactics all my funds were seized, all my puchases from my account have been chargebacked by stormpay to cover your bogus chargeback!

One last thing I didn't refuse a sale to you! You refused to send money. You wanted me to just send you money and say you cycled. I ran a business, if you wanted to purchase my products all you had to do was click one of my links! OH wait I forgot all your payment processors have booted you off for being a crook!

[MatrixWatch]

Sorry to cut in, but I just want to clear something up.

Is it NOprofitmatrix, or is it NONprofitmatrix. Is one a .net, and the other a .com? This is so confusing and I would like to get it settled once and for all since we have you both here.

Feel free to continue your discussion after answering this. Also, I have already seen you two argue about this on other forums. I would like to hear your arguments, but I would also like to see some actual evidence. Otherwise, it is just one person's word against the other's. Perhaps some of the customers of these sites can explain some things as well.

[THE-DARK-SIDE]

Hello again let me try and clear it up a little!

I was the owner of noprofitmatrix.150m.com DROOTMAN was the owner of nonprofitmatrix.net!

He opened his site on Aug 1st and closed it Aug 12th and I don't know how to run a site. As to my proof I am afraid it is my word against his as stormpay refuses to answer any of my emails and has blocked my entry to there site. However you will notice that he doesn't dispute the fact that I sent him $500.00 on the night of his initial purchase (for $500.00)! So I owe him nothing and the chargeback is unfounded. He purchased 2 spots and cycled within minutes. He received his prize but I get screwed out of the initial payment. Obviously I was running a legit site as they didn't chargeback the money I sent him!

[MatrixWatch]

Originally posted by noprofitmatrix
DROOTMAN was the infamous owner of noprofitmatrix.net who closed his site after 2 weeks

Originally posted by noprofitmatrix
Hello again let me try and clear it up a little!

I was the owner of noprofitmatrix.150m.com DROOTMAN was the owner of nonprofitmatrix.net!


I was the owner of noprofitmatrix.150m.com DROOTMAN was the owner of nonprofitmatrix.net!

OK.. In your post above, you say Drootman owned noprofitmatrix.net. Now you say it is nonprofitmatrix.net. Is this the first or the second? Are there two "NON" sites, or two "NO" sites, or is there a third???

[THE-DARK-SIDE]

Sorry it's late here!

I owned NOPROFITMATRIX.150M.COM

Drootman owned NONPROFITMATRIX.NET

The other was a typo!

[factorytoyou]

This is what stormpay sent me. Unfortunately I can not access the funds and stormpay does not respond to me. I owe NOPROFITMATRIX nothing. Also my account was not frozen because I was running a matrix. It was frozen because I had multiple stormpay accounts.

Dear Eric Drootman,

This is to inform you that the transaction below has resulted in a
charge back.

Please log in to StormPay to get more details.
http://www.stormpay.com/

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Transaction Details
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Type: Payment
From: noprofitmatrix@aol.com
Date: July 31, 2003
ID: 649811
Amount: $500.00
----------------------

Thank you for using StormPay!

The StormPay Team