New STA'er forums for fellowship continuity

[Casandra]

http://stacontact.myfastforum.org/index.php (scottgray)

[Ferret]

Holy crap
They are already signing up to get into a 2 up matrix

http://stacontact.myfastforum.org/ftopic12-0-asc-10.php
Welcome to Heather and tomlint, BrdytoC also!
Glad to have you on the team.

Heather to answer your question, this is how we will probably do this.

The No. 1 on the team will signup to an "agreed upon" company.
Then the No. 2 on the list will join under the No. 1 URL link, making No.2 a personal referral signup of No. 1. Then on down the team list, etc.

Depending on the program, there are benefits to having someone personally under you such as referral bonuses.

A 2-wide Force Matrix has only two slots on the first level.
Then other levels follow as 4, 8, 16, 32, etc.
I have done this type of coordinating before and it does work!

But lets not go too deep with this until we decide on a company and comp plan. Hopefully it will be inexpensive, as many of us have lost lots of money in other ventures.

[drankoolaid]

Hmmmm well well --

Boob (Nilsson) doesn't even have the good sense
to assign himself a NEW user name on the New
Biz Op STAy commiseration - drifters board --

http://stacontact.myfastforum.org/Thanks_about19.html

Michael

[seekingtruth]

This is actually hosted by scottgray, not scott97477.

http://sta-forum.com/viewtopic.php?p=383130#383130

For those that cannot read the link, here it is:
scottgray
Royalty - Over 100 posts


Joined: 02 May 2004
Last Visit: 01 Mar 2007
Posts: 236
Topics: 12

Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 10:24 pm Post subject:

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I've created a "quickie" forum here that should at least do for now; I can host a permanent one myself if need be a bit later on. I thought a priority would be to get one up where people can register and keep in contact right away.

[Casandra]

gyak...

Hello all you wonderful people!

Sadly, STA has closed its doors.

Happily, we still have a great group of talented people.

If you would like to stay in touch with what STA-ers are doing moving forward, please visit this link and enter your information.

Then, please pass this on to any other IBA's you think might be interested.

www.dontlb.com

Many Blessings,

Keith and Maura

[tafkaga]

I guess the old adage rings true here.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

These 'victims' seem to be walking into it once again. Shame on them for enabling yet another scam. By enabling the scam they become part of it. There's simply no excuse for ignorance anymore.

[RighteousAnger]

This is actually hosted by scottgray, not scott97477.

http://sta-forum.com/viewtopic.php?p=383130#383130

For those that cannot read the link, here it is:

For what's it's worth, I could find only one listing for "Scott Gray" in the listings for zip code 97477

http://www.whitepages.com/10583/log_feature/pers_search_w_email/search/FindPerson?firstname=Scott&name=Gray&city_zip=97477&state_id=OR&default_listing=phone&extra_listing=mixed

[Golfer2]

The name for Scott 97477 is listed in the YM members list as Scott Hall

Scott Hall has 2 accounts in YMMSS & Scott Gray also has 2 accounts in YMMSS....:yes:

[RighteousAnger]

Whoever is running it, the only thing deemed "uncivil" seems to be negative speculation about STA. Deja vu!

[isurrender]

You establish a forum for fellowship continuity, and proceed to insult any STA member who would look at it. Do you people ever read your own posts? A kinder gentler Matrix Watch? Yeah right. Don't see how this place is one bit different than the YM forums except a bit cruder. Speculation is bandied about as fact. You are the National Enquirer of Website. If we print it, it must be true. Now I'm going to get on my imaginary plane and take an early morning trip out of here. You are just here to help. Ya right and here is a bridge for sale. Just get out your salt shakers so you can continue pouring your salt into the wounds while you try to entice people to sign up for your site. If WLD is your solution, unfortunately Kim should have no legal problems from you? Don't see how what some of your members are doing is any more truthful than he was. Do not accuse me of being a blind YM supporter. I am just as P**sed as everyone else. But if you guys are the salvation, God help us. The masochists in Ym are going to love your site. One thread says come and join us we will help. At the same time you are bad rapping everyone and personally making fun in other threads. Such insincere garbage. Do the people who run this site have a life or is this it?

[Webwatch]

Hello Isurrender, I can appreciate how you feel and I assure you there is no intention to rub salt in the wounds for any of the victims of YMMSS/STA.

Yes there will be some humour/critique aimed at those who may only wish to use an established victim base to profit from other programs but everyone is free to make their own decisions.

There is no 'I told you so' situation here and as far as salvation goes thats an individuals right to seek some sort of recompense for being defrauded either by filling complaints or just telling their indvidual story which others can relate to. I can not promise that any action will occur by constantly filling complaints but I can promise that nothing will happen if you don't.

Please feel free to share your own story with us if and when you choose too.

I'm sorry any posts you have seen here have been upsetting but please don't consider this a harsh environment as all are welcome and we will not delete posts just because they are negative or criticall even when we ourselves are the ones under scrutiny as per your last post.

[mercinary]

If WLD is your solution, unfortunately Kim should have no legal problems from you?

WLD isn't the solution (or at least not the only solution). We encourage all victims to file complaints with all kinds of government agencies. My personal hope is that the Indiana Secretary of State Securities Division has launched an investigation into this, which will eventually bring criminal charges against Kim Inman.


Do not accuse me of being a blind YM supporter.


Am I to guess that this indicates that you're one of the many that are pursuing keeping STA alive, or one of those pursuing the next set of investment schemes that are being touted on the ymforums? I would love to hear from someone who has this mindset, as many of us don't understand how people can be taken for so much money and then be willing to pour more money into a similar scheme. If you're not one of those folks, I guess I'm barking up the wrong tree. :)


But if you guys are the salvation, God help us.


Salvation is a strong word. We are here to guide the victims of internet fraud.

One thread says come and join us we will help. At the same time you are bad rapping everyone and personally making fun in other threads. Such insincere garbage. Do the people who run this site have a life or is this it?

Keep in mind...there is a distinct difference between your average member at Matrixwatch, and the ownership/staff. The staff includes 10 people who spend dozens of hours every week volunteering on this site, ultimately trying to make the internet (and I guess the world) a better place. Our staff makes every attempt to be kind to everyone (both friends and foes). Any mud-slinging that might go on here is limited to the members that make up our community.

NOW, you also mentioned that this forum is just like the ymforums. One thing that completely separates us from that forum (or the forum run by any scam) is that we do not delete posts when we don't agree with their tone. This is a perfect example of that. You are hurt by folks making fun of people. I feel very bad that this is the case, and I NEVER want that feeling associated with Matrixwatch, but that doesn't mean we will delete any posts of that nature. We do our best to police our forums, as bashing other folks is strictly against the forum rules (http://www.matrixwatch.org/forums/announcement.php?f=84). Anytime I personally come across such behavior, the member is given a warning. About 6 months ago, we had a serious issue with people just blatantly and continually bashing other folks. Out of that, there were even some bannings, which we could avoid. Many, many warnings were given before we had to take the ultimate step. You'll also note this post (http://www.matrixwatch.org/forums/showthread.php?t=5147) that I recently made regarding keeping things clean around here.

So long story short (I didn't mean to get this winded), I hope that I can help you see the fact that Matrixwatch really is here to help people. We don't benefit a dime from this website. Never have, never will. Look around...no advertisements, no "pay-only" sections of the website, nothing. We hold a donation drive, which covers our meekly costs required to keep the site up and running. Our only motive for getting people to sign up for the site is so that we have a direct means of contact with them (via PM, email, or via our newsletters) anytime something big goes down and we need to get in touch with them.

-Merc

[RighteousAnger]

ISurrender,

It's an unfortunate fact that beneficial "medicine" often has an unpleasant taste. Nobody likes to be proven "wrong." But, being "right" about something so wrong is no fun either. I think every one here would much rather have seen STA take off and become a raging Success!

If you see someone who seems to be "making fun," it's merely a by-product of frustration and should not be taken personally. Despite the head-butting that goes on here, I hope you'll find that the general motivation here is a positive one.

[Ferret]

isurrender

November 13th, 2006
If you believe in WLD will save you, you probably are still waiting for WMD in Iraq. I think this group who seems to have been scammed by everyone on the internet needs a new forum. How about get a life?

May 26th, 2006
What is a perpertrator?
Couldn't find it in the dictionary. If you mean Perpetrator, no I don't tink I am thateither?

May 26th, 2006
What an angry group of people. Sounds like you all see the world thru crap colored glasses. Maybe you all need to get a life. What would you do all day if you didn't have YM/ Kim Inman to vilify? If you are an unhappy member, move on. I hope the SEC checks out matrix watch. This is the nastiest forum I have ever seen. I guess it is good there is a place on the net for all the discontented people to talk to each other. Misery does love company and there certainly seems to be enough company here, though I do see the same threads by the same few over and over again. May it pass quickly if this is how you see life.


You establish a forum for fellowship continuity, and proceed to insult any STA member who would look at it. Do you people ever read your own posts? A kinder gentler Matrix Watch? Yeah right. Don't see how this place is one bit different than the YM forums except a bit cruder. Speculation is bandied about as fact. You are the National Enquirer of Website. If we print it, it must be true. Now I'm going to get on my imaginary plane and take an early morning trip out of here. You are just here to help. Ya right and here is a bridge for sale. Just get out your salt shakers so you can continue pouring your salt into the wounds while you try to entice people to sign up for your site. If WLD is your solution, unfortunately Kim should have no legal problems from you? Don't see how what some of your members are doing is any more truthful than he was. Do not accuse me of being a blind YM supporter. I am just as P**sed as everyone else. But if you guys are the salvation, God help us. The masochists in Ym are going to love your site. One thread says come and join us we will help. At the same time you are bad rapping everyone and personally making fun in other threads. Such insincere garbage. Do the people who run this site have a life or is this it?

[mercinary]

Thanks for the history lesson Ferret. :)

isurrender: I wasn't aware you have been so bitter for so long.

-Merc

[Casandra]

You establish a forum for fellowship continuity,
sorry for any misunderstanding. This thread was for posting about new forums on the web which allow STA'ers to keep in touch. If other forums turned up, they might have been listed here as well.

MatrixWatch isn't "the forum" I was posting about. I made the thread and posted a link to one of the new forums. That forum in my post has nothing to do with Matrixwatch! Further conversation about any forums was incidental.

Was I wrong to put this here where those seeking other places might find it? By the way, if you don't like this MatrixWatch, why do you want to be here? There must be a forum someplace out there that will be a perfect fit for you. MatrixWatch welcomes all views; so if you like bumping heads, that's fine too. Some people thrive on controversy. They don't usually surrender up front though :D

[boatman189]

Well isurrender...WE TOLD YOU SO!!! Seems to me that your the only one here that has the same sad story to say, over and over and over again. If you have something substantive to say about the YMMSS scam and the perpetrators Kim and company pro or con please do. Would love to hear it! However, coming here to simply insult those of us who want to see justice served is rather distasteful.

[Casandra]

http://ymforums.forumup.co.uk/index.php?mforum=ymforums