question for watchdog about the lawsuit

[fed-up]

how can I join it. I have lost so much money on these sites!

[FightingBack]

Well I don’t believe you can join in on the lawsuit. You’d have to start your own.

But the way I see it, I've lost money, and gained money in these sites. Sometimes we just have to take responsibility for our own actions, bite the gun, and take our loses. We cannot always turn our heads and want to blame someone else, sue people left and right here and there.

As someone posted, I think it was Concerned, (not sure) but they said "What if you lit a match, started yourself on fire, and went to the doctor and they wouldn't help you."

That is 10x different than these situations you guys and gals are dealing with here. You are investing your money into a site, and you are not hurting yourself, and you will not die from this cause. As starting yourself on fire, that is more serious where you could die.

I think a lot of you (this is not aiming at you fed-up at all) need to grow up a little and take some responsibility for your actions. You lost money, boo-hoo. So have I in these sites, and I'm old enough to know that this was my fault! And I have chosen not to sue the 3 sites I invested in, because I know everything was on the site, and it was my fault. THe sites aren't making you join the site. It is totally up to you wether to join into the program or not.

I have not been posting on the forums as much because their dieing, and also because some these people need to grow up and open their eyes and take responsibility every now and then.

As for my closing statement, I have none. Just that I have invested, and lost. I now take responsibility for my actions, and have come out stronger in the end.

[MatrixWatch]

You do not have to "join" the lawsuit, since I am already acting as class representative, private attorney general. Everything is already being taken care of for you.

However, what would really help is that you:

1) Spread the word about the lawsuits and MatrixWatch.org to members in other forums.

2) Begin reporting matrix sites to the government agencies of they states that they operate from. Example: If a matrix site is operating in Tennessee, then mail a letter to the Consumer Affairs office, the Better Business Bureau, the Attorney General, etc. Contact me or one of the Moderators if you have questions about this. The more state authorities that we make aware of the matrix sites, the better.

3) Hang out here at Matrix Watch and keep current on the breaking news. There will be A LOT of updates in the coming weeks, so stay informed.

[MatrixWatch]

Originally posted by FightingBack
Sometimes we just have to take responsibility for our own actions, bite the gun, and take our loses. We cannot always turn our heads and want to blame someone else, sue people left and right here and there.

I think a lot of you (this is not aiming at you fed-up at all) need to grow up a little and take some responsibility for your actions. You lost money, boo-hoo. So have I in these sites, and I'm old enough to know that this was my fault!

Fighting Back,

I disagree with you. Matrix sites are a scam, and people usually are on the losing end when it comes to scams. They rarely get their money back, and the scammers get away with the loot.

In our case, we have caught these sites and so many are being sued that the customers have the chance to strike back. Yes, many will learn their lessons about "get rich quick" schemes, but fortunately for them, the learning experience will not be as hard this time. Don't worry Fighting Back, the cause that you defend will soon be dead. Your words will become a mockery to the rest of us who see the matrix sites for the scam that they are. All that you spend your energy defending will crumble to the ground and you will be heralded as one of those who blindly believed in a lie. The least you could do is give up on your shallow arguments devoid of all wisdom. Consumer laws are meant to protect people, even when the people make a mistake. You and the matrix supporters do not like that laws are set up to protect the customers, because it is those laws that prevent you from feeding your greedy hearts with the money of victims. You have no regard for the law. It is because people are not always able to make a 100% informed decision that organizations like Matrix Watch are here.

If you are so supportive if the matrix sites, then put your money where your mouth is. When the lawsuits win, and the customers get a letter to claim their money back, then why don't you just burn your letter and allow the matrix site to keep it. I know you won't do it. In fact, I bet that you and the other matrix supporters will collect on the proceeds of the lawsuits, and all the while you will speak evil of our cause here, and never give credit where credit is due.

[poorme]

Fighting Back, you should realise that the money that you win are others. You are ahead of them on the list and you take this privilege to get their money!!!!

I have a question for Watch dog :
Fed-up still can start his own lawsuit?

[fed-up]

I lost money on the design matrix and the single list when they shut down...2checkout.com refused the refund because they stated they were no longer doing business with the sites and therefore were no longer able to refund any money...

Those are only two of the sites that have done this. They keep telling you everything will be ok...just hang in there they say and when you do then in the end they take off close the site down and your money is gone.

I am just plain FED-UP with them!

[MatrixWatch]

I have heard about this kind of thing happening, and you will probably get nothing unless you sue. You may want to investigate your legal options. I have a small write up about this as a Main Menu option. Go ahead and read through that.

Filing a lawsuit will probably not cost you anything but a few moments to write your story and add up your total payments. The lawyer will take care of EVERYTHING from there. Depending on which state you live in, if you win your suit you will likely get all of your money back, and you may have the opportunity to file for a class-action lawsuit, and help everyone else get their money back too.

Send me a Private Message or an email if you have any further questions. 2Checkout is not being sued by any of us yet, so you would be a useful addition.


You may want to consider this.

[MatrixWatch]

Here is the "Legal Advice" page:

http://www.matrixwatch.org/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=1&s=&menu=5

By the way,
2Checkout has not completely stopped servicing matrix sites. They still aid and abet Matrix321.com.

[fed-up]

watchdog,

I live in California too but I am not in any financial position to pay for any legal assistance at all now. I have literally lost thousands of dollars on these sites. I am a single parent and unfortunately one of the die hards that waited patiently while being reassured that it would all be ok.

I am in a financial mess which I created myself, however the site owners bear the responsibility of lying, and running away instead of standing by me as I stood by them.

You know I was mad at you at first. I felt that if you had not started the suit then I would have cycled. But i now realize that if it hadn't been you it would have eventually been some one or something else that the site owners use as an excuse to run off with our money.

I understand now why you did what you did, I just wish I had the gumption to go after them and the finaces to do so but the truth is I don't have either and at least I can be honest about that.

Fed-up

[FightingBack]

...edited... I give up with this site.

"Eye's Only. The last free known voice in this city. This message will not last longer than 60 seconds, and cannot be traced. It IS the last freely spoken voice in this city."

A lot of you will not know where that is from. It's from a TV show, a very good one. What does it have to do with this? Well you will probably not know unless you have saw the show before.

[MaxPower]

Uh... I think watchdog is taking responsibility?... If my memory serves me correctly... he has a class action lawsuit going or something?:confused:

With this lawsuit he is showing that he is no punk or a push over that will let somebody try to steal the money that he and many others worked hard for. And I believe he has been consistantly winning with all the site closures and the increasing willingness of the payment companies to issue refunds... If it weren't for all the legal pressure from Watchdog I would probably never got my money back from Paysystems... as soon as I mentioned that I had knowledge of the lawsuit Paysystems immediately changed their opinion on refusing to issue me a refund.;)

[MatrixWatch]

Originally posted by fed-up
watchdog,

I live in California too but I am not in any financial position to pay for any legal assistance at all now.
Fed-up

Fed-up,
If you re-read my post and check out the "Legal Advice" page you will see that it will not cost you ANYTHING to file a lawsuit. Under California law, the attorneys can sue the Defendants separately for fees. It will not even cost you much time to do it. I would highly consider this if I were you, and you really have as much money "invested" as you say. Let me know if I can be of any further help.

[concerned]

To all the matrix supporters.

Can you not see who you are hurthing out there? It is innocent people like Fed-Up. A single parent that is trying hard to support a child ALONE. They get a FALSE sense of security with these sites. All that most of these parents want to do is get a nice gift for their kids, and they see these FALSE ADVERTISEMENTS and think about trying it. Then it fails on them, and all the rest of the people that have gotten their items turn their back on the others and say that they should have known better. It is always the same any time a new type of pyramid scheme introduces itself into society.

Fed-Up, reconsider taking legal action. Do it for all the others like you that were scammed. Watchdog hasn't spent a dime for his lawyer. It will be Ezexpo that will be paying for those fee. I sure hope that Watchdog takes up a lot of that lawyers time so that Shelby will know what it feels like to lose his money.

[fed-up]

**Typically, Mr. Wilens will represent the consumer in his or her dispute with the business a small or no initial fee , and will pursue litigation as necessary on a contingency fee basis. If the consumer is successful , he or she will be reimbursed for any initial legal fees.


I have lost the following:
Design matrix $25
The Single List $300
Dragonfire Software $500
Priority Matrix $170
Technoplaneta $400
Matrixcom $375
Kerry's Computers $450
Electro Plaza $250
EzExpo $490

there is more but I am tired of reminding myself how GALACTICALLY STUPID I WAS!!! I am so in debt that I do not think I will see the light of day for months...I cannot afford any fee at all at this point. My kids have to eat, but thank you for the advice.

[concerned]

Originally posted by fed-up
I am so in debt that I do not think I will see the light of day for months...I cannot afford any fee at all at this point. My kids have to eat, but thank you for the advice.

The website does say little or NO initial fees. It wouldn't hurt to email him and ask if the initial fee will be $0. He is already representing several others in cases exactly like yours so he has already done a lot of the leg work. Also, he might be representing someone that is already sueing those matrix sites. You will never know till you ask, and I'm sure that the email to him is FREE.

[spydrman]

Dang, your $2960+ lost in matrix sites is a lot compared to my $150. I thought that was a lot to lose!! The problem though is that I cycled and received nothing and it's all blamed on the lawsuit for freezing the funds. They (ezexpo) should have to pay for that out of their own pocket and get the frozen funds on their own time. That would be just to easy and a business debt for them. :eek: I wish we could all get refunds, but that's not going to be easy. Your odds are much better if you paid with a credit card. If you paid with a money order then you have to go through the owner. We all know how willing they are to give refunds!!! :o

[MatrixWatch]

fed-up,
Depending on which processors you used to pay these matrix sites, it is likely that you are being represented by a private-attorney general in one of the already-existing lawsuits. In other words, there are lawsuits that are already being fought so that you can get your money back. That is great news, and if the suit is successful, and we have good reason to be optimistic, the burden will be on the matrix sites and pay companies to get a letter out to you in order to give you restitution for what you paid. All we are saying is that it would be great if you could do the same for others by filing against a site and processor that has not been named yet. You would need to speak with an attorney first to see if you have a case, but if you do it then the lawyer will let you know if it will cost you money BEFORE you get into it, or sign anything. So don't worry. If you do not file a lawsuit, then I just don't know how you will get your money back from the sites that were processed through un-litigated sites. They will just have no obligation to give you a dime. Then again, they have already told you this, haven't they? You might want to just send that lawyer an email.