Is it legal?

[Agent|Star]

Is it legal for people to break down an online investigation on a person. Spilling it all into a public forum. Telling how they do a site whois and tracing where a person lives and other sites owned by the person as well as their Real Name over and over again....

Is this really legal? I see it as a potential lawsuit...

[MatrixWatch]

Sure, I can see how it would be a problem. The person would have to proved that they suffered damages though, which in many cases is difficult. I still do not want public info posted on these forums from whois searches, unless they abide by the Forum Rules for posting such info.

However, I think that if a site closes down, then people deserve to know how to get in contact with that "business" owner. While I don't want public info to be mis-used, I am not afraid to post info to hold site-owners accountable. If you guys over at Matrix Agency want to collect a database of public info for site owners, the perhaps that would alleviate this problem.

[Agent|Star]

We dont post real names anywhere, though we collect it. Real name collected by us is kept private. By real names I mean FULL names... Real names isn't even in our forums I believe even during the circumstance of site owners that close shop. If there is one please PR message as we will look into this if it should be edited. A persons REAL IDENTITY posted publically without their consent is a big thing... Must be careful of.

This post isnt against MatrixWatch at all... It is just a general question regaurding any type of site... any person... any forum...

[Baker]

information on who a site is registered to is public domain. Anyone can quickly and easily go aquire the information for free. It has to be accessable to the public so posting it on a message board is in no way illegal.

[Agent|Star]

Originally posted by Baker
information on who a site is registered to is public domain. Anyone can quickly and easily go aquire the information for free. It has to be accessable to the public so posting it on a message board is in no way illegal.


So because you find something online like a name and address from a site whois you are now legally able to say anything you want about the person and post the name and address in forums??

[peterdragin]

It is public information, just like a phone book. You would be amazed at what a simple white/yellow pages web site can find out.

Nothing is illegal about printing or posting the information that ANYONE can get.

I don't think you could find any lawyer to take a case and try to prosecute it, even a district attorney wouldn't, because it is not illegal.

[concerned]

I think this thread is a waste of all of our time. Why don't you start to post stuff that will help customers. If the information is obtained by using a public information directory, then it is fine.

What is the difference between pasting the information into a forum or giving instructions on how to get the information.

Lets see, I can post the information:

www.getscamedherematrix.com
John Doe
1234 Take your money Way
Scammerville, XX 00000

Or I can do this:

Go to www.networksolutions.com/cgi-bin/whois/whois
type in the box : getscamedherematrix.com
Press enter and you have his personal information.


By doing either, you get the same results.

On the other hand, I am also opposed to giving bra sizes, sexual preference, etc. These are the only things that you can consider private information. If it is in the public domain, then it is for the public's use. I'm sure that when these lawsuits go to trial, if any of these site owners have a criminal past, they won't want that information to be told at the trial, but that is too bad because it is public domain. That means it is for the public to use wherever it sees fit.

Now, let's stop this thread and start posting threads that will actually help customers out. Isn't that what you claim to want to do BigStar?

[Agent|Star]

Wow my posts are a waste of time. Can we get some respectful members on your behalf watchdog? :D

[peterdragin]

I did not see anyone say your posts were a waste of time!!

The subject IS a waste of time because because there are NO LAWS against it because it's PUBLIC information !!

Just like I can say that I wonder if Greg likes Golf because he drives by a golf course to get to his apartment.

And if Ashu falls down and scrapes his knee he a can walk to a hospital.

[Agent|Star]

Nice one. Getting out of line here....

[MatrixWatch]

Originally posted by BigStarr
Wow my posts are a waste of time. Can we get some respectful members on your behalf watchdog? :D

The members here do not speak "on my behalf", they speak for themselves. However, I do see the spirit of what you are saying...

Concerned,
Ease up just a bit on some of the other members. There is a fine line between debate and disrespect. If a member feels that you are crossing the line, the please respect their feelings. Although Matrix Watch is here to inform people about the radically-negative issues surrounding the matrix sites, the pro-matrix people are totally welcome to share their views here, and they are welcome. Let's help them feel that way once and a while. :)

[Baker]

They are welcome to share their views but need to admit when they are COMPLETELY wrong. Also I don't see how any of this was "getting out of hand." If you can get offended by this thread I would hate to see how you handle the rigors of everyday life.

[fed-up]

what does "private registration" and "domain by proxy" mean?

[sigx97]

Originally posted by peterdragin

Just like I can say that I wonder if Greg likes Golf because he drives by a golf course to get to his apartment.

And if Ashu falls down and scrapes his knee he a can walk to a hospital.

Thats an over the top psycho statement! Wow..Fatal Attraction!

[Agent|Star]

Yeah sig.. thats why i said "out of hand".... Keep in mind a mod said it.. This mod knows exactly what was meant, of course he'll claim it was a harmless example...

Baker you dont even know whats going on.

[MatrixWatch]

I appreciate concerned's "spunk" though. I think it adds to all the controversy here, and it gets people into a debating kind of mood, which in turn sparks deep thoughts about core issues. People don't like what he says because he calls it like it is, and he is a straight shooter on most issues. Underneath all of that though, Concerned cares about the people involved in these scams, and he really helps them when they need it. He has also done a terrific job at researching the nitty-gritty on several sites and site-owners.

[fed-up]

Can someone please answer my earlier post about private registration and domain please?

[peterdragin]

Private registration is when the site operator does NOT want people to know who owns the name and where it is. Even then a lot of them just put bogus info down, like funny phone numbers and addresses.

Domain by proxy is whan a person registers a name with a service and the service registers that name, but you can still find out on some if you know what to do. This is another way they keep who really owns the site a secret.

[fed-up]

WOW! Thanks peterdragin...yet snother site that has run off

[sigx97]

Originally posted by watchdog
I appreciate concerned's "spunk" though.

quote:
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Originally posted by peterdragin

Just like I can say that I wonder if Greg likes Golf because he drives by a golf course to get to his apartment.

And if Ashu falls down and scrapes his knee he a can walk to a hospital


It was peterdragin, not concerned who made that wacko crazy statement. Come on watchdog, you know what he was getting at and it was a read between the lines statement. If a pro-matrix person would have made that statement then that person would have been warned or banned.

[Agent|Star]

Originally posted by sigx97
It was peterdragin, not concerned who made that wacko crazy statement. Come on watchdog, you know what he was getting at and it was a read between the lines statement. If a pro-matrix person would have made that statement then that person would have been warned or banned.


Exactly...
Peters was uncalled for and out of line. I am sure if I ever made such a post about Peter or any WatchDog follower I would get a warning or ban or edit or threat

[peterdragin]

NOT wacko just the truth.

One question ? How come the owners of the Matrix-Agency site
are NOT verfied ???? Looks kinda fishey that their Matrix sites are NOT verified..

No B.S. about the extreme way you go about verifiy them, you HAVE the right info just do it!!

I understand that you are in Hawaii, but it still only costs .37 cents for a stamp.

[sigx97]

Originally posted by peterdragin
NOT wacko just the truth.



Whatever, cue up the music from Fatal Attraction....

[Agent|Star]

Originally posted by peterdragin
NOT wacko just the truth.

One question ? How come the owners of the Matrix-Agency site
are NOT verfied ???? Looks kinda fishey that their Matrix sites are NOT verified..

No B.S. about the extreme way you go about verifiy them, you HAVE the right info just do it!!

I understand that you are in Hawaii, but it still only costs .37 cents for a stamp.


I have responded to this topic already, I will copy and paste it again for those who do not know why.


1. The two site owners need to be verified by the agents not associated with their site.
2. No site has gone through our real identity check up procedure.

Greg and Ashu both are required to do all the same procuders that everyone else is doing. You people seem to think we would allow them free passage? MatrixAgency is opperated by the Agents not Greg & Ashu, so this image of 2 site owners running everything is totally false. Also, we don't just take what a site owner plug in during time of registration and believe that it is true. The procedure is we air mail you a validation code you will then need to email us to validation code that you recieve in the mail this will confirm your address. Secondly for the phone confirmation we will call the number supplied and ask for the verification code (same that recieved in mail) and you will need to respond with it. This way the address and phone number that we do have we know its either the site owner or someone the site owner knows. Like I said in my first post, we are short staffed and no agent has activly begun this process on any site yet and I also said that Greg & Ashu will not handle themselves or eachothers verification part. WE NEED MORE HONEST AGENTS.


Peter it is not B.S. we are very backed up as this is our voluntary work. Yes, the cost for stamps are the same LOL what was your point to that? I don't know....