Iam new and i am matrix admin!

[GoldWorkshop]

Hello,
I just found this forum few days ago :)

I am a matrix admin and n my siggy you can see the matrix that I have built myself!

I got the script and customized it so all members can promote many other programs when they promote their referral page!
I need to make a new design now :D
I hope I will find matrix lovers here at this forum :applause:

oh yes, my name is Luka Moskatelo and I live in Rijeka, Croatia!

[Webwatch]

Hello GoldWorkshop you may have made an error as to what site you have posted this scam on.
I hope I will find matrix lovers here at this forum You may do but only because we love to alert everyone that they are a scam.

Lets see how yours works then:
According to our 7 x 7 forced matrix plan you will earn $1 from every member in your downline 7 levels deep. You can earn max $960,799.00 if you fill your matrix! Asa help you will recive upline's and system's spillover.Same old rubbish & spillover toolol but at least we can warn others about your Matrix/Pyramid Scheme.

[GoldWorkshop]

Hello GoldWorkshop you may have made an error as to what site you have posted this scam on.
You may do but only because we love to alert everyone that they are a scam.

Lets see how yours works then:
Same old rubbish & spillover toolol but at least we can warn others about your Matrix/Pyramid Scheme.

Are you saying that I am a scam!
A scam is a man who steals your money!

I don't steal money, but yes I run a pyramid scheme, what's wrong with payramid? You probably don't know how to get referrals :D

So go ahead, warn people around the net that I am scam!
There are 1 000 000 000 ... let me know when you want 1/1000 of them!

And thank you for your nice welcome ... you probably have nothing smarter to do then to yell around!

Oh and sorry if you are being victimized around the net ... maybe you should disconnect simply and live under the glass bell!

So I am here to prove that not all pyramid admins will steal your money, and there is not such thing as earning overnight! That's why you lost your money, you wanted fast earnings!

Maybe this is just the wrong forum for me ... if others are a crybaby like you then I don't mind being banned from the forum!

And calling my site a rubbish :flame: ... take a look at your's if you have any at all you idiot!

[Webwatch]

I don't steal money, but yes I run a pyramid scheme, what's wrong with payramid? You probably don't know how to get referrals
I rest my case :D

So go ahead, warn people around the net that I am scam!
There are 1 000 000 000 ... let me know when you want 1/1000 of them!Its already begun-by you posting here to start with, now anyone searching for info on thegoldworkshop will hopefully find this topic-give it a day or so for the search engine spiders to pick this thread up then try a search for yourself on thegoldworkshop scam or just thegoldworkshop and see what happens.

And thank you for your nice welcome ... you probably have nothing smarter to do then to yell around!Sorry- Welcome to Matrixwatch (there hows that).

[GoldWorkshop]

I rest my case :D

Sorry- Welcome to Matrixwatch (there hows that).

you are an idiot :D

now you can notify admin or mods to ban me ;)

[GoldWorkshop]

Hello GoldWorkshop you may have made an error as
but at least we can warn others about your Matrix/Pyramid Scheme.

yeah, I am sure you need to warn them ... are they blind so they don't see what's it about?

you are wasting you life on wrong things man ;)

[Webwatch]

yeah, I am sure you need to warn them ... are they blind so they don't see what's it about?

you are wasting you life on wrong things man ;)

Your really not helping your scheme, but keep it up.

[Webwatch]

you are an idiot :D

now you can notify admin or mods to ban me ;)
Sticks & Stones-Theres still some entertainment value in you so I wont tell any mods just yet.

[GoldWorkshop]

Your really not helping your scheme, but keep it up.

is it so? well, I haven't earned some serious money yet so ...

Sticks & Stones-Theres still some entertainment value in you so I wont tell any mods just yet.

who are you to judge me anyway :D lol
you may notify or not ...
I am going bye bye from here ;)

no point discussing with people that have negative opinion on me before they even know me!

so ... best regards and stay well!

[Webwatch]

For the benefit of continuity and anyone reading this thread enjoying a giggle or two Goldworkshop went back at around this point and edited post #3 above so it wouldn't look so dumb, I will comment on the bits I missed.
Oh and sorry if you are being victimized around the net ... maybe you should disconnect simply and live under the glass bell!Not being victimized just making life difficult for online scammers (welcome to my world), not sure about the glass bell stuff.

So I am here to prove that not all pyramid admins will steal your money, and there is not such thing as earning overnight! That's why you lost your money, you wanted fast earnings! This may be tricky to prove as its a given that ALL Pyramid admins tend to steal money from there members. I never said I lost any money, you have me mistaken for all your members you are trying (and failing) to scam.

Maybe this is just the wrong forum for me ... Ya Think!!

if others are a crybaby like you then I don't mind being banned from the forum!I promise I haven't shed a single tear-in fact this is the most fun I have had for a while (sad I know).

And calling my site a rubbish ... take a look at your's if you have any at all you idiot!Not sure I called your site rubbish only the scheme in general-anyway if this is a-My sites better than Yours Willy waving contest, you win as I don't have a Pyramid Scheme scam site like yours-one things for certain if I did it woud be lot better and I would at least be intelligent enough not to spam and Anti Scam forum with it.
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Now back to the present.
who are you to judge me anywayYou started it :eek: lol

you may notify or not ...
I am going bye bye from here Bye Bye- bet you'l be back.

no point discussing with people that have negative opinion on me before they even know me!Correct :head: . I know your type-the internet is full of Pyramid Scheme chancers like yourself.:rolleyes:

so ... best regards and stay well!Thank you and all the best as well.

[concerned]

I don't steal money, but yes I run a pyramid scheme, what's wrong with payramid? You probably don't know how to get referrals :D


What is wrong you say? Well, first of all, the SPELLING is wrong. But after that, let's see. Oh, well, it is illegal! It is immoral!


you are an idiot :D

now you can notify admin or mods to ban me ;)

Well, I guess you are the idiot. Webwatch was a mod, so he wouldn't have to notify anyone. And someone who would advertise their site at a place where we take down matrix sites really is an idiot. Good luck running your scam when no payment processors will deal with you.

no point discussing with people that have negative opinion on me before they even know me!

so ... best regards and stay well!

Oh, let me guarantee you, we know you good enough to know you are a common scammer.

[Webwatch]

Most fun I've had in ages.:eek: :applause:

[GoldWorkshop]

ok, you are right webwatch ... I am back :)

I will coment a little on what you write

[GoldWorkshop]

For the benefit of continuity and anyone reading this thread enjoying a giggle or two Goldworkshop went back at around this point and edited post #3 above so it wouldn't look so dumb, I will comment on the bits I missed.


Not being victimized just making life difficult for online scammers (welcome to my world), not sure about the glass bell stuff.

Are you sure you are not making you own life a little bit difficult



This may be tricky to prove as its a given that ALL Pyramid admins tend to steal money from there members. I never said I lost any money, you have me mistaken for all your members you are trying (and failing) to scam.


so you say that I am trying to scam my members! Ok, the ones who belive you will not come to my program ... ones who belive me will come! And at the end we will see if I will steal the money or earn it!


Ya Think!!

Yes, I think, and after that I move to action!


I promise I haven't shed a single tear-in fact this is the most fun I have had for a while (sad I know).

I am very sorry for that! You should belive more in people!


Not sure I called your site rubbish only the scheme in general-anyway if this is a-My sites better than Yours Willy waving contest, you win as I don't have a Pyramid Scheme scam site like yours-one things for certain if I did it woud be lot better and I would at least be intelligent enough not to spam and Anti Scam forum with it.

Look up and read! You called it! I wasn't spaming! I was showing my site to the comunity!
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Correct :head: . I know your type-the internet is full of Pyramid Scheme chancers like yourself.:rolleyes:

How do you know us? Can you please explain?
BTW, your behaviou is idiotic!

[GoldWorkshop]

What is wrong you say? Well, first of all, the SPELLING is wrong. But after that, let's see. Oh, well, it is illegal! It is immoral!


It is illegal only in your head :D.
I have a product there but you are too blind to see it!
Open your eyes and mind if you have any!



Well, I guess you are the idiot. Webwatch was a mod, so he wouldn't have to notify anyone. And someone who would advertise their site at a place where we take down matrix sites really is an idiot. Good luck running your scam when no payment processors will deal with you.


We will see who will take whom down lol
You take sites down? That's why you have 5000 members in 4 years instead of 80 000 :head:


Oh, let me guarantee you, we know you good enough to know you are a common scammer.

Ok, and i know you good enough to know that you are just another idiot!
You know ... even people from this forum will join my program because they will eventualy find out that all you talk about is negativity and scaming ...

How do you know so much about scaming?

Get real man ... there are no scams ... only stupid investors!

For what will I scam my members? For $7? Bravo :bow:

:nono: you, you brainless slave!

[GoldWorkshop]

This may be tricky to prove as its a given that ALL Pyramid admins tend to steal money from there members. I never said I lost any money, you have me mistaken for all your members you are trying (and failing) to scam.


ALL admins tend to steal money?


Listen to me now very carefully ... if you have brains you will understand me.

What I want it to learn how to earn ... to become a money making wizard ... a guru!

In my heart I never hear the words Steal, lie, run away ... so all your google searchers searching for TheGoldWorkshop is a SCAM will read about it here ...

I am not afraid to write it you know ... and you know why? Because the truth speaks for itself!

TheGoldWorkshop is a SCAM
TheGoldWorkshop is a SCAM
TheGoldWorkshop is a SCAM lol

And you know what more? The more searches I get from google the better for my site :applause: ... you moron ... you should know that :yes:

Now go and live and die the best way you know!

[GoldWorkshop]

Good luck running your scam when no payment processors will deal with you.

Thank you but http://www.e-gold.com is the best payment processor in the world! They have no reason for banning me since no one of my members complained!

You are not so intelligent it seams? :head:

[mercinary]

I don't know where to start. I love these people who just spam forums mindlessly. You posted an advertisement for a scheme that you openly admit to be a pyramid scam on an acclaimed website that fights pyramid schemes....not the best business move.

As far as google rankings, I think you are mistaken. When Matrixwatch is the first thing that google comes up with when someone searches for your site, it is historically VERY bad news for a website....

-Merc

[Webwatch]

Welcome back Goldworkshop.
After 2 hours to ponder on our posts this is the best you have to come back with.

I wont comment on your comments about my comments about your comments as there is plenty of new stuff to be looking at.

Get real man ... there are no scams ... only stupid investors!The classic war cry of the scammer. It's not your fault of course its your investors.

For what will I scam my members? For $7? BravoHow nieve do you think we are-You know full well the $7 price is to target multiple investments so members can hope they will move up the Pyramid Levels quicker which of course only helps the few right at the top (thats you by the way).

What I want it to learn how to earn ... to become a money making wizard ... a guru!I'm afraid you have failed your first lesson. But to be fair you have learnt how not to promote a Pyramid Scheme.

And you know what more? The more searches I get from google the better for my site ... you moron ... you should know that Second time Today I have been needlessly insulted but thats your classic scammer personality trait i.e. If someone disagrees with you or exposes you for what you are call them names. You also show your ignorance by thinking the more google searches the better for your program-as you claim to be the admin do you think anyone would trust you with their money with these immature outbursts, you not only damage your own credibity but that of your scam which is of course what I intended and still you say I don't know you.

Please don't swear in your posts as this immaturity is not needed.

[GoldWorkshop]

I don't know where to start. I love these people who just spam forums mindlessly. You posted an advertisement for a scheme that you openly admit to be a pyramid scam on an acclaimed website that fights pyramid schemes....not the best business move.

As far as google rankings, I think you are mistaken. When Matrixwatch is the first thing that google comes up with when someone searches for your site, it is historically VERY bad news for a website....

-Merc

MatrixWatch on top of Google? lol

The key word is WHEN ... I will ansver you ... NEVER :crazy:

And even MatrixWatch pops up near the top there will always be MoneyMakerGroup that will pop there with people that know me for years!

And face it man ... there is only small percentage of people that hate matrixes!
For the rest it is a business just like running this forum is a business ... or your members don't know that you are earning good money on their count? Why don't you share your money with your 5000 members ... give them all $5 monthy and leave $5 of $25000 for yourself!


When I first saw matrixwatch.com I tought this is a discussion forum ... I tought you people discuss not judge!

I came here to submit my matrix to MATRIX WATCH!
I tought if you see that my members get paid I will have nice ranking in your forum!

And what did you give me? Ansver me please!
I was so happy because there is actualy no matrix monitor around as far as I know!


After few hours I can see that this is a Matrix Haters forum!
You don't discuss ... you hate!

You didn't even took the time to see how my matrix works ... all the money goes directly to member's e-gold accounts ... Admin never touches the money that belongs to members because new members are paying $1 directly to their upline's e-gold account!

And let's face it! You are mostly talking abut your own failure to judge people or a website!


I will not tolerate this kind of welcome you know!
I never touch anyone and never steal and i will not stand and listen to rubish that the 2 previous members posted :nono: !

I will defend myself!


And I did not post advertisement ...
I posted my own introduction and shown my own site! There is a big difference!

For advertising I am using advertising networks with PPC advertising!

[mercinary]

MatrixWatch on top of Google? lol

The key word is WHEN ... I will ansver you ... NEVER :crazy:


When I first saw matrixwatch.com I tought this is a discussion forum ... I tought you people discuss not judge!

After few hours I can see that this is a Matrix Haters forum!
You don't discuss ... you hate!

GoldWorkShop:

I think you need to step back for a minute an review our website. There are some interesting facts you might want to know about.

#1: We are a forum for people to come here and get the truth about investment opportunities on the web. We investigate schemes and try to give an honest opinion about what is a scam and what is not. You have openly admitted that your scheme is a pyramid scheme. Pyramid schemes are illegal and immoral (primarily because they benefit only ~5% of the investing population, mathematics disallow large gains by a large population).

#2: Through our efforts we have seen a victory in court over the payment processors that supported Matrix (Internet Pyramid) schemes. The settlement information and court documents are available via our main menu.

#3: We have tracked and watched the demise over 500 matrix & pyramid schemes in the last 4 years. In many cases we had a direct hand in reporting these schemes to the proper local, state, and federal authorities.

#4: We've been recognized by multiple news agencies as being an authority on matrix schemes. Behind the scenes we've been closely involved with the Attorney General's office in multiple states (USA) and the Office of Fair Trade (UK) spanning multiple investigations into pyramid scheme activity on the web.

#5: One of our specialties is providing mathematical analysis of pyramid schemes, giving proof to the fact that pyramid schemes will always collapse under their own weight. We even have a special tool built into our website (see the matrix calculator on our home page) which will give you an idea of how long it will take to get paid off.

So, as you can see, we aren't just a forum of haters. I'd like to think that we are purveyors of the truth. We allow matrix/pyramid owners to come here to make their case. Providing you follow the forum rules (like everyone else has to), you can stay and argue your point as long as you want.

-Merc

[GoldWorkshop]

Welcome back Goldworkshop.
After 2 hours to ponder on our posts this is the best you have to come back with.

I wont comment on your comments about my comments about your comments as there is plenty of new stuff to be looking at.

The classic war cry of the scammer. It's not your fault of course its your investors.

How nieve do you think we are-You know full well the $7 price is to target multiple investments so members can hope they will move up the Pyramid Levels quicker which of course only helps the few right at the top (thats you by the way).

I'm afraid you have failed your first lesson. But to be fair you have learnt how not to promote a Pyramid Scheme.

Second time Today I have been needlessly insulted but thats your classic scammer personality trait i.e. If someone disagrees with you or exposes you for what you are call them names. You also show your ignorance by thinking the more google searches the better for your program-as you claim to be the admin do you think anyone would trust you with their money with these immature outbursts, you not only damage your own credibity but that of your scam which is of course what I intended and still you say I don't know you.

Please don't swear in your posts as this immaturity is not needed.

You are wrong webWatch!
You are so wrong!

But one thing is certain ... you don't trust me ... but it doesn't mean that the rest of the world wont!

I understand that for you it is inpossible to providea spillover for members!
Hovewer, I will dare to try!


and yes people will trust me when they see that I am insulting a stupid guy like yourself that doen't have his own life!


and you started insluting first by calling me a scammer you know ...
my first $200 (total of $300+)of e-gold were eaten by scams but i don't cry ...
I go forward in search of knowledge and equiped better!

And for that calling me a scammer I find you a stupid moron with no brain!

And why do you think people will trust a guy like you?
You only search for what is wrong in the world!

[GoldWorkshop]

GoldWorkShop:

I think you need to step back for a minute an review our website. There are some interesting facts you might want to know about.

#1: We are a forum for people to come here and get the truth about investment opportunities on the web. We investigate schemes and try to give an honest opinion about what is a scam and what is not. You have openly admitted that your scheme is a pyramid scheme. Pyramid schemes are illegal and immoral (primarily because they benefit only ~5% of the investing population, mathematics disallow large gains by a large population).

#2: Through our efforts we have seen a victory in court over the payment processors that supported Matrix (Internet Pyramid) schemes. The settlement information and court documents are available via our main menu.

#3: We have tracked and watched the demise over 500 matrix & pyramid schemes in the last 4 years. In many cases we had a direct hand in reporting these schemes to the proper local, state, and federal authorities.

#4: We've been recognized by multiple news agencies as being an authority on matrix schemes. Behind the scenes we've been closely involved with the Attorney General's office in multiple states (USA) and the Office of Fair Trade (UK) spanning multiple investigations into pyramid scheme activity on the web.

#5: One of our specialties is providing mathematical analysis of pyramid schemes, giving proof to the fact that pyramid schemes will always collapse under their own weight. We even have a special tool built into our website (see the matrix calculator on our home page) which will give you an idea of how long it will take to get paid off.

So, as you can see, we aren't just a forum of haters. I'd like to think that we are purveyors of the truth. We allow matrix/pyramid owners to come here to make their case. Providing you follow the forum rules (like everyone else has to), you can stay and argue your point as long as you want.

-Merc

Oh yeah?
I like to think of myself that I am soldier of light, ok?

you will now have a chance to prove how much you are worth!

Make me a calculation on when will my matrix crash from it's own weight!


And ansver me 1 question?
Do you peronaly think that I am a scammer?

YES OR NO?
a simple ansver ... no bla-bla!

[GoldWorkshop]

GoldWorkShop:

#2: Through our efforts we have seen a victory in court over the payment processors that supported Matrix (Internet Pyramid) schemes. The settlement information and court documents are available via our main menu.



you can not take down e-gold lol
you don't even understand what they are!

[mercinary]

Make me a calculation on when will my matrix crash from it's own weight!

We would be glad to. You need to provide key details about your matrix. How many people must sign up before to top person gets paid off? How much must people pay to enter the matrix? What is the current rate of signups (# new entries per week) and how old is your site?


And ansver me 1 question?
Do you peronaly think that I am a scammer?


You own a matrix/pyramid scam. You are aware that the business plan is not sound & that the large portion of investors into your scheme will lose money. That spells scammer to me.....sorry.

-Merc

[mercinary]

you can not take down e-gold lol
you don't even understand what they are!

Didn't suggest that we would.

-Merc

[Webwatch]

MatrixWatch on top of Google?

The key word is WHEN ... I will ansver you ... NEVER
I thought you might have trouble grasping this, but we are referring to particular search terms.
e.g go to google and type Matrix Scam- we will be about 3rd in the list.

In a few days go to google and type in thegoldworkshop scam and we should hopefully be on the first page near the top. Of course this isn't foolproof and may take longer than just a few days but any potential investor will hopefully do a search on your program before investing and come to this thread where you give away the type of individual you are and should certainley not be trusted with any ones money.

I think you may have trouble pulling this one off even over at Moneymakergroup-I could be wrong though as its full of potential and repeat victims.

For the rest it is a business just like running this forum is a business ... or your members don't know that you are earning good money on their count? Why don't you share your money with your 5000 members ... give them all $5 monthy and leave $5 of $25000 for yourself!Nope Matrixwatch is funded by donations which come from people we help or those kind individuals who enjoy their time here. As you are a scammer I do understand how you would be unable to grasp how a none profit making organisation works.

When I first saw matrixwatch.com I tought this is a discussion forum ... I tought you people discuss not judge!
Forum lesson one:
When starting a thread with an obvious scam be prepared for posts that you may not like. Discussions by their very remit will invole points of view and judgements of some description or another. e.g. In your second post you called me an idiot (Thats a judgement) yet you moan when arguments are put foward which you cannot defend and just start having a tantrum.

And I did not post advertisement ...
I posted my own introduction and shown my own site! There is a big difference!To advertise something you dont need to design a banner or ad word campaign, advertising is about awareness and by making others aware of your scam you are advertising it.


Of course we expect you to defend your scam and then insult us when you realise you are well and truly out of your depth after all we know you quite well now.

you can not take down e-gold
you don't even understand what they are!
e-gold are an offshore payment provider for scams.

You wont be able to help yourself posting again-trust me I know you that well.

Addition:
and you started insluting first by calling me a scammer you know ...
my first $200 (total of $300+)of e-gold were eaten by scams but i don't cry ...
I go forward in search of knowledge and equiped better!
Read the thread carefully again-In your second post you admitted to running a Pyramid Scheme which by definition being a scam makes you a scammer, you also referred to me as an idiot so not only did you call yourself a scammer (thats the self confessed bit) you also insulted me first. Sorry if you don't see it this way but thats how it reads to me.
Although I'm quite happy for you to continue digging a hole for yourself, if you wish to explain your scheme in more detail or enlighten us on what products you sell that would be good start.

Even though you admitted to running a Pyramid scheme in your second post I am quite willing to overlook this fo par as it may be down to you not realising this isn't a scam promoting forum like MMG.
If you wish to show how your particular scheme is legal and does not fall foul of Pyramid Scheme regulations feel free to do so.

[GoldWorkshop]

We would be glad to. You need to provide key details about your matrix. How many people must sign up before to top person gets paid off? How much must people pay to enter the matrix? What is the current rate of signups (# new entries per week) and how old is your site?


My site is 2 months old!
Entry is $7 ... I have about 2-3 new signups per week! I hope it will grow soon! I started alone .. now there are 30 upgraded members! The 30 members should make growing faster!

The top person gets paid $1 instantly when his downline upgrades!
All money is paid directly to member's account ... the matrix is build that way so every new member must pay 7 x $1 payment to his 7 upliners!
Admin gets paid only if he is on a member upline's list ... once he is out of list no money for admin any more!

Member can have maximum of 7 first level referrlas ... when he finds more the 7 referrals they will spillover into his second level under his 1'st level referral and so on untill his matrix is filled!

Every member that joins is on top of his own 7x7 forced matrix!
He get's paid $1 instantly and directly on his e-gold account from every member that joins in his downline 7 levels deep!


[/QUOTE]
You own a matrix/pyramid scam. You are aware that the business plan is not sound & that the large portion of investors into your scheme will lose money. That spells scammer to me.....sorry.
-Merc[/QUOTE]

No problem ... this spells "I am not using my head to think" to me, sorry!
Because a matrix is a mathematical issue ... why does it exist if it is wrong? And I give away a nice product for $7 ... members promote more then 50 other websites on 1 page! Is this not a nice product?

Do you get me here?

I am getting tired ... do what you want!

For me a scammer is a man who steals money!
There is no missleading on my site ... all members know that they will earn money only if they get a downline! I could put a simple referral program but instead of it i put a forced matrix because this way upliners help their downliners!

I am also convinced that I am doing a good thing here if you didn't get it yet!

And calling me a scammer again is very rude!

[GoldWorkshop]

I thought you might have trouble grasping this, but we are referring to particular search terms.
e.g go to google and type Matrix Scam- we will be about 3rd in the list.


Oh yeah?

well ... now go to google and copy this keyword into search: 7 x 7 e-gold matrix

you will see my site in the 2'nd place :D

and for even more keywords ... so if you get me ... I am the SEO guru here :applause:

[GoldWorkshop]

e-gold are an offshore payment provider for scams.


yeah right ... that's why they have 4 000 000 accounts :D

there are 4 000 000 scams in there :applause:

why am I wasting my time with you anyway!

[GoldWorkshop]

Of course we expect you to defend your scam and then insult us when you realise you are well and truly out of your depth after all we know you quite well now.
Even though you admitted to running a Pyramid scheme in your second post I am quite willing to overlook this fo par as it may be down to you not realising this isn't a scam promoting forum like MMG.
If you wish to show how your particular scheme is legal and does not fall foul of Pyramid Scheme regulations feel free to do so.

webwatch ... Iwish I never meat you!

you are an idiot, that's a fact!

[Webwatch]

Goldworkshop I see from your above post you grasp that a particular search phrases in google will through up the most relevant sites. Such an obsucre search term like 7 x 7 e-gold matrix will show your site-as it is 2 months old you would have been indexed by the google spiders anyway.

From this you should see why a thread like this one will prove relevant on the particular search term 'thegoldworkshop' which a lot of your prospective members may use. Wait a few days and see what happens.

Anyway-even though you no-doubt dislike me and envision me as some supposed know it all smug git (thats the impression I was trying to portray) I would like you to consider very carefully what you are doing- don't just take my word for it do your own research on Pyramid Schemes.

Didn't you start out as lucasworkshop selling banners then seem to progress to this type of scheme which started back in September. Maybe we are a last resort as your scheme is most likely experiencing incredibly slow growth and will just fizzle out (as most do).

webwatch ... Iwish I never meat you!

you are an idiot, that's a fact!You only have yourself to blame, you just love to call me an idiot don't you.:)

yeah right ... that's why they have 4 000 000 accounts

there are 4 000 000 scams in thereNow its you who doesn't understand that not all e-gold members will be scam operators. I think I have an e-gold account somewhere (research purposes only of course).

why am I wasting my time with you anyway!You just can't help yourself, don't worry you'll wake up tomorrow and cringe at how you got involved in this thread in the first place.

[GoldWorkshop]

Goldworkshop I see from your above post you grasp that a particular search phrases in google will through up the most relevant sites. Such an obsucre search term like 7 x 7 e-gold matrix will show your site-as it is 2 months old you would have been indexed by the google spiders anyway.

From this you should see why a thread like this one will prove relevant on the particular search term 'thegoldworkshop' which a lot of your prospective members may use. Wait a few days and see what happens.

Anyway-even though you no-doubt dislike me and envision me as some supposed know it all smug git (thats the impression I was trying to portray) I would like you to consider very carefully what you are doing- don't just take my word for it do your own research on Pyramid Schemes.

Didn't you start out as lucasworkshop selling banners then seem to progress to this type of scheme which started back in September. Maybe we are a last resort as your scheme is most likely experiencing incredibly slow growth and will just fizzle out (as most do).

You only have yourself to blame, you just love to call me an idiot don't you.:)

Now its you who doesn't understand that not all e-gold members will be scam operators. I think I have an e-gold account somewhere (research purposes only of course).

You just can't help yourself, don't worry you'll wake up tomorrow and cringe at how you got involved in this thread in the first place.


Listen man ... the world is a crap anyway ... you either see it or you are blind!

I built my own matrix and I am the number 1!
If someone wants to be NO.1 he will need to learn all that it takes to build such thing!

All I have is the belief in my vision, and it doesn't involve stealing money from others! You called me a scammer while you didn't think what I will hear truly in your words!

And so what if my programs die!
How do you know that you will not die tomorow?

People die, programs die ... it's life!
No food, you die ... no new members, matrix dies!
But some live ... live and pay!

I want to make my site a living one ...
but here you come from the deep of the darkness and trying to stop me!

[GoldWorkshop]

Goldworkshop I see from your above post you grasp that a particular search phrases in google will through up the most relevant sites. Such an obsucre search term like 7 x 7 e-gold matrix will show your site-as it is 2 months old you would have been indexed by the google spiders anyway.



And about Google ... don't pretend that you know technical stuff about the company that would take down half of the world if it just shuts down!

[surfer]

lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol

Welcome to Matrix Watch and thanks for the
entertainment GoldWorkshop.

A minute or two of reading would have told
you that your ponzi/pyramid scam wouldn't
receive a warm welcome here.

Matrix Watch is your #1 source for information on the matrix sites, and other internet scams!
Our Advice -- Don't throw your money away on them. (http://www.matrixwatch.org/modules.php?name=Jig)

Like most of the tiny small time criminals on
the net, you'll probably never get nailed, but
we can always hope.
Listen man ... the world is a crap anyway ... you either see it or you are blind!
Sadly, people like you constitute much of the
"crap" in the world. Too bad you can't make
an honest living.
I built my own matrix and I am the number 1!
If someone wants to be NO.1 he will need to learn all that it takes to build such thing!
It doesn't take much to create a ponzi site
like yours. You will need to be pretty good
to make it flourish for any extended period
before its inevitable crash.
All I have is the belief in my vision, and it doesn't involve stealing money from others! You called me a scammer while you didn't think what I will hear truly in your words!
Whether you are an admin that steals or not,
you are still a little criminal. I don't know the
laws in your country, but when you do business
outside your own nation, you are supposed to
abide by the laws of the countries you are
marketing to.
And so what if my programs die!
How do you know that you will not die tomorow?
There is no "if" as far as your program dying.
It's merely when.
People die, programs die ... it's life!
No food, you die ... no new members, matrix dies!
But some live ... live and pay!
"Pay" for a while. And then crash.
I want to make my site a living one ...
but here you come from the deep of the darkness and trying to stop me!
In the end, simple mathematics halts sites like
yours.

Always has. Always will. We simply try to limit
the damage that people like you do.
I am the SEO guru here
If that were actually true, you wouldn't need
to run a ponzi scam. You would be selling
legitimate products and services.

[GoldWorkshop]

Surfer,

You are just another idiot that speaks what others tell him! lol

You know swear removed by administrator and you have spoken enough!

[GoldWorkshop]

lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol

Welcome to Matrix Watch and thanks for the
entertainment GoldWorkshop.


yes, to bad that you are not entertaining but boring! same old :) again!


A minute or two of reading would have told
you that your ponzi/pyramid scam wouldn't
receive a warm welcome here.

Call your mama a ponzi and scam, ok?
How many times I have to tell you ... :) o f f with the scam :) ... don't you know anything else to say beside that?

maybe you have one of those "how to succeed" e-books or whatever it is to sell to your members here and you call it a legit business! no mather that no one of your members actualy earned a dime from it ... but my members have at least earned $1 ... and I am already ahead of you ... so you see .. MatrixWatch is a scam!

Any other forum, which I will not mention here, would run you down!


You are simply telling a nice story to your members and taking money from them! Well, I built them a nice site with an exploding referral page!
Alone!


Like most of the tiny small time criminals on
the net, you'll probably never get nailed, but
we can always hope.

Why don't you try to nail real chriminals?

I'll tell you why!
Because you could wake up dead one morning!
So since you are not brave enough to hunt the chriminals leave me a lone you peace of :) !





Sadly, people like you constitute much of the
"crap" in the world. Too bad you can't make
an honest living.


**Removed**



It doesn't take much to create a ponzi site
like yours. You will need to be pretty good
to make it flourish for any extended period
before its inevitable crash.


Yeah ... and you will live forever?
And can you show me your site please?
I am sure it is totaly pro! Did your mama help you build it? O rshe just gave you the money for living you jerk?


Whether you are an admin that steals or not,
you are still a little criminal. I don't know the
laws in your country, but when you do business
outside your own nation, you are supposed to
abide by the laws of the countries you are
marketing to.


Like I said ... go hunt the real chriminals you cowardly chicken!



There is no "if" as far as your program dying.
It's merely when.

"Pay" for a while. And then crash.

In the end, simple mathematics halts sites like
yours.

Always has. Always will. We simply try to limit
the damage that people like you do.


You try to limit the damage?
But you are limited in your brain! And you are doing a damage by trying to convince others in what you belive! And if you belive strong enough in it I wouldn't end up here! So your faith sucks!
hahahaha lol :applause:

Your forum has 5000 members in 4 years ... how many active? maybe 1000 ...
After 4 years we will see how many mmbers I have!

Even if it dies, it will die my way, not your's!
You are an evil creature or a fool!
Ask yourself, if you would be dying ... would you try to survive!

You know, to me it is the same ... to own a forum, a matrix, mlm, shop, to make design ... to play music ... it is all the same to me! Money makes money and I want to get in the heart of it!
Matrix is just my favourite software!

And if you want to stay on simple matematics fine ... but there is and advanced one also!
Of course, you would have to use your own brain for this, but it's hard if you don't have any like you ... but hey ... don't quit ... quiting is the only way down!!


I am not interested in you or your story or what you think! :) O f f!


If that were actually true, you wouldn't need
to run a ponzi scam. You would be selling
legitimate products and services.

Where do you live man?
I am not a prostitute to sell my tallents! You are!
Just keep selling, but you will wake up one day!
Are you able to understand it?


The essence of this forum atitude is to prove that something that exists shouldn't exist!
Is this not stupid?

I can't wait for you to start warning people around ... it will bring me much visits and probably many signups :applause: !

Oh yes ... I forgot this ... your members may support you here but actualy deep inside they think you are fools ... if they knew how to make money in the matrix they would go for it right away!
But hey ... why not promote some programs in their siggy while blaming matrix admins for their failure!


You should worry about hyips and autosurfs, scam casinos ... and you worry about matrix!
Realy clever!

[sisco50]

GoldWorkshop,

WOW Now that's entertainment at it's best, for sure! :( Grade schoolers starting matrix sites and coming here to advertise their scam. That did make my day. :)

Now it's time to pack up the old lunch box and go home before anyone else sees what a fool looks like! Good luck man, but really; pushing a scam at this site will never work. lol

[Webwatch]

Goldworkshop I have removed the profanity's (swear words) etc from you post as you seem unable to conduct yourself in a mature fashion.

Someone as untrustworthy round heavy machinery as yourself should at least be capable of realisng that we are having a great time with your tantrums and childish outbursts.

You give a great example of how the mind of a Scam admin works and what little defence they have to put forward, we can all swear and curse but evolution has taught most of us to try and tolerate those which are emotionally challenged (thats you by the way).

Enough of my waffle, back to your latest outburst:

maybe you have one of those "how to succeed" e-books or whatever it is to sell to your members here and you call it a legit business! no mather that no one of your members actualy earned a dime from it ... but my members have at least earned $1 ... and I am already ahead of you ... so you see .. MatrixWatch is a scam! Because I know you so well I can see that it is you who started your scheme after viewing an online e-book (bet you paid for it), I have a feeling you also paid for the script your website uses to manage its pyramid scheme. Still you call us a scam, yet we have no charge for membership:crazy: .

Any other forum, which I will not mention here, would run you down!Your memory maybe playing tricks but you have already mentioned the other forum Moneymakergroup bet you tried talkgold as well. Even when you started your thread at MMG you had some critics and most of the 8 pages are of you talking to yourself with a few other members winding you up.

Why don't you try to nail real chriminals?Now your confusing us for the Police we just help enlighten those that are new to this stuff before they lose their money.
The funny thing is we don't need to hunt anyone as a lot of scammers are stupid enough come here to push their scheme because they don't realise we are an antiscam forum (sound familiar).

I'll tell you why!
Because you could wake up dead one morning!Thats got to be impossible. You could wake up and be about to die but to actually wake up dead is extremely difficult. I think what you have typed here is called an 'oxymoron' (off to google you go).

The essence of this forum atitude is to prove that something that exists shouldn't exist!
Is this not stupid?Incorrect-The essence of Matrixwatch is to discuss and make people more informed of the differnt types of Matrix/Pyramid/Ponzi scheme and other consumer issues and to help them take action and file complaints to the correct authorities, its not unkown for members here to notify scammers primary website hoster what is going on and get the sites shut down.
There are no guarantees except that they wont have to pay any money to be a member here. Obviously discussions can get heated and go off topic but hopefully anyone viewing this thread will realise what a bad bet your pyramid scheme is and will not trust you with their money, but its their money and their choice.

If your struggling to respond to this post let me help you-start with your usual calling me an idiot then take it from there.

[GoldWorkshop]

How do you explain this?

The entrance to my matrix is $7 ...
To start it off I am paying people $7.25 to spend $7! In advance!

I am in loss $1.25 - $2.25 with every new member because $1 or $2 goes to some members of the matrix that are already in ... in other words I am paying people to join so I could provide a spillover to them!

The worst thing is that I am paying them in advance ... so anyone can trick me and runaway with money! 2 of them never returned the money into the program!

I am using my additional resources to keep it up with loosing $1.25 - $2-25 per member! Now my account is drown to $0 again?

Now tell me ... whom are you defending?
Those that I gave $7.25 and they joined .. or those that lower themselves to theaf level and steal $7.25?

Whom are you defending here?

Now if I invest money now shouldn't I expect a return latter?


And you know ... I am tired of swearing ... that was yesterday ... you called me a scammer while I was giving away money to people ... free joining + a little extra for them.

have you ever give $0.25 to someone? No! Period!

So that was yesterday ... today, I simply wont waste my words on you because you don't understand me and you don't understand what is a vision and you don't understand what is a business!

You can only speak or think what you have read in a book or someone told you!

I was at the top of all major search engines for the most relevant keyword that I needed and I earned nothing from it! So legit products like SEO and stuff are just some stupid tips like Sport betting tips!

Google is advancing very day!
The content on your page is enough ... all the meta tags and other tricks will not help you!

If you have relevant content you will pop up on top ... if you don't have it you will not!

The SEO tips and tricks that you see today are history for google already!
They know about all tiny tricks! Leave your page only with content and you're on top!


You know ... my matrix will die one day ... yes ... but we don't know when ... and it will die my way ... and everyone who doesn't find even 7 referrals will loose $7.

but this forum will die one day also ...
so why don't you shut it down today?


And if you are truly a honest man and fight for the truth like you say you will not call me a scam any more!

Tell people around that my program will die, that it can not live, that they will loose their money, that it is realisticly impossible to earn $1 000 000 from out of $7 ... tell them what you want :applause: ... everyone has a right for a n opinion

But don't call me s scammer ...
because I have spent more nerves and did more actions against online scams that you will ever dream off :nono: ...



BTW:
I am seling a nice e-book for those $7 ... How to make a webiste in 5 days ...

and I have many more to put for download ... Like the rich jerk, google cash, build html ... and 100+ more ... website templates, scripts, programs ... and my own banner design school (psd files of mor then 100 banners that I made)

admit it man, you were simply wrong about me!

[GoldWorkshop]

GoldWorkshop,

WOW Now that's entertainment at it's best, for sure! :( Grade schoolers starting matrix sites and coming here to advertise their scam. That did make my day. :)

Now it's time to pack up the old lunch box and go home before anyone else sees what a fool looks like! Good luck man, but really; pushing a scam at this site will never work. lol

Go tell your mamma that you did it in your panties so she could change them for you and clean your *** man!

[sisco50]

Go tell your mamma that you did it in your panties so she could change them for you and clean your *** man!

Thank you! :) Exactly my point! Grade schooler resorting to this type of behavior. You really are a piece of work, my friend. No clue but spouting off anyway. So now we see what an even greater fool you are. Good job on exposing yourself for what you really are; a childish moronic scammer. Do have a nice day tho. hehehehehe :)

[GoldWorkshop]

Thank you! :) Exactly my point! Grade schooler resorting to this type of behavior. You really are a piece of work, my friend. No clue but spouting off anyway. So now we see what an even greater fool you are. Good job on exposing yourself for what you really are; a childish moronic scammer. Do have a nice day tho. hehehehehe :)

Ok, I am a childish moronic scammer. :applause:
Think what you want!

[Webwatch]

How do you explain this?

The entrance to my matrix is $7 ...
To start it off I am paying people $7.25 to spend $7! In advance!

I am in loss $1.25 - $2.25 with every new member because $1 or $2 goes to some members of the matrix that are already in ... in other words I am paying people to join so I could provide a spillover to them!

The worst thing is that I am paying them in advance ... so anyone can trick me and runaway with money! 2 of them never returned the money into the program!

I am using my additional resources to keep it up with loosing $1.25 - $2-25 per member! Now my account is drown to $0 again?
Thats quite easy to explain-What you are doing is classic e-book Pyramid building. i.e.You are paying the first few members to join in the hope that you hook a big recruiter who will inturn sucker more in. If your account is $0 after 4 months+ in operation surely you can realise that your Pyramid Scheme is doomed a lot of this is down to sites like ours warning people and the minor fact that Pyramid schemes are illegal in most countries.

Now tell me ... whom are you defending?
Those that I gave $7.25 and they joined .. or those that lower themselves to theaf level and steal $7.25?As you freely gave the positions away to these new members and they choose not to recruit the fault is yours. Again we see that you blame the membership for lack of growth not your own shortcomings for starting the program in the first place.

Now if I invest money now shouldn't I expect a return latter?With all investments there is an element of risk, what should happen and what does happen are totally different. A few years ago you may have had more success but now a majority of people know a scam when they see one your recruitment pool is extremely limited.

have you ever give $0.25 to someone? No! Period!Yes I have, although I'm not sure what a female menstral cycle has to do with it.

So that was yesterday ... today, I simply wont waste my words on you because you don't understand me and you don't understand what is a vision and you don't understand what is a business!

After 4 months with nothing to show for it I dont believe its me who doesn't understand how a business works, not sure why I would need to in my profession anyway, your vision is to have enough members in your scheme so you can have an easy life but as you are now becoming aware it doesn't always work like that.

You can only speak or think what you have read in a book or someone told you!You make a lot of assumptions about me, as far as learning goes there are a few methods to do this. Either by Experience, or listening and taking on board other peoples points of view with an open mind. There are a few other ways to gain knowlege which don't often get mentioned. i.e. genetic memory, or the least well known Collective learning whereby one persons experience can be passed onto another without them knowing it, similar to empathy when one person can tell what another is feeling (most common in close relationships) just by being near them. Mankind will evolve to understand this more and instead of putting it down to physic abilities and other phenomina will realise that we are all connected by an unseen force that some can tap into better than others. Or I could be making this all up after watching too much Star Trek.

And if you are truly a honest man and fight for the truth like you say you will not call me a scam any more!I never said I was a truly honest man and truth is a matter of perspective, research and carefull editing and yes I'm afraid your program is still a scam which from what you tell us you aren't very good at.

Tell people around that my program will die, that it can not live, that they will loose their money, that it is realisticly impossible to earn $1 000 000 from out of $7 ... tell them what you want ... everyone has a right for a n opinionI have been and so have you, in your last post you even said "You know ... my matrix will die one day ... yes ... but we don't know when ... and it will die my way ... and everyone who doesn't find even 7 referrals will loose $7."
Yes everyone has a right to an opinion and also to express that opinion without being called childish names and sweared at.

But don't call me s scammer ...
because I have spent more nerves and did more actions against online scams that you will ever dream off Sorry, your program is as a scam and if you are the admin by association you become a scammer, good luck with fighting online scams we need all the help we can get.

I am seling a nice e-book for those $7 ... How to make a webiste in 5 days ...

and I have many more to put for download ... Like the rich jerk, google cash, build html ... and 100+ more ... website templates, scripts, programs ... and my own banner design school (psd files of mor then 100 banners that I made)A little late in the day for this defence, but the e-book you are selling is no doubt freely available elsewhere as to are your downloads.

admit it man, you were simply wrong about me!Sorry, I think your own actions are continuing to prove me correct. Close your website and focus more on banner making as an honest living and my opinion of you will change.

[GoldWorkshop]

Thats quite easy to explain-What you are doing is classic e-book Pyramid building. i.e.You are paying the first few members to join in the hope that you hook a big recruiter who will inturn sucker more in. If your account is $0 after 4 months+ in operation surely you can realise that your Pyramid Scheme is doomed a lot of this is down to sites like ours warning people and the minor fact that Pyramid schemes are illegal in most countries.

As you freely gave the positions away to these new members and they choose not to recruit the fault is yours. Again we see that you blame the membership for lack of growth not your own shortcomings for starting the program in the first place.

With all investments there is an element of risk, what should happen and what does happen are totally different. A few years ago you may have had more success but now a majority of people know a scam when they see one your recruitment pool is extremely limited.

Yes I have, although I'm not sure what a female menstral cycle has to do with it.

After 4 months with nothing to show for it I dont believe its me who doesn't understand how a business works, not sure why I would need to in my profession anyway, your vision is to have enough members in your scheme so you can have an easy life but as you are now becoming aware it doesn't always work like that.

You make a lot of assumptions about me, as far as learning goes there are a few methods to do this. Either by Experience, or listening and taking on board other peoples points of view with an open mind. There are a few other ways to gain knowlege which don't often get mentioned. i.e. genetic memory, or the least well known Collective learning whereby one persons experience can be passed onto another without them knowing it, similar to empathy when one person can tell what another is feeling (most common in close relationships) just by being near them. Mankind will evolve to understand this more and instead of putting it down to physic abilities and other phenomina will realise that we are all connected by an unseen force that some can tap into better than others. Or I could be making this all up after watching too much Star Trek.

I never said I was a truly honest man and truth is a matter of perspective, research and carefull editing and yes I'm afraid your program is still a scam which from what you tell us you aren't very good at.

I have been and so have you, in your last post you even said "You know ... my matrix will die one day ... yes ... but we don't know when ... and it will die my way ... and everyone who doesn't find even 7 referrals will loose $7."
Yes everyone has a right to an opinion and also to express that opinion without being called childish names and sweared at.

Sorry, your program is as a scam and if you are the admin by association you become a scammer, good luck with fighting online scams we need all the help we can get.

A little late in the day for this defence, but the e-book you are selling is no doubt freely available elsewhere as to are your downloads.

Sorry, I think your own actions are continuing to prove me correct. Close your website and focus more on banner making as an honest living and my opinion of you will change.

Think what you want!
I already build a page that is worth $7 because of all ther referral links that members can post on their referral URL ... and I will impove it even more!
This is the product that I wanted so I made it!

Now I am selling this product and share my earnings with members because I can get $7 only from my 1'st level ... from my second level I get $6 ... from my 3'rd level I get $5 ... and so on ...

once I get out of the paying list I get nothing!

Again, you are free to think whatever you want!
And you can tell people around the world that I am a scam.

I have no problems with that!

You can always visit our thread in MMG and state your opinion about me being a scam! I am waiting for you there ... you can even put it in your siggy "TheGoldWorkshop is a scam"

[GoldWorkshop]

A little late in the day for this defence, but the e-book you are selling is no doubt freely available elsewhere as to are your downloads.


Yes, but most e-books come with resale rights so if you wish to sell them you can :applause: ... The seller sets the price lol

I can also offer Google Cash and The Rich Jerk :D

But let's be honest ... they will not help anyone ... but my matrix with super referral page will help and that's a fact!

Hovewer, today I am not as mad as yesterday so I respect your opinion ... you simply don't like matrix ... but you are wasting your time here because you are trying to prove something that simply isn't true!

[Webwatch]

You can always visit our thread in MMG and state your opinion about me being a scam! I am waiting for you there ... you can even put it in your siggy "TheGoldWorkshop is a scam"
What makes you think I haven't already-Ive given you enough clues.:)

Addition:
Hovewer, today I am not as mad as yesterday so I respect your opinion ... you simply don't like matrix ... but you are wasting your time here because you are trying to prove something that simply isn't true!Glad to see your not as mad as yesterday-Exactly what am I trying to prove again.

[GoldWorkshop]

What makes you think I haven't already-Ive given you enough clues.:)

Addition:
Glad to see your not as mad as yesterday-Exactly what am I trying to prove again.

You are trying to prove that I will make $1 000 000 while others will make $0 ...

you are wrong! ... you are also trying to proove that I am a scam so even if my members earn money I will take that from them also ... which I am not!

anyway ... I have just finished my new design ... I make design ... but not for others any more!
only for myself!

and as for MMG ... you know me from there right ... so why do you hide who you are?

I understand you ... you simply don't have your own vision and don't follow your dreams!!

[Webwatch]

You are trying to prove that I will make $1 000 000 while others will make $0 ...

you are wrong! ... you are also trying to proove that I am a scam which I am not!

anyway ... I have just finished my new design ... I make design ... but not for others any more!
only for myself!First I'm not trying to prove how much money you will make from this only that your Pyramid Scheme is a scam. As Pyramid Schemes are widely considered to be a scam then the conclusion would be that your particular scheme is a scam. Although all I have is an opinion which others may agree or disagree with-its their choice.
If website design is one of your strong points why dont you start a business doing that instead.

and as for MMG ... you know me from there right ... so why do you hide who you are?To make life a little difficult for scammers-try asking for me and maybe I will answer you.

[GoldWorkshop]

First I'm not trying to prove how much money you will make from this only that your Pyramid Scheme is a scam. As Pyramid Schemes are widely considered to be a scam then the conclusion would be that your particular scheme is a scam. Although all I have is an opinion which others may agree or disagree with-its their choice.
Ok then ... do whatever you can to stop my site from growing! I'll respect it :bow: ... but I will beat you by making TheGoldWorkshop great and big site :cool:!


If website design is one of your strong points why dont you start a business doing that instead.
I simply don't want to give away myself and things that have much value for me! Like I said ... I feel like a prostitute when I design for others! If you want to be a slave you are free to do so!
And you know ... I felt like a true scam when I make design for others ... that's because the tallent is not ment to be sold for money! Money makes money ... tallents make joy and happynes!


To make life a little difficult for scammers-try asking for me and maybe I will answer you.
Since I called you an idiot before I don't realy want to know who you are!

[Webwatch]

Ok then ... do whatever you can to stop my site from growing! I'll respect it ... but I will beat you by making TheGoldWorkshop great and big site !I wont have to do anything at all-its fate is secure because of the self destructive business model. Coupled with you starting theads on antiscam forums is a recipe for certain failure. Keep reaching for the stars though and you just might find a couple of victims who will join you.

I simply don't want to give away myself and things that have much value for me! Like I said ... I feel like a prostitute when I design for others! If you want to be a slave you are free to do so!
And you know ... I felt like a true scam when I make design for others ... that's because the tallent is not ment to be sold for money! Money makes money ... tallents make joy and happynes!Its a shame to see someone who enjoys web design waste there efforts on outdated scams but its your choice.

[concerned]

webwatch ... Iwish I never meat you!

you are an idiot, that's a fact!


Why do you insist on calling people idiots in the same post where you can't spell? So, you don't want to MEAT Webwatch, huh. Is that MEAT a STEAK, ROAST, RIB, GROUND BEEF, or MUTTON?

[HUUK]

I have to admit, this thread started off interesting - if not a bit puzzling - but to be honest now I am getting bored. Some idiot has tried to advertize their site on a forum that will do their best to bring down said site - not the best idea in the world. However, if this wasn't bad enough, they then try to argue their case, but fail completely due to not knowing the legal implications.

I am nominally pro-matrix, but even I am almost speechless at all of the above. By admitting it is a pyramid scheme it is definately illegal - end of story. (By the way, a period in USA is a full stop in England). Maybe its time to wind this thread up??

[GoldWorkshop]

yeah ... keep discussing :rolleyes:

my site is not a scam neither it's illegal!

I have a product to sell ... the "super referral page" and download section in which I put products of my choice ... even though I have to admit that is it hard to find something that is valuable to members for real!

I don't mind poeple caling me an idiot :D
As far as I am a paying idiot it's fine!

So, since none of you joined TheGoldWorkshop you don't have a proof that I my site will not pay you!

If you want to prove it you must join, upgrade for $7, find a referral and check your e-gold account ... if you don't find $1 there then Iam a scam ... if you find it then eat yourself up!

If you join you will see how nice my site is to it's members :cool:
Also, if you join from the index page you will be put in the first free position in the matrix which will not be far from the top since there are only 30+ upgraded members so far :D lol :applause: !

[HUUK]

GoldWorkshop, let me try to explain to you why others are amused by your comments.

Pyramid schemes are illegal - fact. They are illegal in most of the developed countries in the world, including the whole of the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the UK. The main problem is that you have already proudly stated that you operate a pyramid scheme - therefore you are proudly breaking the law and laying yourself open to ridicule and possible arrest.

Matrix sites (which this site was originally setup to combat) are slightly different. People who operate matrix sites try their best to distance themselves from both pyramid schemes and MLM's - they claim to be neither. Your website 'could' claim to operate as a matrix site, in which case you 'may' be able to claim that it is legal - but you would have to change various parts of your site - improve it.

You state that you offer a product - but you have not stated exactly what this product is. The "super referral page" is not a product - it is an incentive and is part of the whole package to get new customers. The kind of items that 'could' be sold would be for example electronic books, software CD's etc. If you do indeed have these items available, you need to make it quite clear on your site what they are BEFORE one has to make payment. At the moment the main focus is on the forced matrix - the focus should be on the products that are for sale. Let me state this clearly - you CANNOT hope to operate within the law unless you make it clear that there is an actual product for sale, giving details of this product.

You also have to operate within the law when it comes to selling over the internet. A basic example is you must provide contact details for people to be able to contact you with any queries - in England it is law that you must provide a mailing address. It is good customer service to also supply an email address and if possible a telephone number too.

Many other members on this site would argue that even if you did all the above, it would still be a scam and illegal. I personally would probably disagree with them, but doing this would at least show your willingness to listen to others in order to succeed in business. Many of the people on here have incredible knowledge relating to internet websites, and it would be wise to listen to what they say - even if you disagree with some of it.

No matter what you do, it is extremely silly to ignore all of this and carry on like before. If your customers realise that you are knowingly breaking the law and ripping them off, it is 'possible' they may come looking for you. Try to do good by your customers, and they will respect you for it.

[GoldWorkshop]

You state that you offer a product - but you have not stated exactly what this product is. The "super referral page" is not a product - it is an incentive and is part of the whole package to get new customers.

I made it so it is a product, my product!

Advertising is a product today and I give people a nice product - the possibility to put many referral links on 1 URL!

But you know what?
I am going to put my own songs as a product ... I recorded it alone with a friend in my room here ... I play the string instruments exept for the drum machine which I programed and he plays the keyboards!

Do I have a product now?

listen to it lol

http://www.thegoldworkshop.com/pages/crazy.mp3
http://www.thegoldworkshop.com/pages/long-run.mp3

Is this fine now?

[HUUK]

Theres two different points here.


1) Advertising
You are claiming that advertising is a product. This could be a valid arguement, but if you view the many different threads regarding YMMSS / STA, you will see that selling advertising is no good if there are no ways of getting potential buyers to view these advertisments. Also, at present the main focus of your site does not show the advertising - it shows the matrix. If you make the main focus of the site to be the advertising, this may well turn your site into a legal business, however it would then be hard to actually get your potential customers to convert into paying customers.

2) Your own songs on CD
The same as above, if you sell your songs on CD this could work, as long as you make the CD the main focus of the site, rather than the matrix. You should also bear in mind that if the CD consists of you singing existing songs, you will need to register with the proper authorities and pay royalties to the songwriters. If these are your own songs that you yourself have written, you would be wise to consult an attorney to make sure you own the copyright on them. Who knows, a famous singer may end up singing their own version of your songs, making you a fortune in royalties yourself! The main problem here would be, WHO would want to buy a copy of your own CD?! Many people nowadays are creating mySpace pages to sell their CD's, and many of those are not being recognised for the talents they believe they possess. You may be better off finding a product that people would actually want, in order to help draw your customers in.

I will help you by giving you an example (and hopefully I won't get banned by saying this). I have in the past operated a matrix site myself, and I sold software CD's alongside eBook DVD's. This worked very well, as both of these were popular items. The person who had sold the site to me had found it hard to make the website work as his product was not popular. And the person who bought the site from me last year had to close it down due to lack of customers - his product was also not popular.

The main point here is that in order to succeed you simply cannot deliberately mislead others. To do so is not good business sense. I do know what I am talking about, as I own over 100 websites of my own. Other people on here also have vast experiences in website design and the internet. Insulting us will not help you put your case forward - providing a reasoned arguement in your defence as part of a debate may well help you further than you would think. Please remember, we are not here to put you down, we are here to help you so that you do not make mistakes.


Oh and your two songs provided above? I am afraid they both remind me of the music that acompanied computer games in the early 90's.... what I would call computerised popcorn. Personally, I wouldn't want it if you gave the CD's away - and I'm a DJ so I know what I am talking about!

[concerned]

I made it so it is a product, my product!

Advertising is a product today and I give people a nice product - the possibility to put many referral links on 1 URL!

But you know what?
I am going to put my own songs as a product ... I recorded it alone with a friend in my room here ... I play the string instruments exept for the drum machine which I programed and he plays the keyboards!

Do I have a product now?

listen to it lol

http://www.thegoldworkshop.com/pages/crazy.mp3
http://www.thegoldworkshop.com/pages/long-run.mp3

Is this fine now?

Who cares if you have a product. Having a product does not meke it legal. It never has. Why do you keep insisting it is OK if you sell a product. Many pyramid schemes were illegal even though they sold dinners, lunches, signal boosters, etc. In fact, those items are more of a product than a fake attempt at a product like you have. Please show us how having a product makes it legal.

[GoldWorkshop]

Are you saying that Software Companies that make matrix scripts are illegal?

How come?

They make a product legal way and the product is illegal!


Last night the DJ saved my life :applause:

Anyone wants a burger in 30 minutes?
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You are way behind our time ... you live in past!

[Gilbert]

You are way behind our time ... you live in past!

Well that's a far better place than the planet you obviously have your roots in - Cloud Cuckoo Land.

I'd just give up if I were you mate. You are seriously embarrassing yourself here. Do any of your fellow aliens post or read here? Just think of what they must think about you when they see your self-belittling verbiage. Also, you're making us humans look nasty too.

Jump back aboard Enterprise and be off with you. Captain Kirk and ET are missing you.

[GoldWorkshop]

Jumping already :D lol :applause:

Anyway, since it was clear from the start that I will not find people that think like me about matrix I staid to see how can I talk with people with opposite opinion and called me a scam from the mment they heard the word matrix!



Your own songs on CD
If these are your own songs that you yourself have written, you would be wise to consult an attorney to make sure you own the copyright on them. Who knows, a famous singer may end up singing their own version of your songs, making you a fortune in royalties yourself!

Why shouldn't I become a great musician? :applause:



The main problem here would be, WHO would want to buy a copy of your own CD?!

Man, every musician has to face this moment! :yes:

[Webwatch]

Even when HUUK who is no doubt very familar with Matrix programs gives you some advice that could help you argue your case that would put you on the right trax, still you choose to post some silly ninja stuff.

Lets face it when both the Pro and Anti Matrix members are against you its really time to give this stuff up.

[GoldWorkshop]

still you choose to post some silly ninja stuff.


that's because I dream to know the ninja stuff :) :yes:

[GoldWorkshop]

Even when HUUK who is no doubt very familar with Matrix programs gives you some advice that could help you argue your case that would put you on the right trax, still you choose to post some silly ninja stuff.


If HUUK fullfilled his vision he did it his own way!
I am thankfull for advice! I used it the same moment I read it ... my own way!

[Webwatch]

If HUUK fullfilled his vision he did it his own way!
I am thankfull for advice! I used it the same moment I read it ... my own way!
Only HUUK could answer that.
Just because this is an anti matrix forum does not mean everyone is out to get your program shutdown, after all its more productive to let both sides be heard.

Now do you see why you weren't banned early on, as you where brave enough to come back and discuss your program-most will just spam and never return.

[HUUK]

Yes, I did it my way - often the best way as you learn better. However, I also learnt a great deal along the way, especially from people here at matrixwatch.org. My matrix site benefited greatly from the comments made on here a few years ago... but this isnt about me, it is about your website.

As WebWatch said, it is not YOU that people are against, and so if you are willing to listen to others you may well learn something! Some of the moderators here are more willing to listen to you than others - just a normal part of life. Likewise though, you have to be open yourself to new ideas, and advice. If you are not able to take constructive criticism then you and your business will not benefit from being here. At the end of the day, it is your choice whether you are willing to discuss things in a mature and responsible manner.

[evida]

GoldWorkshop, what part of 'MLM-Matrix scammer' don't you understand?
:confused:

Evida:eek:

[GoldWorkshop]

Yes, I did it my way - often the best way as you learn better. However, I also learnt a great deal along the way, especially from people here at matrixwatch.org. My matrix site benefited greatly from the comments made on here a few years ago... but this isnt about me, it is about your website.

As WebWatch said, it is not YOU that people are against, and so if you are willing to listen to others you may well learn something! Some of the moderators here are more willing to listen to you than others - just a normal part of life. Likewise though, you have to be open yourself to new ideas, and advice. If you are not able to take constructive criticism then you and your business will not benefit from being here. At the end of the day, it is your choice whether you are willing to discuss things in a mature and responsible manner.

I will listen what all have to say :)
But I'll do it my way :applause: !

For s start you could make a nice topic here at MatrixWatch.com and monitor the site ...

Rules of the site are presented to everyone ... of course that those who don't like matrix systems won't join it ... but those who like matrix system can and will join if they find it usefull for themselves as members!


If you are so convinced that this site will die soon under it's own weight then you can put a topic tittle "Watch this matrix going down ... live! :D

I have nothing against it!

Why I don't worry?
Because I don't have any intention of stealing anyone's money!
Just earning my own!

[kasutaja]

removed it is the best (removed).
Your downlines will do the same thing as you do. If they each got 7 new members then you as a second-level sponsor will get 7 x $7 = $49. And so on until you reach 7th position.

This is your potential earning, assuming that every member gets 7 new members each:

Your Level New Members Your Earning
1 7 $7
2 7 x 7 $49
3 7 x 7 x 7 $343
4 7 x 7 x 7 x 7 $2401
5 7 x 7 x 7 x 7 x 7 $16,807
6 7 x 7 x 7 x 7 x 7 x 7 $117,649
7 7 x 7 x 7 x 7 x 7 x 7 x 7 $823,543

Total your potential earning: $960,799.00

And what if you had more than 7 new members
sign up today. (removed)

[surfer]

Goodbye kasutaja :nono:

[deaf258]

http://www.deaf258.com/images/popcorn.gif

I have noticed when a person goes into overdrive on being super-defensive, it usually means he/she knows that it is wrong and is trying to lie/convince/brainwash to themselves that it isn't.

Nevertheless, it has been an interesting show.

[GoldWorkshop]

I understand you :)

You know, TheGoldWorkshop.com is a name so great that I am going to build a great site on it!

I will remove the matrix :applause: ... there are so many other ways to build a great site ... the membership will be free, upgrade and option and a great referral program for upgraded members :) ... super referral page stays, free advertising stays ... quality system for free members will be built in!

TheGoldWorkshop is the place where people will earn e-gold!
All of you judget wrong, your minds are controled ...
so go study something if you don't have anything nice to say :applause: lol

[Webwatch]

Hi Goldworkshop nice to see you back.

So your changing your program to include a free membership option, sounds interesting.

I take it from your post your going to remove the Pyramid scheme/Matrix aspect and just have a referral system where upgraded members can earn e-gold by refering other members.

Glad to see you have taken some of our comments on board and totally changed your program. :)

So what other advantages are there to becoming a paid/upgraded member apart from the downline building aspect.

[GoldWorkshop]

I don't know all details yet :)
But the matrix will be removed 100%!
Actualy, it is disabled already!

TheGoldWorkshop.com is a name that sounds too good to be a matrix!
7dollarsmagic ... that's ok name for a matrix ... but TheGoldWorkshop, this sounds like a big site with a lot of users and the main point is that it truly serves people and helps them earn e-gold .. that's what the workshop means, right :) ...

[Dreamer]

This whole nonsence about selling a product to make the site legal is just silly. If you have your own site, create another site. On that site just sell the eBook, or song, or cd, or whatever your selling, without the cash benefit of the matrix or whatever. If you charge $7 for a song on the matrix site, charge $7 for the song on the non matrix site (and dont link the 2 together). And, spend equal time promoting the matrix site as with the non matrix site.

So, when you come to an anti-matrix site like this, you can show us that your product is selling just as well without the matrix, so the product has value. That will shut up me, and im sure alot of people. But, sites dont do this. Why? Because they know they "product" they are selling is a farse.