clayton L parker is a conman

[Dreamer]

Clayton's Past

http://p207.ezboard.com/fhighyieldfinanceforumsfrm1.showMessage?topicID=36 70.topic&index=2

Allow me to give some background, the gentleman helped pioneer the pre-paid phone calling cards back in 1986 when (if you remember, I do) a phone call cost upwards of 23 cents per minute. Well, to make a long story short, SPRINT passed out codes that were over due or behind in paying. As the codes were sold, and bills were sent to the re-user, FRAUD was yelled. This gentleman plead guilty and went to prison for 18 months. While there, he was in a minimum security camp with bankers and lawyers. He learned about the programs and all the background concerning the trading. He was also given names of traders when he got out, and back in 1992 was told that he would have to wait for 10 years, then could become involved. Well, as I found out, in 1994, he referred a rather prominent gentleman from London and acquired his first trading profits. From there he was allowed to work through another person who worked through another person .... etc. In 1998, he acquired the first $1M of his own and placed it until the trader died in 2000. That set him back for awhile until 2002 came around and his 10 years were up so he could work with another trader. In 2002 til 2005 (late October), he was in limbo because that trader could not perform. Then he took his $2M that he acquired and placed it in a year plan in October 2005. There were about 60 to 120 days delay which makes his funds due out in December 2006.


The current state of his financial success

http://p207.ezboard.com/fhighyieldfinanceforumsfrm1.showMessage?topicID=36 70.topic&index=14

As of right now, today, the total amount locked in with the offshore entity is $3.4M and growing at 35% per month. I've asked the top trader to grow it to $5M before releasing any profits, and then I will only need $500K per month to do what I have in mind.


Or maybe the background is:

http://matrixwatch.org/forums/showthread.php?t=4549

The Believers Trust holds earnings from an investment of $500K placed by a very kind and good hearted individual.


In any case, what ever happened to AWBW (Automobiles Way Below Wholesale)

http://www.web-life.org/vb/t348-.html


HOW THE BUSINESS PLAN WORKS:

AWBW purchases automobiles at 30% to 90% below WHOLESALE, and makes the needed repairs in order to sell those vehicles immediately at "wholesale" to local car dealers, or on occasions we run the vehicles through public auctions for immediate returns PLUS a larger profit "way ABOVE wholesale". It's a very sweet deal indeed for you as a Business Partner, and your CASH is not tied up over 20 days during the month. This gives us the opportunity to settle all accounts within 30 days every month, month after month. The best part is, all capital that you place with AWBW is secured by inventory with a profit already built in to it even BEFORE we purchase the inventory and an end buyer waiting to purchase. Can it get any better than this? You bet it can, read further to see how you can profit as as Business Partner.

HOW YOU PROFIT:

As a Business Partner, your commissions START at 6% per month on the funds you place with AWBW, this is very achievable and real. And, AWBW will make sure you receive an additional 3% BONUS on your funds. The very next Business Partner that joins will be your Jr. BP. You will receive 50% of what that BP earns each month on his funds. You will be introduced to that Business Partner because he/she will become your Junior BP. That individual may place several times more than you did, and you would receive 50% of what he/she receives on those funds as a BONUS to you giving you a raise from 6% to 9% per month IMMEDIATELY. This is just the beginning of how your monthly commissions can grow to astronomical amounts on small funds.

http://www.freewebs.com/awbw/


I dont quite know who this quote is attributed to, but from the same page:

One of their National Representatives ( NR ) is the admin of AWBW ( Automobiles Way Below Wholesale ) Now that Clayton Parker as he calls himself is connected with BondedII, hydroplane, and several other programs being ran by this group of scammers he has stopped paying out AWBW. So this program is still stealing from me with both hands.


Again same page:

Hookedonthis@SAFe-mail.net We will be providing you with a phone number once we get going good for you to call and correspond with the Administration. Right now, we are in a trial period seeing if this will catch on or not. It only cost $1.44 to start each position, and we will GUARANTEE the first 100 members will not lose and they will make a profit. SPREAD THE WORD ABOUT US.

It appears that hooked on this is beginning to catch on and positons are being purchased to fall in line for 10% per day. We guarantee that no one will lose because the funds are used in a real business venture. We will automate the site once we have 50 members and/or 50 different e-gold account numbers.


Anyhow, he is wanting to pay back his failed Bonded-investing from, i gather, around 2000-2001.

http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showthread.php?t=130646&page=1

Please do not criticize the old plan as it is OLD NEWS.

We ARE going to see that each of you are sent an amount you are due. The Admin was kind enough to form a Joint Venture with $20K to grow to the amount owed you.


I think using the 3.4 million he has available would really help out.

But why did Bonded-Investing 2 fail?

http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showthread.php?t=130646&page=2

FYI golddust, the man called Commodore was killed in 2004 otherwise the program would have continued. It was his ventures that were generating the profits to pay everyone from importing oil to the USA. That was a tragedy.


So what faith should people need?

http://babypips.homestead.com/SPPA.html

That is why I spend your money you sent as a deposit and tell you right up front that I'm going to spend it on anything my heart desires.


how honnarable is clayton?

http://www.talkgold.com/forum/r144061-.html

Be careful here. I have tried on many occasions to contact Clayton. He keeps changing his phone number and he want return a phone call. I have yet to find anyone who has made money with him. Hugeroi is pushing his program and I can't figure out why.


But thats Gregs fault, because the response from the same page is:

Where we live, we can not get regular phone service.

But there is a Clayton L Parker in the same city and state as Clayton L Parker that has somethng to do with driving a truck. Hmmm.. I wonder if they are related? 601 area code. Only Clayton Parker listed in the whole state.

Now, on to me. As posted by someone else here at MW. Same page:

I did make an enemy at matrixwatch.org with Dreamer who wasn't helped because I was banned there before I could get back to him, and he didn't follow through and made some negative post just recently out of ignorance. I made the comment at several other forums that I haven't been bandne yet that .... I'll water this down so it won't be offensive.


Lets backtrack just a little bit.

September 7th, 2006
http://matrixwatch.org/forums/showthread.php?t=4549&page=8&highlight=believer

Dreamer,

I have just talked to the (individual) and he says to look for some funds to arrive into The Believers Trust next week. Now, that is somewhere around the 15th or so.

The offer still holds: Write me, and I'll get you $1K


Digging up email I responded - September 8th, 2006, 4:41 AM

The last post on the thread from Clayton was October 11th, 2006. Thread was closed soon after I'm assuming. So, thats plenty of time past the 8th. Past the 15th. Almost a month past.

But wait...didnt get back to me?

Dated October 19th, 2006
http://matrixwatch.org/forums/showthread.php?t=4776

Dreamer, watch the home page. You are on board for $1K.

Thats a whole month after you said you would have the funds.

Even so, with your successful strategies playing Baccarat you can make $1000 in a day easily. How much were you charging again? Like $150/hour or something? You're a busy fellow

http://matrixwatch.org/forums/showthread.php?t=4629

But Clayton must be a good guy even though he is years behind paying back his other failed ventures. He made a friend with dusty girl.

http://www.matrixwatch.org/forums/showthread.php?p=47648#post47648

http://goldentalk.com/showthread.html?p=107017

http://www.web-life.org/vb/showthread.php?p=46409#post46409

Pretty active. This person was helped by clayton, but instead of leaving him a testimonal she leaves it on other sites. Interesting.

And good luck with your lawsuit against lloyd's bank.

[sisco50]

Go Dreamer. :) Good work. :)

[coppertop]

I've been reading this forum for a long time and followed some of the links about Mr. Parker and joined his fast cash program. I sent him $500 in August and have received 25% per month since then, and have received 5 payments to date out of 10. I am in profit now. He answers my calls and I get paid using his CASH CARD which is a Master Card. It's loaded instantly. One month I sent him a text message because I got my dates mixed up and though it was payday and I wasn't paid. He immediately sent me my $125 without question. Then I realized I made the mistake not him. And, it was on a weekend at that.

I don't see anyone posting here that has joined his company and is not getting paid. All I see is people who cry for other resons. like I said, I'm in profit and don't have any complaints. I would like to see someone post that sent him money and did not get paid if there is anone out there. Im in profit and am glad I gave him a chance with my risk money. I lost at every plan I joined at talk gold web site, and this is the first time I ever made money in any thing I ever joined.

My opinion is 180 degrees opposite of what the post above mine says. If he is a conman, then the other people out here and at talk gold are undescriblely worse. I will stick with a conman who has been to prison and paid for his sin. And, I thanky ou Mr. Parker. and my family thanks you.

Go ahead and slam me for making a post. It fits in with your attitudes and crying and whinning personalities.

I will be glad to tell you if he misses a payment and I will be glad to tell you if he doe'snt. We need more conmen like him around. Thats my opinion. Please post facts of his not paying. I don't think dremer has a case. I would not pay him either. He is like a dog that bites the hand that feeds it. Look at his logo of beating his head on a desk. To me that is sick.

Go ahead and make a fool of your self and slam me for finally joining this forum to express my opinion. CT

[Webwatch]

Hello Coppertop and welcome to Matrixwatch.

I'm sure Clayton will be pleased you have let us know about your success with one of his schemes.
Why don't you post this testimonial over at Talkgold as well.

I don't see anyone posting here that has joined his company and is not getting paid. All I see is people who cry for other resons. like I said, I'm in profit and don't have any complaints.One school of thought may be that he has no members and is just shilling forums to try and promote his scheme, or you could be one of the first few lucky ones to get in early enough.

I will be glad to tell you if he misses a payment and I will be glad to tell you if he doe'snt. We need more conmen like him around. Thats my opinion. Please post facts of his not paying. I don't think dremer has a case. I would not pay him either. He is like a dog that bites the hand that feeds it. Look at his logo of beating his head on a desk. To me that is sick.This sounds familiar. Why do you have a go at Dreamer when he was promised money that never arrived, all Clayton has to do is honour his word and pay up and this would really be a great victory for him over his critics.
I doubt you will tell us if you don't get paid because of fear that you will get the same treatment Dreamer has.

So Clayton (if your watching;) )I'll ask again-Pay Dreamer what you have promised and shut me up.

Go ahead and make a fool of your self and slam me for finally joining this forum to express my opinion.No slamming here.:)

[coppertop]

I have a minute before I head out to work as a waitress at "H". Its not true about me being the lucky one. I have access to a web page that all his members can call and talk to each other and he has a chat room too. I was there one night and over 26 people were on with him. You just don't know how he runs his program. He believes in communication that I do know.

It's ok if you don't know the full story He isn't shy about his past or why he did what he did. And I understand his points. And I have refered other to him. They are my friends and I'll know if something goes the wrong way.

You may not slam me, but I think he said he was banned for ever at this forum. "I think!' Why would you slam him so hard. It shows you play favorites. Anyways I got to go now. CT

[surfer]

I wonder if coppertop always registers at forums
with an email address used in ads for Clayton. lol lol lol

A nice little ad from July 13, 2005.
$'s within 3 days - $500 per day -- C, 12:35:27 07/13/05 Wed [1]
EASY to do and generates funds immediately.

What to do....

Make a simple phone call, listen to the recording.

Write me to confirm you want to participate.

Teach others to do the same, and $$$$.

1) Call: 212-990-7300 (do not press "star 6" it rewinds the tape.)

2) Write me and I'll give you the details to get to your back office at your personal web page.

NOTE: Completely legal, all documentation included.

Clayton
XXXXXXX@yahoo.com

Pickings must definitely be slim when scammers
waste so much time trying to make a ponzi
look good on an anti-scam forum.

lol lol lol :D :D :D

Too funny.

:nono: :nono:

[Webwatch]

You may not slam me, but I think he said he was banned for ever at this forum. "I think!' Why would you slam him so hard. It shows you play favorites. Anyways I got to go now. CT
Its not really fair to discuss a particular ex-members situation-the threads are all in the open so maybe you can view them to make up your own mind on fairness. As far as favouritisum goes-I don't thinks thats the case as I have to obey the rules too.

All I banned was a particular user name, theres nothing to stop Clayton appearing under a different user name, is there now.

As this thread title suggests its time for Clayton to pay up as promised or stop whinging about it, after all I'm sure it would be nice to shut me up for a while.

Addition:
As Surfer points out it seems you have some explaining to do when you get back from waitressing as you may now have thrown all Claytons promises and schemes into real jeopardy with these shill tactics.

Great find Surfer :applause: :bow:

[surfer]

As Surfer points out it seems you have some explaining to do when you get back from waitressing as you may now have thrown all Claytons promises and schemes into real jeopardy with these shill tactics.

Great find Surfer :applause: :bow:
I wish I could say it was a challenge to find. lol lol

It's so amazing that we've now had one poor
soul who lost the money Clayton gave her and
another that thought they had not been paid
on time. And both times, good ole Saint Clayton
came through with more cash.

Maybe we do have it all wrong. :bow: :bow:

lol lol

[hitec]

I am one of the eyes.


tinyurl.com/3xydhe

[Ferret]

I am one of the eyes.
http://www.tinyurl.com/3xydhe
I don't know if I believe this......Clayton has had 2 hours to make this page and upload it
Seems a little suspicious that the updated date is even mentioned

PS: Coppertop, did you forget to go to work? Last Activity: 7 Minutes Ago
That was over 4 hours ago....
Still see you coming back and reading

PPS: Too slow Clayton.........page now says Page moved, check the e-mail link, too bad I already saved it

http://www.tinyurl.com/3xydhe
July 2007

Updated Dec 28, 2007


This is the member page where we meet to coordinate our search for other members in immediate need, and the Bonded-Investment II people who are to be refunded.


Without the communication closely held and coordinated, we could appear lax in our mission. It's imperative that we keep good communication. I'm available all hours of the day and night.

Just a couple of things you need to do:

First, call me with a link you want to post something at, and watch that link for me. To do this, we will use the same e-mail address so we can watch the site and all e-mail replies will come to the same e-mail address.

I have asked the folks at talk gold to use this e-mail address and some noted it was my spam e-mail and questioned it, but they do not understand ALL of us are using it so to have the responses come to one central e-mail.

When you send me a link you logged into, register this e-mail address:


Redthum@yahoo.com


Ask the responders to place a certain SUBJECT in the subject line ... such as ... The Believers Trust ... BI-II or some other title so you can log in and pick out your title and respond to those inquiries. And all of us can pick our e-mail out of the crowd. It will appear it is only one person ME!


Now, we will have the same e-mail to watch eachother and not have to coordinate by phone or forwarding e-mails to each other and some communication get lost.


This way, we can go our own separate ways and meet back at one central point. The CHAT ROOM every night.


I have received over 15 different sites and links and can now receive every response anyone responds to. It lets me keep up with who is responding and I know who is handling that particular link. I only read the e-mail, it is up to you to delete it or forward it to your holding e-mail account, don't forget to send a copy to MY holding account.


In no way will I get involved with your post nor will I respond for you. I will read the sent file as you login and respond to your particular link that you are handling. Any discussion will be done in the CHAT ROOM, then you can finalize your response at that link.


Thankyou for helping in this project. It will appear that I am all over the web, which is OK with me. My name is out there and it will keep you from getting involved. Let them think they are bashing me. Most hyipers think they know it all anyway, so let them continue to live in ignorance, and it keeps your identity safe.


Thanks, don't forget our meeting at the chat room every night at 9:00pm to 11:00pm Central Time.


We will work out the problems in the chat room, then you can respond to the problem forum or hyip site in your own wording. I'll be in the background and let you respond to all the replies. It's your baby! I'll be laughing my tail off at their stupidity and presumptions.


I believe in communication and this is one of my thoughts that I don't think anyone has ever thought of before to have a web of 50 to 100 eyes looking at all the sites and keeping up with EVERY post as they are posted and getting on top of them at a moment's notice. And, it appears that only one person is doing it all.


AGAIN, SHOW UP AT THE CHAT ROOM EVERY NIGHT BETWEEN 9:00 to 11:00 Central time to discuss the particulars.



If you need to, write Redthum@yahoo.com and put your CODE in the SUBJECT line and I'll call you. Keep in touch and let me give the LOGIN to others. Please keep the LOGIN confidential or someone could get in and cut us out. I like the SCREEN NAME because it is well known at ALL pages everywhere. It makes it appear that I'm all over the web, and in a sense I am. Everytime you login, it appears it is ME.



We now have 37 with the login and growing. Please watch your links so we won't miss anything and I'll meet you at the chat room at the daily times to discuss the post and responses so it will appear that it is ME who is responding. That aspect is important so I can treat some sites like an ant hill, and I'm a 10 year old with a magnifying glass. Every time they raise their head, I can burn their ***. It's fun! Especially MatrixWatch, they are running around like pissants on an ant bed trying to dodge the concentrated heat.



Updates are posted at the link you have, check it daily.



Let's continue to do what we are doing. I like the scammers to think they have it all figured out, but are clearly dumb-founded.



Sign all links with:



Clayton L. Parker, Signatory Authority, over

The Believers Trust & The SAM Group, Company



Leave the red , off and everyone will know if I posted it or not. If the , is there, then I posted the post, if it is missing, then you posted it. DON'T FORGET.



That's the two thinks you need to know. So, use redthum@yahoo.com as the respond to e-mail so we

can all pick from the SUBJECT line our specific responses addressed to you or another ME.



Make it appear that it's ME there and not you. Say things that they have heard me say before. You can pick something out of the post to make it appear it's me by what you say. Keep them confused. And, let's find the BI-II members to pay back.



FINAL NOTE: If you make a post under your own screen name, still use our central e-mail to have folks respond. This will keep all of us informed and keen to the overall picture.



Thanks folks, your $20 will be sent on the 15th and 30th of each month and deposited directly to your CASH CARD.


Clayton, Cl8ton, Redthumb, TSGc, CLP

616-802-4477 Cell Phone

[Ferret]

One more thought on the email address redthum@yahoo.com

Doesn't this forum and other forums ONLY allow an email addresss to be used by ONE member
Any attempt to register another member with the same email would be rejected

[Webwatch]

Wow this is good stuff.

I can just see Clayton in headless chicken mode frantically typing this page out to try and cover up the slight error with the revealing e-mail addy.

Taxi for Mr Parker, or better make that a mini Bus with all the multiple personas.

Lets hope no one from Talkgold gets wind of this where Clayton is still trying to appear legit.

Doesn't this forum and other forums ONLY allow an email addresss to be used by ONE member
Any attempt to register another member with the same email would be rejectedHi Ferret, I believe thats the first time this one has been used.

[Ferret]

Wow this is good stuff.

Hi Ferret, I believe thats the first time this one has been used.
I realize that

My point was that he says he has 37 members all using this email address to post on many forums
That would be impossible......
None of this really makes sense but that is what happens when you are
dealing with a scamming conman like Clayton
You can't believe anything the h o m o phobe says or writes except that he really does hate f a g g ots (Claytons word not mine)

PS: WebWatch you hit it right on when you said Clayton is a repressed h o m o sexual that hates
his own man attracted instincts so much that he sees h o m osexuals everywhere.
Just like the famous bible bashing f a g hating preachers that get caught buggering men
He does protest way too much

PPS: Yahoo! Slurp Spider and coppertop both Viewing Thread clayton L parker is a conman
Hey coppertop did you decide not to go waitressing?

[Dreamer]

I really dont know if I want to respond. Besides that the site was proposed as of Aug 22nd, so couldnt have made a purchase from aug 1-19th. Also, the mastercards were just made available the other day, so couldnt ahve been getting money off it

Notice how everybody seems to have insiders information on Clayton, knowing his motives. How he's a wonderful guy. Having to mention me. Now the obsession seems to be my avatar.

Why bother with all this? Who knows. I was good on my word about not saying bad about ur scam until you paid me. That date has long come and gone.

[coppertop]

I'm a eye. So is my husband. So are my friends at work.

We are eyes and get paid for it. What's wrong with that? It beats the surfscams. Am "I" the same eye that signed up today? We share the same e-mail.

It's funny to see you making up theories to cover your ignorance. I will love the chat tonight.

Have ya ever wonderd how many "I's are visiting here to read the funny stuff?

I like the **** stuff. It's shows your ignorance of the Bible. Even I know better than that. "Be ye not deceived, neither ... ****sexuals ... nor ... shall inherit the Kingdom of God." I am a believer to.

What did you mean about posting the same e-mail on many forums to be impossible? I can post it here watch. redthumb@yahoo.com now how difficult was that? It wasnt impossible!!>>!??

I know one thing we need more conmen like him. After tonight in the chat some more "i"s might show up to say h"I".

I love this forum it tickels me what grown men say when they think theyknow it all. Got to go. By"I". CT

[coppertop]

Oh "I" forgot to say about the cash MC card. He paid me with noname VISA since november. I sent it back to him to send to someone in the united kingdom that could not get the cash MC card because of something he didn't have like a driver lisence. I just know I like the extra cash he pays me to be an eye. It is not a secret to be an eye, we only look for the BIII people and post on some forums that talk about him.

I think he is up north in New Jersey with his lawyer since Thursday signing some papers for a land deal. He made a note at the member page yesterday letting us know he would be traveling today and may not be in the chat tonight. Mr. S will host the chat tonite. I think.

Got to go back in for 2 hours for a friend at 9.30

Cya CT

[Ferret]

http://babypips.homestead.com/MemberPage.html
Page moved,

check the e-mail link

TODAY'S CODE ... YCG2?_#

All links have been changed.

Chat tonite will be delayed 45 minutes. See you there at 9:45cst

Note to MJ... Change your link to a shorturl and make the post. And, don't mention MW.org they are old news and chasing their tail.

Clayton called and will stop at a wifi truckstop and link up by 9:45CST. for tonights chat. He is on I95 in DC at 7:01EST. He is going to continue on south to a truckstop and will stop for the night and the chat, but will be about 1 hour late.

I'll see you in the chat. Use the above CODE. I will turn it on at 9:40CST, so don't try to login before that or you will not be able to enter.


We have some exciting news to share with you about the land deal Clayton has been working on since last Tuesday. I'll give you a hint, your annual income will increase by 50% in the "eye" and the "ears" program. The other plans will show an increase as well, but I'll let Clayton give you that news.

Will see you tonight. Those that don't show up will miss some good news about the sam group company.

Mr. S.Don't worry, I'll be there to say Hi

[coppertop]

I looked for you there Ferret where were you?

Got to go back up front. By"I". CT

[Webwatch]

Back again Coppertop:
We really are beyond the looking glass now.
It seems you share Claytons fire and brimstone religious interpretations:
I like the **** stuff. It's shows your ignorance of the Bible. Even I know better than that. "Be ye not deceived, neither ... ****sexuals ... nor ... shall inherit the Kingdom of God." I am a believer to.

Taken I believe from Corinthians 9-12 passages
Do you not know that the unjust will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers nor boy prostitutes nor sodomites
nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God.
That is what some of you used to be; but now you have had yourselves washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

As a huge percentage of the worlds population will fall into at least one of these category's, does that mean we are all doomed.

Throughout mankinds history the bible has been used to justify hatred for one group or another and yet few have turned round and said 'hang on a minute this can't be right' maybe the bible should be treated as a story book and not as a life guide. Maybe theres a chapter missing that explains each book of the bible is just a loose interpretation of one mans undersatanding at a particular time. Maybe its all a clever scam and as with all scams the truth is in there somewhere its just hard to find.

There is a possibility as well that all the sins above relate to the vessel (Body) and as long as the soul is kept pure then we cannot sin. But maybe thats just wishfull thinking.

Back to topic:
Copperpot when you see Clayton (probably when you walk past a mirror) could you ask him to pay what he has promised.

[Webwatch]

Lets hope no one from Talkgold gets wind of this where Clayton is still trying to appear legit.
It seems old Clayton now has a Temp Ban over at Talkgold together with a few of his Multiple Personnas.

I'm sure there are other forums he is working on but for now its seems the fairytale is over....or is it.

[coppertop]

Trying to appear legit .>?< Ha!

fairytale with Cinderella ending ...!<<

I joined the fast cash plan and will get some money in a few days. Dreamer should try that one if he is so in need. I can give him some pull. C likes me!!!

You can look for <fast cash> at his web page.

He is at the hospital with his wife, she has a lung dissease. Also had a operation at out patient room.

That is all I know. By"I" CT

[Dreamer]

So, what does a fast cash thing have to do with a believers trust and helping people?

Or since he's just a truck driver and cant keep his stories straight did he forget what his stories were?

What pull do i need? I actually need money, so that means i dont have any money to give away...funny how that works

[coppertop]

Hi D , you do have things all miXXed up don't you? What you need to do is erase your brain and start over read the site more to understand. I don't think there is a way for him to hand money out. I had to prove I wanted to help myself and borrow money. it takes money to make money Iguess. and, since you think he is scamming people like that person said, "your mother must be proud of you for taking some poor persons money", you talk bad about Clayton so you don't need to take his money and scam the poor either. You are calling him a scam. Maybe Clayton don't want you to feel bad after he gives it to you and that same person can't come in and tell you it must make you feel good about it. Does that make sense?

You don't need my pull since you don't understand. Just like me, i didn't have any money to give, so I borrowed it and will send his company enough to clear the bank paymnet.

I don't want to be removed from this site and you will have to look up his web page to get the plan address link. It is fast cash plan.

I am sorry you dont have any money to join. I din't have any money either. Some how he worked his magic and fronted me some money on a pending loan to help us pay our car payment. When I get the loan, I will make my deposit in that plan. He sent me a sheet that shows me getting $397 every month to pay the loan payment of $196.16 plus givem me $200 for 36 months. My car note is $175 per month or $38.00 per week. I will have almost $25 left over and in 13 months will have my car paid off and he says I will still get the $397 for the rest of the 36 months and then he will send me my deposit back along with the last payment.

My husband had a hard time understanding the cash flow chart, and I had to help him see how it worked. After he caught on he said that he must not be very smart in math as he thought he was.

I do know Clayton is not going to kick you away or something. He has rules that he has to not brake and just giving money out is a violation of that rule and he set up the plan so he could front some money to people like you as long as a loan is pending. I got $500 while the loan is pending and he told me if the loan did not go through it didn't matter but it will be approved. You really really need to read the page because I can tell by your questions to me you don't have a clue or if you did read the page, you did not understand what you read there.

Got to go now I have to work in the morning and pull a 10 hour shift.

By"I" CT
C layton owns a trucking company, he does not drive the trucks. He has a whole bunch of drivers. I don't know what truchin stories you are talking about.

[Dreamer]

of course he's the owner. They always are. A wealthy man like him.

Clayton has changed his story so many times in the past few months, so im not going to read his new version because it will change once again.

Though im not sure why i'm refering to "him" as clayton and not "you"

[coralal]

of course he's the owner. They always are. A wealthy man like him.

Clayton has changed his story so many times in the past few months, so im not going to read his new version because it will change once again.

Though im not sure why i'm refering to "him" as clayton and not "you"

maybe clayton should give back the money he scammed from many people back two years ago in his lead company. Clayton owes thousands to many members of a company i know.

[coppertop]

http://goldentalk.com/t25076.html

CT

[Webwatch]

Clayton-Getting a bit desperate now.
Is Goldentalk your last hope.

Lets hope you start living up to your promises as all you have done so far is talk.

Why is he so desparate to get our approval.

As for your latest 'Fast Cash' program like all the others it doesn't make sense. Get a loan for $5000 send TSG 70% :crazy: .

[coppertop]

The 'fast cash' program makes sense to many others, guess it shows the mentality of those who visit here. GG

[Webwatch]

The 'fast cash' program makes sense to many others, guess it shows the mentality of those who visit here. GG

Is that a compliment as I'm the first one to see it as a scam.
Maybe I'm the only one that thinks its all a little bit fishy.

[Gringo]

You don't need my pull since you don't understand. Just like me, i didn't have any money to give, so I borrowed it and will send his company enough to clear the bank paymnet.
Some how he worked his magic and fronted me some money on a pending loan to help us pay our car payment. When I get the loan, I will make my deposit in that plan. This is the M.O. of all the ponzi scammers. Zero verifiable concrete facts. Their explaination of how all the money is generated ends up being a secret or in your case "magic".

Go back through the threads here. Clayton was asked multiple times how everything worked and for verification. The explainations were convoluted, kept changing, and ultimately could not be revealed until after you were in.

When the scammer passes out a little cash as he has done in your case, people fall for the bait and throw all rationality to the wind. Only later after they end up sending the scammer their savings, borrowed funds, and getting their family and friends to do the same, and the whole scam crashes, do they in retrospect wonder how they were duped.

[concerned]

I have a minute before I head out to work as a waitress at "H". Its not true about me being the lucky one. I have access to a web page that all his members can call and talk to each other and he has a chat room too.

WOW!!! This is a first. A webpage that can take phone calls. Does the actual website answer the phone?

[coppertop]

GG here,

To: WebWatch

Have you ever been fishing? I think that even if you haven't, you would think the 'BAIT' would smell fishy. But, the results may or may not be worth while - that is unless you are lucky enough to catch anything.

What smells is probably your upper lip!

To Concerned,

What's your problem? You are picky and CT may not be too well versed in expressing her thoughts to old folks. I understand what she is saying, a phone number on the web page is there so 3 way calling to talk to Clayton is available as well as numbers to other members that each can call and talk to other members, and the Chat Room is available so everyone can chat at the same time.

CT said,

"I have access to a web page that all his members can call and talk to each other ..." What's so difficult about that. She has access to a web page (with phone numbers of each member) that all his members can call and talk to each other ...

Whatever type communication you wanted to use. Direct to each other, or Chat Room. He's available to anyone that wants to call him.

But, Concerned, I think you understood it right, the little girl didn't express herself like old fogie's are use to and, you just turned it around so you could criticize like the others that visit this forum.

Do you have anything constructive to add?

Your question is so STUPID, I won't even give the "no" answer? Can you pick the answer from what I said, or do you have to flip a coin?

GG
Redthum@Yahoo.com
(Subject line NOMENCLATURE = COLLEGE DREAM, MM, and TRUCKING)
With that in the subject line, the mail will be mine to answer.

[Ferret]

Hey GG
You should really set up your own account here

http://babypips.homestead.com/MemberPage.html]This page was last updated: January 22, 2007
Members

Page moved,

check the e-mail link

TODAY'S CODE ... i8ww3e8>

Good til Feb 1, 2007


ll links have been changed. Check the e-mail link for new URL.

NOTE TO ... GG AND CT

I want you to switch links with each other.

Clayton

[proberts123]

I'm an "eye" too.
Coppertop is GG's login now.
CT will not be coming back to this forum
because She is to young and imature to converse
with the mentality that is so apparent here.

I told them to switch links.

GG can hold her own in conversing with others here.
and CT needs a less hostal enviroment.

There have been posted here some real stories by some real people (and I have been a witness to confirm their truth). These people have been helped by Clayton.. It seems no matter what testimony the people helped are either insulted or called scammers themself. They simply made honest posts and don't need to defend their accounts. So don't expect them to continue to defend themselves against such non-Believer's posts.

Clayton wanted to give help to "Dreamer".. however the group meet and after reading past posts it was decided the person did not deserve Clayton's help for reason of non-believer posts. So funds earmarked were used to help others more deserving.

PT

[Webwatch]

I'm an "eye" too.We would never have guessed.

Still the farce continues.

With every forum Clayton posts on comes a request to come here and post something nice about him, Matrixwatch has truly become an obsession for Clayton who for some reason needs us to be convinced in order to move forward in life.

Yet he still can't understand that with every glowing testimony his schemes becomes less convincing which is quite an acheivment as it was not very convincing in the first place.

To be a good conman you need a few attributes such as a good memory, a believable scheme, an ability to convince a few you are genuine and to be able to realise when a particular forum is a lost cause and more damage is being done to your scams by constantly harping on about us. Clayton you are lacking on all these requirements.

Clayton even had the chance to be taken fairly seriously by paying Dreamer the promised $1000 but as with all bad scammers neither has the funds nor presence of forethought to be able to do this, instead comes up with lame excuses why Dreamer can't be paid.

So is Goldentalk Clayton's last chance, well if as here he started as screenname 'Believer' did he promise anyone $50 for making a post-if so maybe there is a member of goldentalk who is owed money as well. In fact the latest poster at goldentalk sums Clayton up quite well with one word 'Weird'.

Even I'm getting bored of these childish antics and Claytons inability to pull off any of his scams are only matched by his misguided religious interpretations.

Ironic with all these "eyes" Clayton has he still cannot see how lame all his plans are.

[littleroundman]

When dealing with such obvious scams in the past, I've always found it helpful to "assume" that every aspect of the "story" is faked.

Just assume, for one minute, that the whole "Sam group" story is at least a half way decent fraud.

That being the case, then the perpetrators will have made sure that every possible link back to the fraudsters themselves will have been carefully covered and disguised.

So, why not forget anything about the minor details and what may or may not be possible.

Why not instead ask a really basic question, like:

Who the heck is "Clayton L. Parker, and, what proof is there that either he or the "Sam Group" even exist as real "people" ???

I don't know about anyone else, but, I sure like to know I'm giving my trust, much less my money, to someone who really exists.

And, any "explanation" which begins with "for reasons of security I can't reveal" or "The directors prefer to remain anonymous" or "for altruistic reasons, we don't want to be embarrassed by revealing our real names"
doesn't quite cut it with me as the sort of thing an open and honest "charity" would be doing.

[coppertop]

It's on a need to know basis, and "You don't need to know".

GG

[Webwatch]

It's on a need to know basis, and "You don't need to know".

GGWow what a decisive response, I never saw that coming.:D

[littleroundman]

It's on a need to know basis, and "You don't need to know".

GG

It's funny,

with that simple answer, you clarified everything I "need to know."

[coppertop]

Hi,

I heard Clayton's wife tell him that one day. He asked here what she bought when he gave her some money to go shopping and she looked him in the eyes, and said that. It was funny!

SO, I said it in jest above!

GG

[seeingeye]

Hello Littleroundman,

I like your thinking. Who is Clayton L. Parker and The SAM Group, Company.

Do what I did, call the county court house and ask if the company exists. IT DOES! I checked. And, Clayton L. Parker is rather well known by the powers that be. I had no problem having the Sheriff tell me he went to school with Mr. Parker.

I further called an attorney in the town at random, and Mr. Terry Jordan also went to school with Mr. Parker and gave a good report to me.

That was just two calls I made out of six. Two heard of him, and the other two couldn't help me.

Mr. Parker lists his phone number at his site, why not call him. I did after having completed my due diligence on him. He is nothing like the picture painted about him here.

This is just my observation and my due diligence performed. I don't see anything else here that is proof of or associating his programs with a scam or ponzi. I did extensive due diligence by talking to other members that have known him over 8 years.

You can take most any ligitimate program and see ponzi or implied ponzi in it. Without proof, it isn't. I think the laws are still where you have to be proven to be guilty. Mr. Clayton L. Parker isn't in jail, and he is very easy to find. So if anyone was looking for him, he wouldn't be too hard to find.

I'm a rational person, and use FACTS as proof. The first thing I say was proof people were helped and posted at this forum. I saw no proof that he was running or hiding, and he is advertising he wants to pay others that were scammed right along with him. That just doesn't set right with me as him being a scammer. The characteristics don't fit at all. So, I questioned the ponzi accuations. They proved to be unfounded too.

I've got a meeting with Mr. Parker and his law firm later this month. I'll be looking into the IRA hypothecation of all or part of my funds. I'm sure that I will be enlightened or disappointed - one or the other at that meeting.

In my talks with Mr. Parker, he doesn't seem to be jittery or anything in answering my questions about the plan. He is firm and decisive in his speech.

What have some of you seen other than what you have read here or at his sight that might shed some light on an ACTUAL crime in progress? Those are the FACTS that I am looking for.

Like Littleroundman said, "who is....."

I want PROOF and FACTS!

Can any of you deliver?

And, again, I am asking IF Dreamer submitted an appliction to be paid. That is a material fact that I want to know. I'm not looking for hearsay. I need PURE AND SIMPLE FACTS.

My IRA has upwards of $300,000 and I'm still a few years away from pulling any of the money. I want $1M by the time I retire. If Mr. Clayton L. Parker is for real, I can achieve that using his IRA Hypothecation plan. My attorney and I will visit him in February 2007.

I see no PROOF here to deter me from making my visit along with my attorney and seek further FACTS on a first hand basis.

Marshall

[Ferret]

$'s within 3 days - $500 per day -- C, 12:35:27 07/13/05 Wed [1]
EASY to do and generates funds immediately.

What to do....

Make a simple phone call, listen to the recording.

Write me to confirm you want to participate.

Teach others to do the same, and $$$$.

1) Call: 212-990-7300 (do not press "star 6" it rewinds the tape.)

2) Write me and I'll give you the details to get to your back office at your personal web page.

NOTE: Completely legal, all documentation included.

Clayton
XXXXXXX@yahoo.com
I presume that the email is redthum@yahoo.com
Is this the real Clayton L Parker making this post?
It is his email address that he controls

What is VERY interesting about this post that Surfer found is that the phone # that Clayton or Cl8ton, etc is promoting is a recorded conference call for the Gifting Scam World of Wonder.

http://www.matrixwatch.org/forums/showthread.php?t=4326&highlight=wow
http://wowt123.com They have moved the website, if you want to find it call the conference # above

This gifting scam brings in a LOT of money and they are headquartered offshore in Nevis, West Indies.

5) Gifting programs have been around for a long time, and some of the wealthiest people in history have gotten their financial base for investment in other businesses by participating. Watch thesecret.tv
Maybe Clayton is using his SLS ( Silly Little Scam ) to launder his offshore cash back into the US?
This could explain his ridiculously high claimed return rate of 35% and the very complicated and convoluted explanations he comes up with
Returns this high could only be reliably sustained from illegal activities, drugs,
weapons, people trade, counterfeit goods, scams etc
You will notice clayton got involved in that thread......

[seeingeye]

I even hear he is recruiting people for suicide bombers. He pays you in advance and after the duty is performed he gives you cash for the check back. It seemed to be a good deal. I haven't done any due diligence on it yet.

The e-mail address is used and read by many people. I even heard the password, but didn't write it down at the chat. Write him and see who answers. You have to have the correct SUBJECT added for him to get it as I understand.

I'm still looking for FACTS and PROOF to use, and I still don't see anything posted. I see absolutely nothing to prove illegal activities. I want PROOF!

How do you know Clayton was clayton in the thread? That's like calling me Clayton. I want FACTS and PROOF. I've talked to people and got nothing but good reports. I read post and they are negative with no proof. I'll take the personal references that i've talked to and let the accuations here slide.

Just like I did the Grengo Resturant thing above.

You seem to be good at digging up post on or about him, how about digging up something that he IS illegal. Call the FBI, local police, or check court records - I did. I got nothing that he didn't tell me about before I started looking.

You can make accuations all day long, and ignore the simple explainations of how the 35% per month works. He even says something about how easy it is to understand as he has explained it at his site. I find it makes sense and is actually brilliant in the way he has structured it. It would be easy to prove ponzi or investment if the funds don't flow as he shows. Otherwise, it's simply brilliant.

It would be simple to prove it a ponzi or investment. Make a deposit and follow the money. If it is different than he say, then that's PROOF. If you don't believe anyone who is in his plan. Then PROVE it to yourself. I did. I don't see any change in his future way of moving the money.

If he is such a crook and scammer, you should make it your mission to get him of the street. Expose him for what he is, it's your duty to do it. Bring the PROOF and FACTS forward and get him arrested. It should be very easy with the accuations you have made here. Simply get the PROOF and send it to the authorities. There are several that should have something to bring forward. Anything will be PROOF. Anything!

Let's stop the talk and get down to business.

If you don't prove he is a scammer pretty soon or his plans are scams and will fail, you will look pretty bad 6 months from now. You need to act fast and don't let his program go much further.

Report him to the authorities, let them do your investigation for you. But, you could find yourself in litigation yourself if you can't prove what you insuinate. You'll need a victim and proof of loss. I don't see any here posting they are a victim.

I'll be seeing him soon to get the real story.

I doubt if I will ever see PROOF at this forum that his program is a scam or ponzi. It's like Mr. Dreamer said, it makes common sense to prove it.

I'm looking forward to asking questions in presence of attorneys and get my answers. I'll even get a guarantee in writing that the funds are secured with no loss or risk. And, I'll have authority to remove my principal with a written notice and refund in 10 days.

No one is going to make those type promises and have my law firm review it and scam me. And, I think he is prudent enought not to even get in a meeting if he couldn't perform in the first place.

And, Ferrit it will be very hard to prove what you say, and if you made the accuation, the judge would laugh you out of court. Times have changed and money laundering is a thing of the past with the homeland sucurity in place.

I've done a thorough due diligence search. My lawyer has talked to his attorney and he was impressed. I'll see shortly.

Marshall

[Arzel]

It would be simple to prove it a ponzi or investment. Make a deposit and follow the money. If it is different than he say, then that's PROOF. If you don't believe anyone who is in his plan. Then PROVE it to yourself. I did. I don't see any change in his future way of moving the money.

Marshall

That is a silly arguement. The beauty (or ugliness if you will) is that a Ponzi scheme is extremely difficult to prove until it fails, at which point it is too late for those that threw their money away. However, there are many trademarks of a Ponzi which are immediately apparent. The high rate of return with no risk is an obvious red flag to which no person should get involved. Furthermore, there is no way to prove as you describe. Since you/Clayton are unwilling to reveal the nature of where the money comes from.

This said I am quite certain that you are Clayton as well, and even if you are not it matters little because you are so closely involved in the scam as to make no difference.

[concerned]

Hello Littleroundman,
Do what I did, call the county court house and ask if the company exists. IT DOES! I checked.

County Court houses don't keep tabs on businesses. Places like Better Business Bureau do that.

And, Clayton L. Parker is rather well known by the powers that be.

I'm sure he is. I'm sure the "powers that be" have arrested him, and prosecuted him several times. Maybe he has a frequent shopper card for the court house.

I had no problem having the Sheriff tell me he went to school with Mr. Parker.

I further called an attorney in the town at random, and Mr. Terry Jordan also went to school with Mr. Parker and gave a good report to me.

I'm sure every town has an attorney that can afford to talk on the phone with a stranger that calls them at random. Cause attorneys aren't busy or anything. Anyway, why would it be important to ask an attorney? Why not a doctor, or a mailman, or a plumber. Why an attorney?

That was just two calls I made out of six. Two heard of him, and the other two couldn't help me.

OK, am I missing something here? 2+2 in my part of the world is 4, not 6. What happened with the other 2 calls? Maybe if you can't do math, that is why you don't understand the 35% part of the scam in another thread.

This is just my observation and my due diligence performed. I don't see anything else here that is proof of or associating his programs with a scam or ponzi. I did extensive due diligence by talking to other members that have known him over 8 years.

And I am sure you are a human lie detector and was able to know with 100% certainty that they weren't telling you a lie.
I've got a meeting with Mr. Parker and his law firm later this month. I'll be looking into the IRA hypothecation of all or part of my funds. I'm sure that I will be enlightened or disappointed - one or the other at that meeting.

And why are you privelaged to meet with these very important people? Are they going to teach you how to add 2+2?

In my talks with Mr. Parker, he doesn't seem to be jittery or anything in answering my questions about the plan. He is firm and decisive in his speech.

Actually, not being jittery means he doesn't have to think. That is because his answers are already scripted.

[seeingeye]

Hi Concerned.

I can see why you can't count, it's because you can't read.

Someone please explain it to her.

I would ask you to provide PROOF, but it would be a waste of time. Your silly little opinion is not worthy of mention. And, it's obvious you don't live in the real world.

Marshall

[Webwatch]

That was just two calls I made out of six. Two heard of him, and the other two couldn't help me.
6 Calls-2 heard of him (4 Calls left), other 2 couldn't help you (2 calls left).
So with your other 2 calls you can call your Mom twice and check she is still proud of you.

Count me in on the same boat as concerned that would be 4 of us then on your calculator.

Clayton must love all his customers like you that can't add up.
Bet he says you send me $500 and I'll send you 2 cheques for $200 each back so you will be $200 in profit.:)
No wonder you think his schemes are legit. lol
396

[concerned]

Hi Concerned.

I can see why you can't count, it's because you can't read.

Someone please explain it to her.

I would ask you to provide PROOF, but it would be a waste of time. Your silly little opinion is not worthy of mention. And, it's obvious you don't live in the real world.

Marshall

I can read. This is what I read that you wrote.

That was just two calls I made out of six. Two heard of him, and the other two couldn't help me.

THERE ARE 2 PEOPLE MISSING FROM YOUR STORY!!! I bet you think this picture has the word arithmetic spelled right also.

[seeingeye]

Concerned, don't you have laundry to do or supper to cook?

I said I made 6 calls, and I did. One to the Sheriff and an attorney, then 4 others, 2 didn't know him and 2 heard of him.

I'm not going to duplicate a post made in another thread. Look it up!

Marshall

[Dreamer]

THERE ARE 2 PEOPLE MISSING FROM YOUR STORY!!

He called the same person (himself) and spoke to 4 of his different personalities. 2 of them answered twice.

[concerned]

Hi Concerned.
Someone please explain it to her.




Concerned, don't you have laundry to do or supper to cook?


Oh, so you are a sexist who thinks a woman's place is in the kitchen and doing laundry. Well, here's some information for you. It is a well known fact that I am a man. I don't think anyone at this forum has ever mistaken that except for you, but now I am sure all the women here see you for the sexist chauvinistic person you are in addition to the scam supporter. Good job on that.

I said I made 6 calls, and I did. One to the Sheriff and an attorney, then 4 others, 2 didn't know him and 2 heard of him.


And since I am a giving MAN, here is a grammer lesson for you. I will edit your sentence to make it sound like you want it to sound. Let's start with what you wrote and show you what everyone else in the world is reading, and why you can't catch your error. I will translate it for you into dumb.

That was just two calls I made out of six. Two heard of him(The 2 that heard of him are the Sheriff and Attorney), and the other two couldn't help me.[b](and here are 2 more, so now we still have to account for 2 more.)

Now, to make your sentence more readable to the educated public, you should have said,

That was just two calls I made out of six. Of the other 4 callsTwo heard of him, and the other two couldn't help me.

Now, my next question is this. You called 6 people and only 2 out of 6 had something good to say about this guy. The other 2 that knew him you didn't say anything about what they had to say, so I assume it wasn't good. So, as far as I can tell, 2 out of 6 gave him a good reference. That is only 33%, and that was good enough for you to think he was god? Wow, I guess you really did do your homework this time.

[Webwatch]

seeingeye maybe its just me but on the other thread you said:
I made 6 calls. One to the Sheriff at the courthouse. One to the attorney. One to a jewlery store, one to an accountant, one market, and one drug store.

and your post above you said:I said I made 6 calls, and I did. One to the Sheriff and an attorney, then 4 others, 2 didn't know him and 2 heard of him.
So we can take it that the Sheriff of the County New him and also the attourney new him, so thats 2

As there where 4 other calls to: Jewlery Store, accountant, Market, Drug store. only 2 of these new him and 2 didn't which 2 new him then.
This is a remarkable bit of due dilligence and its either a very small town or your making the whole thing up.

The trick with telling fibs is not to over-embelish, or over-exagerate. In fact the best lies are usually overlooked and are mearly to sow a seed-when these lies are referred to later in a story it becomes such a matter of fact that they are more convincing. Just a quick tip not an insult, honest.
i.e 'I said I made 6 calls, and I did' This is over embleshment again its not needed really it isn't-but keep it up anyway as I have some junior pyschology students using you as a case study on Transference, one smart arse thinks you may have suffered an early childhood trauma that leads you to become insensed by anyone who doesn't believe you or disagrees with you which manifests itself in fictional stories and a deep seated self hatred that is projected on others-and stuff.
One thing all 5 in the group are convinced of is that Clayton should not be trusted with anyones cash.

If you had just said 'I made 6 phone calls 4 of the people I spoke to had heard of him 2 hadn't' it would have been more convincing.

You could have used this later on and said all the phone calls I made prove Clayton is legit and it would sound more convincing, or possibly not.

[concerned]

I need PURE AND SIMPLE FACTS.


Here are some facts for you.

The following users are all using the same IP addresses that you use.

coppertop
workathomemom


Is that a coincidence that they also support Clayton the same as you?