Esto Resigns

[theflame]

Esto has left the PONZIlol :applause: :applause: :applause:

Today I resigned my consultative position as Communications Director of STA effective the end of this month. I sent the following note to Kim and have informed Mile and Mark. The resignation has been accepted.

TEXT

I have a full plate and I feel that leaving is best not just for me but for the company as well. I think the company can and will succeed but only with central leadership that communicates almost daily and conveys momentum with more timely programming results which should be outsourced if they cannot be done in house.

Best, S

END TEXT

I really do believe things are on a firm footing for the future but I also would argue that the points I make in the note are of major importance as they affect morale and speed -- both, to me, essential to getting the job done.

[theflame]

Esto has left the PONZIlol :applause: :applause: :applause:

Today I resigned my consultative position as Communications Director of STA effective the end of this month. I sent the following note to Kim and have informed Mile and Mark. The resignation has been accepted.

TEXT

I have a full plate and I feel that leaving is best not just for me but for the company as well. I think the company can and will succeed but only with central leadership that communicates almost daily and conveys momentum with more timely programming results which should be outsourced if they cannot be done in house.

Best, S

END TEXT

I really do believe things are on a firm footing for the future but I also would argue that the points I make in the note are of major importance as they affect morale and speed -- both, to me, essential to getting the job done.



Here is Jim H reply,

JimH
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 1:44 am Post subject: Reply with quote
I knew you mentioned leaving over the past months for these reasons, Steve, but it's still a shock to see it, and I can only hope you will still come into the forum & coffee breaks as often as you can. Otherwise it won't be the same or feel right. Your insight & help is like life support to many.

[Kim_Inmans_Butt]

Don't worry Esto, there's always a home for you here at MW....

[theflame]

Don't worry Esto, there's always a home for you here at MW....

Esto got what he wanted.
He got many STA members to join him and Obviously Kim in their downlines in these So called STA partnership MLM's
Greenwood
Dubli
Bigdaddy
GDI
and who knows what others.

In fact Esto has a conference room now for his MLM deals paid for by Kim Inman and STA members.http://67.19.90.10/masteradmin/room.asp?id=rs3cdf315f4985

A question was asked in ESTO's last coffee break after he announced this room for MLM's how much these rooms cost and Esto said he did not now because STA was paying for it. JJ chimed in and said these rooms cost lots.


Imagine YMMSS/STA members, your money is being used to build Esto's MLM deals for Kim :flame: :swear:

AMAZING

[Gringo]

He's talked about leaving and even made deadlines in the past, but this one looks more serious.

So now one of Kims closest and oldest supporters bails. :applause: Will STA simply die off bit by bit until just a static web page remains, or will there be a final big blow up?

Kim has lost way too much credibility for any kind of re-launch or revival. All the new MLM's, changes, etc. are pretty much just spinning wheels at this point with each new scheme ending up more disappointing than the last.

I'm expecting his next move to be an expense cutting "reorganization" of staff so that he cuts the ongoing salary drain.

BTW, what's the latest fraction of a cent that the weekly pay is at?

[theflame]

He's talked about leaving and even made deadlines in the past, but this one looks more serious.

So now one of Kims closest and oldest supporters bails. :applause: Will STA simply die off bit by bit until just a static web page remains, or will there be a final big blow up?

Kim has lost way too much credibility for any kind of re-launch or revival. All the new MLM's, changes, etc. are pretty much just spinning wheels at this point with each new scheme ending up more disappointing than the last.

I'm expecting his next move to be an expense cutting "reorganization" of staff so that he cuts the ongoing salary drain.

BTW, what's the latest fraction of a cent that the weekly pay is at?

Kimmy will die off bit by bit. Safest way for him

[littleroundman]

http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/jmg0055l.jpg

[concerned]

I'm expecting his next move to be an expense cutting "reorganization" of staff so that he cuts the ongoing salary drain.


What makes you think he is paying them a salary. I wouldn't be supprised if he has convinced them all to work for free, because he was good enough to get people to open their wallets and give him their cash.

[Gringo]

What makes you think he is paying them a salary. I wouldn't be supprised if he has convinced them all to work for free, because he was good enough to get people to open their wallets and give him their cash.I can assure you the programmers aren't working for free. The only free help might be some of the mods. Everyone else is getting paid. It's one thing to scam people into sending him money with the promise of doubling it, and something else to ask them to work for free day after day.

[concerned]

Hey, these people might just be that brainwashed. I think it is a possibility. I think you are right that people are getting paid, but wouldn't you agree that Kim is the type of person that would try to get the most brainwashed people to work for free? I think he has tried with every person to squeeze any little bit of free labor our of them that he can.

[ferlando]

Hey Gringo
Ya made a mistake.....You said programmers
NOT!!!.....Just one
His daughter

[ymmss_victim]

Hey, these people might just be that brainwashed. I think it is a possibility. I think you are right that people are getting paid, but wouldn't you agree that Kim is the type of person that would try to get the most brainwashed people to work for free? I think he has tried with every person to squeeze any little bit of free labor our of them that he can.

YEAH, probably offered them shares in his worthless company. Well...worthless to everyone but him.

[Gringo]

Hey Gringo
Ya made a mistake.....You said programmers
NOT!!!.....Just one
His daughterI thought his daughter was doing the graphic design stuff. Please source your information.

[Gilbert]

Shame it wasn't the one they call Anto who resigned. Talk about brainwashed?

The shameless arrogance and obvious wallowing in self-importance from this guy of late, is surpassed only by his constant futile attempts at portraying YMMSS/STA as a mainstream business. Hey Anto - you're an STA forum moderator. Who do you think is listening when you say stuff like "suffer the consequences" and make unveiled threats like "any abuse of the TOU will swiftly be acted upon"?

Grow up you imbecile and get a life.

[itstheone]

I remember copying this from a forum way back , not sure if it was this one or somewhere else.

No matter what Kimmy or Esto or whoever else says now, their mindset was the same from the beginning when they made up this scam.

QUOTE (steverose @ Jul 9 2004, 06:10 PM)
I will be perfectly content to walk away with a good feeling when it all comes to an end.

He was talking about YMMSS when he posted this so don't think it's been taken out of context.

Just thought new members and YM'ers who are browsing would like to see it.

[surfer]

It was a different forum itstheone.

That was in a thread which Esto later
went back into and deleted all of his
comments in protest of alleged unfair
treatment. lol lol

[drankoolaid]

Yeah Ole Esto,

Never had the pleasure but there are enough
of his little jewels of 'wisdom' sprinkled around
the internet --

Yes the forum referred to where he deleted
all his posts -- apparently an HYIP 'opportunity'
site wherein YMMSS / STA / Inman were called
into question and ESTO was not liking some of the
questions and 'feedback' he was receiving so he
went though and deleted all his posts due to this
'maltreatment' at the hands of his former comrades --

Pity too because apparently it was at one time
one of ESTO's favorite places (meaning he probably
recruited more than one poor sap into the 'business'
from there --

Anyone whom wishes to know what ESTO is about
should read my lengthly find from him which I copied
and pasted in its entirety here (http://www.matrixwatch.org/forums/showthread.php?t=4523) on the forum.

It is a fascinating read and adventure into the mind of ESTO.

Delusional ranting - Unchecked Meglomania --
a false sense of entitlement -- self importance -
irrational feelings of grandeur --

to name a few

I would think the UN a great breeding ground for this type of thing.

If you have not read it (http://www.matrixwatch.org/forums/showthread.php?t=4523) -- its both long AND fascinating.

Let me make a little footnote -
Esto was doing OK in his rant (http://www.matrixwatch.org/forums/showthread.php?t=4523)
when in the beginning he described
the 'perils' of MLM --

Of course that is only the very beginning of his
YMMSS manifesto (http://www.matrixwatch.org/forums/showthread.php?t=4523) to which
he catalogs difficulties
of the MLM way (his extensive 'experience' ) --

The purpose of document in it's entirety was to funnel
more people into what was YMMSS now STA STAy --
a known scam of the highest order -

Mike

Best Regards,
Michael

[pluto]

Esto's latest forum entries have been somewhat critical of admin, and stating why he thinks that STA is not on the path to success in 2007.

Of course JimH is staying away from those threads, attention is focused on the tax debacle!

[drankoolaid]

Yes Esto is now bad rapping STAy
and its fearless leaders as we write.

No question about that at all.

I find it fairly amazing that MANY of
the present IBA's actually empathize
with poor ole ESTO because he had always
tried oh so hard and was always so 'straightforward'
with the YMMSS / STA / STAy affiliate base.

Then again -- once in awhile some reality
manages to eek through the heavy fog of ESTo BS.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 1:19 am
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Yes Esto I'm glad that you spelled things out more clearly now.

We are certainly far from the days of your
Success Notes "The YMMSS Alternative to Mortgages"

I sincerely hope that no one took that advice.
Hammertime

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 1:38 am Post subject:
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Sadly some did, glad i'm not one of them....
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 7:41 am Post subject:
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It should be noted that Success Notes was
taken down and put out of cuirculation when
the troubles we had two years back now dealing
with massive traffic developed.

I do not regret the early exuberance save
as it proved unfounded for those who came
in at the point Success Notes could no longer
claim validity.

Independent Web business is a matter of
continual evaluation of conditions and continual
decisions.

If you had told me a year ago I would be
where I am now I would have denied the
possibility up and down.

Life does go on though. STA remains
a great model and concept and I continue
to hope for its realization.

THe only problem is that it requires a 90
percent leap in competent execution and
the elaboration of the opportunity in stages
to a responsive membership.

And its server reach must be webwide without glitches.
That is a tall order. Best, S

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Nice how ESTO now bemoans STAy lack of
'accountability' yet denies his own role in making
early YMMSS and then later STA statements
that did great financial harm to many good people.

This is not to deny EVERY individuals need for
accountability and also our personal need to take
responsibility for individual decisions business or otherwise.

Still - ESTO was chief songbird and a chirper whom
really did make decent money on the YMMSS doubler.

He sang all the YMMSS songs - Kim Inman and STA praises.

He wrote the YMMSS manifesto I refer to above.
See Esto Manifesto (http://www.matrixwatch.org/forums/showthread.php?t=4523)

He was a major player, songbird, shill, cheerleader
who now has resigned his lofty position and joins
the widening chorus of dying faithful now crying foul --

In short ESTO has give himself a pass.

He has absolved himself of his own reponsibility
and role in the scam called YMMSS -- now STAy

He is now Esto the denier

Esto the 'i told you so'

RE: ESTO's quote from above

"If you had told me a year ago I would be
where I am now I would have denied the
possibility up and down."

Yes ESTO we KNOW

You were told and you did deny.

There is absolutely NO virtue
in admitting to this obvious truth
which would be hard for even YOU
to deny -- seeing how its well documented
here on this forum and elsewhere
all across the internet --

So Esto -- Its on to the next great thing.

Esto is obviously distancing himself from
that train wreck called STA STAy
formerly YMMSS Your Money Machine Success System.

Easy come - Easy Go --

What a guy!

Best Regards,
Michael

[boatman189]

Esto has no idea how many people he hurt, many ruined because people believed in him, his crap, his lies.. He should offer an apologize to all these folks and ask for their forgiveness. Then as a man he should go to the authorties and tell ALL that he knows about Kim and company and help expose these blatant, thieves, fraudsters for what they are.
That would be downpayment to right all that he did that was wrong.

[littleroundman]

Please nobody take this post to heart as being personal or critical.

Treat it as an observation from someone who has been involved in this "area", both off and online, for a long time.

As much as most posters here are outwardly critical of YMMSS, STA, Esto, Kim etc, as an outside observer, I continue to marvel at how deeply embedded this whole scam has become in the minds of most everyone.

In every thread, almost every post, no matter how critical it may be, posters STILL use terms as if speaking of a real, live business that's somehow gone bad.

Again, this is NOT a criticism of individuals or "targets", the fact that it happens is common to all successful "scams"

This (YMMSS, STA etc) is a scam, pure and simple. From inception until now, every aspect of it was designed for two purposes, and two purposes only - to scam people and to gain power.

Nothing, nada, zip, zero, zilch that Kim, Esto or any of the main players said or says has ANY basis in fact.

There never was a "business" that coulda, shoulda, woulda worked.

Kim could have been Nelson Rockefeller and it wouldn't have turned out any different than exactly how it did.

For Esto to even hint at management being responsible for the demise is as big a lie as anything said by Kim.

It will be far more valuable for everyone to totally absorb the unfortunate truth, that nothing, from day one was legitimate.

Saying "Esto should" or "Kim ought to" is still giving credibility to something that never existed. Both have achieved exactly what they wanted.

Not prosecuting everyone involved to the full extent of the law is doing exactly what "they" wanted, planned for and executed. They played on the "goodness" in people factor, knowing full well it would eventually work in their favour when the question of prosecution arose.

Nothing happened during this scam by accident. Every word, every half truth, every "error by omission" happened exactly according to plan.

That plan had two objectives - money and power.

Both were achieved.

From my perspective, the only questions that remain are:

1) Will Kim allow the "power" and "ego" factors to rule a la' Bryan Marsden, and remain around long after he should have skipped.

2) Will the "members" have the intestinal fortitude to do "whatever it takes, for however long it takes" to ensure justice.

[boatman189]

Please nobody take this post to heart as being personal or critical.

Treat it as an observation from someone who has been involved in this "area", both off and online, for a long time.

As much as most posters here are outwardly critical of YMMSS, STA, Esto, Kim etc, as an outside observer, I continue to marvel at how deeply embedded this whole scam has become in the minds of most everyone.

In every thread, almost every post, no matter how critical it may be, posters STILL use terms as if speaking of a real, live business that's somehow gone bad.

Again, this is NOT a criticism of individuals or "targets", the fact that it happens is common to all successful "scams"

This (YMMSS, STA etc) is a scam, pure and simple. From inception until now, every aspect of it was designed for two purposes, and two purposes only - to scam people and to gain power.

Nothing, nada, zip, zero, zilch that Kim, Esto or any of the main players said or says has ANY basis in fact.

There never was a "business" that coulda, shoulda, woulda worked.

Kim could have been Nelson Rockefeller and it wouldn't have turned out any different than exactly how it did.

For Esto to even hint at management being responsible for the demise is as big a lie as anything said by Kim.

It will be far more valuable for everyone to totally absorb the unfortunate truth, that nothing, from day one was legitimate.

Saying "Esto should" or "Kim ought to" is still giving credibility to something that never existed. Both have achieved exactly what they wanted.

Not prosecuting everyone involved to the full extent of the law is doing exactly what "they" wanted, planned for and executed. They played on the "goodness" in people factor, knowing full well it would eventually work in their favour when the question of prosecution arose.

Nothing happened during this scam by accident. Every word, every half truth, every "error by omission" happened exactly according to plan.

That plan had two objectives - money and power.

Both were achieved.

From my perspective, the only questions that remain are:

1) Will Kim allow the "power" and "ego" factors to rule a la' Bryan Marsden, and remain around long after he should have skipped.

2) Will the "members" have the intestinal fortitude to do "whatever it takes, for however long it takes" to ensure justice.


Don't think you'll get any disagreements here, it does seem painfully obvious now looking back, not just at YMMSS but Kim's other failed ponzi's EXACTLY what his intentions always were.
There was a time, when many of us believed that Kim wanted to try to make this work, we believed he meant it when he spoke of his Christian beliefs, when he spoke of us as family, and actually it may of worked, but he rejected, off hand, ALL worthwhile proposals, then stuck with a math model that could only fail and with what really was just further Ponzi speak, "buy epc's now", and that things would be fine, "Tomorrow!"
Now we know , now we simply want Justice....

[drankoolaid]

Thanks LittleRounderMan,

Spot on -- a great post detailing
Inman/YMMSS intentions from the start.

In my posting above I do refer to ESTO
recruiting into the 'business' - with the
quote marks / hashes for dramatic and
sarcastic emphasis --

As you correctly state in your post --
YMMSS was NEVER a business and its
off-spring (the son of YMMSS) called STA
was not/ is not a 'business' either --

Monkey business - scam -- theft by deception
Ponzi scheme, fraud are the correct charactorizations --

As boatmen stated already -- you probably
will not get much of a disagreement on this here --

I have heard others refer to the YMMSS 'bait and switch'
ie: people were promised one thing (double your money in 90 days)
and then (the switch) to STA -- a 'paid to read program.'

I stated in the past that I have a problem with
the 'bait and switch' statement because again
this would presume their was a legitimate 'product'
to be baited to and then switched from --

There wasn't --

The main thrust of what you are saying is I believe
- for one to express any aspect of the YMMSS (fantasy)
as being in any way a 'legitimate business' may detract
(and even delay) from the primary reason why we are here --
which is to inform and encourage others (as with ourselves)
to press on seeking legal remedy - ie: justice for harms done.

Mostly where I observe the types of comments
that you refer to are on/in the official YMMSS/ STA
forum where quite a few STILL talk of this scam
in the exact ways that you describe -- many even
suggesting ways to 'right the ship' so to speak.

These types of postings are not only baffling and
frustrating -- they are just plain sad.

Even to refer to Kim and Company as 'admin'
lends a certain amount of 'authority/credibility
to these serial scam artists -- Agreed!

Refering to Mike Hamilton as COO
(Chief Operating Officer) has same chilling effect --

Based upon my modest research into these
types of scams and schemes in particular
researching PONZI and AFFINITY FRAUD
some people will steadfastly believe in the
scammer (and scam) even when the perps
are indicted and/or subsequently convicted of fraud --

It is not however to these 'hard nuts' that
you address your comments I believe - but
instead to those of us already convinced yet
by some wierd mental twist -- consciously (or unconsciously)
believe that YMMSS / STA MIGHT have worked had
things been better managed etc - OR perhaps that Kim
Inman WAS possibly a 'decent guy' with a bad business plan.

Along that same vain -- is also the reason I find
current STA members 'defending' ESTO and HIS past
role recruiting into the YMMSS / STA scam a bit strange --

Yet anyone who reads even modestly on this subject
will quickly find that this irrational behavior is not
strange at all. It is very common.

It also (defending behavior) explains a lot in terms
of HOW Mr Inman did successfully sell his 'opportunity' all along.

That is to say --

Taking calculated advantage of well intentioned people
- no matter what their other flaws or shortcomming's may have been.

Best Regards,
Michael

[surfer]

and actually it may of worked, but he rejected, off hand, ALL worthwhile proposals, then stuck with a math model that could only fail and with what really was just further Ponzi speak, "buy epc's now", and that things would be fine, "Tomorrow!"
The above is a little example of what
littleroundman was trying to get across.

There were no worthwhile proposals that
could have "fixed" what Kim Inman started.
There is no fix to a ponzi.

Without the ponzi aspect, Kim Inman would
have had no "business" to fix. Without
promising to double money every 60-90 days,
Kim would not have been able to suck millions
out of people.

Aside from the unregistered securities/WACs/
Reading Credits now being issued, the current
form is as close to a real business as they
have come. And look at the results.

With no guaranteed ROI, how many people
are spending thousands of dollars on Success
Through Advertising's "advertising"?

The product has always been a ruse just
to appear legitimate.

YMMSS-Success Through Advertising was a
scam from inception designed solely to make
money for Kim Inman and a few early birds.

The real business world does not allow for
"all winners and no losers". Never has, never
will.

Kim Inman launched a ponzi to make sure
he would be a "winner". So far, he has
succeeded. The more "losers" he suckered
in, the bigger winner he became.

[SaBoG]

I agree with littleroundman and surfer... from "conception" to "end-game" this has NEVER been anything else other than a SCAM. Inman has either convinced his wife and family to "get in on it" and help him deceive others, or he has had very little regard for the ones he's suppose to love and has duped them along with the rest of us. The latter, of course, would be the family's defense in court if the former actually took place. My own wife would beat me 'til Tuesday and kick me to the curb if I ever came to her and said "Honey, I just figured a way to con money out of the general public...you want in on some of this"?

The "end-game" is slow and deliberate. If it looks as if Inman's back is up against the wall.... you better believe that he has positioned for himself an exit door.

[boatman189]

The above is a little example of what
littleroundman was trying to get across.

There were no worthwhile proposals that
could have "fixed" what Kim Inman started.
There is no fix to a ponzi.

Without the ponzi aspect, Kim Inman would
have had no "business" to fix. Without
promising to double money every 60-90 days,
Kim would not have been able to suck millions
out of people.

Aside from the unregistered securities/WACs/
Reading Credits now being issued, the current
form is as close to a real business as they
have come. And look at the results.

With no guaranteed ROI, how many people
are spending thousands of dollars on Success
Through Advertising's "advertising"?

The product has always been a ruse just
to appear legitimate.

YMMSS-Success Through Advertising was a
scam from inception designed solely to make
money for Kim Inman and a few early birds.

The real business world does not allow for
"all winners and no losers". Never has, never
will.

Kim Inman launched a ponzi to make sure
he would be a "winner". So far, he has
succeeded. The more "losers" he suckered
in, the bigger winner he became.


While I agree with all that this is and was and will always be a scam and ponzi, there certainly were proposal's made if Kim were actually trying to succeed that would of at least given this a chance. Limiting payouts made chief among them,
However Kim is, was and will always be a scammer and it is Kim that doomed this enterprise.

[tweedledee]

To all of you who have been scammed by Ymmss, Sta, CSI, etc. Please make a new years resolution to not get involved with any more of these scams. I am 60 years old and have wasted a lot of hard earned, saved money on these programs because I believed in them.

Now I have to make up for my losses. It will not be easy but if I am to retire in 5 years, it means working harder, saving more, and doing without.

I have had enough.

learned to late but am wiser now.

tweedledee

[sisco50]

To all of you who have been scammed by Ymmss, Sta, CSI, etc. Please make a new years resolution to not get involved with any more of these scams. I am 60 years old and have wasted a lot of hard earned, saved money on these programs because I believed in them.

Now I have to make up for my losses. It will not be easy but if I am to retire in 5 years, it means working harder, saving more, and doing without.

I have had enough.

learned to late but am wiser now.

tweedledee

Why only five years? Can one even receive full benefit at age 65? I have been hearing about age 67 lately. I also hear that by the time I am 67 it will be age 72 for full retirement benefits. (few more years) Guess this isn't the thread to discuss this. Sorry to hear about your plight and hope all works out for you. :)

[Kim_Inmans_Butt]

Why only five years? Can one even receive full benefit at age 65? I have been hearing about age 67 lately. I also hear that by the time I am 67 it will be age 72 for full retirement benefits. (few more years) Guess this isn't the thread to discuss this. Sorry to hear about your plight and hope all works out for you. :)

It'll soon enough be "work til you drop dead".

Sad that none of these Internet programs ever come remotely close to fulfilling their promises. A life spent getting up early to go and report to some boss hardly seems like a life at all.

34 and hating every minute of it.

[Casandra]

It'll soon enough be "work til you drop dead".

Sad that none of these Internet programs ever come remotely close to fulfilling their promises. A life spent getting up early to go and report to some boss hardly seems like a life at all.

34 and hating every minute of it.
This is why I told my children to decide what they liked doing most in the world and try to build a career in that job arena. They still have to go to work every day, but at least it's to go do something that they love doing. All three are now computer programmers. Two of them write games for boxes. It's good to watch them now being relatively happy in life. They don't listen to much that I tell them, and none of them loved school, but that one lesson seems to have stuck.

Call me a happy momma!