Info on Clayton L Parker - www.TheSamGroup.net

[proberts123]

I'm starting this thread to share with others that Clayton L Parker
is the Real Deal. I joined his Babypip's plans and after 90 days got paid back my entry and profit too. I received back some $4,300.00 and that's no Lie.
With the recent holidays behind us I sure could use this $$$ and I'm so
glad I entered his program even over the concerns of this forum. Why has the BAbyPips thread been locked..?
If others joined in BabyPIPS when I did I encourage them to share with others their experience with Clayton L Parker.

As for now.. I just want to THANK Clayton and his BabyPIPS plan for making my New Year one to remember.

THANKS :applause:

P Roberts

[Dreamer]

was that the person who promised to help others but disappeared? what do you hope some false testimonials will bring?

[sisco50]

I'm starting this thread to share with others that Clayton L Parker
is the Real Deal. I joined his Babypip's plans and after 90 days got paid back my entry and profit too. I received back some $4,300.00 and that's no Lie.
With the recent holidays behind us I sure could use this $$$ and I'm so
glad I entered his program even over the concerns of this forum. Why has the BAbyPips thread been locked..?
If others joined in BabyPIPS when I did I encourage them to share with others their experience with Clayton L Parker.

As for now.. I just want to THANK Clayton and his BabyPIPS plan for making my New Year one to remember.

THANKS :applause:

P Roberts


You'll have a hard time getting anyone here to buy that hogwash. Especially me! Has that one slowed down so much now that you have to come here to drum up interest? lol Not gonna happen! :)

[Ferret]

was that the person who promised to help others but disappeared? what do you hope some false testimonials will bring?
Hey Dreamer
Didn't Clayton priomise to give you $1000?
Did you comply with his terms?
What happened? Can you fill us in with the details

[Dreamer]

Yes, he did promise me $1000. Asked for my information, gave it to him. I believe this was back in september or august, or something. Never happened. so he said that I should look at the home page and I there was something there. So, i dont know if he entered my name into whtever he claims to be doing, but its been a few months and still nothing.

Not only did he offer me money, but he made claims of offering other people money. But soon after offering it he stopped coming back here.

[scgold]

Yes, he did promise me $1000. Asked for my information, gave it to him. I believe this was back in september or august, or something. Never happened. so he said that I should look at the home page and I there was something there. So, i dont know if he entered my name into whtever he claims to be doing, but its been a few months and still nothing.

Not only did he offer me money, but he made claims of offering other people money. But soon after offering it he stopped coming back here.

Dreamer, I'm not sure what your procedure was to get paid from Clayton and sorry you didn't get the $1,000. I had started talking with Clayton about the same time frame and I am "one of the other people he had offered money". Within the past week I had the $1,000 deposited as promised. So it worked for me and I'm not just being a cheerleader for the program. Just giving you what happened in my particular case.

From what I understand Clayton had been banned from Matrix Watch and the link was closed, so it wasn't possible for him to come back to your forum. I understand from Clayton that that is why no one from this forum had received any money.

In reading some of the reaction by members of this forum to those who had been helped by Clayton, I'm not sure if anything said or claimed will sway anyone's opinion of Clayton. All I can say is he was true to his word in my case and I thank him for that.

scgold

[Ferret]

My, my what a coincidence all you Clayton L. Parker boosters all sign up for
new accounts and singing his praises today lol lol lol :p

[Webwatch]

Clayton was banned for breaching forum rules.
But I don't believe Clayton/Believers membership here was a prerequisite to Dreamer getting paid.

The trouble with scammers like Clayton is no matter how clever he thinks he is all his schemes are scams and all we can expect now is a multitude of new members posting how great his schemes are.

So Clayton (If your watching ;) ) pay Dreamer the promised $1000 to shut me up, after all he was one of your first members.
My, my what a coincidence all you Clayton L. Parker boosters all sign up for
new accounts and singing his praises todayTheres still a couple more aol proxys floating around yet to sing Clayton praise's.

[concerned]

I'm starting this thread to share with others that Clayton L Parker
is the Real Deal. I joined his Babypip's plans and after 90 days got paid back my entry and profit too. I received back some $4,300.00 and that's no Lie.
With the recent holidays behind us I sure could use this $$$ and I'm so
glad I entered his program even over the concerns of this forum. Why has the BAbyPips thread been locked..?
If others joined in BabyPIPS when I did I encourage them to share with others their experience with Clayton L Parker.

As for now.. I just want to THANK Clayton and his BabyPIPS plan for making my New Year one to remember.

THANKS :applause:

P Roberts

Congratulations on SCAMMING other people sucessfully. Your parents must be proud.

[seeingeye]

QUOTE: Congratulations on SCAMMING other people sucessfully. Your parents must be proud. unquote:

This is why Dreamer is afraid to post he was paid. He implies comon sense in many post and it would make more sense to remain silent. If he filled out a application he was paid. If he didn't and is telling the truth, he isn't using the "comon sense" that he implies he has.

DID YOU FILL OUT AN APPLICATION? I would like to know. Simple questions sometime reveal the truth about a subject.

I was paid by the same group you are calling a scam and made my request using his means. My mom is proud of me because she got paid too. Money talks your bs is walking concerned.

Yes, I too have just registered at this site today and am nothing to Mr. Parker other than I'm in a program of his. I'm not promoting his plans because one doesn't get paid to solicit others. I was paid last earlier this month and am looking for another payment by the 10th. I'll be glad to give you updates if you wish, or you can criticize me and I'll move along.

I've participated in the chat along with other people and they claim to have been paid. So, when someone I read about claims they were not paid, I can't seem to bring myself to believe them. No one else around the forums claim non-payment in his group plans and he's looking for anyone that were scammed along with him and isn't hiding.

He is claiming to pay them if they were in a program that failed due to scammers. That doesn't fit into the characteristics of a scammer that you post about in your post. All scammers I know of have been arrested and are either in jail or hiding and Mr. CL Parker isn't hiding from anyone.

To me, and maybe I'm in the minority, that means something to me. And, I looked into his background way before I joined a plan and he has some very interesting ones. He has some very prominent references within his State.

The idea of achieving 35% in a program or trading or secret program or whatever you want to call them are achievable if you have a huminatarian situation to fund, but they won't let you own the world as this guy dreamer thinks. You are removed once it's funded. Then can use the project you funded to earn money if you are smart enough.

This individual I know used $500K to fund a 500 unit complex. After he got it funded, he started selling the unts and is doing very well now. That's how those programs work. They aren't secret, you need money and a project to fund. It's done all the time. What they make per month in percentage per month is compounded until the project is funded. If it earns 1% per month or 100% per month, it runs until the project has been funded. I believe 30% or so is normal in those type programs. Based upon the time my friend had his project funded, I reversed the numbers and came up with the 30% or so. That was proof enough for me.

I understand the background Mr. Parker claims he uses to fund the plans he has, and believe it is viable based upon my figures and estimates. The Trust holds the funds he sends as payments and those funds are earnings from the investments another person is involved in, not Mr. Parker. He has signatory authority to spend the money in the Trust. That's better than owning the money because he doesn't have to pay taxes on it.

As long as he stays within the limits of what he has to work with in the Trust I will stick with him. He is quite a different person than the picture that is painted of him here. I've talked to him on may occassions and haven't caught him in a lie yet.

Again, I HAVE been paid, and yes, my Mom is proud of me. And, I'm proud of her. She has a way now to pay for her medicare supplement insurance using his plan. Mr. Parker paid the annual premium and my Mom pays him monthly according to what she can afford. It's about 35% or so of the real premium the insurance company quoted her. He even said he would help with the co-insurance and deductable if that ever came into play and that gives her peace of mind.

Again, it's fine with me for you to criticize me. I won't return the favor.

Be sure to let me know if you made an application. I just want to know. I can't believe you when you say you weren't paid Mr. Dreamer. I'm a doubter and Mr. P proved himself to me through my own due dilligence. I called the sheriff's office right off the bat! He's rather well known in his hometown. His father was a justice of the peace and a rather high district judge went to school with him. He has several 18 wheelers leased on to a company in Belzoni, MS. I even called Mr. Spencer to verify it. The Sheriff went to school with him. Mr. Parker even knew the people who killed the civil right workers back in 1964. His best friend's father was the Sheriff at that time. You saw the movie "Mississippi Burning". Mr. Parker said it was nothing like the movie. The truth is known only to a small few and because he was the son of someone who knew all about it at the time, he too knows. Mr. Laurance Rainey was the Sheriff then and Cecil Price was the deputy, both he knew very well. I listened to his stories and enjoyed them very much.

The picture you paint of Mr. P isn't anything like what my due diligence revealed. Therefore it's hard for me to believe opinions and unfounded accuations and post against him. I don't let others cause me to miss out on what my own investigation reveals to be otherwise.

So, I thank Mr. C.L. Parker for his assistance in helping my Mom. Paying the annual premium up-front showed me and actually surprised me at first. Any criticism you shower at me will be deflected by what he did for me and my Mom. Let the arrows of criticism fly.

And, like I said, I did some research to make sure it was not a ponzi or matrix or gifting scheme before I let my mom join. You can call the attorney general of Mississippi if you want. His law firm is probably more prominent that the attorney general's office. Those elected officials come and go. His law firm has been around for almost 50 years and in the same city as the AG's office.

Mr. Parker has his ducks in a row.

Marshall

[Dreamer]

Why are you bothering anymore? Of course we dont believe your lies. Even if you were part of that scam, why would you come over here to give a testimonal? Why not leave your testimonal on one of his sites instead? The very nature of posting a testimonal of a scam on an anti-scam site shows

Now were you part of the 1 person group meeting that said i was ungreatful bastard, or whatever, and didnt deserve any money cuz i called a scammer a scammer after waiting for him to be good on his word 4 months later?

I'm not even going to bother anymore. I've exposed clayton for the scammer that he is and there is nothing here that says otherwise, besides a whole bunch of new people with no credibility posting fake testimonals.

I'm scared to admit i got money? Nope. If he ever makes good on his word, i'll post it here. I dont think i'll be posting again on this stupid scam again.

[sisco50]

It does seem a waste of time just reading this thread now let alone posting. :(

[littleroundman]

Methinks yon "seeingeye" doth protesteth too much.

[Gringo]

The idea of achieving 35% in a program or trading or secret program or whatever you want to call them are achievable if you have a huminatarian situation to fund, but they won't let you own the world as this guy dreamer thinks. You are removed once it's funded. Then can use the project you funded to earn money if you are smart enough.
I'm not sure what you exactly mean by "fund". Are you talking about borrowing, investing or what? The Clayton scam involves a ponzi if he is representing that 35% return per month is possible with no risk. There is no investment vehicle that produces that kind of return. And if there was, it wouldn't be offered via HIYP internet sites.
This individual I know used $500K to fund a 500 unit complex. After he got it funded, he started selling the unts and is doing very well now. That's how those programs work. They aren't secret, you need money and a project to fund. It's done all the time.Your right, real estate development isn't a secret, but that's not what Clayton's secret 35% monthly return was. He stated it was a trading method.
I believe 30% or so is normal in those type programs. Based upon the time my friend had his project funded, I reversed the numbers and came up with the 30% or so. That was proof enough for me.
Proof enough for what? Clayton's secret program was all about some sort of stock/forex/financial vehicle trading. The money that he is passing out is bait to attract attention and get people to put money into his ponzi.

[seeingeye]

Gringo, I'm correcting this entry and explained in the post below to help you undestand.

No, the money he is passing out is not bait, but money designated to be given away straight out of The Believers Trust. He can't use any other money to "bait" people with. He must use the trust funds and work within the limits of it. The only money people receive comes directly from the trust. It can't possibly be a ponzi scheme because he can not legally pay anyone any money, and he doesn't. If that's "bait" money, I'm hooked!

I just got off the chat and talked to Clayton. He stuck to his story and I haven't seen anything he said to contridict. It only clarified what was said in the past.

You missed the point when I said that was proof enough for me. I was talking about my friend that used one of the programs to fund his project and using reverse numbers came up with 30%. It was proof enough that 30% programs exist and not using Clayton's.

I think I explained the percentage items below in a post.


Marshall

[Arzel]

Your observation is in error. What's a "pozi"?

Marshall

Its actually "Ponzi" not "pozi". Basically it is an investment scheme by which initial investors are paid primarily through later investors. Eventually the scheme reaches a point where it is impossible to recruit enough new investors to pay off earlier investors and the scheme collapses.

These types of schemes are very popular on the internet, and typically have a substaintial number of early winners (ie you and a few others) to proclaim the legitimacy of the scam. These people help promote the scam to others, however eventually the system must fail. To put it lightly, there is no investment opportunity that will provide returns of this level without substantial risk. As Dreamer and others have pointed out; if there were such legitimate low or no risk investments, then they would be well known and everyone would be doing them. This is simplistic explanation, but a simply understanding of finances will show that these types of schemes simply cannot work over long periods of time, and without substantial risk.

I don't fully understand the entire scam of Clayton's (there are a few important aspects which he has failed to reveal), but it is quite obvious that whatever he is doing it is both likely illegal and doomed to failure. He previous history as a proclaimed scammer should also be enough evidence.

[Gringo]

Your observation is in error. What's a "pozi"?Typo, corrected to "ponzi".

What exactly about my observation is in error?

[seeingeye]

Hello Gringo,

Well, I read your first part and didn't read the rest when I saw you said 35% per month is not realistic.

I may not be in an investment, but using The Believers Trust that holds funds to be given away and is receiving funds on a monthly basis to be given away, your post is in error of understanding the concept.

You see, if I have $35,000 to give away as my tithe and put it into an account. and I tell someone I'll help you if you will show me you want to help yourself by giving you 35% per month on your money.

Since I could collect from 10 people $10K and pay them $3,500 each and every month. Now since $35,000 is the amount placed into the account to give away, I would have the use of $100K then and there and pay them $350,000 over the next 10 months.

Do you see?

Let's suppose I need to borrow $1K for some purpose. And let's suppose my tithe is $350 per month from my regular income. I could borrow from someone the $1K and use the "tithe" funds to pay him back over say 10 months. It's a good investment for him, but it wasn't an investment was it?

That's a simple explaination and I wouldn't use my tithe funds to pay a bill.

It's in a sense how the plans are set up and based upon limitation he has in using the trust funds. He MUST give away the money in the trust. He can get to the principal in the investment ventures, but by doing so, he is spending money that is "breeding" offspring at the rate of 1 every 3 or 4 months. Why not let YOU give him the same amount and let the money in the venture continue "breeding". He got to spend the money, and once the offspring paid you back, he still had the mother and daughter working in the breeding grounds.

It was so new to me when I first read it, I was confounded. But I awoke one morinng and slapped my forehead and said, "I could have had a V8"! Then in the same sentence I said, "that's brilliant"! He is using money that he can get to to remain working while he spends it. The person he took it from let him have it with no recorse, and the trust sent the "milk" or "tithe" to the trust to pay the person back. The trust lost nothing as it only gave away the "milk" (tithe), the "breeders" didn't lose an animal, and Clayton got to spend the money and with no loss at the "breeding grounds".

Gringo, you keep going back to something that doesn't relate to the 35% that you keep referring to. The "breeders of the principals assets" do what they do over the time frame they do it in. They ONLY send a certain amount to The Believers Trust earmarked to be given away! What's in the trust is all that counts. Do you see that? Forget about what the "breeders" are doing. Just FORGET IT! The "breeders" bread money. That's all they do other than send the "milk" 'tithe' to the trust to be given away.

ALL you need to understand is, as long as Mr. P is remaining within the limits of the Trust to give away those funds, the plan will continue. It just will.

At the time the trust funds are no longer available, the "breeders" will return the animal form their offshore breeding grounds to the one that gave it to Mr. P in the first place onshore.

You keep referring to a 35% investment. Where did that come from anyway. I would presume it was in error from the beginning. Forget it! It has nothing to do with the "milk" or 'tithe' that is given away. NOTHING.

That is the "breeding" grounds where it is bred over a time table. That has no relationship to the "milk" 'tithe' that is being GIVEN away that is sent to the trust on a monthly basis.

So, if I have a 1,000 gallons of milk to give away and tell you I'll give you 350 galons per month if you give me $1,000 dollars. You have in essence paid 35 cents for a $1 gallon of milk in ADVANCE. Mr. P is selling a future product and getting to keep the ANIMAL that produced the product PLUS THE COST OF THE PRODUCT (THAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE THROWN AWAY) after you have received the product you purchased at a greatly reduced price. The "breeders" are breading animals, and the by-product generated is of no value to them. (The "milk" 'tithe' must be thrown away by the "breeders"). Mr. P turned it into a profit for everyone that participated.

Do you see Gringo? The 35% or 25% or whatever percent that is sent to a depositor is not earnings, it's only a way for the depositor to figure using investment language how much "milk" 'tithe' he or she will receive. It has NOTHING to do with investments of a secret nature or otherwise. Absolutely NOTHING.

I talked to Mr. P and asked what trading method generated 35% per month. His reply was, "I have no idea. I accept the funds sent to the trust and give them away at 25% to 35% or more based upon the limits of the money that is there to give away".

I restated my question to mean the principal ventures. He said, "I have use of $3.4M, and I can remove any portion from that $3.4M and take it out of trade (I'm paraphrasing here) but if I do, I will be taking money out of something I can't get put back in, so I let it remain there. I then ask people to send me money that I can't legally pay them back, but will direct the trust to give them the "milk money" (tithe) funds that have to be given away at 25% of what they give to me. I have over $1.6M there now waiting to be disbursed, but I don't have anyone qualified to give it to according to the stipulations of the trust and my authority to do so."

He went on to say and again, I'm paraphrasing that their deposit was guaranteed because he could call from the ventures the exact amount that he didn't call in the first place. Also, he is within the limits of the trust and hasn't nearly accepted deposits that would come close to what the trust would owe according to their deposit. Yes, it's secured, guaranteed, and safe even for you Mom. People can not comprehend it, and it's a shame.

Yep! I see it here. I'm trying my best to help you to understand.

If monies are generated from whatever, and are set aside to be given away. Then on a monthly basis, he could give away to many people those monies and still have the same amount he has in his hand to spend working. When it generates enough to repay the principal, he still has both it and the funds that generate it on hand to do it all over again at TWICE the same thing he did in the first place.

The longer this plan runs, the longer it will run because it is doubling as it goes along. It's like breading RATS, but what good are they if you aren't selling cat skins. I asked him to tell me about that. It was funny.

Really Gringo, the 'returns' (to explain only) that a depositor is getting is not investment returns. It is just a way using "investment language" to determine what the depositor will get out of the funds to be given away out of the trust. If he had $10K in the trust, he could give ONE depositior with $1,000 - 1,000% or TEN depositors 100%. Do you see the percentage is irrevelent since their REWARD (not return) is derived from the LIMITS OF THE TRUST to give away funds. It never was an investment. Do you see.

Please let me answer your questions ...

Marshall

[Ferret]

It seems that Clayton L Parker of "The Believers Trust" is up to his old tricks

Clayton promised to give money to people at this forum
http://stacontact.myfastforum.org/Offer_of_HELP_to_50_individuals_about234.htm

It seems the "cavemen" that hang around matrix-watch are bitting at the bits to see me not perform. And, I would be a FOOL if I started this, and knew that I couldn't perfrom..

Why should I reveal to morons where the funds come from? They would only trip over themselves trying to find something illegal about it.

WITH NO DEPOSIT, and I can assure you I WILL NEVER ASK YOU FOR A DEPOSIT .... EVER! If you make a deposit, you will have to sign a document that you acquired competent counseling and the deposit would be made under these terms: SPEND YOUR MONEY AND KISS IT GOODBYE BECAUSE I WILL NEVER PAY YOU BACK!

If I paid you back, a cavemen would say ... PONZI ....

If I took your money and sent it offshore, another caveman would say ... Investment.

All funds derived and sent to me onshore are spent by me.. onshore. I do not sell you anything, nor are you required to do anything to receive the REWARDS distributed by the trust located offshore. Tell me, PLEASE, sometell me, what part of: SPEND YOUR MONEY AND KISS IT GOODBYE is a security? I want to know. The legal team I consulted said there is NOT a security involved in my program.

It's not complicated as cavemen make it out to be.


Joined: 10 Mar 2007
Posts: 30
Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 6:55 am Post subject:

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THE OFFER IS NOW CLOSED!

The 36 individuals will share in the $300,000.00 that was allotted for this project on a pro-rata basis.

Thank You Admin for allowing me to make this offer and help the very few people that took me up on it.

I have done my duty according to the principal owner of the trust funds. She said to pull the offer and not allow "those idiots" as she calls them to join. You know who I'm talking about.

I wish I could have acquired a full 50, but unfortunately it didn't happen. It only means more for the fortunate few who did join.

Thanks Again Admin, Clayton


cl8ton
Joined: 10 Mar 2007
Posts: 30
Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 8:26 pm Post subject:

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You might better know your comments will come back to haunt you when we start paying folks. It's not me that's going to look like the FOOL. I'm not here to make myself a FOOL like your moronic caveman comments will shortly make you look like.

By the way, it is folks like you that caused us to close the program early. We wanted to add to your FOOLISHNESS by using you as the excuse to not allow others to join.

I'm sure you will feel the heat come the middle of May.

You can call me anything you want, but when you call the NON-INVESTMENT plan a SCAM, I'll jump down your throat and make you out to be the FOOL that you are.

Because it was post like yours that caused us to close early, you have already created victims by their loosing out. Some have made request to have them added which is not possible due to circumstances caused by idiots like you that made negative post. We didn't want you to participate in any recovery, so before you saw the light, we closed the program with only 37 instead of 50 members.

And, we adjusted the recovery amount based upon a $2K limit X 3 = $6K maximum which is now 2.777 times higher for a GROSS $16,660.00 maximum. Yes, because of you, those who got in will be rewarded much more. So, some will thank you, others will say you are a FOOL that caused them through circumstance to not be able to enter.

YES, this is a JOKE! It's on you.

It cost them nothing to join ... no deposit ... no investment ... no nothing!

So, can you tell the nice folks where the SCAM is you so freely talk about. Or is it just a caveman opinion? Where is the victim ... And, tell the people why you call me a scammer? Make another post and ....
My advice, "it is better to remain with your mouth closed and appear a FOOL, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"! In this case, make a post. UPPS! It's too late now isn't it?
Any questions,

Call
Clayton L. Parker
616-802-XXXX Post your phone number ... why not ... FOOL!



Joined: 10 Mar 2007
Posts: 30
Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 9:20 pm Post subject:

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Thank You. Your point is made.

But, the FOOL(s) will be revealed when the victims are paid ... or not!

Who do you think will be the FOOL? Would you like to make a bet?

They are still cavemen... my dog Speck told me to say that! So, I do seek his advise on important issues. Who do you think cavemen seek advice from ... no one! ... well, at least I sought advise, didn't I?

The STAy plan is closed, but the other one is open. I have so much money to give away and so few that can qualify for it, it's hard to do my duty. I will guess in a couple of months when the FOOLs are made out to be what they are .. one way or the other ... it will be easier for me to be taken serious.

I plan to use this link and links at matrixwatch.org to make my point. And, believe me, I will rub it in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have at least 37 on my side rooting for me to not be made out the FOOL. I kind of like the Clayton the Caveman name though. But, since I have Speck to seek advise from, unlike Cavemen who don't seek such advice, it takes me out of the "caveman" category. Hey, it's so easy a caveman can do it! Well, if they would, but they won't! So, what can I say?

You might take a look at the SCAM Advocate plan I got permission to set up for other victims.

MAN! If this turns out to be real, what are the cavemen to do to find fault in my "silly little scam"! Can they then live down their moronic caveman opinions from the past ... and so many of them? It will be very interesting to see ... now you, a nice guy ... Koolaid" may find it interesting too. You are always welcome to join any plan I have ... Speck told me to tell you that since you didn't call him a Caveman ...! And, you acknowledged his existence which others fail to do when addressing me on a forum. It shows you have some "belief" in what I say, even if it's in Speck's existence. And, I have no reason to lie!

I think this is so much FUN! It's going to be more fun, and we will have FUN FUN FUN when daddy takes your T-Bird away!
_________________
Clayton L. Parker, Signatory Authority over
The Believers Trust & TheSAMGroup.net



This is his current website with the offers details if you
can follow the very confused layout
http://bondedinvestingiii.homestead.com/STAy.html

It seems that the program started on May 1st and Clayton was
supposed to make his first payment yesterday

I must first get past the Patriot Act, and the SEC ... otherwise, the plan will never get to start. If we fall behind in the pay date I will make it up as soon as possible. That is IF we start at all.

Its very hard to follow but it looks like cl8ton hasn't even sent
anyone the debit card yet let alone the first payment
Colon End Parenthesis didn't seem to have Claytons problems yet.....

It is looking like the "cavemen" at MatrixWatch were right yet again :p

Anyone who was supposed to be paid by Clayton can post here

[Ferret]

Sounds like Clayton is back peddling...

FOR THOSE LIVING OUTSIDE

THE UNITED STATES





By the end of April you will receive a MASTER CARD with the

name "The Believers Trust" on it for you to withdraw your money

from any ATM around the world. Once you have withdrawn your

last payment, you will return the DEBIT CARD back to us to send

to someone else that may join the "non-investment" program that

will be an ongoing plan indefinitely.



We do not require you to do anything except return the card back

to us. You can then go your own way with our blessing.



TAKE YOUR MONEY AND RUN!



The next time you want to participate in a program you will know

where to make your inquiry. There is no need to risk your money

in SCAMS promoted at sites like TALKGOLD.COM when you

can make a "non-investment deposit" that is callable at any time

you might need it before the program starts.



300% IN 180 DAYS ='s 200% NET



Once your FREE PLAN is completed, you can then and only

then make a "non-investment deposit" in our BI-iii plan. It

will net you 200% in 180 days paid directly to you from the

trust that holds the funds to be given away to folks like you.



Please tell others about us at sites like talkgold.com so we

can help potential victims of their SCAMS not lose their

money. It's our goal to be the best and only program that

anyone would ever want to join.

May 1, 2007

UPDATE

I am finalizing the debit card payment method for everyone. It is taking me longer because I MUST meet with the entity that issues the cards so as to PROVE the trust is a legal entity and I can conform to the Patriot Act.

All of the legal aspects that I must prove as well as the delay caused by the SEC has caused this "one man show" to be delayed some.

BUT THE GOOD NEWS IS:

I will not be delayed after I get all of these minor details resolved, and I will make the disbursement of the funds on schedule or as soon after the paydate as I can and will make additional payments to get on schedule and end the program

at the 180 day mark as planned.

ONE FACT: No one can keep me from disbursing the funds set aside to be given away, it's just that I MUST have a means of transferring the funds. As you know e-gold.com is not and was not going to be a means that I would use to make get the funds sent to each of you regardless of where you lived.

The government has indited e-gold.com which you can read about at their site. I knew in advance of this so I chose not to use them when I was designing the program. Many of you were disappointed in that fact, but I chose not to argue with anyone and "do it my way". Now you can understand. And, yes it did cause some delays which I am still dealing with and will have resolved HOPEFULLY before the 15th when the first scheduled disbursement is to be made.

NOTHING will hinder the program in the future because the trading entity that I am using is acquiring a law firm that knows about fed run programs and will assist me in my future dealings with the SEC and others that may need to be convienced of the legality of my program. I have a very good standing with the trading entity, and it is as hard for them to find folks like me as it is for someone to find a real trading entity. Thus, once the two meet, we work together to resolve all issues that may arise and cause problems.

I will be meeting with the trading entity late this month. At that time, I will also make a trip to the offshore bank that holds the trust funds and set-up the method with them for transfer of the funds.


Over the next 180 days, the plan is to disburse upwards of $1M to various groups and individuals. Some will have made small deposits with me, and some will not have made any deposits with me what-so-ever.

MY THEORY

Find and help those who need help in some financial way, and those people will refer people to me who have millions to place and want to fina a real person that can help them get the funds placed into a real trading entity. Therefore, I am willing to show many that what I have designed and set up is real even at a cost of $1,000,000.00 directly from the trust. Besides, those funds are to be given away regardless. I've just set it up to give an added benefit to my program.

Thank You

I must thank you for putting up with me and my attitude in many aspects of what you read. I have to deal with morons frequently and to let off some steam, I tend to vent it toward those who do not have OUR best interest at heart. Those that think something is illegal and that there is "money laundering" some place in my program are way out in left field. How can it be? If the funds in a bank are not CLEAN, what entity can I use that would have a more highly regarded reputation? E-gold.com is being attacked.


WATCH FOR YOUR DEBIT CARD IN THE MAIL


Like I said, I am finalizing the means to get each of you paid. It is not easy to get it all done. But, those who know me, know that I am determined to set the structure up and do what I have been working toward for over 15 years.



I'll keep you informed as time goes by and it will be very soon that it will all be in place.


Please be patient and I'll get it done before the 15th of May.


If you need to talk to me, call me after 9:00PM weekdays or any time on the weekends. I do keep the Sabbath (Saturday). And, the next Holyday is May 27th which is on a Sunday; so, both Saturday and Sunday that weekend I may not be available by phone.


FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTION

I get asked quite a bit about deposits. As you already know, I do not have a SPEND TO link at any of the web pages. You have to submit an application with your intent as well as send an e-mail to the SEC stating your intentions before I will approve it. Then, I will give you the preferred way to make the deposit.


Please note: I do not need deposits in my program. I allow it so I will know how much of the tithe funds out of God's account to send to you. You get 3 to 1 in blessings. I get your deposit and give it away in MY HOMETOWN, and send you 3 times that for you to give away in YOUR HOMETOWN.


Watch this link and I'll keep you updated.



The program has started. The first disbursement will be on the 15th or the 136th day of 2007.



May God BLESS you as he promised in his Holy Word.



BELIEVE ... Luke 6:38



Clayton L. Parker, Signatory Authority over

The Believers Trust & The SAM Group, Company

616-802-4477 Cell Phone



P.S. I will be traveling extensively by the end of the month. I may even stop by your hometown and give you a call. Watch for me. I'll set up a web cam page so you can know where I am and what I am doing as I travel around the nation and the world.

[concerned]

FOR THOSE LIVING OUTSIDE

THE UNITED STATES





By the end of April you will receive a MASTER CARD with the

name "The Believers Trust" on it for you to withdraw your money

from any ATM around the world. Once you have withdrawn your

last payment, you will return the DEBIT CARD back to us to send

to someone else that may join the "non-investment" program that

will be an ongoing plan indefinitely.



We do not require you to do anything except return the card back

to us. You can then go your own way with our blessing.



TAKE YOUR MONEY AND RUN!


Your kidding me right? Hmmmmmm, what would stop someone from just writing the number down, and using it on the internet with someone else's money, since the number, expiration data, and security codes won't change? How dumb are these people?

[Ferret]

Your kidding me right? Hmmmmmm, what would stop someone from just writing the number down, and using it on the internet with someone else's money, since the number, expiration data, and security codes won't change? How dumb are these people?

So true, but it seems that there aren't any cards or money so
I guess it won't be an issue as Clayton made it all up

It was one big "Fairy" tale and we all know that Clayton hates "Fairys" lol :p

Too bad his fellow "fairy hater" Jerry Falwell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Falwell) died yesterday

[Webwatch]

I do not need deposits in my program. I allow it so I will know how much of the tithe funds out of God's account to send to you.
Surely if God has a bank account she should be able to manage getting a Debit card out.

I wonder if she deposited $1, 4.5 Billion years ago what that would be worth now with all the interest.

If anyone does get hold of Gods debit card it might be a good idea to keep the pin number secret as there could be serious repercussions.

[Dreamer]

I couldnt stand reading his dribble. He just rambles on and on. Apparently the bankers and lawyers in jail didnt bother telling him when he scams people to keep it simple. I dont know if he changed his story yet again, but now his newest spin on his silly site (that he cant afford to get real hosting for) is that he was in jail for 1.5 years protecting someone else. What an angel this truck driver is! First he admitted to getting caught up with that scam, and now he is protecting someone else. To me, it takes a greater scumbag to take the rap for a scumbag and do their jail time and let them roam out there. Thats if you believe this lie.

[Litigator]

I enjoy the humor he posts at his site about you folks. Keep it up.

[RN1027NJ]

Clayton is a liar.He said he wpould send me $833.10 on the 15th of this month past and he has'nt.Promises yes but nothing happens.

Robert N.

[Litigator]

This is so much fun.

No need for you to reply I see.

http://bondedinvestingiii.homestead.com/STAy.html

Ouch! $16,660.00

[sisco50]

I just love the big red letters. Someday I am going to learn how to do that. In over 25 years of using computers I never saw a need for that before. :)

[gerd]

I am one on the list to be paid in June!
I put in some efforts to keep up with
the website. It surely works!
I just love it! And will continue my
membership because I am a BELIEVER!
Thank you Clayton!
GH

[Webwatch]

Thanks gerd.
Keep on Believing.
If that fails don't worry there was nothing to believe in the first place.

[Ferret]

So its June, has Clayton L Parker mailed any
checks out yet?

Has anyone from his SLS been paid yet?

Or was that June 2008? lol :p

[Litigator]

Do you have any facts other than what he post at his current news page?

http://babypips.homestead.com/Enter.html

Also, can you elaborate on his SLS as you call it? The regulators would be very interested if you have anything of substance that can be proven.

Please step forward with facts and proof that you have and make it known for everyone to see. The SEC failed to take action after he was referred to them by this forum admin. I guess you should call it PLS instead of SLS. P is for "perfect" if facts and proof aren't presented to prove otherwise.

I am extremely interested in facts and proof if you can please provide it to all of us watching this program develop.

I see that you have already made it in his Hall of Cavemen link.

[Ferret]

Hey Litigator
Knock off the bad acting......
We all know that you are Clayton L Parker

You are not fooling anyone

[Litigator]

Answer the questions why don't you Ferret?

Is it bacause you are jealous of someone helping others that you yourself won't ... I mean can't do?

Contribute something useful to the thread and bring forward a victim or fact or proof of something so your comments will be meaningful. OH! I see, you can't?

insult removed by administrator always have that problem. They criticize those honest enought to help victims of scams and they themselves offer nothing except to criticize them to make themselves look good. Regular folks can see right through that.

Now, do like a good little Ferret and call the regulators and tell them Clayton is running a scam and you have proof to show them. Do your duty now and get it done so you won't look like a fool when Clayton does send money to those who did not send him any money to help some who spent more than they could afford to lose. You had better hurry! The update at the current news site does show some urgency on your part to stop it before it done.

OH! But, someone did call the SEC, and they did nothing! So now what should you do to cover yourself from looking like a fool.

You certainly don't want to be considered a fool by not being able to prove Clayton's progam is a scam now do you? Especially since you are one of them that claimed it to be all along. Time is running out! You had better think of something qucik.

I enjoy this. Please answer the questions imposed to you, otherwise you will continue to look like someking of insult removed by administrator - 1 infraction point to the more astute folks.

[Webwatch]

Litigator,
Claytons SLS or PLS or whatever you call it (both abbreviations end in scam anyway) have been going on for almost a year now and still no one convincing has come forward and said they have been paid.

We don't need to prove Claytons schemes are a scam as it would be like trying to prove that the sun is warm, or that God is a Female, its basic commonsense, as a religious person Clayton should know this.

What Clayton can't seem to get past is the neccesity to try and have a dig at members of Matrixwatch, its seems to be some sort of block that prevents him moving forward in life-As a famed caveman I only have myself to blame really for this.
Every scheme he concocts has some mention of us and still he can't realise how counterproductive that is.

All Clayton has to do is pay Dreamer the $1000 as promised and job done.

Why is this so difficult, is it perhaps because he has no cash to pay out. After all this time thats the way its looking.

[Ferret]

Answer the questions why don't you Ferret?

Is it bacause you are jealous of someone helping others that you yourself won't ... I mean can't do?

Contribute something useful to the thread and bring forward a victim or fact or proof of something so your comments will be meaningful. OH! I see, you can't?

Do your duty now and get it done so you won't look like a fool when Clayton/Litigator does send money to those who did not send him any money to help some who spent more than they could afford to lose. You had better hurry! The update at the current news site does show some urgency on your part to stop it before it done.

I enjoy this. Please answer the questions imposed to you, otherwise you will continue to look like someking of insult removed by administrator - 1 infraction point to the more astute folks.
Hey Clayton

From my understanding of your very large brown
text on top of the regular text on your website you
first claimed to get a debit card to the list of names
there by May 1st

Did that happen? yes/no

You claimed you would pay the list on the 15th May

Did that happen? yes/no

The new fairy story seems to be claiming to be
sending a check to the list for the full amount
in June [(2007)thanks for the fast update litigator]

Has that happened yet? yes/no

I understand that it is only June 5th but your
track record is a little Spotty or should I say Specky?

So when will you be mailing the checks?
The clock is ticking.......tick , tock.......
or will MW be hearing some new excuse soon?

PS: When you write a letter do you ever write over
an old letter with larger brown print or do you use
a new fresh piece of paper?

is it a new secret google SEO technique?

Thanx for Hall of Shame mention......

PPS: I wouldn't waste my time calling the SEC about
you as any astute person will never BELIEVE you

[Dreamer]

The problem with acting against clayton, is he really isnt technically scamming anyone. Nobody is foolish enough to fall for his scam. Thats why he loves all of us so much, because we are the only ones talking about him. When he got banned from other forums he would give his childish name calling to them also.

So, to a truck driver, thats all he's good for...just trying to be a big man on the net, hiding behind anomisity, hoping there is people gulliable enough to believe his little lies

But even little children are more creative with their insults. People are poopy heads for so long until they become someone else, where, we are still just cavemen.

Yes, clayton, your not running a scam, because in order to scam people you need to actually get people to believe your lies. You're a failure in that regards also. If you were even remotly successful you wouldnt bother coming here.

So, why do you come here? why do you pretend to be someone? I gave you the opportunity to find anybody on this planet that has internet access that can give an honest testimonal whos word can be trusted. Nobody has come forward. This all started because you promissed me money and people here remembered that promise. You still havent made good on your word. If you sent it, guess what...you might finally get some credibility.

And, not only that, but why do you mention us even? Do you not realize that nobody here cares about you? Nobody here talks about you when you dont post here? So, all you end up doing is bumping up your own threads so those who might want to know more about you see what a loser you are. If you just stopped posting here and stopped linking us to your scam site then maybe you would have a better chance at scamming people.

See, this is how it works. Smarter people will not take what you write on ur page as fact. There is no reason to. You can make up anything you want, like you do, so there is no reason to believe you. So, they find sites like this, they read what we have discussed and they see how childish you present yourself.

I feel bad for you, so im gonna help you out on your scam.

1. Pay me the money you promissed me. You'll get a testimonal from me, and that should be good enough for the people here to know you paid someone something.

2. Stop talkiing about us, talkgold, ro anywhere else you got banned. People arent stupid enough to think they are getting the other side of the story when seeing ur responses. It really makes you look bad.

3. Stop posting places. People aren't buying your scams. Use your time to do something more productive.

4. If you are actually likeable you might get people to believe you and you might be able to scam them. You do not have a likable personality, so thats why you are struggling trying to scam anyone.

[Litigator]

Well, Dreamer, if you weren't a ...censored ... 1 point ... and the rest of you weren't ... insult removed 1 point .... then it would be different.

... insult removed 2 points ... cross-dressed. Your too-too is .. insult removed 3 points ...

In the future don't ... insult removed 10 points ... and it would give you more credibility in regard to ... insult removed 50 points.

Until then, best to you.

[dbmata]

dear god, this guy is like a insult removed by administrator...

insult removed by administrator - 1 infraction point I've been watching this thread on the side, but all of this Clayton's guys actions, when added to his statements really make it hard for me to feel bad for anyone that he's fleeced.

If you can't see through HIS crap, I've got a bridge for sale.

[concerned]

If you can't see through HIS crap, I've got a bridge for sale.


I've got the water to sell the person that buys the bridge so they can put it under the bridge.

I also have free dirt for $50, and lots of other free items that cost between $10-$1000.

[Litigator]

demata you are a ... compliment removed ... 1/2 point ...(it wasn't a very good compliment anyway).

concerned, you need to ... compliment removed ... 1/4 point (it was even less than expected from me). Your ... censored ... 0 points (isn't worth mentioning) will be the next big ... deleted ... for moral reasons ... 10 coupons worth 1C each....

Both of you need to ... yuck! not worth knowing ... 10 points ... and when you are through don't forget to ... blocked - 1 point... at the awards function.

Haven't any of you gotten any points yet? I'm racking um up and guess who is getting the blame. It's ... deleted - 500 points for name calling ...

Maybe ... name deleted ... will ban me for refusing to break the forum rules. That should make everyone happier. You see, it takes away from ... Mr. REMOVED - 2 points and REMOVED - 15 points ... thread which is much more interesting.

I'll answer all replies to the thread. If you want to help keep it on top, please respond. It's up to you!

[dbmata]

Hey, I got a point for calling a spade a spade. Sweet.

If that minor statement is enough to garner an infraction point... well, this might not be the place for someone as blunt as myself.

Best of luck to you all.

Clayton/ Litigator, I pity you, almost as much as the people whose time you waste.