Colon End Parenthesis : CEP : Religious based scam

[Ferret]

http://www.colonendparenthesis.net

There is a new MW member pushing this scam to those
vulnerable people here who have just got out of another
religious based scam YMMSS

Their line is Stop surfing and take a leap of FAITH into Auto-HEAVEN :(

http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/cep.php?page=3

The only levels currently open are levels 1 and 2, 360 and 180 days respectively. We will gradually open the other levels as it becomes financially safe to do so.

We are currently offering multiple options to invest your money. You can automatically purchase your levels of Colon End Parentheses (yes, that's plural. ;-)) from the purchase page in the members area. When you first join, your initial deposit must be a minimum of $20. After that, you can deposit additional units in $5 increments. We only accept CEP Trust for payments, as other processors are either too unstable or too immoral to be trustworthy. You can signup for a CEP Trust payment processing account here.

When you make a deposit, it will take affect the following business day. That gives us time to diversify the funds for you. When you are at the cashout/compound page in the members area, you have several options PER DEPOSIT. So, if you have made 5 deposits, you can choose different options for each one if you like. ;-) You can 1) request the entire amount to your CEP Trust account, 2) compound the entire amount, 3) compound half and cashout the other half to your CEP Trust account. :-) We also have a 90/10 and a 10/90 choice for withdrawals and compounds in addition to the options just mentioned. You are eligible for a payment after 30 days of each deposit (except the 35, 40, and 45 day options...you are paid for those at the end of the term. ;-)). So, if you made one deposit for a 360 day option on the 10th of January and an deposit for a 60 day option on the 17th of January, you will be eligible for payout with the first on the 9th of Feb. and the 16 of Feb. for the 2nd. Check out the cashout/compound page in the members area for more details. :-)

[Ferret]

Religion + Business = Scam :shake:

http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/cep.php?page=8

Greetings!

I wanted you to have an idea of who I am. I figured this would bridge a bit of a gap that exists in far too many businesses today. First and foremost, when anyone asks who I am, my answer is thus: I am a Christian. This defines the way I think, the way I live, the actions I take, the words I speak, and absolutely everything that governs my life. I have my BA in Religion and Philosophy from Susquehanna University in central Pennsylvania, USA. I am currently attending Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary in pursuit of ministering for the Lord Jesus Christ. I have been blessed with a wonderful family, a wonderful fiancè, incredible friends, and everything I have I attribute as a blessing from God Himself. I have been blessed with a morsel of intelligence in several areas of study, including the financial world. Unlike most "professionals", I disagree that one has to keep a tremendous distance between partners in business (thus, this profile page ;-)). This way, you have a general idea of who I am and what guides my decisions in this business. You will find great honesty here. You will also find a fallible human being. I make mistakes. When I do, I attempt to fix them as best as possible. I can guarantee that I won't always please everyone with this business, and that's not my intention (therefore, the "inability" to please everyone is not a failure or lack of success here). Everyone will be treated fairly, and I hope that all of us may prosper together within this community. As always, I am available to answer any questions you may have. I never mind having suggestions, either, as this is my first official internet business. I check it at least once a day most days (and I will send out e-mails before going away for a few days). Regardless, even on vacation, I usually have at least a menial access to the internet. Please do send any constructive criticism along so I can make this service even better and offer you more of what you would like to see!

Trevor Reed

[Ferret]

CEP / Colon End Parenthesis wants you to believe that PayPal isn't
"trustworthy" and is "immoral" so they use their own site
https://www.ceptrust.com that just happens to be down
right now lol

The truth of the matter is that PayPal won't deal with scams
like CEP who puts out religious cult statements like this right
before they steal your money ;)

PayPal announces its update downtimes and does them in the
small hours of the morning

We only accept CEP Trust for payments, as other processors are either too unstable or too immoral to be trustworthy

https://www.ceptrust.com/

CEP Trust is down for upgrades

We apologize for the downtime, however it is for the continued performance of our website. We are working as hard as possible to get the site back online as quickly as we can. We will notify all members via email when the site is back online.

Thank you,

CEP Trust, LLC Staff

[sisco50]

Did I read that Clayton was involved in this venture? Yes, I think I did! :(

[Ferret]

Did I read that Clayton was involved in this venture? Yes, I think I did! :(No you are wrong,
don't go starting unsubstanciated rumors....

Clayton L Parker AKA Believer couldn't program his way out of a very wet
paper bag. Have you seen his very mickey mouse free homestead
website? It looks like a 5 year old made it lol :p
This Clayton makes a fairly decent site
Definitely NOT the same Clayton

Clayton Kimbrell
Co-Founder & Co-Owner
Clayton is the chief programmer for CEP Trust, and also handles some customer support issues and fundings/withdraws.

http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/cep.php?page=11
Within a few weeks, Clayton found us and added his massive programming skills to our repetoire. Together, he and I turned CEP into a website with many features for you to access and use. My fiancè, Ginger, came onboard a few months after that to do the design work for all of our sites, and we gained 300 more loyal members the week our new design was up. And we recently welcomed Russell to take on some of the daily administrative tasks so Clayton and I can focus on the upcoming programs we'll be launching and on the customer service we value so highly. We will be adding other features as the business continues to thrive

Here is the rest of the baloney
The first and main purpose of this site is to help you make money. I have been successfully making money on the internet for some time now, and I want to help you do the same. I know how hard it can be to find trustworthy places to invest on the internet. That's why I decided to start Colon End Parenthesis. Any money you deposit into our program will have my personal guarantee to earn more money over a selected period of time. This will not be a Ponzi scheme (or pyramid scheme). I will not be counting on future deposits in order to payout! I have learned where to trust monies to make a profit, and that's where the monies with which you trust Colon End Parenthesis will go. You will find nothing but honesty here, so you can ask me any question you like. I have a profile so as to break down the "I'm better than you" barrier. I'm just your average person who wants to work together to build wealth in the lives of interested people. There's a link to the left explaining what we currently offer in greater detail, and we are working on an FAQ and an in-depth guide to assist new members. Always feel free to e-mail us with you questions, and--perhaps most importantly--have fun!
What a load of CRAP. Anytime a program says it is NOT a Ponzi scheme
(or pyramid scheme) then that means that of course they are.
Can you find any REAL business that has to make these kind of disclaimers?

The first and main purpose of this or any site is NOT to help you make money,
but to make money from you. Anyone who BELIEVES otherwise
is a fool that will soon be parted from their money.
What is this guys personal guarantee worth? How is he going to back
this up when the things go bad? Sounds like meaningless words to me.

Kim Inman had a triple your money guarantee which we are still waiting
for him to honor :(

[Ferret]

Funny how these scammers always tell you up front how
it is going to go bad, even if they say it as a negative

Hopefully most of you learnt your lesson from YMMSS and
Kim Inman and are not repeating it on this one.

They are admitting that are All monies entrusted to CEP are
considered investments.
I wonder if they are registered with the SEC?

http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/cep.php?page=9

Terms Of Service

CEP Terms of Service

"Simply let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and your 'No,' 'No'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one."

Matthew 5:37

Strange way to start a terms of service? That's ok; we have a strange way of running business. Fact is, when we say something, we mean it. As noted on the About Us page, this business is built on a Christian foundation, and on that foundation of Truth it will stand. This being said, there a few things I'd like to go over before you finish signing up.

1. If you plan to cheat, scam, or steal, this is not the place for you. This host is honest, and we ask the same of you. We will do our best to hold to everything we've said, pay you in a timely fashion, and continue to add new services for you. If, however, any of the benefits we offer should begin to hurt the company--whether it be from member abuse or something we missed in foresight while planning--we will notify you via update if we decide to make a change. We are here for the long run, and all of us, members and administrators, need to be flexible in order to ensure longevity.

2. Also in regards to integrity, you are agreeing that you will, indeed, pay whatever you owe your government in taxes on all of your interest earned through CEP. All monies entrusted to CEP are considered investments, and what you earn and are paid is considered interest. If you are dissatisfied with the service, you may request a refund up to 30 days from the date of purchase. If you have been paid any monies from us, you will no longer be eligible for a refund. If there are any issues, please contact us regarding the problem before going elsewhere. We are here to help. We want to see you succeed, as well. :-)

3. We will only invest the monies you entrust to us into companies that have earned our trust. We will do everything possible to spread your money out and keep it safe. If major companies that we use go out of business, we may take a hit and have to re-evaluate certain aspects of the program. This does not mean we will give up. We will not be running with anyone's money, so do not fear for that. If we had to change anything, it may just be limiting which options members could choose until everything is straightened out. If this happens, it would require the patience of all of our members and our admin. We will not tolerate any act against our site, and that includes extreme cases of impatience. If you're concerned about a payment, contact us. No program or script is perfect, and something may have been missed. We will look into it and reply to you. We will not steal anybody's money! We have done our research (several months of research) and have a pretty good eye on companies that are safe to invest with. We are here to do the research and investing for you, so you do not have to, thus saving you time.

4. As a Christian company, we will be forced to exercise tough love to any member who is intentionally hurting the company and clear them from our database. This is for the safety of our other members, the business, and the administrators. This includes having more than one membership. The referral program is a nice incentive to the program. If you abuse it, you will be cleared from our database for the above said reasons. There is no reason for more than one account. You do not need more than one membership, and--if you sign up for multiple memberships--it only means you are trying to cheat the system and get referral commissions from your own money. Bad idea. We log IP addresses, and these rules will be enforced. Please do not try to hurt our company. It is our desire to serve you. Please treat us respectfully, for you will be treated in this way. A word of warning: If you do not have patience, you are not meant to risk any monies in high yield investment programs. So, please be sure you are qualified before signing up. That's really it. We are excited that you have chosen Colon End Parenthesis, and we look forward to serving you for many years to come. :-) Welcome! :-D

[Ferret]

Just in case you don't get it yet and see the writing on the wall

Colon End Parenthesis : CEP : Is a Religious based Scam

Looks like YMMSS all over again.....

I would be curious to know how much money has been sunk
into this so far

[Webwatch]

I'm trying hard to research this but for some reason I can't get past the name. 'Colon end parenthesis'. I mean who in their right mind would come up with a name that summons up images of tricky bowl movements (well to me anyway).

Colon End= Rectum

Parenthesis= Interruption (placing words between brackets or other forms of punctuation to interrupt a sentance).

Therefore.
Colonendparenthesis = Rectum Interruption = Constipation.

When I think about it though its fair description as more money would be flowing in than will ever flow out.

[sisco50]

Yes, probably a different Clayton. But I did see a Clayton. Guess I am not senile after all. lol

Not sure what a bowl movement is but I am familiar with a bowel movement. :)

[Webwatch]

Oops-Yes Bowel thats the one, I'm always mixing up my Bowels and Bowls.:o :)

[mercinary]

OK, you are messed up Webwatch.... :D

When I read "Colon End Parenthesis, I picture this: : )

It is a smiley face man....not related to bowels.

-Merc

[Angery Dog]

Cep pays me and that is more than I can say about any of the other so called programs. Yes their Trust pays when they say they will and the amount promised also. One member just got a $6000.00 payment today and many more got smaller ones. How much did you mud slingers get? I got $76.00 yesterday. So until you have tried it I wouldn't make bad comments about it if I were you. It will close today and go back to a private investment company----TO BAD YOU LOST OUT!!!!!!

[Ferret]

Cep pays me and that is more than I can say about any of the other so called programs. Yes their Trust pays when they say they will and the amount promised also. One member just got a $6000.00 payment today and many more got smaller ones. How much did you mud slingers get? I got $76.00 yesterday. So until you have tried it I wouldn't make bad comments about it if I were you. It will close today and go back to a private investment company----TO BAD YOU LOST OUT!!!!!!
So you got paid $76?

How much do you have invested in CEP?

What percentage of interest are you getting on your investment?

How long have you been in CEP?

What other programs are you involved with that didn't pay you?

[Webwatch]

It will close today and go back to a private investment company----TO BAD YOU LOST OUT!!!!!!
So its closing Today, damn I missed the boat on this one.

Shame because with all the Christian stuff I was nearly convinced, I just got lost in the Colon I guess.

[Ferret]

http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2249&sid=de52a9060e6f06e91e9b10c534d9611b

Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 3:01 pm Post subject: Safe Amount?

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Is it better to start off safe with a lower amount? Thanks for the help.

Joined: 03 Apr 2007
Posts: 7

Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 3:43 pm Post subject:

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Just want to say welcome to CEP. The people here are great and you won't regret joining. Also, I'm from houston too.

Anyways...I put in as much as I could have afforded to lose, which was a low five figure amount. Yes, it is safer to put in a lower amount, but you also lose the potential of earning a lot more.

If you do 100% compound the first month and 100% withdraw the second, you will have pulled back 96% of your initial investment and at the same time made your account grow 1.6 times what you first put in. If you are willing to hold your breath for two months, I would personally advise you to put in as much as you can afford to lose (never put in money you will need for finances). Also I can say that I am definite this program will be around for two more months and I know everyone else here will agree to that.

[sisco50]

Cep pays me and that is more than I can say about any of the other so called programs. Yes their Trust pays when they say they will and the amount promised also. One member just got a $6000.00 payment today and many more got smaller ones. How much did you mud slingers get? I got $76.00 yesterday. So until you have tried it I wouldn't make bad comments about it if I were you. It will close today and go back to a private investment company----TO BAD YOU LOST OUT!!!!!!

Angery Dog

Question for you. Why is it that I don't feel that I LOST OUT? lol

[Angery Dog]

You are like Jessee Jackson and Al Sharpton.
All you can do is speculate and bad mouth. You don't know of anyone in CEP that has ever lost a dime and I have been watching it for over a year. I draw 2% compounded per day every 30 days in interest. I invested $120.00 so figure it out. You know you could be sued for spreading rumors about a company. Unless you can prove your case I would keep my big mouth shut.

[Ferret]

You are like Jessee Jackson and Al Sharpton.
All you can do is speculate and bad mouth. You don't know of anyone in CEP that has ever lost a dime and I have been watching it for over a year. I draw 2% compounded per day every 30 days in interest. I invested $120.00 so figure it out. You know you could be sued for spreading rumors about a company. Unless you can prove your case I would keep my big mouth shut.
Jessee Jackson and Al Sharpton are hypocritical
conmen and shake down artists, we might even agree on that eh?
but lets stay on topic......

If you are so confident why the very small amount?
Why don't you put tens of thousands in like the person above?
You can't be too sure that CEP is not scam. do you have doubts?

So you are still not in profit, I noticed that CEP has very hefty fees
to get your money out unlike PayPal and their main payment
buddie is e-gold the scammers friend. CEP even charges $3 to
send money to a US bank where as PayPal is FREE

Thanks for your answers......you didn't answer this one though
What other programs are/were you involved with that didn't pay you?
Were you in YMMSS?

[sisco50]

You are like Jessee Jackson and Al Sharpton.
All you can do is speculate and bad mouth. You don't know of anyone in CEP that has ever lost a dime and I have been watching it for over a year. I draw 2% compounded per day every 30 days in interest. I invested $120.00 so figure it out. You know you could be sued for spreading rumors about a company. Unless you can prove your case I would keep my big mouth shut.

Are you saying I can be sued for not feeling that I LOST OUT? lol

2% compounded per day? Yeah, I remember People In Profit System; better known as PIPS. So... are you collecting 2% compounded per day from PIPS as well? lol Has Bryan Marsden gotten out of prison yet? lol

[Webwatch]

Just been round the CEP forum to check things out and wow Trevor does have some real fans over there.

I wonder if these followers have met Trevor in person or do they just go by how he presents himself on the admin page.

I must say he tells everybody he is a nice guy, if it wasn't for the lack of transparency on where everyones money was invested to acheive these financial returns and the fact that eventually it will all collapse leaving many out of pocket I would have to believe him.

Or is this the second coming and Trevor can really perform this miracle of 720% return over 360 days for everyone.

I feel like one of those Roman Soldiers now after daring to question Trevor's fallability.

Not one really for beginners though as the cep beginners guide page just says Coming Soon! not sure if that is the second coming or the guide though.

[Angery Dog]

you see Cisco your comments is exactly how you people get things backwards.
Read my post and then yours. Maybe you can see the difference if you pay attention. Yes I was in YMMSS and didn't make but $320.00 profit and lost a couple of thousand. After watching CEP for over a year (because I was like all of you hoping STA would start paying) I decided to see if I can recover my losses. I never joined any other programs because I only do investments. I considered ymmss a investment. NO body has lost any money in CEP and it didn't have to close down because of Storm Pay stealing everyones money. They have a hefty reserve and Yes I too am a Christian and proud to be part of CEP companies. So if you can prove your statements---SHOW ME or shut up about CEP. I just sent a check for another $500.00 for my wife's account and I have invested another $500.00 in mine. In a year from now I promise you I will post my earnings for you to see. As for transfer fees I would hope they continue to charge---That's why there is a reserve to operate with and help those in need. That's also why CEP will be around for years because we support our company. That's also why everyone gets paid. We make money not loose it. Have a nice day:applause: :applause:

[sisco50]

you see Cisco your comments is exactly how you people get things backwards.
Read my post and then yours. Maybe you can see the difference if you pay attention. Yes I was in YMMSS and didn't make but $320.00 profit and lost a couple of thousand. After watching CEP for over a year (because I was like all of you hoping STA would start paying) I decided to see if I can recover my losses. I never joined any other programs because I only do investments. I considered ymmss a investment. NO body has lost any money in CEP and it didn't have to close down because of Storm Pay stealing everyones money. They have a hefty reserve and Yes I too am a Christian and proud to be part of CEP companies. So if you can prove your statements---SHOW ME or shut up about CEP. I just sent a check for another $500.00 for my wife's account and I have invested another $500.00 in mine. In a year from now I promise you I will post my earnings for you to see. As for transfer fees I would hope they continue to charge---That's why there is a reserve to operate with and help those in need. That's also why CEP will be around for years because we support our company. That's also why everyone gets paid. We make money not loose it. Have a nice day:applause: :applause:

Angery Dog

Don't mind me too much as I was just having a bit of humor at your expense. :) Let me explain something to you.

I am not really getting anything backwards here. I already have my mind made up on what CEP is and isn't. NP There will be many losers there in the near future.

I have not spent a dime with STA and could care less if they actually ever paid anyone. NP There are many losers there and none will ever see their money again.

I did get involved with one online investment two years ago. NP I see that experience as an education and very well worth the money to me. BTW Lots of losers in that investment that will never see any of their money again.

I am one of the few people at this site that probably doesn't care if you continue to spend your hard earned money with CEP because of my general attitude that what you do with your money is your business. NP I do pay attention tho when someone pushes an internet program/investment on others and can not explain where the 2% compounded per day comes from. Aye, there's the rub! Can you help me out with that part? I promise to pay attention to every word you write. :)

[Webwatch]

Yes I was in YMMSS and didn't make but $320.00 profit and lost a couple of thousand.I know I'm stating the obvious but you made No profit then.

Anyway back to this crucial question: 'Where is all the money coming from to pay these returns in CEP'

Another obvious one this but could it be later investors paying off earlier ones. I think we all know what that leads to.
They have a hefty reserve and Yes I too am a Christian and proud to be part of CEP companies.ReallyUnless you can prove your case I would keep my big mouth shut.Perhaps not.

[Angery Dog]

OK Cisco we will take the gloves off:bow: Now in all honesty if you were running a business that was paying you what you wanted, to make a good profit and be able to stay in business, would you let the world who they were? No you wouldn't and it is only good management to keep it quite. Personally I don't care who they do business with as long as it it legal. If it wasn't legal they would have been shut down a long time ago. Cep is still young (1 1/2 Years old) but Trevor just took on 2 companies that were loosing money and couldn't pay their members. He took the companies under the CEP umbrella and payed the members. To bad someone didn't know Trevor and just Maybe he would have taken in STA. before these other guys came up. I talk to people every day in their conference room and no body is unhappy in CEP. NO complaining, bad mouthing anyone and the forum is open to for public to read. They don't hide anything except WHO they invest with. They do tell you the type of investments they make just not the names. I don't know of any investment that gives the public the names of the contacts they do business with. So yes it is my decision to invest where I chose and CEP is the best I have found so far. Remember Reality Millions? Well my money is still invested but not paying me a dime ----yet. But next year it will. That two was called a rip off and a scam but it isn't. I get a report every 90 days or so form the company it is invested in. So you see you can't believe everything you read on the internet. You have a nice evening:applause:

[Angery Dog]

WebWatch IF you want the answers to your questions READ THE CEP FORUM it's open to the public and ALL of your questions are answered. Yes I am a Christian and proud of it and I willingly associate with them. Maybe you could learn a thing or two if you did the same thing because God Loves you too.

[ycchen]

Angery Dog, Thanks for sharing information regarding CEP. According to your description, CEP is a 100% ponzi scam. Since you have already invested your money in it, so it is human nature to protect your "business" from any warning or negative accusation.

All I can say is "don't put any more money into this 'business'", and don't spend too much time participating in the forum because your disappointment will be much greater if stick too close to this 'scheme', which we called 'ponzi'. In any cases, good luck. :)

Yes, we respect what everyone do with their own money, and we only give our two cents based on our past experience dealing with internet ponzi scam.

For other readers, don't invest in CEP, it is a PIPS style ponzi scam (sisco50 is right) that never disclose any real information on the nature of their 'business'.

[Ferret]

Yes I am a Christian and proud of it and I willingly associate with them. Maybe you could learn a thing or two if you did the same thing because God Loves you too.
If Jesus ever makes the second coming the first order
of business will be to throw you CEP money changers, charlatans
and pharisees out of the temple
You should all be ashamed of yourselves
Scamming in the name of God.....you do realize that
dog is god backwards? And why are you so Angery?

PS: I think its time for Colon End Parenthesis : CultEnabledPonzi : to
get their very own special sub forum

[Angery Dog]

I'm angery because of Kim Inman. BTW I got a letter from the IRS today telling me the information I submitted with my 1040Ahad been put in my permanent record. So, there not going to do anything I don't guess.
Now back to the subject at hand I go into my account when it is time to upgrade 3 times a month. Thank you for understanding the situation but as in any investment no matter if it is stock market or what you never invest more than you can afford to loose. They are ALL gambles. SO, I still say until you have proof ----:nono:

[ycchen]

... SO, I still say until you have proof ----:nono:
2% daily interest = PIPS = Ponzi.

This high return is impossible in our current capitalist system. It only exist in ponzi world. That IS the proof. ;)

[Ferret]

http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=559&sid=cc61287e4d271b48235c048415dcb677

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 11:56 pm Post subject: Places to Promote CEP

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OK, here's a collection of links to the forums where you can discuss and promote CEP and other programs in the CEP family. These links have been posted earlier, but the info is scattered and this will keep them in one place as a sticky.

These are the ones that I'm aware of, and many have been started by me. On most other forums, I go by the nick of FunnyBone.

So - let me know if I have missed something. If/when someone adds a link in this thread, I will add it to the 'master list'.

Please do participate. These forums are the only places where CEP can have visibility. CEP is nothing but good news, so spread it around! It won't take much of your time, and it's the least we can do as Trevor & co. are already doing all the other work for us

-Arttu


http://www.moneymakergroup.com/index.php?showtopic=26321

http://talkgold.com/forum/r103441-.html

http://www.dreamteammoney.com/index.php?showtopic=5145

http://www.globalgoldtalk.com/high-yield-investment-program-hyip/7647-colon-end-parenthesis-colonendparenthesis-com.html

http://www.kingofdollars.com/showthread.php?t=628

http://www.oioforums.com/advertising-folder/colon-end-parenthesis-t1243.html#post3804

http://www.thehyipforum.com/showthread.php?t=14087

http://goldentalk.com/showthread.html?p=97800#post97800

http://www.hyipdiscussion.com/showthread.php?t=27239
Funny how CEP only promotes itself on PONZI, HYIP and SCAM sites

How come they don't promote on legitimate Business forums?

Birds of a feather flock together ;)

[Angery Dog]

OK Until you can produce one (1) person in the last year and a half that has lost money in CEP companies or it's affiliates you should refrain form saying something you can't prove and remove this statement about something you don't know anything about form the forum. Who of you has the right to judge???
As I said before I will come back in a year from now and show you my earnings and then we will see who laughs last. So Long Boy's see you in January of 2008.
and again in March 2008. Have a nice year!!!!!! I sure will.

[Angery Dog]

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[ycchen]

OK Until you can produce one (1) person in the last year and a half that has lost money in CEP companies or it's affiliates you should refrain form saying something you can't prove and remove this statement about something you don't know anything about form the forum. Who of you has the right to judge???
As I said before I will come back in a year from now and show you my earnings and then we will see who laughs last. So Long Boy's see you in January of 2008.
and again in March 2008. Have a nice year!!!!!! I sure will.Angery Dog, as we have said to many deceived ponzi supporters: "ponzi comes and go, but we will always be here."

The reason why ponzi is so attractive is because everyone thinks that s/he is in the front row seat, and will cycle soon and get their "seed money" back, and then sit back and see the ponzi machine printing money.

Unfortunately, no one (except the ponzi owner) knows for sure if s/he is already too late in the game, or whether the ponzi machine is strong enough to recruit donors at the bottom of the pyramid.

The uncertainty of your own position in the ponzi pyramid makes everyone anxiously promoting the ponzi to recruit more people! Because they know, no matter what position I am, as long as the machine continues to suck in newbies, I will eventually get paid, and I don't care if others will.

That's why all ponzi/pyramid/matrix run in black box, because transparency kills your illusion.

Black box operation creates insecurity/anxiety of its members to promote this ponzi machine irrationally until you (dont' care about others) get your seed money back. In some ways, ponzi is a cult and it needs a cult culture to get the ball rolling.

At the end of the day, you don't need to know what business are you in, you just need to get people to donate, donate and donate.

Angery Dog, see you next Feb 2008 if CEP is still alive. Dead or alive, we always welcome you to share your experience with this obvious ponzi scheme.

[mechanic]

Angery Dog, as we have said to many deceived ponzi supporters: "ponzi comes and go, but we will always be here."

The reason why ponzi is so attractive is because everyone thinks that s/he is in the front row seat, and will cycle soon and get their "seed money" back, and then sit back and see the ponzi machine printing money.

Unfortunately, no one (except the ponzi owner) knows for sure if s/he is already too late in the game, or whether the ponzi machine is strong enough to recruit donors at the bottom of the pyramid.

The uncertainty of your own position in the ponzi pyramid makes everyone anxiously promoting the ponzi to recruit more people! Because they know, no matter what position I am, as long as the machine continues to suck in newbies, I will eventually get paid, and I don't care if others will.

That's why all ponzi/pyramid/matrix run in black box, because transparency kills your illusion.

Black box operation creates insecurity/anxiety of its members to promote this ponzi machine irrationally until you (dont' care about others) get your seed money back. In some ways, ponzi is a cult and it needs a cult culture to get the ball rolling.

At the end of the day, you don't need to know what business are you in, you just need to get people to donate, donate and donate.

Angery Dog, see you next Feb 2008 if CEP is still alive. Dead or alive, we always welcome you to share your experience with this obvious ponzi scheme.

WOW, you do really do surprise me to see you come out and show such hostility to a program with no facts except generalizations of all past experiences.All of the older posters and the MODS and Admins are exibiting such hostility and as yet there are no facts posted as to why they are. I am not in Talk Glod Forum am I? This is not the type of rantings and ravings that I am used to seeing here. I have been a meber here for a while and I have never seen such unfounded rantings and ravings with n proof of them, if you have proof please post them so it will be out in the open for all to make their own judgement, if not please stick to the facts and lets see them please. All I know is that the CEP programs have performed and have never been late on any payments to date. Is that to say that they will be here tommorrow, no because none of us knows what tommorrow will bring.Can any one explain why all the unfounded hostility from the top on down?

Layton

[Webwatch]

WebWatch IF you want the answers to your questions READ THE CEP FORUM it's open to the public and ALL of your questions are answered. Yes I am a Christian and proud of it and I willingly associate with them. Maybe you could learn a thing or two if you did the same thing because God Loves you too.Hi Angery Dog, the only answers available via the CEP forum will be the ones CEP want you to hear.
I see from a lot of your posts you seem to be confusing what you know for what you have been told.
With a Ponzi scheme such as CEP deception is the main objective, its very survival depends on convincing members to spread the word and get others involved.

The similarities between CEP and YMMSS are strikingly apparent and as you must be fully aware that at some point this will fail and poor Trevor will get the blame although with his pockets full of everyones cash I doub't he will be that bothered.

I wonder if CEP would be as attractive if the religious angle was removed as a lot of your defence seems to be based on flawed Christian values and the misconception that anyone who says they are a Christian can't possibly be running a scam.

If it wasn't legal they would have been shut down a long time ago.This always comes up and the fact is that the authorities don't have the resources to shut down every dubious Pyramid/Ponzi scheme that is propogating the Internet. Its only when Trevor starts to issue 1099's or complaints start flooding in that the authorities may take more of an interest
Who of you has the right to judge???I have the right because I will be judged one day myself (I'm not looking forward to it though).
-------------------

Hi layton welcome back.
Not sure there is any real hostility just opinions as to why CEP will fail as all Ponzi Scams eventally do. So yes I know what Tomorrow will bring and I suspect with your experience in these programs so do you.

[mechanic]

Thanks for the response Webwatch, What I was in reference to was the way there was nothing that all of the name calling could be posted to this specific program, in the past there was specific items posted, not past performance of past programs to be applied to this program. And the comment about tommorrow, I was using a generalization that we really can never predict all that tommorrow will bring. Also, it just surprised me that this was out of the usual posting charater of the board. As for the religious portion, I have my own views, but I do not post about them and for sure the religion does nit decide whether or not a program is good or not. As for the CEP forum, the only thing I moderate is the use of inapproiate language, spam, and porn. if a couple of nembers have words, then they are advised to take it to PM.

Layton

[ycchen]

And the comment about tommorrow, I was using a generalization that we really can never predict all that tommorrow will bring. Wrong, we can easily predict the tomorrow of any programs that offer 2% daily interest.

Let me tell you this, so far we have not falsely accused any programs that is actually legit. Why? Not because we are smart, but because all ponzis have the same formula.

The funniest thing is that almost all the behavior of the supporters (and promoters) are identical! :eek:

CEP is a scam! Colon End Parenthesis is a ponzi scam! So, if our guests find your way here through search engine, you come to the right place. :) Our advice is: Don't throw your money to CEP / Colon End Parenthesis !

[Ferret]

Colon End Parenthesis | CEP | CultEnabledPonzi

http://www.cepgivesback.com
and
http://www.cepcoast.com
and
http://www.colonendparenthesis.com
and
http://www.colonendparenthesis.net are down right now

The page you are looking for is currently unavailable. The Web site might be experiencing technical difficulties, or you may need to adjust your browser settings.

What is the problem? Did the SEC shut you guys down? :D
Or is this just incompetence like YMMSS was famous for?

I like the slogan :D
CEP! Get Yours Today!

Quick Stats:

Members: 13936
Verified: 10959
Purchased: $12,606,298.81
Paid Out: $9,438,183.36
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About us:

We are here to provide you with a safer way to invest online by diversifying your investments in multiple venues for you. These include travel agencies, condominiums, real estate, the trading of goods and currencies, and health products. The more places we use, the safer your return. Suggestions for new sites or areas are always helpful. We consider CEP members and staff to be a family working together to build each others' financial futures

[Angery Dog]

Come on get a life---Don't you wish---the site is being updated

[mechanic]

Wrong, we can easily predict the tomorrow of any programs that offer 2% daily interest.

Let me tell you this, so far we have not falsely accused any programs that is actually legit. Why? Not because we are smart, but because all ponzis have the same formula.

The funniest thing is that almost all the behavior of the supporters (and promoters) are identical! :eek:

CEP is a scam! Colon End Parenthesis is a ponzi scam! So, if our guests find your way here through search engine, you come to the right place. :) Our advice is: Don't throw your money to CEP / Colon End Parenthesis !
You still are not getting what I said, I said I was talking generally about predicting tommorrow, but you insist on applying it to the programs. But I am glad that you do have a crystal ball and can predict tommorrow. You say you have not falsely acused any program, well you have as yet to put any facts down as to why it is except general perception, but since you already have your mind made up without any proof, there is nothing else left to say to feed the fire here, and you say the behavior of all the supporters ( and supporters ) are the same, so be it. You do remind me of PN and Talk Gold, which is really sickening in the fact that you are posting with out facts, post facts and that would be the foundation of a good discussion, but since you cannot put down any facts except general run of the mill sayings, there is no use saying any more. Your advice at the bottom of your post is useless unless you post facts and not what you think.

Layton

[Ferret]

Come on get a life---Don't you wish---the site is being updatedEvery professional website I am on posts a message
on the webpage saying that they are updating.
They also don't update at 7am PST / 10am EST

You don't get this:
The page you are looking for is currently unavailable. The Web site might be experiencing technical difficulties, or you may need to adjust your browser settings.

Take a look at the immoral, unstable and untrustworthy PayPal when they update at 1am

[Angery Dog]

I am a member and members ONLY need to be notified when the site will be down and for what reason-----I was notified !!!!!!

[surfer]

Why don't you help us with some facts that
I'm having difficulty digging up Layton?

CEP admits that they are accepting investments
from people.

Please let me know what name they are registered
under with the SEC so we can show that they
are operating legally.

I have also been unable to find legal registration
for CEPTrust to be a money transmitter. What
states are they legally registered to operate in?

Here are some basic facts for you from past and
present scams.

It was a mathematical and economic fact that
YMMSS could not maintain 60-90 day cycle times.
It took about 2 1/2 years for it to start crumbling.

It was a mathematical and economic fact that
PIPS could not maintain 2% per day interest in
payouts to investors. If I recall, they started
faltering after about 1 year.

It is also a mathematical and economic fact that
CEP will not be able to maintain 2%/day payouts
for any extended length of time. If they are a
well run scam like YMMSS, they might last for a
couple years and then they will falter taking a
ton of money from the late investors with them.

And unless you can provide us with the info I
asked for, it is also a fact that they are operating
illegally in the US and any other countries that
require legal registration of investments and securities.

I hope I have provided some food for thought so
you will deem our conversation here worthy of your
approval. ;)
You still are not getting what I said, I said I was talking generally about predicting tommorrow, but you insist on applying it to the programs. But I am glad that you do have a crystal ball and can predict tommorrow. You say you have not falsely acused any program, well you have as yet to put any facts down as to why it is except general perception, but since you already have your mind made up without any proof, there is nothing else left to say to feed the fire here, and you say the behavior of all the supporters ( and supporters ) are the same, so be it. You do remind me of PN and Talk Gold, which is really sickening in the fact that you are posting with out facts, post facts and that would be the foundation of a good discussion, but since you cannot put down any facts except general run of the mill sayings, there is no use saying any more. Your advice at the bottom of your post is useless unless you post facts and not what you think.

Layton

[Ferret]

. As for the CEP forum, the only thing I moderate is the use of inapproiate language, spam, and porn. if a couple of nembers have words, then they are advised to take it to PM.

Layton
I presume this is you Layton

http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/forum/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=2267&sid=7075ba09eca05a9ede703136dcf669f6

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http://www.gwbopc.com

I see you are promoting another very dubious "opportunity"
in your signature on Colon End Parenthesis | CEP

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Layton you are a scamaholic

[sisco50]

Angery Dog

I really would like to hear how your investment is able to not only earn you 2% per day but also earn that 2% compounded daily. This is the wall that I just can't seem to climb. :( I have been looking all my life for such a return but have never found it. Is it possible that the reason I haven't found it is that it is impossible and therefore does not exist? I vote yes! :)

[sisco50]

Mechanic

Is gwbopc the old Global Mutual Corporation?

I see you are a fellow Texan. Nothing wrong with that. I am in the Spring area. :)

[Mukti]

What internet opprtunities do you like? Seriously.

thanks

[mechanic]

Ok, thank you, you are finally posting what I requested, so without shouting and name calling, I will try to answer the asked questions that were posted.


Layton

[mechanic]

Every professional website I am on posts a message
on the webpage saying that they are updating.
They also don't update at 7am PST / 10am EST

You don't get this:


Take a look at the immoral, unstable and untrustworthy PayPal when they update at 1am

The website went down at about 3:30 this morning and the support phone was called and a message was left. The site just came up a little while ago, as yet there is no reason given as to what was wrong, as soon as I find out, I will let you know what the reason was.


Layton

[mechanic]

Why don't you help us with some facts that
I'm having difficulty digging up Layton?

CEP admits that they are accepting investments
from people.

Please let me know what name they are registered
under with the SEC so we can show that they
are operating legally.

I have also been unable to find legal registration
for CEPTrust to be a money transmitter. What
states are they legally registered to operate in?

Here are some basic facts for you from past and
present scams.

It was a mathematical and economic fact that
YMMSS could not maintain 60-90 day cycle times.
It took about 2 1/2 years for it to start crumbling.

It was a mathematical and economic fact that
PIPS could not maintain 2% per day interest in
payouts to investors. If I recall, they started
faltering after about 1 year.

It is also a mathematical and economic fact that
CEP will not be able to maintain 2%/day payouts
for any extended length of time. If they are a
well run scam like YMMSS, they might last for a
couple years and then they will falter taking a
ton of money from the late investors with them.

And unless you can provide us with the info I
asked for, it is also a fact that they are operating
illegally in the US and any other countries that
require legal registration of investments and securities.

I hope I have provided some food for thought so
you will deem our conversation here worthy of your
approval. ;)

Surfer, I will find what answers to your requests that I can find and will post her back to you. thank you for being civil and I will try to answer line by line to what you have requested, if I cant find the answer, I will so tell you.

Layton

[Webwatch]

What internet opprtunities do you like? Seriously.

thanks
Hi Mukti and welcome to Matrixwatch.
Not sure if your question was directed at anyone specific but to answer it.
Those that aren't Ponzi/Pyramid Schemes.
Any MLM's with a genuine opportunity to sell a product (that has marketable value) rather than the emphasis being on building a downline.

In my opinion CEP is just a run of the mill Ponzi nothing more.

[mechanic]

I presume this is you Layton

http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/forum/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=2267&sid=7075ba09eca05a9ede703136dcf669f6



I see you are promoting another very dubious "opportunity"
in your signature on Colon End Parenthesis | CEP


Layton you are a scamaholic

Ferret, you do not have to presume any longer, that is me, and yes, that is in my sig and that is the only place that it is, to do not have any thing in your sig at any of the other places that you frequent? As for it being a scam, I do not know at this time, true there are red flags, but at this time it is not a scam because no money has changed hands, it is in prelaunch. Some of the things that they say they are going to do I am interested, but it remains to be seen if they do, so until they launch it is still up in the air. If the things do not develope, then I will not join,it is as simple as that.
You do not know me and I do not know you, so why are you calling me names? Have I ever scammed you? Have I ever taken money from you and did not do what you oaid me for? No I do not think I ever did, so why are you calling me a scamaholic?I will not even bother to respond to you in the future if you cannot at least respond without the name calleng which is un warrented attack on me when I have given you no reason to do so other than to request facts about the progam in question here. I really do not think anything I have posted here is reason the make a post like that to me.


Layton

[mechanic]

Mechanic

Is gwbopc the old Global Mutual Corporation?

I see you are a fellow Texan. Nothing wrong with that. I am in the Spring area. :)

I do not really know, all I know is what they have released, they said once they launch, they will release more info about the principals involved,but at present, I know no more that you do, and yes it does have a lot of red flags, but as long as it dont cost,to look and then decide, that is the route I am taking at present.So with that answered lets get back on topic, and I am over off of I-10 East.

Layton

[mechanic]

Why don't you help us with some facts that
I'm having difficulty digging up Layton?

CEP admits that they are accepting investments
from people.

Please let me know what name they are registered
under with the SEC so we can show that they
are operating legally.

I have also been unable to find legal registration
for CEPTrust to be a money transmitter. What
states are they legally registered to operate in?

Here are some basic facts for you from past and
present scams.

It was a mathematical and economic fact that
YMMSS could not maintain 60-90 day cycle times.
It took about 2 1/2 years for it to start crumbling.

It was a mathematical and economic fact that
PIPS could not maintain 2% per day interest in
payouts to investors. If I recall, they started
faltering after about 1 year.

It is also a mathematical and economic fact that
CEP will not be able to maintain 2%/day payouts
for any extended length of time. If they are a
well run scam like YMMSS, they might last for a
couple years and then they will falter taking a
ton of money from the late investors with them.

And unless you can provide us with the info I
asked for, it is also a fact that they are operating
illegally in the US and any other countries that
require legal registration of investments and securities.

I hope I have provided some food for thought so
you will deem our conversation here worthy of your
approval. ;)

Surfer, CEP (colenendparenthisis ) was started in Nov 05 I believe and it was started as a HYIP, but recently made a post at MMG that they were not considered a HYIP any longer since they were involved in brick and mortor bizz and ofline investing and realestate, and as for the money transmitter license, he said that they were being applied for. The licebse is only required for Trust and they are registered to do bizz in their state, they do not have a transmitters kicense yet as they are still performing the prerequsites to get the license, you can look up the rules if you want too and you will see you cant just go get them and not all states require you to have them. CEP is registered in Belize, yea I know that does have a familiar ring to it. As far as being regestered with the SEC, no they arent, will they be, I dont know. Trevor has made numerious posts about the very things you have brought up on MMG if you would care to read it straight from the words of Trevor himself.
As far as tyhe 2% a day goes, they have paid on time for the last 15 months without fail, but as you said so did YM until what,September of 04, so we will just have to see on that one. All I can say is that so far Trevor has done what he has said he would do, Kim also did what he said he would do until it was no longer possable, will this be any different? who really knows, maybe Trevor really does have something here, only more time will tell. As you and I know most programs on the net do not perform, even the MLM, but we are always looking for the one that is a performer, that is just our nature,we are always looking for the one dream to come true, if we werent we would not be on the net looking.

Layton

[sisco50]

I do not really know, all I know is what they have released, they said once they launch, they will release more info about the principals involved,but at present, I know no more that you do, and yes it does have a lot of red flags, but as long as it dont cost,to look and then decide, that is the route I am taking at present.So with that answered lets get back on topic, and I am over off of I-10 East.

Layton

Thanks for the response. Wait and see is not a bad way to go. I do a lot of that myself. lol

[Webwatch]

The Legal Side.

Thought it might help the discussion to post an excerpt from a CEP thread:
I have skipped a lot of posts and just gone for most relevant:
https://www.ceptrust.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=672
Trevor, I was really looking at earning a nice income from cep, as I have not yet put any funds in to the investment. but I am very concerned. as other people are.

But you did promise to put up the legal paper work for cep trust at the beginning of March , which shows the license is being sort, as we all do not want to see cep being shut down like pips, and all the other processors have been before it, and after pips that was shut down.
You said you would do this within this forum, and other interviews that you have undertaken, where do we all go from here.

The law also states that no one can operate as a money processor until the license has been obtained.

Can you put us at our ease by showing the paper work. as you are aware that the investors lose out if the programe is closed down, as they hardly ever get their money back, ( so who does get the money ? ) the feds? please show us proof that you have applied for these important licences, as each state requires one.

Response from Support Admin:HI Anglo,

I did get to speak with Trevor regarding this suggestion. It is simply not possible to provide proof that he is indeed doing as he says he is doing.

In very much the same way that CEP Trust extends trust to you (and every member) you will simply need to trust Trevor. I know that in this arena, trust is not an easy thing to give. We completely understand this, and encourage everyone to wait until they feel comfortable with the sites before they become active in them. And this is where we are now. You can either trust that Trevor is doing as he says, or you can wait and see. Either way, we are here for you.
Pamela

I did find a quote supposedly by Trevor regarding this licensing at https://www.ceptrust.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=676
Hi, Everyone!
Pamela asked me to get on the forum and give you an update on a few things. First, many have been asking about the money transmitter license. We are in the process of obtaining one in NY. Please recognize that this process can take 3-4 months at least. It is not an overnight process. We do have an attorney on retainer in NY that has been working with credit unions and other banking institutions for many years, and she has helped several businesses obtain their money transmitter licenses. She is working on it for us, and I know that she will serve us to her full ability.
Some people have been concerned that we do not yet have a money transmitter license. This is simply because they have been mis-informed by others, usually bloggers, who think they know what they are talking about. Sadly, multiple bloggers have been quick to point out "the law", and they quote it or mis-use it. Everybody knows of Paypal and how stable they are. But did you know that even Paypal is not registered in KY, NY, NC, and other states that "require" the licensing to do big business in those states? Yet, Paypal is certainly not going anywhere, and they have nothing to worry about. Why is this? Because the money transmitter license works differently than what the bloggers would have people believe. I do not suggest that they are being dishonest. Only that they do not understand the legalese they read (or they simply read it and think they know what it means without speaking to a lawyer to confirm it). Did you know that Paypal, who has been doing business for 10 years plus, only began obtaining licenses within the last 3 years or so? Do you know what sparked it? The state came to them and said, "We would like you to get a license in our state to continue doing business here". So they did. That's why they're not registered in every state. Some states have simply not required them to do so, and they do not have time to waste with filling out needless paper work. When they are approached by a state, they apply for the license there. That is honestly just the way it works. Our attorney is not in any way concerned that we do not yet have a license. She said that we will be working on obtaining it so we have it. That's really it. She's far less concerned about it because internet payment processors barely even fit into the requirements of a money transmitter license. Eventually, one point gave the requirement. So she said, "Ok, so we'll work on it. Fill out the paperwork when you're able to, and we'll begin the process for you". Very nonchalant. Our attorney, Noelle, is the kind of person to tell you if something is wrong or if you need to fix something, and there were no issues regarding this whatsoever. There are a few things she told us we will need to implement eventually, but they are not very pressing and we'll work on those while we're waiting to hear back about the license. They're simply things pertaining to the Patriot Act and other similar acts to keep all security on the up-and-up as we grow larger. She is very much on top of everything we might need to keep us fully in compliance and safe with everything.
Also, some have been concerned that ACH fundings are taking longer than usual. We had our limit raised not too long ago with the bank and inquired to raise the limit again just a few weeks later. They said that one usually cannot apply for another raise in limits for a 90 day period, but they are looking into an alternative for us. We are doing our best to get bank wires into the member area so that this will be another option. Check fundings are still fee-free to help alleviate the ACH funding bottle-neck we currently have. All ACH withdrawals are being processed on time. ACH fundings are the only process that has been slowed. Thank you, again, for your patience as we continue to grow phenomenally moreso every day. Take care until next time! Thanks, as always, for using CEP Trust as your internet payment solution!
Trevor

Thought this might be relevant to the discussion.

[Arzel]

As far as tyhe 2% a day goes, they have paid on time for the last 15 months without fail, but as you said so did YM until what,September of 04, so we will just have to see on that one. All I can say is that so far Trevor has done what he has said he would do, Kim also did what he said he would do until it was no longer possable, will this be any different? who really knows, maybe Trevor really does have something here, only more time will tell. As you and I know most programs on the net do not perform, even the MLM, but we are always looking for the one that is a performer, that is just our nature,we are always looking for the one dream to come true, if we werent we would not be on the net looking.

Layton

The 2% a day is really all you need to know that this is a scam. 2% a day is equivalant to 1350% a year (if compounded) and a minimum of 730% There is simply no type of legal investment that can provide those types of returns.

[sisco50]

The 2% a day is really all you need to know that this is a scam. 2% a day is equivalant to 1350% a year (if compounded) and a minimum of 730% There is simply no type of legal investment that can provide those types of returns.

I certainly can't argue that point! It's an impossible scenario. :(

[ycchen]

Interestingly, CEP sounds pretty much like PIPS scam to me. I think it need to be stopped immediately before more deceived newbies got hurt by this dying ponzi scam.

No license = illegal = scam
2% daily compound interest = ponzi = scam

Colon End Parenthesis / CEP is a ponzi scam, stay away as far as possible. If you have just 'invest' (or donate) your money into this scam, ask for refund immediately because your chance of getting your seed money back is very slim at this stage.

[concerned]

Yes I was in YMMSS and didn't make but $320.00 profit and lost a couple of thousand.

Huh????

I am confused. If you made $320 profit, then how did you lose a couple of thousand? Is this scam math? Cause I don't get it.

[Ferret]

Surfer, CEP ( colon end parenthesis ) was started in Nov 05 I believe and it was started as a HYIP, but recently made a post at MMG that they were not considered a HYIP any longer since they were involved in brick and mortor bizz and ofline investing and realestate,

LaytonIf colon end parenthesis CEP started as a HYIP, colon end parenthesis CEP still is a HYIP
Just like YMMSS started as a doubler and changed to STA to
hide its ponzi beginnings
What brick and mortar biz and ofline investing and real estate is
colon end parenthesis CEP involved in?
Thats right, of course it is a big secret just like Kim Inmans
outside investments were never revealed....

And by the way ALL HYIPs are PONZI scams so that
makes CEP colon end parenthesis a PONZI Religious Scam


PS: This thread is #5 on Google for colon end parenthesis
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Colon+End+Parenthesis+&btnG=Google+Search

[Ferret]

Hey Bayoubet
You got ripped off by YMMSS but you still signed up at CEP colon end parenthesis

Have you invested any money at CEP colon end parenthesis
yet?

http://www.matrixwatch.org/forums/search.php?searchid=18865

http://www.matrixwatch.org/forums/showthread.php?t=4507

bayoubet
Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 8

That was a very good answer. Thank you. You've cleared things up in my mind unfortunately. I guess I've lead a sheltered life. I just can't understand why people would deliberately "scam" others out of their life savings. Some of these are very desperate people. I know, I've met them!!! Some of them have invested all that they have and piled up their credit cards with debt in order to be a part of this. There is one in particular that said that he/she was on the point of suicide until YM came into their lives. I'm thinking of them right now. Mercy!!! This needs to be exposed asap before others lose anymore! And once again, I hope I'm wrong about this whole situation!! However everyday that I read what's going on and how little people are being paid I am more certain that you are right.

http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/forum/search.php?search_author=bayoubet&sid=66b7c58ae9e32cd4043ff79dae5affdf

Some people just never learn......
bayoubet

Joined: 13 Apr 2007
Posts: 7
Location: Louisiana
Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 10:33 am Post subject: I'm a new member!

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Well, I'm a "Newbie" and am really hoping colon end parenthesis is an answer to a prayer. I won't say how I found this site but believe me that was a miracle in itself. I've been busy for the past two days, reading, signing up, PRAYING, and hoping that I'm in the right place. Please know that as long as what I see is moral, legal and ethical I'll be the biggest cheerleader on the team. I'm willing to do all I can to help and I'm looking forward to being on board. Have a great day and I'm looking forward to this new adventure.

bayoubet

Joined: 13 Apr 2007
Posts: 7
Location: Louisiana
Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 3:25 pm Post subject: Hi from Arkansas and Louisiana

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Hello there....I'm a newbie.....so glad to be involved in something positive :rolleyes: ..looking forward to a new great adventure!!!!


bayoubet

Joined: 13 Apr 2007
Posts: 7
Location: Louisiana
Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 11:27 pm Post subject: I hope ya;ll are right!!!

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Well, folks all I can say is that my mind is completely blown!!!!! I hope ya'll know what you are talking about because those numbers are mighty big. I'm not telling my husband because I don't want to get his hopes up. I'd rather make the money and then tell him!!!! We've been disappointed before , I don't want it to happen again. I'm thinking about going ahead and putting 4 figures in this week but I'm going to have to think really hard about it. Just don't know if it's the thing to do.

http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=12011&highlight=&sid=66b7c58ae9e32cd4043ff79dae5affdf#12011

bayoubet

Joined: 13 Apr 2007
Posts: 7
Location: Louisiana
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 5:50 pm Post subject:

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I just joined colon end parenthesis this past week and put a small amount in. I'm still in the "testing" stage. However if everything goes well, I will probably put about 5k in this summer. With that amount of money however I will definitely "cash out" the first two months in order to receive my initial deposit back. I would love to have some bills paid off as a Christmas gift to my husband. My dream is to present the two titles to our cars and a "paid off" personal loan from the bank to him. I think that I can with that amount of money. He doesn't know anything about this......boy what a Christmas this will be!!!
Hey Bayoubet
What is your husband going to say and do when he finds out that you
lost more of his money in yet another religious based scam and
that you did it behind his back?

[Ferret]

Just in case there is still anyone out there that thinks that
not all HYIPs are Ponzi scams....
READ THIS:
http://davidscript.blogspot.com/2007/01/when-is-scam-really-scam-shout-out-to.html

colon end parenthesis CEP was and still is a HYIP Ponzi Scam

CultEnabledPonzi

[Ferret]

Hey mechanic AKA Layton AKA Scamaholic and scam promoter

How are you doing?
Have you come up with any new scams lately?
How do you like my CultEnabledPonzi slogan?

You are very welcome to borrow it.....lol lol :p

mechanic Viewing Thread Colon End Parenthesis : CEP : Religious based scam

Happy 599th post to me lol :D :p
I will have to make # 600 a real zinger! :p

[annwey]

Best program I've seen in quite some time! Good investment, good interest, pays well........ what more could you ask for. :yes:

[Webwatch]

An end to people leaving one scam to join another would be a good start, but guess thats wishfull thinking.
Glad your having some success though Annwey, do you mean you have actually received more money back than you have paid in.

[annwey]

Hi Webwatch - yes, I'm very pleased with CEP, have much more than the small amount I put in in January 2007 !! I didn't even look at the dates of these posts until I came back to the site - And here I see it's been around since 2005. Great news there as I didn't realize that. I started out with the minimum and compound to re-invest it. Just recently put in a bit more, can't afford much, but I am happy with CEP and CEP Trust. I bet if the people that complained had joined instead of complaining that they would be very happy today.

I don't usually brag about any internet programs because I've been around long enough to be in a bunch of them and a bunch of scams. And there's always the chance that tomorrow I might be disappointed again - but for the length of time I've been in CEP (over 4 months) I am pleased.

God Bless, Ann

[mechanic]

Hey mechanic AKA Layton AKA Scamaholic and scam promoter

How are you doing?
Have you come up with any new scams lately?
How do you like my CultEnabledPonzi slogan?

You are very welcome to borrow it.....lol lol :p



Happy 599th post to me lol :D :p
I will have to make # 600 a real zinger! :p
The continued name calling does show the mentality that you have, you Have finally reached the low pathetic level that you can only resort your baseless name calling? It really does not do any good to try to carryon an intellengent when apparently you cannot comprehend any of it in your apparent mental state. I can see it does any good to post any thing about CEP here any longer as it seems that no matter what is said, you already have your mind made up, no sweet, just eat your pathetic heart out and in the meantime I will continue to withdraw to my bank and enjoy myself while you continue to wade through the sick morass that you probably cant even name, and that is what is supposed to be your mind. This will be the last remark that I will be making in this regard.

Layton

[Ferret]

The continued name calling does show the mentality that you have, you Have finally reached the low pathetic level that you can only resort your baseless name calling? It really does not do any good to try to carryon an intellengent when apparently you cannot comprehend any of it in your apparent mental state. I can see it does any good to post any thing about CEP here any longer as it seems that no matter what is said, you already have your mind made up, no sweet, just eat your pathetic heart out and in the meantime I will continue to withdraw to my bank and enjoy myself while you continue to wade through the sick morass that you probably cant even name, and that is what is supposed to be your mind. This will be the last remark that I will be making in this regard.

LaytonI doubt it, you will be back to talk about Colon End Parenthesis .....lol
intellengent is spelled intelligent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_(trait)) by the way lol :p but as an habitual scamaholic how would I expect you to know that?

PS: This thread about Colon End Parenthesis (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Colon+End+Parenthesis&btnG=Google+Search) is now number two on Google BABY!!! :applause:

I am very unhappy that Colon End Parenthesis is only on
the 7th page of MSN ;) Gonna have to make lotsa more postas about
Colon End Parenthesis (http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/)

Don't worry Layton the next Colon End Parenthesis (https://www.ceptrust.com/) will be all about why you are a habitual scamaholic using only your own words ;)

[Ferret]

Just in case there is still anyone out there that thinks that
not all HYIPs are Ponzi scams....
READ THIS:
http://davidscript.blogspot.com/2007/01/when-is-scam-really-scam-shout-out-to.html

colon end parenthesis CEP was and still is a HYIP Ponzi Scam

CultEnabledPonzi

Here is the text from the link above which I hope you have the
intellectual honesty to read........besides the spiders need to be fed ;)

When Is a Scam Really a Scam? Shout out to all you blog detectives, scam busters, and guru hustlers and colon end parenthesis
pushers

As you've probably figured out, this isn't your basic milktoast autosurf/hyip blog filled with fluff... you know the popular ones with all the cute cartoon captions and pics, highlighting the doings of the investment gurus trying to enthrall you with daily logs about every move they make in each program and why.

I'm sure you really don't give a rat's *** what I do in which program and why, and you can always visit forums to get the latest news and updates about a program's current status.

It may also at times seem like I come across as being anti-ponzi, but I'm not... I play them too. And of course, no one is in this biz to turn away referrals, including myself, and I'll be the first to admit that, but I'm not here to charm my audience or gain false trust in order to build my downlines either.

I'm here to deliver the truth.... objectively, raw, and uncensored.

I tell you exactly what makes this industry tick. Oh yes, it can be blunt, unpopular, a bit lengthy to read, and at times downright discouraging, especially to people who thrive in finding some good in everything.

But it's only because we're dealing with an ugly and vicious arena, driven by sheer deception and greed, and I feel I would be doing a grave disservice to sugar coat it for people who can't handle the truth of what really goes on behind the scenes in this underworld of cyber hustlers and con artists.

I'll always be the voice of truth... and, well, we all know how receptive and popular truth can be.

This particular article is probably my longest, but might be the most important one a newb will ever read. So grab onto your seatbelt, take a few belts of that coffee, and lets plunge into some more blunt and unpopular truth.

See, it basically all started when I was a newb. I actually thought DD (due diligence) had some significance, and I was amazed by the ability of the gurus who were capable of finding hidden whois fallacies, subtle descrepencies and details, and other signs leading to a potential "scam."

But like alot of investors, I was erroneously interpreting this arena as being either black or white, good or bad, scam or non scam. But now, a year later, after I've seen and heard just about anything and everything, I'm here to tell you, it ain't always like that.

In most cases, there's a grey and murky area, and even though a few of these gurus may have convinced themselves and their deluded following that what they're doing actually has some moral relevance, some of them know full well that the guru persona in this industry is basically a sham, that DD is a sham, but want you to think differently because they use it to their advantage.

"Oh come on, aren't you being a little melodramatic and facetious?"

Stick around long enough and you'll come to realize how many phonies are really out there, how many people actually do have hidden agendas, how deceptive their games are, how most of them hide behind warm, friendly, and caring personas, and the most successful hustler who will mislead you, isn't always the scamming admin, but the one whom you think, or even they themselves think, is looking out for your best interest.

I often sit amused when I read some of the blogs by these DD gurus. You know, the ones who love to participate in ponzis themselves, promote a few select ones in their blog and signature links, and sling criticism around at the others, yet don't have the balls to run their own programs.

They'll single out a few "scamming" admins, make them public enemy number one, and tear them down by evaluating and scrutinzing their program performance and history, any unscrupulous actions or behavior they can find, uncovering all sorts of dirt or questionable whois info, or exposing previous programs they ran, and alot of times that so-called DD isn't even accurate anyway.

"See folks, look at all the stuff I uncovered, different programs with similar IP's, multiple aliases, previous failed programs where he tried all sorts of shananigans like changing the TOS, unfullfilled promised refunds, or held hundreds and thousands of dollars, maybe millions, hostage while he stalled just before he closed... this is why he's a scammer and why I must do my heroic and moral duty to deliver this info unto you."

Wanna know what most of them are really saying? Here's the real interpretation...

"See how smart I am, now sign up under my referral links, since I have these secret networks of inside info, I obviously know what I'm doing and have the knowledge to lead you to the right programs."

Think I'm being too harsh? Keep reading and you'll find out why.

Guess what, geniuses, alot of admins run multiple programs, or previously failed programs, or use multiple aliases, nothing new there, and chances are if you were to investigate MOST admins, you'd find some sort of dirt on each one, or something they don't want exposed.

Yes, even that admin you hold in high esteem because they've managed to successfully run their current program longer than most. Hey, people are getting paid like clockwork at the moment, that's all that matters, so there really is no need for them to be exposed, right? Once it stops paying for whatever reason... and it will... rest assured, the dirt's gonna start flying.

Okay, here's my point.

Technically they All run scams, because they're running illegal ponzis which are scams by nature, meaning they're All designed to fail... run out of money... at some unexpected point. There really is no debate about this... all one has to do is take a stroll through the graveyard filled with the thousands and thousands and thousands of dead ponzi schemes to know this to be an undisputed fact.

It's not even a question of legalities either, because we all know that the lottery (where even fewer people win), healthcare, and social security are structured legal ponzis, and guess what... I consider them money schemes as well, legal schemes, but schemes nonetheless. And in the case of ss, it's not because it's managed well... look who manages it... the government... it's because millions and millions of people are FORCED to be apart of that scam in order to keep it from collapsing.

"Well, I consider a dying ponzi a scam once it slows down or stops paying, or stalls for whatever reason."

This is simply imbecilic logic, because ponzis can't turn scam since it was already a designed scam from the very beginning?

You've heard the expression "a ponzi runs in the red the very day it opens?" "Dying ponzi" is used too loosely to describe a scam on its way out, or a "red flag" for members to bail out, or a signal to start the bashing party, and is really just speculative rhetoric until the end actually does come, because statistically they're ALL in the process of dying the VERY DAY they pay out the FIRST expiries since each payout is bigger than the initial deposit that came in.

So, with that in consideration, any program... ponzi... money scheme... that has no real chance but to do what it's designed to do... eventually fail... and where most people lose in the end, is a scam in my definition, period. This isn't a moral condemnation, it's just a simple indisputable fact.

See, here's the problem most people have... alot of them who love to play these money schemes probably have some sort of moral issue or conflict of conscience with this fact and can't come to terms with it, or how risky they actually are, so they need to believe that they can distinguish one from the other or rationalize them as something they're not. Sorry, they are what they are, my friend... ponzis... money schemes... scams... take it or leave it.

If you're still not convinced, just go into any forum and take that trip through the program graveyard thread like I said before.

Okay, so far I think we've established what constituites a scam, now hold on, I'm not finished.

I really don't even want to get into the issue of trading and forex at this point... maybe at another time and in a different article. Look, most of them don't trade, period. At least not enough to continue sustaining rediculous returns of 120%, 140%, 150%, 180%, 200% in 4 to 20 days, and if you think otherwise, read no further, because you already exist in a deluded and false mindset.

Furthermore, the admins who "invest" in other ponzis, piggyback, are even worse, since most admins are just as naive as some investors about these ponzis, and the fact that all they're doing is extending their own ponzi... scam... by relying on other ponzis... scams... makes their own ponzi even more at risk of sudden failure.

"Well, if they're all desgined scams by nature and definition, don't we have some sort of distinction in order to tell the good scams from the bad scams, some sort of guiding light.. that's the job of the gurus, isn't it?"

Well, true, there actually can be somewhat of a distinction... sometimes. See, there's always the admin. But that's where it gets foggy... the grey and murky area.

Some admins have good intentions, some have bad intentions, and some (probably the majority) can go either way given the circumstances, how they're treated, how much negativity spreads in times of trouble, how tempted they get, or what mood they're in at the time.

One thing they all have in common... ALL of them are running scams [ Including colon end parenthesis (as we've already established). ALL of them probably have something to hide. ALL of them are driven by some degree of greed... just like us investors. And not one of them do it for charity, not even the good intentioned ones.

The bad intentioned ones are the easiest to spot, because these are the ones who will most likey hit and run without even paying a single withdrawal, except maybe a few ref comissions here and there to sucker more people in, but if you happen to get caught by one, it's already too late to even raise a fuss. They never had any intention to pay, pretty much cut and dry at that point.

But here's where it gets tricky... they're still running ponzis, and if payouts actually do go out and continue, the area of good or bad starts to get greyer and greyer, and they can no longer be accurately or rationally put in the bad intention category anymore.

The good intentioned ones may not have the intent to commit blatant theft of the funds as a whole, and will most likely play it much more fair than most, at least as fair as they possibly can. But they're still human, they don't run charities, and will very very rarely ever put the members' gains ahead of their own best interests.

Why should they? Do you have any clue what it takes to run one of these failing schemes and the psychology that's involved? Oh yea, and guess how even their failing schemes will unexpectedly end at some point... you got it.

Having said all that... I'm sorry, but it doesn't take business management skills or a professional business degree to sustain a ponzi, which is why any backwood or third world yokel with an internet connection can run one, and most do. Nor do they have billions and billions of dollars being pumped into them by the government to keep them going, so guess what it does take?

It takes a scamming mentality... i.e. a shrewd mind.

That means it takes a little bit of manipulating, a little fudging of the truth, some hidden info they may not want exposed, behind the scenes tactical wheeling and dealing here and there, a little bit of underhanded strategy like strategic (selective) payouts at certain times, multiple program shuffling, proactively changing terms, creating unpopular methods midstream and stall tactics to sustain these dying operations, etc, etc, etc... and at least some of these factors must be done by All admins, good, bad, or somewhere in between.

One could argue that even a legit business person running a legal corporation is often driven to pull some hidden underhanded tactics and strategies here and there to keep that corporation running successfully... well, how much MORE do you think is required for an illegal ponzi scheme?

People hail the admins who are capable of running their programs longer than most as the "honest" or "trusted" admins, and of course tear them down when it finally does end... and it will.

But here's a little secret... the longer an admin's program lasts can be used as a barometer to determine just how greedy, sneaky, manipulative, clever, and shrewd they really are, NOT necessarily how honest they are.

We've all heard the gurus and their grandiose news alerts...

"This admin is really the admin who ran all those other previous scams under different names... alert, alert!"

"This admin is doing selective payouts, or the payouts are getting slower, or he changed the TOS... red flag, red flag!"

"This admin is stalling, lying, or making up excuses!"

And this is news to you? Again... welcome to the unscrupulous world of trying to manage an illegal dying ponzi in an environment full of cutthroat cyber criminals.

"They didn't pay everyone in their last program, including me, but they're running another program... alert, alert!"

Their previous program wasn't designed to pay everyone in the first place you twit.... remember... it's a P-O-N-Z-I... a scam... where MOST people LOSE in the end?

"Well, I saw the stats, and they ran way before the withdrawals caught up to the deposits."

Stats are way too overated. Yes, admins either fake the stats... most of the time it's obvious... or allow compounding which can muddle the numbers and make it difficult to get a true interpretation of how healthy the ponzi is fund-wise. Then you have script errors, or errors made by the admin to consider.

People always assume that "scamming admins" end it prematurely or that they ran away with hundreds and thousands of the members' funds.

Most admins who run it legitmately at least for awhile don't pocket as much as people think, if anything actually. All it takes is a little common sense to deduce that, since these are ponzis where the withdrawals eventually catch up to the deposits, the longer a ponzi lasts obviously means that there isn't that much in the pot for them to steal in the first place.

"Well, they promised refunds, but never delivered."

Most likely to get you and the rest of the lynch mob off their back in time for them to think of a way to recoup their villified character, or get the hell out of dodge before their fans who lost out in the end begin screaming for their blood.

"Well, why don't they just run it honestly to the end, take their fair cut, and announce when the money's gone once it's over, instead of the excuses?"

First of all, what is the definition of a "fair" cut? 2%, 5%, 10%? How could we ever possibly monitor that even if there was a way to objectively figure out a fair amount?

Futhermore, how do you decide exactly when a ponzi is over... we've already established that it's in the process of dying the day it begins... and there really is no systematic order or predictable pattern a ponzi follows, since funds come in sporadically and random?

Since investors are fickle and extremely paranoid, admins usually lie and hardly ever reveal the true status of a ponzi's current state, especially if they want to stretch it out and make it last as long as possible, because even the slightest hint of trouble can be a major factor in its demise... which is why the end is usually unexpected. Since it's always running in the red, even admins at times might have a hard time predicting when it's time to call it quits.

Secondly, do you really think they'd be treated any differently? Face it, they'd still be villified by the masses who were unsatisfied with the outcome no matter how it ended.

Thirdly, look at the support some of the truely honest admins like Fame, Silverqueen, Wolfunds got... the admins who were up front about almost everything... or should we say lack of support. Do investors really want honest admins? Doesn't appear to be that way.

"Okay fine, I admit it's an illegal dying ponzi, a 'game,' a money scheme, a scam, but how do we know they paid out as many people as they should've towards the end?"

"How do we know the changes they made midstream weren't just tactics to rake in more money for themselves?"

"How do we determine just how much of that money they actually pocketed themselves?"

"How do we know if they played it as fair as possible or whether they're lying or not?"

"We need some sort of moral gauge, some scamometer to make informative decisions... how do we do that?!"

Simple... you can't.

As you've probably figured out by now, you're basically taking a gamble because the area is just too grey and murky for us to ever make any sort of accurate estimation, or to even know what goes on behind the scenes from that particular admin's point of view. We can guess, speculate, blindly accuse until we're blue in the face, but the reality is, we'll never ever really know.

The gurus don't want you to know that.

Most people who cry, scream, wail, curse, and bash at the end are either newbs who don't know any better, the losers who invested more than they could afford and just frustrated or blowing off emotional steam, people bashing for the sheer sport or amusement of it, opportunist vultures spamming their ref links, or cheerleaders, promoters, and gurus trying to save face or gain guru-manship foresight credibility (read The Deceptive Industry Wolves or Are Referral Comissions Really Necessary).

See, the gurus always have a clear agenda. They want you to think, or even want themselves to think that they have at least some semblance of control and power of distinction in this shady arena. Investors easily fall for that because they essentially want the same thing, want to believe it exists, and think the gurus can actually provide that for them.

There just HAS to be a way to distinguish the good from the bad. There HAS to be a way to have some sense of order or to know whether an admin unfairly scammed or not, or if they possibly will scam. This is why most people have that uncontrollable urge to speculate... but that's all it ever will be... blind speculation.

The gurus feed off that, because they want you to think that there actually are ponzis run by admins who do it just because they get the satisfaction of making us rich, and don't have anything to hide... or would never even try to hide it if they did... admins who are honest business and investment geniuses who can miraculously multiply our money within days or pull it out of the sky in order to keep their ponzis running indefinitely, will take a very small cut for there services and aggravations, will always announce when the end is near, and will have enough money to pay out everyone in full, or at least reasonably fair and equal before they even think of starting up their next program.

Right. The day pigs fly. Starting to get the point?

Okay, lets sum up this long *** article, lol.

It has nothing to do with honesty or integrity.

An admin simply can't run an illegal ponzi successfully, an operation which is designed to eventually fail... a money scheme... a scam... in a shady, corrupt, and cutthroat arena such as this, teaming with greedy cyber criminals and scam artists left and right, in a completely fair and honest manner or without pulling some pretty shady and unfavorable tricks to keep it going as long as possible in the process... it's an oxymoron.

It would be like mother Teresa trying to run a drug operation. She ain't gonna be the humble, honest, sweet, and moral nun if she wants to survive and wants that thing to be successful and last long.

And when all is said and done in the end, once the DD gurus start poking around, no doubt they'd uncover all sorts of dirty deeds mother Teresa did, had to do, in order to survive in that ruthless and shady underworld.

Hmm, well, now that we see how grey the area is, doesn't that just seem to make those DD guru bloggers and their self-righteous analytical commentaries, scam busting inquiries, and detective logs that much more pointless and laughable?

There was one DD guru who dedicated her whole blog to Europe Trade ltd, how she exposed the fact that they were a scam because of some faulty whois... big deal. Guess what? That scam has lasted 6 months, and is still going from what I understand... not bad for an hyip considering that most last anywhere between 1 to 3 months at best.

Oh yea, she also touts a newsletter (justified spam)... gee, what a shock.

If you want to go around playing detective, stop being selective and expose ALL the admins, including the programs you're promoting in your referral blog and signature links.

If they dug deep enough, they'd uncover some sort of dirt on each one whether it be a false alias, a previous scam, faulty whois, matching IP's, an unfavorable program performance or decision... something would turn up... but then they'd damage the downlines they worked so hard to build in those other programs they selectively promote themselves. Ahhhhhh...

Starting to get the picture?

Guru-manship is a clever and effective referral tactic, because you feed into the pscychology of the typical investor, especially the newb, who is overwhelmed by an arena formulated with failing money schemes and scam operations on all sides, with positive input... "yes, the industry is filled with scammers, but look to me as your guide who can bring you hope... see how clever I was exposing that one particular scam... follow me, and I'll lead you to a way that is objective, cautious, and safe."

Bottom line...

If their intentions are bad, you're screwed... cry, scream, wail, curse all you want, there's nothing you can do about it, and it's always way before any DD guru has a chance to save you or put up any sort of "warning flag" anyway. And chances are very high that those same bad intentioned admins will do it with different proxy aliases and remain undetected by the DD experts until it's too late, over and over again.

If they're intentions are good or somewhere in between.... they're running ponzis... dying money schemes... scams... yes, most of them hide their identities, including other things they may not want exposed, they'll probably make unfavorable decisions to survive and keep it going or stall it as long as possible, and not only are the chances very good that the end will be unexpected, but that you'll be one of the many others who LOSE when the end does come, which is the very thing a ponzi... scam... is designed to do.

Oh yea, and why do most of them disappear when it's over you ask? Well, wouldn't you, seeing the kind of rabid firing squad you'll have to face at the end?

Conclusion.

If you're gonna play these risky and illegal money schemes in this shady arena, learn how to spend wisely and take losses with dignity, maturity, and most of all, learn how to use your own experience and intuition... stop fooling yourself, or trying to fool others, and accept all of them for what they really are from the very beginning... because, rest assured, losses come with the territory, and no amount of phony or self-deluded gurus will ever change that, but in most cases, will probably make your decisions even worse, all for their own egotistical gain.

[Ferret]

http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2470&sid=39186008a022512e2504f12ef50c9850

This is an interesting thread over at colon end parenthesis CEP
Looks like everyone had way too much koolaid at colon end parenthesis
I think attach is supposed to be attack
Sounds like the Ponzi cult is circling the wagons

PS: I will be calling my buddy at the SEC, he dropped the ball on YMMSS
but just maybe The SEC will act on colon end parenthesis religious PONZI
scam before too many get scammed
colon end parenthesis is certainly in violation of every SEC regulation and
openly admit being an investment unlike YMMSS which banned the word

Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 4:23 pm Post subject: WATCH WHAT YOU SAY AND DO


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Greetings all,

To the point-we have read how some people choose to attach[SIC] CEP and try to do harm, when in spite of thier actions, what has been the outcome-NOTHING.

When GOD is involved in any plan and we let him have his way, guess what, NOT MATTER WHAT IS IN THE WAY-WHOEVER OR WHATEVER TRIES TO DETER THE PROGRESS, NOTHING WILL HAPPEN. This is the way i feel about CEP. GOD is in control and if we let him do his work everything will come out according TO HIS WILL. The important thing to remember is to use the FINANCES-TALENTS-SKILLS, he gives you to advance his KINGDOM.

The ones doing this to will have to answer for it, no, not to me, you, or anythone or anything of this world, but to the CREATOR, and i would not like to be in that individuals shoes when judgement is passed down. NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT-THE JUDGMENT THAT IS, unless that individual repents. That will be the only way out and really believes in GOD .

Just my thoughts-hope this is in the right place, and if not i will understand if it gets moved.

Have a great week and may GOD bless and protect you.
Gary

[Ferret]

http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2529&sid=39186008a022512e2504f12ef50c9850

Oh, man this is too good.....lol lol lol lol lol lol :D :p
Man oh man, this one is going to end in another Jonestown

Hey, I just talked to God this morning and she said that
colon end parenthesis was definitely a ponzi scam and that
Trevor was going to hell along with quite a few of the main
promoters of this scam

colon end parenthesis Company Prayer

Hi Debbiem,

I totally agree with you.

Here is the Prayer again:

PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 5:06 pm Post subject: Our Company Prayer.....

"To God Be the Glory

Dear kind and gracious Heavenly Father, We who have been blessed by you to have found this most wonderful opportunity, humbly ask your continuing blessings on those who have sought your guidence in starting and maintaining this program. May your LOVING HEART protect and lead their intuitions in any and all directions that you choose to lead them. May each one seek you in all decisions. And Father may your Stern and Chastising Hand ward off all evil attempts to disrupt the work that you have ordained Brother Trevor to accomplish. Lord we believe that you have placed your will in this program and we humbly praise and thank you for the wonderful future that we have awaiting us. Father....in Jesus Holy name we ask for your marvelous grace to appear to anyone who may not know the Lord Jesus as personal Saviour. Reveal to them through the Holy Spirit that only Jesus Christ can save them from an eternity in Hell. Father we know that ALL good things come from Heaven above and we recognize you as our provider. Thank you for loving us. We offer up this pertition in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.........AMEN"
_________________
Roland

[Ferret]

Another interesting thread that shows a lot of conciousness of
wrong doing by Colon End Parenthesis cult members

http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2458&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=c97b6519db352242fa3bdf6d7abd149a

Too much negativity and complaining here( Colon End Parenthesis) lately

GoldKitty
Joined: 03 Apr 2007
Posts: 8

Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 5:53 pm Post subject: Too much negativity and complaining here lately

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This is my first post. I have been reading this forum for months, but have elected not to post until I felt I had something significant to say. I am a member with money invested (a lot of money).

This is my opinion only: This forum seems to be attracting a heck of a lot of negativity lately so much that it is getting depressing to read.

The following are examples of some of the posts lately:

My account was not compounded at the exact second it should have been;

My account shows more upgrades than I have;

My account was not immediately credited for the money I sent;

I was supposed to be paid at this exact time today and was not;

What if the SEC shuts us down and freezes all of our money;

What if my bank gets suspicious of the money that is being deposited into it? Oh, the red flags that will show up when money is deposited into my account;

What are you going to do about all those script glitches; although I will admit they do get fixed and no one has ever lost any money;

What if you payout money to someone accidentally because of the compounds that are showing in their account that should not be. We are going to lose money so what are you going to do about it? I think you should audit everyone's account;

I have dozens of compounds that I can't keep track of so what are you going to do about it;

I don't know if I should deposit money TODAY because I don't know if you will be here three or four years from now;

I counted XXX number of days and by my account, the money should have been in my bank account by XXX am/pm today but was not so where is my money;

Even though I am making darn good money from this investment, why do I have to wait 10/14 days for it to appear in my trust account; AND

Whatever else there was.

Many times in life I have found that worrying about things that might NEVER happen, increases their chances of happening because a person gives their attention to it. I think we should all start practicing the concept of having and expressing gratitude and focusing on the things we do have now to be grateful for instead of focusing on negative things or situations we do not want to happen.

I am all for free speech, but lately the negativity and complaining here is getting stifling. If you have a problem, please send in a ticket instead of posting and creating negative energy for all. You are earning money legally (and a handsome sum) so unless you do something that is not above board after you receive the money in your bank account, worrying about what the bank will think about you receiving money should not even cross your mind.

The SEC is a government entity, but unless some illegal conduct is being displayed, (and I have not seen any evidence of that) they cannot just show up, shut a company down and take everyone's money. 12 Daily Pro was a complete and utter PONZI, but CEP is not.

Start expecting the best and watch what happens.
Hey GoldKitty
Do you know how and where your saviour Trevor Reed is earning 2% per
day with your money?
How can you say with any certainty that CEP Colon End Parenthesis is
not a ponzi scheme?
I have read the Colon End Parenthesis website and I can't find where
these fantastic returns are being generated. It seems to be a big secret.

Layton do you know the answer to this question?

nitestalker
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
Posts: 107
Location: Leipers Fork TN.
Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 5:57 pm Post subject:

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Amen !!!
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http://www.gwbopc.com/nitestalker
A great response by a typical Colon End Parenthesis cult member
Kind of ironic that his name is nitestalker who was a infamous
serial murderer and he is promoting a blatant scam in his signature the same as Layton

duke1935
Joined: 05 Mar 2007
Posts: 44
Location: Oklahoma
Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 10:36 pm Post subject:

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Great post Gold Kitty This should have been said Loooonnnnggg ago. I do believe on the front page it sates " If you don't have patients then investing is not for you" or something to that effect. Our admin, monitors,programer and owners are human and are busting their hump to try to please everyone (that will never happen) to keep things running as smooth as possible. The forum should be used to help people understand the system, answer questions that arise about the system, post information for all to read and express gratitude for what you have here. (Like "I've been paid" etc.)
If you have a compliant about your account (as stated before) submit a ticket and wait for a answer. The forum should not be a place to hang your dirty laundry for all to see. Thank you again Gold Kitty for posting.
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financial blessings that God allows me to have"
Actually what Trevor 666 Reed said was
A word of warning: If you do not have patience, you are not meant to risk any monies in high yield investment programs. So, please be sure you are qualified before signing upThats funny because i am reading on the
Colon End Parenthesis forum is that there isn't any risk anymore :rolleyes:

http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2526&sid=27211df5e31ba0b3df1da04d2c159a96

Delaine
Joined: 19 Apr 2007
Posts: 2

Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 4:51 am Post subject: Trevor posted...

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Trevor Reed posted...that he has plans for a program which would provide "0" risk.

any details on this program ?

Thanks !

Delaine

hktrader
Joined: 13 Jan 2007
Posts: 20

Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 7:25 am Post subject:

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madpoet wrote:
Actually Layton at the time it was that CEPC and CEP/ colon end parenthesis had reached 0 risk, and
C88 was close to it.


This is also what I understood.

hk

So this cult addicted ponzi participant says this which they are
basing upon the preceding unsubstanciated statement.
Where is the evidence that there is NO risk?????
Thats right, I forgot that Trevor "Jesus Christ" Reed said so
RicDavis
Joined: 06 Apr 2007
Posts: 42

Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 9:45 am Post subject:

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HEY, FANTASTIC NEWS. My 95% faith in CEP just went to 100%. Now maybe I will retire a little earlier. I wanted to wait until I got a little money in my account, but with a "no risk" situation why wait.
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AussieBob
Joined: 01 Oct 2006
Posts: 3

Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 2:06 am Post subject:

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How can anyone in their right mind complain and make negative posts about a program that is giving them %60 a month interest on their money ?
must be something wrong with them.. 620% Return on investment try getting that from a Bank ....

If you want to complain and whinge go join a HYIP game and lose your money , then you will have something to complain about...
lol lol lol AussieBob lol you are in a HYIP game that has been disguised
as a Christian "business" :rolleyes:
And you will lose your money if you leave it in too long :p
Are you in your right mind AussieBob???
Or are you in a Cult Enabled Ponzi?
This post is too funny :D

[concerned]

http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2529&sid=39186008a022512e2504f12ef50c9850

Oh, man this is too good.....lol lol lol lol lol lol :D :p
Man oh man, this one is going to end in another Jonestown

Hey, I just talked to God this morning and she said that
colon end parenthesis was definitely a ponzi scam and that
Trevor was going to hell along with quite a few of the main
promoters of this scam

colon end parenthesis Company Prayer

Hi Debbiem,

I totally agree with you.

Here is the Prayer again:

PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 5:06 pm Post subject: Our Company Prayer.....

"To God Be the Glory

Dear kind and gracious Heavenly Father, We who have been blessed by you to have found this most wonderful opportunity, humbly ask your continuing blessings on those who have sought your guidence in starting and maintaining this program. May your LOVING HEART protect and lead their intuitions in any and all directions that you choose to lead them. May each one seek you in all decisions. And Father may your Stern and Chastising Hand ward off all evil attempts to disrupt the work that you have ordained Brother Trevor to accomplish. Lord we believe that you have placed your will in this program and we humbly praise and thank you for the wonderful future that we have awaiting us. Father....in Jesus Holy name we ask for your marvelous grace to appear to anyone who may not know the Lord Jesus as personal Saviour. Reveal to them through the Holy Spirit that only Jesus Christ can save them from an eternity in Hell. Father we know that ALL good things come from Heaven above and we recognize you as our provider. Thank you for loving us. We offer up this pertition in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.........AMEN"
_________________
Roland




With all this religeous scam crap, it seems to me that maybe there is something to this business. Maybe God really wanted us to make millions of dollars. Maybe that is what his message was. Do you think he wanted everyone to have greedy wealth instead of to be christian like? Hmmmm. If that's what he wanted, then why doesn't it just say in the bible that people need to make a huge profit? I can't find it anywhere in the bible..... Oh, wait a minute, they keep talking about this thing called a Prophet in the bible. Do you think maybe it is mispelled? Maybe they mispelled the word profit? Can anyone check the Bible translations? I think we found a typo!!!!

[Angel]

I have been in CEP since Oct 2006 and I have been paid on time, every time.
I am involved in 2 other businesses and again, payment on time, every time.

If they have a website issue or script errors they notify members by email.

Their behavior is respectful. This is my personal experience with them.

You are all entitled to your opinions, as I am.

Also, what big successful company disacloses where they invest your money?
Prudential does not give me names of the specific funds my money goes into, but only investment categories.

Do what ever suits your comfort level, but don't confuse fact with fiction.
They have not hurt anyone.

On the other hand, YMMSS and all the people who were in paid positions there, should be behind bars.

Angel

[concerned]

I have been in CEP since Oct 2006 and I have been paid on time, every time.
I am involved in 2 other businesses and again, payment on time, every time.


May I ask what the payment method is? Check, Paypal, or credit to your account with them?

Also, what big successful company disacloses where they invest your money?
Prudential does not give me names of the specific funds my money goes into, but only investment categories.


What the heck are you talking about. First of all, the SEC REQUIRES them to have full disclosure. Secondly, a company like Prudential does not just invest your money for you. They invest it in whatever you TELL THEM to invest it in. Don't you remember picking a fund? If not, then they cannot invest your money, that's the law. Finally, it is also up to you to ask for information if you want it. If you call them and ask for an ANNUAL REPORT on the fund you are invested in, they will send you so much information, you won't even know how to read it. But please don't try to say that investment companies don't disclose anything. That is simply false.


Do what ever suits your comfort level, but don't confuse fact with fiction.
They have not hurt anyone.

Apparently, you are confusing fact with fiction with your story about Prudential.

[Ferret]

http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2368&sid=071192b31d0b39f282ad164c0bdbc4c5

PK
Forum Admin
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
Posts: 140
Location: Beautiful Western WA
Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:20 pm Post subject: Recently Moved Threads

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Hello

I just want to let everyone who is interested know that I moved the two (similar) threads that were within this section. It was brought to my attention by several members that this, while healthy for discussion among members, is not something (they) want within the forums. These threads have not been deleted, just moved into an area that the general public cannot access. While we promote free speech in here, we also have to weigh what will serve as an asset to the site as a whole and what will become a detriment.

Also, as members, this is OUR (yours and mine) company. As I read those posts, I saw members saying discussions referring to the SEC and such should not be in a public forum, and yet, there they were, posting in the public forum. Things that make you go hmmmmm......

In the meantime, I will continue to approach Trevor as more members are requesting that since the program is now private once again, it seems appropriate the forum should be also.
Pamela

railpilot
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Posts: 7

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:41 pm Post subject:

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Thanks Pamela. I was just about to PM you with regard to these two posts. I was hoping to get your response to them as well as seek input from Trevor about these issues.

I sincerely believe that, in the best interest of the program, its administrators, and the members, CEP should be kept very low profile. From what I have read, it seems that there are no plans in the near future to reopen for new members considering the very large recent expansion of membership within the past couple of months. With that in mind, why not close off the forum to the public and put a halt to public promotion on all monitoring sites and other forums? Please speak with Trevor about this. I know I am not the only one that feels these would be vitally important steps to take. Thank you.

railpilot

HalfHitch
Forum Admin
Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 119
Location: Chicago, IL USA
Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:54 pm Post subject:

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Hello railpilot, thanks for taking the time to post.

In regards to your post, the privatizing on the forum is something we can entertain. Please keep in mind, it does in fact need Trevor's approval and along with that, it will mean more work for Clayton to set up the logistics. As we all know, Clayton has other pressing matters that are a priority right now.

Hope this helps some.

HH

DanDaMan
Joined: 02 Mar 2007
Posts: 36
Location: Illinois
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 3:32 am Post subject: Re: Recently Moved Threads

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PK wrote:

These threads have not been deleted, just moved into an area that the general public cannot access.
Pamela


I'm interested in reading the material, can members access this hidden area?

It seems counterproductive to see the moderators erase threads when they see post with questions or comments that they deem as unsuitable. The recent talk of making this a private Forum and hiding CEP from the public makes me uncomfortable. Members suggesting that we keep a low profile to avoid suspicion from the authorities doesn't exactly make me feel confident either. A few have also advised limiting withdraws to a minimum in order not to raise any red flags with the banks? Why? We're not laundering money or anything. I assumed this was a safe and legitimate business, so why is there a discussion suggesting members keep a low profile? The tone of the conversation is making me feel like I just joined the mob? Trevor has consistently stated that we are playing by the rules and are in complete regulatory compliance, so I don't understand the need for secrecy? If everything is legal, why should we care if a bank or government agency ask a question? I realize this is not the typical cheerleading type of post, and I don't mean for it to sound offensive or too probing, but I really don't understand why things mentioned in this thread would be necessary if we're invested in a business that's not breaking any rules? Feel free to delete my post if my questions are considered too invasive. Dan

DRC
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Posts: 11

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 4:11 am Post subject:

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Dan, CEP is a legitimate business. What I think that various members are suggesting is that you protect yourself and educate yourself on banking regulations, changes the Patriots Act brought about and so on. CEP is playing by the rules but that does not mean that everyone else is.

DRC

HoneyNotVinager
Joined: 13 Dec 2006
Posts: 746
Location: UK
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 4:22 am Post subject:

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Just Buzzzzzzzzzzzzzing in to say

Hi-ya DanDaMan

I'm interested in reading the material, can members access this hidden area? Yes all registered CEP forum members can read the thread in the Cooments/Suggestion thread.

It seems counterproductive to see the moderators erase threads when they see post with questions or comments that they deem as unsuitable. As PK pointed out this Forum is as much for members as it is for CEP Staff, some questions are being asked, which seem inappropriate to the forum, especially as others have asked the same ones before and the answers will still be the same, maybe these members do not have the same responsible attitude as the majority..........

The recent talk of making this a private Forum and hiding CEP from the public makes me uncomfortable. As a private investment business, I along with many others do not see the reasoning for the public (ie non CEP members) to have access to this forum and it's discussions herein. We the public do not for instance have access to any other private business forums. This is not meant to be a secret society, this is so that CEP members can discuss within reason anything they like, including I suspect topic which have recently been discused.


So far as 'red flaggs with banks is concerned' maybe a few members in the past have had problems when depositing larger than normal ammounts, from other businesses that they have been envolved with. I do not personnally see a problem with the way in which CEPTrust have structured the withdrawl limits. If a member has had a problem the chances are that there has been a legitimate reason for this.

In the UK all registered businesses have to comply with various 'money laws' although the majority do, some don't and needless to say they are the ones which cause problems for the rest of us. CEP LLC and CEPTrust are very much like this in that they complies with all relivant business laws, but unfortunately the majority don't. So these members who have had problems are just trying to point this out. Unfortunately what starts out as a simple post, often with a large meber base becomes something quite different and this is when the forum admins/moderators need to step in and do whatever....

I realize this is not the typical cheerleading type of post, and I don't mean for it to sound offensive or too probing, You do not sound offensive or too probing, your just stating what you believe and that is why this forum is so good, it allows freedom of speach by all members.

Hopefully this helps answer some of your concerns.

Health, Wealth and Happiness

Adrian
HNV

bluesky
Joined: 16 Jan 2007
Posts: 56
Location: Snellville, GA
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 12:33 pm Post subject:

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Hi Dan,

I think a lot of members here know that the good ol' US gov tends to follow the idea, freeze bank accounts and shut down the business, then ask questions later. I had a big sum of money in a pay processor that had their US bank acct frozen because someone complained about one of its users scamming them on Ebay. All because of one silly complaint, this processor lost millions in a frozen bank account. Later on, due to legal fees, etc only about 17.5% was recovered. It is senseless things like this that we want to protect all of CEP from.

Bluesky


Robin2
Joined: 03 Mar 2007
Posts: 36

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 11:57 pm Post subject:

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bluesky's comment is important to take note of. There are too, too many stories about programs, which were deemed totally within the law but were frozen and worse. CEP may well be still far above those, but one can't blame anyone from worrying about it some. The mere idea that we are doing no money laundering, and not breaking any laws and therefore there isn't one blessed thing to be concerned about from government interference--that doesn't fit the experience of many of us.

The other concern is that we as individuals plan gradual increase in our bank accounts, which is superbly realistic. We can absolutely count on being investigated if we suddenly enter huge sums into our accounts, which are far higher than ever. We may well survive that, though our accounts might be frozen in the mean time, but I'm rather eager to avoid the trouble and attention. If we didn't know about this concern before, it's a good thing it was brought out. But there is no reason to start feeling like we're hiding like criminals. It's just that the world has changed, and there is no way to deny it.

Finally, I don't think it's too wise to criticize admin's decisions in matters re the moving of these posts. Let's face it, they do have some wisdom, and probably have experiences and perspectives we don't have, and almost certainly have everyone's interest at heart. So why oppose what was done? However, they would be happy to answer our questions about it, as was done.

Robin2

bwise
Joined: 19 Feb 2007
Posts: 57

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 2:59 am Post subject:

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Bluesky, thank you for posting this and I agree 100% with everything Robin2 has said. Wisdom and Education is so critical for financial well being these days, sad but true.

Michael, since this is a public forum, these threads have probably been moved “behind the scenes” so to speak.

bwise
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layton
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Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 2:42 pm Post subject:

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Michael wrote:
Where have the threads been moved to?


The posts have been moved to the archive, not deleted. There was confusion about the title and some wanted it changed and is now under discussion.

Layton
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[Webwatch]

With the e-gold indictment CEP has made this announcement:
Discontinuation of E-gold

Greetings, Everyone!

Due to the indictment of E-gold Ltd and its owner Dr. Douglas L. Jackson, CEP Trust, LLC will cease using the services of Egold Ltd immediately. The funding and withdrawal options for e-gold have been turned off as of 9:00 PM Central Standard Time. Pending fundings will be verified and accounts credited appropriately. Any funds sent to the e-gold account used by CEP Trust, LLC directly will not be monitored and will be considered lost. Only funding attempts made before 9:00 PM CST will be honored.

All 7 day pending withdrawals to e-gold dated after April 20th, and all 2 day requests dated after April 25th have been canceled and the funds have been returned to the CEP Trust accounts. All members who have pending 7 day withdrawal requests that were made on April 20th will have the opportunity to cancel their withdrawal request should they choose to do so by submitting a ticket from their respective CEP Trust member area only (e-mails and phone calls for this matter will not be accepted) with the subject "Cancel E-gold Withdrawal". Members will have until 6:00 PM Central Standard Time on Saturday, April 28 to submit this ticket requesting that the withdrawal be canceled. After 6:00 PM CST, the remainder of the withdrawal requests dated April 20th will be fulfilled.

We will be offering bank wire withdrawal services through your member area beginning early next week. This should be a useful feature for many of you, and a good replacement for e-gold. We will inform you when this function is ready. Thank you, as always, for using CEP Trust as your internet payment solution! We are happy to serve you.

Trevor E. Reed
Poor e-gold, what happened to innocent untill proven guilty.

More likely Trevor is a little worried about govt investigations into e-gold accounts. Such an honest Christian has nothing to worry about surely.;)

[Ferret]

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.colonendparenthesis.com

Nothing comes up for http://www.colonendparenthesis.net

I haven't even looked at these old websites from colon end parenthesis CEP yet

PS: I did have a quick talk with a guy from the SEC today
about colon end parenthesis ;)
He said he would take a look at it

PPS: This thread is #2 on google for colon end parenthesis

#1 for colon end parenthesis scam lol :p

[Ferret]

Thanks for the colon end parenthesis plug :p
Please give me a backlink next time with colon end parenthesis as the anchor text

http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2662&sid=d4dc7ed657ddb81607a67cd1da60b70c

deadgrassdog
Joined: 20 Mar 2007
Posts: 15
Location: Sunny Californina
Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 10:21 am Post subject: I sure hope Trevor has his ducks in order

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I got this from the Matrix forum...

Quote:
PS: I did have a quick talk with a guy from the SEC today
about colon end parenthesis
He said he would take a look at it


This guy isn't just threatening either.
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ncref
Joined: 14 Mar 2007
Posts: 21
Location: North Carolina
Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 10:33 am Post subject: Stop Posting Junk

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Hey Deadgrassdog,

Why post junk? If you don't have anything "etched in stone" to share, it is best served to just keep it under you hat. To say "some guy" and "he is serious" is a bunch of bologna!

What have you done by posting this junk? It's a doom and gloom message to new members who have not read all the posts in the forum and have yet to form their own opinion and be able see that CEPT is a first clase organization.

If something is going on, I'm sure Trevor will keep us posted on it.

Do not post opinions! Post facts!

Thanks and have a great day.

NCRef
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deadgrassdog
Joined: 20 Mar 2007
Posts: 15
Location: Sunny Californina
Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 12:52 pm Post subject:

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ncerf... you are right about me not having hard facts. However if you are familiar with the Matrix Watch forum you will see they don't mess around from my experience. I don't always agree with the way they treat people or slam Layton or others that make a stand but they have help some people.

I am not trying to spread doom and gloom only trying to stay informed. I like others here have lost $$ in other programs and don't want to do it again! I do believe in Trevor and his list of programs. However a nice heads up is always better than being blindsided!

Sorry to offend you in any way but I won't put my head in the sand and I don't think others should either. Know your friends and your enemies close!
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RicDavis
Joined: 06 Apr 2007
Posts: 48

Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 1:37 pm Post subject: Re: Stop Posting Junk

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ncref wrote:
Hey Deadgrassdog,

Why post junk? If you don't have anything "etched in stone" to share, it is best served to just keep it under you hat. To say "some guy" and "he is serious" is a bunch of bologna!

What have you done by posting this junk? It's a doom and gloom message to new members who have not read all the posts in the forum and have yet to form their own opinion and be able see that CEPT is a first clase organization.

If something is going on, I'm sure Trevor will keep us posted on it.

Do not post opinions! Post facts!

Thanks and have a great day.

NCRef


I agree completely NCRef. Deadgrassdog should have waited until this "guy" from the SEC had something concrete to report and not post an apparent "scare". And just who is this "I" that "did have a quick talk with a guy from the SEC"? Lets make sure that our post here are credible and don't post a scare. With all that is going on with 1dmc and e-gold, we don't need this. A PM heads up message to Trevor would have been a lot more appropriate.

I am a relatively new member and even though it did raise a little concern, I am 100% confident that Trevor and company are 100% compliant with the law.
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surfguy
Joined: 09 Jan 2007
Posts: 56
Location: Miami, FL.
Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 2:04 pm Post subject:

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Yeah, they're all excited over there at Matrix because they were the biggest nemesis of YMMSS/STA and partied when it finally folded. Now they think their going to collect with this class action lawsuit. Good luck! BTW, I lost a bundle believing Kim Inman. Live and learn.

On another note, I wouldn't think that the SEC has any jurisdiction over CEP which is incorporated in Belize. Could be wrong.

Lenny

bluesky
Joined: 16 Jan 2007
Posts: 59
Location: Snellville, GA
Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 2:04 pm Post subject:

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Since CEP itself is located offshore, what could the SEC do anyway? I realize that Trevor has said they are compliant because they want to be, even though since they are offshore, they are not affected by the SEC. Someone correct me if my info/impression is wrong.

Bluesky

jer37
Joined: 08 Mar 2007
Posts: 10

Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 2:58 pm Post subject:

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Here is the thread with a copy of posts where Trevor explains.

http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1575&sid=4903e86bf2253f8e972d73d33b63fa3d

jer37


http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8939&highlight=&sid=d4dc7ed657ddb81607a67cd1da60b70c#8939

deadgrassdog
Joined: 20 Mar 2007
Posts: 15
Location: Sunny Californina
Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 5:35 pm Post subject: Greetings from Bay Area in Sunny California

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Hello all!
Just wanted to drop in and introduce myself. While I am new to CEP I have been involved in mostly loosing HYIPS for a few years now. Like someone else mentioned been in a few to at least break even but more have ran with much of my $$ than I care to admit to... with my first being YMMSS... I have been hooked since then!

Here is to God's Blessing on this program and I am excited to post my first "GOT PAID" post soon.
Hi deadgrassdog
Like I keep saying some people just NEVER learn

I see we have an interest in common.........hunting :D
You probably hunt defenseless animals
I prefer to hunt religious ponzi scammers :p
I have one in my range finder right now :D

Will give you an SEC update later

[Ferret]

An interesting thread

Why is this Forum not yet Private?

http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1975&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=d4dc7ed657ddb81607a67cd1da60b70c

bwise
Joined: 19 Feb 2007
Posts: 59

Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 7:56 am Post subject:

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I have came to the conclusion that many things said on Colon End Parenthesis CEP forums not only by myself but many of us could be taken out of context by anyone wishing to harm Colon End Parenthesis CEP and it does seem that there are people out to ruin Colon End Parenthesis CEP (sic). No doubt those who what to harm Colon End Parenthesis CEP do not care how legitimate Colon End Parenthesis CEP is and they will make Colon End Parenthesis CEP forums a daily stop. Anyone out to harm Colon End Parenthesis CEP will also turn a deaf ear to anything legal and legitimate because they do not want to hear.

It appears that no matter how legitimate a company/program is there are always people who for whatever reasons want to see it fail and it goes beyond sadness to know there are people who want to harm the good in the world. But we all know it is a fact of life in any walk of life. I think jealousy plays a large role in devious people’s intentions as well as self-serving purposes and God only knows what other reasons there are. No matter what their motives are they are not good.

I hope and pray for Colon End Parenthesis CEP Holdings continued and long success. Hopefully the fires that have been started with the intention to burn and disintegrate Colon End Parenthesis CEP will die out. Trevor and company can’t spend all their time fighting the evils that have no intent other than destruction.

It will be good to hear Trevor’s thoughts on various matters as well as if there is anything we members can do or not do to insure the longevity of Colon End Parenthesis CEP programs. Perhaps one thing we members can do to help in these matters is be careful of what we do say here as well as other forums and places. I know that I for one am going to think twice before posting anything that could possibly help devious people in their unsavory quests. I do not wish for my words to be used or twisted to aid anyone out to harm the Colon End Parenthesis CEP, therefore I would like to see Colon End Parenthesis CEP forums very private.

My thoughts and prayers are with Colon End Parenthesis CEP Holdings, Trevor and company as well as members. Long live Colon End Parenthesis CEP!

bwise

[easyrider60]

Just stumbled into this thread and have been doing the reading. Having read all the posts about CEP being a ponzi and had a few questions which don't seem to be here.I am not taking sides just observations.

A ponzi if I understand it has to be open to take in new members to pay the old members.And the new members are the ones that get the shaft if I am correct.

Have read a lot of threads on CEP from many different forums and all the positive & negative comments. Upon doing some research into this company, the negative have been saying it would fall as far back as Nov 2005 and that no company could pay the percentages it's paying and live. Well here it is May 2007 and from what I can find CEP is still going strong, is closed to new members, so ponzi doesn't fit and are still paying ALL members both new and old every month. I would say that as of right now ( nobody knows what tomorrow will bring) that the yea's are way ahead of the nay's at this point in these discussions. From what I have read here it seems Ferret has an ax to grind with CEP and I for one would like to know the reason for that.The program is running, everyone seems to be making money so what's the beef? Can't find anyone who hasn't made a little or lot of money there.. Just curious

[Webwatch]

Looking back on the early stuff CEP seems to have gone online around Jan 2006 although the earliest incarnation of the website seems a little comic book.
Mix in a bit of religion to an obvious ponzi scheme and its amazing how long these programs will last.
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.colonendparenthesis.com
I know what your first question is: What in the world is a colon end parenthesis? If you type it out, you?ll see the emoticon above...that?s right, a colon end parenthesis is a smile, and that?s the business we at Colon End Parenthesis pursue...bringing smiles to your faces.

Though this site is quite new, I plan on adding other features as the business thrives. The first and main purpose of this site is to help you make money. I have been successfully making money on the internet for some time now, and I want to help you do the same. I know how tiring it can be to wait up until just after midnight, or 1 am, or 3 am to get your autosurfing done for the day and how disappointing it can be to watch autosurf companies crumble and take your invested money and trust to the grave with them. That?s why I decided to start Colon End Parenthesis...any money you put into the program will have my personal guarantee to earn more money over a selected period of time. Unlike autosurf companies that make all the choices for you, I?m going to give you the option to select how long a period of time you want to put your money in. This will not be a ponzi scheme (or pyramid scheme). I will not be counting on future upgrades in order to payout! I have learned where to invest monies to make a profit, and that?s where the monies with which you trust Colon End Parenthesis will go. You?ll find nothing but honesty here, so you can ask me any question you like. I have a profile so as to break down the ?I?m better than you? barrier. I?m just your average person who wants to work together to build wealth in the lives of interested people. There?s a link to the top-left explaining what we currently offer in greater detail. Have fun!


Trevor
Its amazing how often a scam will always say it isn't one in the early days.
An honest question for Trevor would be "Where are CEP members funds invested to acheive such incredible returns".

The Terms of service really are amusing though:
Terms Of Service


CEP Terms of Service

"Simply let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and your 'No,' 'No'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one."

Matthew 5:37

Strange way to start a terms of service? That's ok; we have a strange way of running business. Fact is, when we say something, we mean it. As noted on the About Us page, this business is built on a Christian foundation, and on that foundation of Truth it will stand. This being said, there a few things I'd like to go over before you finish signing up.

1. If you plan to cheat, scam, or steal, this is not the place for you. This host is honest, and we ask the same of you. We will do our best to hold to everything we've said, pay you in a timely fashion, and continue to add new services for you. If, however, any of the benefits we offer should begin to hurt the company--whether it be from member abuse or something we missed in foresight while planning--we will notify you via update if we decide to make a change. We are here for the long run, and all of us, members and administrators, need to be flexible in order to ensure longevity.

2. Also in regards to integrity, you are agreeing that you will, indeed, pay whatever you owe your government in taxes on all of your interest earned through CEP. All monies entrusted to CEP are considered investments, and what you earn and are paid is considered interest. If you are dissatisfied with the service, you may request a refund up to 30 days from the date of purchase. If you have been paid any monies from us, you will no longer be eligible for a refund. If there are any issues, please contact us regarding the problem before going elsewhere. We are here to help. We want to see you succeed, as well. :-)

3. We will only invest the monies you entrust to us into companies that have earned our trust. We will do everything possible to spread your money out and keep it safe. If major companies that we use go out of business, we may take a hit and have to re-evaluate certain aspects of the program. This does not mean we will give up. We will not be running with anyone's money, so do not fear for that. If we had to change anything, it may just be limiting which options members could choose until everything is straightened out. If this happens, it would require the patience of all of our members and our admin. We will not tolerate any act against our site, and that includes extreme cases of impatience. If you're concerned about a payment, contact us. No program or script is perfect, and something may have been missed. We will look into it and reply to you. We will not steal anybody's money! We have done our research (several months of research) and have a pretty good eye on companies that are safe to invest with. We are here to do the research and investing for you, so you do not have to, thus saving you time.

4. As a Christian company, we will be forced to exercise tough love to any member who is intentionally hurting the company and clear them from our database. This is for the safety of our other members, the business, and the administrators. This includes having more than one membership. The referral program is a nice incentive to the program. If you abuse it, you will be cleared from our database for the above said reasons. There is no reason for more than one account. You do not need more than one membership, and--if you sign up for multiple memberships--it only means you are trying to cheat the system and get referral commissions from your own money. Bad idea. We log IP addresses, and these rules will be enforced. Please do not try to hurt our company. It is our desire to serve you. Please treat us respectfully, for you will be treated in this way. A word of warning: If you do not have patience, you are not meant to risk any monies in high yield investment programs. So, please be sure you are qualified before signing up. That's really it. We are excited that you have chosen Colon End Parenthesis, and we look forward to serving you for many years to come. :-) Welcome! :-D

[Ferret]

Hey WebWatch
You haven't been paying attention
The current Colon End Parenthesis CEP website still says
pretty much the same crappola

Did you even read this Colon End Parenthesis CEP thread?

I do like the busy background on Jan 2006 though

Quick Stats 2006 Jan
Members: 16
Verified: 10
Invested: $1835
Paid Out: $360

http://web.archive.org/web/20060114094530/www.colonendparenthesis.com/recommended.php

You MUST read the link above to see what Trevor Reed was pushing back then
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We are currently offering multiple options to ?invest? (see right side of page) your money. You can purchase your levels of Colon End Parentheses (yes, that?s plural. ;-)) from the purchase page in the members area (EMO and stormpay) automatically or by e-mailing me at admin@colonendparenthesis.com for one of the other payment options. I am currently accepting EMO, paypal, SFIpay and Stormpay. For paypal, there will be special moderation as many of my friends that run autosurfs have been greatly hurt through this program. In terms of withdrawing, you have the choice to withdraw to whichever of these processors you like (however, if you pay via paypal, you must wait 60 days before requesting a payment with any option). Click here for more specific details. The options here are not set in stone, and I would like to add others. If you have different ideas, let me know. Maybe we can work something out. ;-)

[Ferret]

I can't edit the post above so I will continue
the Colon End Parenthesis CEP saga here

My pal Layton a serial scam junkie and scamaholic and scam enabler
( Moderator ) edited the thread

http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2662&sid=d4dc7ed657ddb81607a67cd1da60b70c

deadgrassdog
Joined: 20 Mar 2007
Posts: 15
Location: Sunny Californina
Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 10:21 am Post subject: I sure hope Trevor has his ducks in order

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This was edited because there were no facts included, just what one person said without factual proof
Layton
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-Deadgrassdog

layton
Moderator
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Posts: 468
Location: Houston, Texas
Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 3:39 pm Post subject:

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Ok, I did go over to Matrix Watch, I used to use them as a guide in my DD, But since the YMMS fiasco and the change in leadership, they are now no better than Talk Gold. I went over there to request facts but right from the start the admin had already made up their mind and to date have not put any fact behind their accusations. All they have resorted is malicious name calling and then I decided that I would not post over there any more for the same reason that I do not post at Talk Gold, They already have their minds made up and nothing you can do will change their minds. As far as saying that so and so talked to the SEC, well any one can say that, If I said I talked to The SEC without any proof of it, would you believe it? What you are doing in reality is just spreading rumors and it scares a lot of people that dont know that it is. So, what I am going to do is leave this long enough for you to get the proof, If there is none by Tuesday the 8th, this thread will be deleted. We are a open board and want concerns expressed, but not un substantiated rumors, also if any one does not believe that they can make money and think they are going to lose, I ask you a question, why are you here?
All I can say is that despite all the SKY IS FALLING proclamations that are being made, there is only one thing and one thing that I care about, and that is that every single month I have been paid very good without fail, and that is the only thing that I care about.

Layton
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CAN'T NEVER DID ANYTHING, CAN DO DID

Chard
Joined: 05 May 2006
Posts: 173
Location: Burlington, Ontario.
Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 3:41 pm Post subject:

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deadgrassdog wrote:
I am not trying to spread doom and gloom only trying to stay informed. I like others here have lost $$ in other programs and don't want to do it again! I do believe in Trevor and his list of programs. However a nice heads up is always better than being blindsided!


If that was your true concern then you could have sent that privately to Trevor rather than post it here.

Paul


Michael
Joined: 27 May 2006
Posts: 80

Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 4:04 pm Post subject:

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[quote="layton"]Ok, I did go over to Matrix Watch, I used to use them as a guide in my DD, But since the YMMS fiasco and the change in leadership, they are now no better than Talk Gold. I went over there to request facts but right from the start the admin had already made up their mind and to date have not put any fact behind their accusations. All they have resorted is malicious name calling and then I decided that I would not post over there any more for the same reason that I do not post at Talk Gold, They already have their minds made up and nothing you can do will change their minds. As far as saying that so and so talked to the SEC, well any one can say that, If I said I talked to The SEC without any proof of it, would you believe it? What you are doing in reality is just spreading rumors and it scares a lot of people that dont know that it is. So, what I am going to do is leave this long enough for you to get the proof, If there is none by Tuesday the 8th, this thread will be deleted. We are a open board and want concerns expressed, but not un substantiated rumors, also if any one does not believe that they can make money and think they are going to lose, I ask you a question, why are you here?
All I can say is that despite all the SKY IS FALLING proclamations that are being made, there is only one thing and one thing that I care about, and that is that every single month I have been paid very good without fail, and that is the only thing that I care about.


I care about that, but I also care that I continue to be paid every single month without fail.


RicDavis
Joined: 06 Apr 2007
Posts: 50

Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 4:38 pm Post subject:

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Thanks Layton,

YOUR ACTIONS ARE RIGHT ON!!!! I don't know what Matrix Watch is. I don't know what YMMS is. And I don't know what Talk Gold is - nor do I really care. What I do care about is all the fine people here and what CEP is doing or will be doing for them. We do not need people trying to scare members by posting supposedly threating statements. If I wasn't 99.9999999999% sure that Trevor was doing things 100% right, I would not be here. And I have been in the CEP family for a little over 6 weeks.
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bluestar
Joined: 07 Dec 2006
Posts: 95

Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 5:19 pm Post subject:

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thanks Layton for a firm and resposible hand.......I also agree with Chard....


I did not read what was originally written,but anyone that cares and is resposible would not post rumors or hearsay ,that is rampant on some forums....people read such posts,become hysterical,act irresponsibly,panic, and forget who is paying them and acting ethically,responsibly,and as great business people...that is to say all of CEP Colon End Parenthesis


and there are those who are not even real members that want to simply create a disturbance....we will politely decline to let them...


let us all have a good,successful day...

[easyrider60]

Looking back on the early stuff CEP seems to have gone online around Jan 2006 although the earliest incarnation of the website seems a little comic book.


I have found other threads some time back that take it to Nov 2005 I have to say that they did put a warning in there: A word of warning: If you do not have patience, you are not meant to risk any monies in high yield investment programs. So, please be sure you are qualified before signing up. If people choose to invest what's the big deal as it's their choice and their money to do so. For someone to warn people that they think it's a scam is one thing but some of the post go way beyond that. It seems certain people are trying to take away the free will of others.Sounds like BIG BROTHER in the private sector.

It's their money and the warning is posted so the choice is their's. Can't say they aren't being honest with that.

I do have a question for Ferret...You seem to get a kick of bringing all the post from the CEP website here and making a long post for what reason?? Anyone can go to their website and read all that for themselves but if admin don't mind the severe space, knock yourself out. Whatever trips your trigger.

[Ferret]

OK, you want facts, fair enough
I called the SEC at 323 965-3998 and talked to an agent yesterday

I just called them again and the agent said the Colon End Parenthesis
case was referred to the SEC Atlanta office as Trevor and Clayton
are in the South.

I will be following up with the enforcement duty agent there

If you still doubt my familiarity with the SEC READ my old thread
Need Info to Report YMMSS STA Kim Inman Scam to sec.gov by email
http://www.matrixwatch.org/forums/showthread.php?t=4009

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http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2666&sid=d4dc7ed657ddb81607a67cd1da60b70c

layton
Moderator
Joined: 05 Jan 2007
Posts: 468
Location: Houston, Texas
Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 4:00 pm Post subject: Posting

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Ladies and Gentlemen of the forum, we strive to keep this forum as a good source of the current information of Colon End Parenthesis , so we do not and will not censure any post that deals with fact. Please do not post here say and non fact that is not backed up by un documented proof. Please refrain from bringing HE SAID/SHE SAID here to post unless you can also prove what was said with documents. Just state facts and let the discussion run it's course. Sorry it had to come to this, but any thing that cannot be proved will from this point forward be deleted in it's entirety. I hope you will under stand why this has to be put into effect, and no this is not censership, but too much unfactual info is now starting to nbe posted to the forum.

Layton
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If at first you don't succeed, try and try again
CAN'T NEVER DID ANYTHING, CAN DO DID

[Ferret]

Just stumbled into this thread and have been doing the reading. Having read all the posts about CEP being a ponzi and had a few questions which don't seem to be here.I am not taking sides just observations.
Welcome to MatrixWatch easyrider60 and God Bless You!!!

I will be happy to answer your questions when I have a spare moment
from copy and pasteing :D

Did you happen to stumble upon this thread while doing a search for
Colon End Parenthesis on Google? (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Colon+End+Parenthesis&btnG=Google+Search)

PS: easyrider is one of my favorite movies and the sound track is great

[Ferret]

deadgrassdog
Joined: 20 Mar 2007
Posts: 16
Location: Sunny Californina
Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 6:44 pm Post subject:

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Ok you guys can hammer me but know that I wasn't trying to start any mass hysteria. I was in YMMSS and please don't let this get like the old YMS forum that you get slammed if you say something negative. I never said anything negative just a heads up! I have a stake in CEP I have put my money where my mouth is but at the same time I continue to try and stay informed. I like Layton do not post on TG forum although I did put a post up on there today in defense of CEP. Sorry again if I have offended anyone!
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-Deadgrassdog
Maybe there is a glimmer of hope left for Deadgrassdog
that he can see that he is repeating all the mistakes he made in getting
ripped off by YMMSS and Kim Inman

Hint:They both are PONZIs and will end the same way
It is just a matter of time but eventually paying 2% a
day will crash the whole PONZI. It is just basic math and
Jesus will not save the day........

http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5728&highlight=&sid=d5aaf3e587c50c3cad799e00a94b2f1c#5728

jimr
Joined: 16 Feb 2007
Posts: 11
Location: Kansas
Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 7:31 pm Post subject: Dogs

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Dogs don't bark at parked cars. Keep up the good work Layton.
Blessings to you and CEP, Jim
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Our Father in heaven wants each of us to be wealthy, healthy and wise.
3 John 1:2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.
Blesssings, Pastor Jim

Now here is a genious statement by a Pastor that has gotten
his flock into this PONZI scam
This is the level of mentality of the typical Colon End Parenthesis
member, he says this pearl of wisdom often
Ferrets don't bark Pastor, they chase rats out of holes

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jimr
Joined: 16 Feb 2007
Posts: 11
Location: Kansas
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 7:00 am Post subject: Chruch Account

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Hi Gary, I set up our church yesterday. I called CEP Trust and Jessie told me to use our FIN number for the church and also get a letter from our bank saying that one member of the staff can sign checks. That person is the one that has to set up the account.
Blessings, Pastor Jim, Verdigris Valley Christian Fellowship
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Our Father in heaven wants each of us to be wealthy, healthy and wise.
3 John 1:2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.
Blesssings, Pastor Jim

Heres another Pastor getting his Church into a ponzi scam
GARY
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Posts: 101

Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 9:14 pm Post subject: Ministry account

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Hello, I am a Pastor of a Baptist Church. I dont exactly understand how everyone in hear is getting such a good return on there money, But I like what im hearing. My question is this? I have just opened up an account and so has my wife. Is it possible to open up a Ministry account? An account to where we would just help the needy? Thanks for the info! I dont want to do anything wrong so I would like your advice.
Gary

Heres another one

fowler35
Joined: 06 Jul 2006
Posts: 20

Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:24 pm Post subject:

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Hi Gary, I set up our church about a month ago and we went through the steps the previous post advised. It will take a week or so but it was pretty smooth for us.


I am really jealous that this ponzi scam by Trevor Reed is going to crash
and all of you that were ripped off by another very honest christian Kim Inman
have gotten yourself into the very same YMMess
Greed blinds the foolish.
Ask Trevor WHERE all your money is "invested" to get these outrageously
high interest returns
He will never tell you because they don't exist. Trevor may be playing some
other HYIPs but we all know how that ends. Yes, you lose your money

Ask Trevor Reed what the real estate and REAL brick and mortar investments are.
He will NEVER tell you because they don't exist.
Why are these SECRETS?
I thought he said you could ask anything and honesty was encouraged?

I am as greedy as the next man but I have a modicum of common sense
and I can see how this ponzi scam will end
Trevor Reed, Clayton and a few of the first ones in will make money but
the vast mass of Colon End Parenthesis members will be ruined and lose
it all.
Anyone entering recently will be in that group, you have been warned.

[Ferret]

Affinity fraud is defined as con artists targeting members of their own race, nationality or religious affiliation and exploiting their status as members of the group to solicit investments.

This describes Trevor Reed and Colon End Parenthesis to a T

http://www.fox11az.com/news/topstories/stories/kmsb-20070129-apjc-babtistssentenced.2f1914e6.html

Former Baptist Foundation executives to be sentenced Friday

09:25 AM MST on Monday, January 29, 2007


Jan 29, 2:08 AM EST


PHOENIX (AP) -- Five former executives with the Baptist Foundation of Arizona are scheduled to be sentenced in Phoenix on Friday in what has been called one of the largest affinity fraud cases ever.

Scheduled to be sentenced are: former foundation treasurer Donald Dale Deardoff; foundation subsidiaries officer Edgar Alan Kuhn; former board member Jalma W. Hunsinger; former foundation director Harold Friend; and former accounting consultant Richard Lee Rolfes.

Two former executives of the Baptist Foundation were sentenced in the affinity fraud case in September.

Former foundation president William Crotts was sentenced to eight years in prison and former general counsel Thomas Grabinski was sentenced to six years in prison on fraud and racketeering charges.

Both men also were ordered to pay $159 million to make up for money investors lost when the foundation collapsed in 1999.

The foundation was created in 1948 by the national Tennessee-based Southern Baptist Convention. It grew into an independent nonprofit organization that raised money to build churches and retirement homes.

Prosecutors said that in the 1990s, the foundation took advantage of 11,000 people - most of the elderly - promising them high returns in safe, faith-based investments.

Their business plan eventually unraveled and the foundation took on millions of dollars in debt.

"I lost a quarter-million dollars that put me and my wife back to work and pulled my daughter out (of) college. That money has to be repaid," said 60-year-old Arizona City resident Bob Shaw.

Shaw and other investors eventually got about 70 percent of their money back after authorities set up a trust to sell off foundation assets and divvy up a settlement from an accounting firm.

The other 30 percent of the money lost is supposed to come from the defendants.

But, defense attorneys for Crotts and Grabinski say their clients have virtually no money to pay their combined $318 million tabs.

The two are earning 35 cents an hour on prison wages. Crotts is a chaplain clerk and Grabinski is an education aide.

Thirty percent of their prison wages must go to victims. Their last restitution payments were a little more than $14, said Gordon Mulleneaux, associate clerk of the Maricopa County Superior Court.

Judge Kenneth Fields is expected to decide the best way to deal with the small sums, including whether to donate it to a crime victims group, Mulleneaux said.

Affinity fraud is defined as con artists targeting members of their own race, nationality or religious affiliation and exploiting their status as members of the group to solicit investments.

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[Ferret]

Crimes of this nature are called "affinity fraud" by law enforcement, because they target members of a specific demographic group whose trust the fraudster tries to gain by passing himself off as one of them. However, when it comes to scams that specifically target religious people by using their belief as a lever, I have a better name: faith-based fraud.

My point in listing all these crimes is not to imply that religion is false because many religious people are hypocrites. It is to highlight a more fundamental problem: a belief system that is based on faith, that praises people for making decisions not based on evidence and encourages the notion that the impossible will happen if only they believe strongly enough, has an intrinsic vulnerability to these kinds of crimes.

Most religious believers are told from childhood that their religion is the one true one, and that members of it are honest, good and trustworthy people and that God looks out for them. When a smooth-talking con artist then comes along, representing himself as a member of the same religious community and professing words of piety, of course he will find many willing victims.

Granted, the Bible and other holy books contain injunctions to beware of hypocrites; but their instructions on how to uncover a con artist are usually limited to one or two perfunctory tests to see if a newcomer knows the right code words, or advising religious believers to pray over the matter or use "spiritual discernment". By encouraging believers to think that they have supernatural power to detect deception or that God will watch over them and keep them from going astray, these faith systems only make their adherents more vulnerable to being ripped off. And the problem is exacerbated by the hierarchical, authoritarian structure of church leadership, which discourages excessive questioning of those in power and leaves gaping accountability loopholes for clergy members who become corrupt or fall prey to fraud.

As long as faith-based decision making is encouraged and promoted, faith-based fraud will continue, and well-meaning theists whose gullibility has been carefully cultivated for somewhat different purposes will continue to be taken in by it. The only realistic way to stop fraud is to encourage skepticism, full accountability, and a strict adherence to the principles of evidence-based reasoning, but it is no surprise that so many religious denominations are wary of equipping their members with those tools. ("Be skeptical of the people who ask you for money and don't give them anything unless they can prove that they can deliver what they promise" is, I think, a sermon that many clergy would be uncomfortable about delivering to their flock.) Instead, I suspect that the occasional fraud targeting their members is considered by many religious leaders to be an acceptable price to pay to keep tithes and donations flowing into their own collection boxes.

Colon End Parenthesis

[Ferret]

deadgrassdog
Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: CA
Posts: 4

Ok how do I or who do I talk to... I have about $7500 in YMMSS since November 2004 an have never seen anything... I tied to get my $$ back when the system first changed over but they said I bought advertising and there were no refunds. I got a whooping $38.13 for my positions. This sucks big time!! I am tired of listening to all the lies of Mr. Kim Inman.
deadgrassdog
I challenge you to ask some direct questions to Trevor Reed

Ask Trevor WHERE all your money is "invested" to get these outrageously
high interest returns
He will never tell you because they don't exist. Trevor may be playing some
other HYIPs but we all know how that ends. Yes, you lose your money

Ask Trevor Reed what the real estate and REAL brick and mortar investments are.
He will NEVER tell you because they don't exist.
Why are these SECRETS?

Trevor Reed admits that Colon End Parenthesis started as a HYIP and it still is
How could it have changed into anything else?
ALL HYIPs are ponzi scams
They pay money from later investors to the early birds

Colon End Parenthesis has every red warning flag that there is
and they are all signalling that is a ponzi scam
Only those blinded by greed could miss these warning signals
Wake up!!! and take the blinders off!!!

[deadgrassdog]

Ferret... I have put some $$ in this program but I have learned a lot since YMMSS! I only use money I can afford to lose so no more jumping in with both feet into an empty pool. So far CEP has been paying and nobody is complaining. I have made some money in the HYIP arena but not tons and I don't plan on being rich over night just little bites here and there. Sort of like gambling just know your limits and don't spend the lunch money!

As far as hunting defenseless animals well I assume you are a vegetarian and don't wear leather shoes?

[deadgrassdog]

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deadgrassdog
I challenge you to ask some direct questions to Trevor Reed

Ask Trevor WHERE all your money is "invested" to get these outrageously
high interest returns
He will never tell you because they don't exist. Trevor may be playing some
other HYIPs but we all know how that ends. Yes, you lose your money

Ask Trevor Reed what the real estate and REAL brick and mortar investments are.
He will NEVER tell you because they don't exist.
Why are these SECRETS?

Trevor Reed admits that Colon End Parenthesis started as a HYIP and it still is
How could it have changed into anything else?
ALL HYIPs are ponzi scams
They pay money from later investors to the early birds

Colon End Parenthesis has every red warning flag that there is
and they are all signalling that is a ponzi scam
Only those blinded by greed could miss these warning signals
Wake up!!! and take the blinders off!!!
Well at this point I am trusting Trevor until I hear otherwise and like I said small gamble if the program is still paying... Big gamble when there is people complaining of not being paid. So far that is not happening.

[Ferret]

Ferret... I have put some $$ in this program but I have learned a lot since YMMSS! I only use money I can afford to lose so no more jumping in with both feet into an empty pool. So far CEP has been paying and nobody is complaining. I have made some money in the HYIP arena but not tons and I don't plan on being rich over night just little bites here and there. Sort of like gambling just know your limits and don't spend the lunch money!

As far as hunting defenseless animals well I assume you are a vegetarian and don't wear leather shoes?YMMSS paid for 2 years so what does that prove? No one was complaining at YMMSS then either until they stopped paying

You are also participating in an illegal ponzi scheme that will hurt many
Are you one of those honest christians?

You have lost much more money than you have made in HYIP scams so
who are you kidding?
You have not made anything and you are chasing your losses
You are self deluded just like a gambling addict
You lost $7500 in YMMSS and I bet there were others big losses too
if you are honest with yourself

Yes I am a very long time vegetarian and I don't buy leather shoes
I also don't gamble......:p Its a suckers game
Never even bought a lottery ticket, why bother?

[Ferret]

ILLINOIS SECRETARY OF STATE
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
August 7, 2001
CONTACT: Dave Druker
PHONE: (217) 782-5984
(312) 814-3175
or
CONTACT: Randy Nehrt
PHONE: (217) 782-5984
TTY: 1-800-252-2904


Secretary White Warns Investors to Beware of
Investment Fraud Involving Religion
Two Cases Result in Fraud Total Almost $600 Million

SPRINGFIELD –– Illinois Secretary of State Jesse White is warning people to beware of investment frauds involving religion in light of two major Illinois cases where investors lost millions of dollars.
White and his Securities Department issued the warning today, highlighting two Illinois investment fraud cases - St. Clair Industries, Inc. and Greater Ministries International Church reaching a total of $586 million.

"Cloaking an investment with religion can give it a false sense of safety," said Secretary White. "Many people borrowed money or invested their life savings based on the belief that a fellow church member could be trusted and instead they were sadly deceived."

One of these cases involves St. Clair Industries and its President, Randal E. St. Clair, who solicited 60 individuals, some from the Illinois church where he was a deacon and throughout the United States. St. Clair falsely told investors that two oil wells, which were never drilled, had been drilled and were producing oil. He also told a fellow church member that he was offering her an investment in an oil well because she was a widow and he liked helping 'widows'. Other times, he would ask people to help find other investors from the church they attended or by providing a list of church references.

In 1999 the Illinois Secretary of State's office prohibited St. Clair and his company from offering or selling securities. In the end, St. Clair defrauded investors of over $8 million dollars. He was sentenced to 51 months in jail and to pay over $8 million in restitution in June 2000.

"When you invest you shouldn't let your guard down merely because someone is appealing to your religion or your faith," said Secretary of State Jesse White. "Always do your homework. Be skeptical and careful when you invest."

In another case, the warning about religious-based investment scams coincides with the expected sentencing of Greater Ministries International Church founder, Gerald Payne, in federal district court in Tampa, Florida on fraud and conspiracy charges. Nearly 28,000 investors nationwide and internationally , were persuaded by church leaders to mortgage their homes, run up large credit card debts or cash in retirement funds.

Between 1993 and 1999, Greater Ministries promised tens of thousands of investors that the church would double their money through divinely-inspired investments in the foreign currency market and gold, silver and diamond mines in Africa and the Caribbean.

In June 2000, the Tampa, Florida-based church, which took in $578 million, was prohibited by the Illinois Secretary of State's Office from offering or selling securities in Illinois.

State securities regulators say the Greater Ministries' fraud illustrates how large, sophisticated and pervasive religious-based investment scams are becoming. Over the past three years, securities regulators in 26 states, including Illinois, have taken actions against hundreds of companies and individuals that used religious or spiritual beliefs to gain the trust of investors - over 90,000 nationwide - before swindling many of them out of their life savings.

Secretary White warns that con artists who use religion to promote their scams often:


Predict imminent financial or social crisis;

Claim they will reinvest a portion of the profits in a worthy cause; and

Equate faith in their scam to religious faith.
Before making any investment, Secretary of State Jesse White urges investors to ask the following questions:


Are the seller and investment licensed and registered in Illinois? Call the Illinois Securities Department at 1-800-628-7937 or visit www.cyberdriveillinois.com to find out. If they are not, they may be operating illegally.

Has the seller given you written information that fully explains the investment? Make sure you get proper written information, such as a prospectus or offering circular, before you buy. The documentation should contain enough clear and accurate information to allow you or your financial adviser to evaluate and verify the particulars of the investment.

Are claims made for the investment realistic? Some things really are too good to be true. Use common sense and get a professional, third party opinion when presented with investment opportunities that seem to offer unusually high returns in comparison to other investment options.

Does the investment meet your personal investment goals? Whether you are investing for long-term growth, investment income or other reasons, an investment should match your own investment goals.

Colon End Parenthesis

[deadgrassdog]

I am not hurting financially so I can't complain bills paid wife is happy so...:D

I am glad you are a vegetarian but I can say nothing like harvesting your own dinner of course you probably know what that is like if you grow your own!:p

[Ferret]

I am not hurting financially so I can't complain bills paid wife is happy so...:D
Self deluded.........
You didn't address any of my points
You have lost a lot of money on scams, you are 45?
When are you going to get it?

Thank you Surfer... This site has really opened my eyes. I just hope that I can get my money back[From YMMSS] if and when we come to that date.

-Deadgrassdog
You are going to be making another post like that in the near future

deadgrassdog $7,400.00 California SEC, IRS, FBI
deadgrassdog
Will you be turning Colon End Parenthesis and Trevor Reed into
the SEC, IRS and FBI when this scam goes bad too?

06/11/2002 YMMSS is launched
08/12/2004 YMMSS stops using Smartgroups for safelist
08/29/2004 YMMSS payment processor Evocash "has problems"
09/12/2004 YMMSS Fish Fry (location, purpose?)
10/2004 YMMSS member base over 10,000.
10/08/2004 YMMSS payment processor Intgold "has problems"
11/29/2004 YMMSS officially breaches the 90 day cycle time guarantee signaling the inevitable collapse of the ponzi.
02/2005 YMMSS (Ponzi) business model collapses.

[Webwatch]

Quite a bit to catch up on this thread but interesting to see a few supposed Pastors involved in CEP.
After all with a position of trust in the community who better to lead their flock astray with a phoney investment program.

Oh well, the nearer the pulpit the bigger the sinner.

Pastor Jim's sig says it all.
Our Father in heaven wants each of us to be wealthy, healthy and wise.
3 John 1:2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth. Trying to justify involvement in any investment program which apperently just moves money from new members to old ones by quoting a story book reference is just ridiculous.
I don't think John had a Ponzi scheme in mind when he was writing his Book.

[easyrider60]

Affinity fraud is defined as con artists targeting members of their own race, nationality or religious affiliation and exploiting their status as members of the group to solicit investments.

This describes Trevor Reed and Colon End Parenthesis to a T

http://www.fox11az.com/news/topstories/stories/kmsb-20070129-apjc-babtistssentenced.2f1914e6.html


I am going to play devil's advocate here. You are saying this news cast has something to do with CEP?. I really don't see the same thing. Yes they are both religious but the news cast tells of people losing hundreds of thousands of dollars from elderly people. From what I have read CEP was open to anyone and most are young. There is also a cap on the amount you can invest and that you can get back in 2 months so for the most part they are playing with the house's money. They are also closed to new members on their web site so one couldn't join even if they wanted to.

My other observation is that since they are a closed operating and paying company at this time and paying regular from what I can find out, no new people can join wouldn't you be doing just what you say they are doing? Taking the member's money...by shutting them down

Point..If you for some untold reason do manage to get CEP shut down, then wouldn't you be doing the people in CEP more damage than the program itself, just to prove your view? You would be controlling weather or not the newbie's would recoup any of their money and would be doing them as much harm as the company you say is a scam.So where is the justice in that? Is it a self rightisest thing? If as you say it's a ponzi, which from what I have read on different sites doesn't fit the profile, and it's closed to new members why not just let it be and help those already in to recoup some if not all their money? If it falls then you can say I told you so and we know all ponzi's will fall on their own without help.

You have made your warning very clear but to force your views and cause the company to fall by creating a ruckus then you are no better than the people you say are cheating others because you would be doing the same thing, cheating the people in the program out of any money they could otherwise have a chance to recoup. I guess I don't get your reasoning behind your thinking.

Anybody that is in ANY of these programs and has half a brain knows what's going on. The warnings are out there and if they choose to play who are you to tell them they can't.

[easyrider60]

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Trying to justify involvement in any investment program which apperently just moves money from new members to old ones by quoting a story book reference is just ridiculous.
I don't think John had a Ponzi scheme in mind when he was writing his Book.

From what I have read in different places this would not be a correct statement. There are no new members since they went private. A ponzi MUST have new members coming in all the time to operate. This doesn't seem to be the case here and checking their web site it seems ALL members new & old are being paid as discribed in the TOS, so they can't be moving to much from new to old members and at a buy in price of only $20 you can't move too much in a closed system.

[sisco50]

I am going to play devil's advocate here. You are saying this news cast has something to do with CEP?. I really don't see the same thing. Yes they are both religious but the news cast tells of people losing hundreds of thousands of dollars from elderly people. From what I have read CEP was open to anyone and most are young. There is also a cap on the amount you can invest and that you can get back in 2 months so for the most part they are playing with the house's money. They are also closed to new members on their web site so one couldn't join even if they wanted to.

My other observation is that since they are a closed operating and paying company at this time and paying regular from what I can find out, no new people can join wouldn't you be doing just what you say they are doing? Taking the member's money...by shutting them down

Point..If you for some untold reason do manage to get CEP shut down, then wouldn't you be doing the people in CEP more damage than the program itself, just to prove your view? You would be controlling weather or not the newbie's would recoup any of their money and would be doing them as much harm as the company you say is a scam.So where is the justice in that? Is it a self rightisest thing? If as you say it's a ponzi, which from what I have read on different sites doesn't fit the profile, and it's closed to new members why not just let it be and help those already in to recoup some if not all their money? If it falls then you can say I told you so and we know all ponzi's will fall on their own without help.

You have made your warning very clear but to force your views and cause the company to fall by creating a ruckus then you are no better than the people you say are cheating others because you would be doing the same thing, cheating the people in the program out of any money they could otherwise have a chance to recoup. I guess I don't get your reasoning behind your thinking.

Anybody that is in ANY of these programs and has half a brain knows what's going on. The warnings are out there and if they choose to play who are you to tell them they can't.

If CEP is totally legitimate, no amount of ruckus will make a difference. If creating a ruckus does have a negative effect on CEP than it most probably is not legit. If it is not legit, it will fail. With or without Ferret's posting I would think. :)

[Webwatch]

From what I have read in different places this would not be a correct statement. There are no new members since they went private. A ponzi MUST have new members coming in all the time to operate. This doesn't seem to be the case here and checking their web site it seems ALL members new & old are being paid as discribed in the TOS, so they can't be moving to much from new to old members and at a buy in price of only $20 you can't move too much in a closed system.Did going private coincide with the removal of e-gold or has it been this way for a while.

Is it closed to new members only or can current members still invest.

By being paid is that actually cash being removed from CEP or just figures moving around within everyones back office.

If everyone was to cash out at the same time could CEP fulfill its promises of the claimed returns.

Even with a private program there will come a time when new cash is needed to pay off earlier investors, just because CEP has gone private does not remove the inevitable fact that eventually there will not be enough funds coming into the system to sustain it.

[Ferret]

From what I have read in different places this would not be a correct statement. There are no new members since they went private. A ponzi MUST have new members coming in all the time to operate. This doesn't seem to be the case here and checking their web site it seems ALL members new & old are being paid as discribed in the TOS, so they can't be moving to much from new to old members and at a buy in price of only $20 you can't move too much in a closed system.
First off I don't believe that you just "stumbled" into this discussion

You have money in Colon End Parenthesis and are trying to protect it

Colon End Parenthesis just closed its doors very recently after
thousands of new ponzi members signed up
( how many thousands joined? )
A lot of the new and old CEP members have been waiting to "invest"
their money for various reasons. So the money going in has been and
will be ongoing
Some have been saving up money as they are broke *** ponzi victims
and others have been watching to see that others are getting paid
before they take the plunge

Your buy in price of $20 may be true but CEP members are putting
many thousands of dollars in, some say over $10,000
You didn't read this thread or Colon End Parenthesis forum very closely :rolleyes: or you are a CEP apologist

Trevor Reed is a diabolical schemer who is growing the ponzi very
slowly and everytime he needs new money he opens up again
Colon End Parenthesis will be opening again soon for new blood (money)
Ponzis can grow fast or slowly. The faster they grow the faster they
crash
Your old tired arguement that everyone is getting paid is just that, old
and false
YMMSS lasted for a few years as we all know

The bottom line is that Trevor Reed and Colon End Parenthesis can't
keep up paying 60% per month forever from their SECRET investment
sources
One day the bottom will drop out and there will be much wailing and
protest from the faithful just like YMMeSS except that the Faith Fraud
aspect of Colon End Parenthesis is MUCH stronger than YMMSS

If I ever start a ponzi I will target wacky christians, they are easy marks.
Like taking candy from a baby.
All you have to do is to emphasise how you are such a gung ho christian
and every lie you utter will be believed without question

Praise the lord :applause: :applause: :bow: :bow:

PS: I am not saying ALL christians are wacky and gullable, but
there is a large enough pool of them to prey on
Most mainstream christians would have nothing to do with
obvious scammers like Trevor Reed and his ilk
If it sounds too good to be true it probably is
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you

PPS: Welcome to MWs newest member FerretJr
I didn't know that I had procreated and I hope that I
won't be getting sued for Ferret support soon lol :D :p

[Ferret]

Just stumbled into this thread and have been doing the reading. Having read all the posts about CEP being a ponzi and had a few questions which don't seem to be here.I am not taking sides just observations.

A ponzi if I understand it has to be open to take in new members to pay the old members.And the new members are the ones that get the shaft if I am correct.

Have read a lot of threads on CEP from many different forums and all the positive & negative comments. Upon doing some research into this company, the negative have been saying it would fall as far back as Nov 2005 and that no company could pay the percentages it's paying and live.

Quick Stats 2006 Jan
Members: 16
Verified: 10
Invested: $1835
Paid Out: $360
easyrider60
lol Your research is fatally flawed just like all your
arguements
CEP only had 16 members in January 2006 and was only a
baby ponzi then
How could it have failed?


Well here it is May 2007 and from what I can find CEP is still going strong, is closed to new members, so ponzi doesn't fit and are still paying ALL members both new and old every month. I would say that as of right now ( nobody knows what tomorrow will bring) that the yea's are way ahead of the nay's at this point in these discussions. From what I have read here it seems Ferret has an ax to grind with CEP and I for one would like to know the reason for that.The program is running, everyone seems to be making money so what's the beef? Can't find anyone who hasn't made a little or lot of money there.. Just curious
Actually I do know what the future will bring for Colon End Parenthesis
It is just a matter of when and how the CEP ponzi will crash
That is the only unknown here

Yes Everyone is making money NOW but that is how ponzis work
They pay in the beginning until the overwhelming amount of money
gets too big then they collapse
By then it is too late for those involved
CEP WILL be accepting new members soon when they need new money
Trevor "jesus christ" Reed says so himself if you read on the CEP site

easyrider60
How much money do you have in Colon End Parenthesis?

[Ferret]

The CEP Saga continues

http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2662&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15&sid=668d67c0b6713ac9e1c6ea4871e9b678

deadgrassdog
Joined: 20 Mar 2007
Posts: 17
Location: Sunny Californina
Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 12:42 am Post subject:

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Come on guys I am glad everyone is getting paid and I plan on getting paid soon also... I am just saying don't jump in with everything you've got and then wonder what happened later. Ferret has posted who he contacted in the SEC even gives a number of the person he contacted. I know this guy is serious and I really don't want to see this program go down and leave us high and dry!

When I joined YMMSS everyone was singing of getting paid I put in almost $7600 and never made anything back. All I was trying to do is give the heads up. As far as CEP is concerned Trevor has paid everyone and that is great that is what I am banking on but let’s not be like sheep going to slaughter here play safe!

I do pray that CEP can stand up in the heat of the moment because we know what the government has done to other programs and the lower we fly below the radar the better!!
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Layton
Moderator
Joined: 05 Jan 2007
Posts: 471
Location: Houston, Texas
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It does not matter if he says he did any thing, The last program they were all hot about died of itself, and they reported and there never was an investigation, I do wish you would not continually shout the sky is falling, this is getting old, you say you are getting paid, well I have to ask why you are spreading untruths here to get people upset, if you are that worried, just send a personal mail to Trevor and ask for your money back,
If you believe what Trevor has said, then what is the problem, if you don't, then why are you even here, this is really getting to the point of being truly crazy, on the one hand you are in the program, then on the other you dont want people to lose money, are you that afraid that you are, if so why did you put any in any way if you knew you were going to lose it.

Layton

bluestar
Joined: 07 Dec 2006
Posts: 96

Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 7:22 am Post subject:

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deadgrasdog.....what is unfortunate is that you cannot see that you have handled this really poorly,irresponsibly and wrongly.....out of fear and doubt rather than concern,strenght and care


the truth of Cep or any program is our experience of it......

inever post hersay and rumor of that nature...and if you are concerned then send an email to admin... or PM a member or wait until you have made up your own independent mind through months of experience with CEP....that is the bottom line...

" sheep going to slaughter".." the heat of the moment"...."then wonder what happened"...deadgrassdog...........my gosh you must be frightened out of your wits....get some rest and learn how to trust in your experience...you will gain some badly needed stability in that way.....you may even make some money...and if you leave CEP after getting paid...then Good Luck to you......

we will continue on.....

opalman
Joined: 08 Mar 2007
Posts: 76
Location: PA
Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 7:58 am Post subject:

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I know what was said about making this forum private but seeing the garbage on these other sites and how everything that is said here is cut and pasted, some out of context, to give people the wrong impression about CEP, I would still like to see it go private as well. There is way to much bad mouthing there as well as is here as of late. Please reconsider taking this forum private. We seem to be airing any dirty laundry for the world to see. Just my thought and my opinion.

Chris
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CEP = Freedom for all

Executive
Joined: 04 Dec 2006
Posts: 655
Location: California
Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 8:34 am Post subject:

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As a former member of YMMSS myself (who lost little money there), I have no doubt that it failed because it's compensation plan was designed as a CYCLER -- a format that has proven unsustainable.

Let's be glad that C.E.P. has no cycler and never will.
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In some places money can grow on trees.

Find out how: www.myberrytree.com/666

[easyrider60]

Did going private coincide with the removal of e-gold or has it been this way for a while.

No they went private before the egold thing and in fact in their web site it was stated some time ago that they would be doing away with egold anyway this just seemed to make it sooner than later

Is it closed to new members only or can current members still invest.

From what I read, current members can still invest but only up to $30,000, so unlike a ponzi which has no limits on what you can invest and requires new members all the time,they seem to be controlling the growth and planned for future money going out so the system doesn't get overloaded which doesn't sound like any scam or ponzi I have ever seen. In fact it makes good sense

By being paid is that actually cash being removed from CEP or just figures moving around within everyones back office.

Their web site figures show what is coming in from members but not all of what is coming in from other sources and the paid out figure is what is going out the door to members. Those figures show a $4,000,000 cushion which you won't find in a ponzi so according to that they are making money from investments or other sources but not new members as it's closed and there is a cap on what each member can invest. They must have investments somewhere to be paying out. From what I have been reading most that are in CEP are not investing that kind of money. It seems to be geared to the small investor more than the larger ones. Most are only in for a few hundred. They are letting that compound so if they take their seed money out first they are playing with the house's profits and not loseing anything.

If everyone was to cash out at the same time could CEP fulfill its promises of the claimed returns.

It is stated that should something happen they would and could continue to payout until the end of each 360 day run with no new income so no one takes a loss and they have been living up to that statement so far

Even with a private program there will come a time when new cash is needed to pay off earlier investors, just because CEP has gone private does not remove the inevitable fact that eventually there will not be enough funds coming into the system to sustain it.

That would be true to an extent if they required new money to pay old members but if they DO have investments as they say then that wouldn't be true as that would sustain the payouts. To this point that has been the case from what I can see as not only old members are being paid but so are the new ones which in a scam or ponzi are the ones that get the shaft. I don't see that here.

The way it looks right now they are doing what they said they would do. My theory is if it ain't broke don't fix it and don't break it so you can say it was broke as you said it was.

[Ferret]

I have found other threads some time back that take it to Nov 2005 I have to say that they did put a warning in there: A word of warning: If you do not have patience, you are not meant to risk any monies in high yield investment programs. So, please be sure you are qualified before signing up. If people choose to invest what's the big deal as it's their choice and their money to do so. For someone to warn people that they think it's a scam is one thing but some of the post go way beyond that. It seems certain people are trying to take away the free will of others.Sounds like BIG BROTHER in the private sector.

It's their money and the warning is posted so the choice is their's. Can't say they aren't being honest with that.

I do have a question for Ferret...You seem to get a kick of bringing all the post from the CEP website here and making a long post for what reason?? Anyone can go to their website and read all that for themselves but if admin don't mind the severe space, knock yourself out. Whatever trips your trigger.Actually if you were paying attention there were some CEP
forum posts that stated that now there was ZERO risk involved in CEP
Supposedly this came from the mighty Trevor Reed
That post is copy and pasted here, you find it

Ponzi and pyramid schemes are illegal in the US and that is where all the
scammers live and most of the members are too
Just because they incoporate in Belize that will not save them
from the SEC, FTC, IRS etc

Yes, anyone can go read the Colon End Parenthesis forum now
but there is a lot of talk about making it private and closed

Also the SEC and other Government agents can read some
choice stuff in this thread with having to dig in the CEP forum

Don't worry about the space I am using on MW silly boy :D
Some of the threads I have been in go for 20+ pages and
the spiders need to be fed on a regular basis
Its just a few kilobytes.......

You protestations are lame and "honest" is so far from the truth lol :p

PS: easyrider60 How much money do you have "invested" in Colon End Parenthesis?
Why are you SO concerned about what I say about this ponzi scam?

[Webwatch]

Hi easyrider thanks for your answers to my questions.

The biggest question of all seems to be echoed in your post, as to what are these investmenets CEP are making and could Trevor inform the members base as well as us sceptics what these are.

As for a $30,000 cap thats such a massive figure intended to impress the membership that there might as well not be a cap at all, surely no ones going to take a punt in this for more than a few hundred dollars and if someone was crazy enough to wish to invest more than $30,000 I doubt Trevor would turn it down.

I'ts quite obvious that this isn't your run of the mill HYIP scheme and Trevor has chosen to take the long view on things and go for the slow build approach, what this means is that more will suffer in the long run, the emphasis on patience and trust coupled with the usual religious stuff means your average member will invest a bit to start with and then slowly see a small return before chancing a bit more and so on untill they have built up quite a substancial amount of debt and got so caught up in the hype that when it all comes crashing down it will devestate them.

The baiting and trust building tactic by CEP is quite commonplace in all scams of this nature and I wouldn't be surpried if a sudden surge in membership occured during the collapse of YMMSS with members thinking they are getting into this early enough and won't make the same mistake they made before.

[Ferret]

The way it looks right now they are doing what they said they would do. My theory is if it ain't broke don't fix it and don't break it so you can say it was broke as you said it was.
http://www.matrixwatch.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2969

Take a look at the link above and look at the 227 people that lost
money in YMMSS
The vast majority are way below $30,000 yet it adds up to nearly $2
million and that is from a fraction that had losses

Trevor "Messiah" Reed wishes he could get $30,000 from most people
and if you are paying attention you would know that many CEP members
are putting thousands in just like those that lost in YMMSS

AS for the rest of your answers they all rely on what Trevor "honest" Reed
is saying
Who would believe Trevor as there is NO disclosure. CEP operates out of
a black box like YMMSS did
Thats right I forgot, Trevor Reed is a man of God and would never tell a lie

You may even be Trevor Reed or one of the main CEP scammers
You certainly talk like it.......and you probably have money in CEP
They must have investments somewhere to be paying lol lol lol lol lol
Is that the best you can come up with? :D

Show us some REAL proof.......so far you got zip
What and where are the investments?
CEP admits to starting as a HYIP and all HYIPs are scams
What does that tell you
They promote themselves on HYIP Scam websites

[Ferret]

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.colonendparenthesis.com
Colon End Parenthesis
Quick Stats
Members: 16
Verified: 10
Invested: $1835
Paid Out: $360
Colon End Parenthesis
Quick Stats
Members: 88
Verified: 69
Invested: $2945
Paid Out: $468
Level 1: $1425
Colon End Parenthesis

]Members: 90
Verified: 71
Invested: $3143
Paid Out: $606
Level 1: $1428
Colon End Parenthesis
Members: 117
Verified: 93
Invested: $7213.5
Paid Out: $1548.5
Levels 1,2: $3566
Colon End Parenthesis
Members: 123
Verified: 100
Invested: $7947
Paid Out: $1666.5
Levels 1,2: $4239
Colon End Parenthesis
Members: 164
Verified: 151
Invested: $11441.4
Paid Out: $2727.9
Levels 1,2: $7343.4
Colon End Parenthesis
Members: 522
Verified: 439
Invested: $29262.83
Paid Out: $15851.16
Levels 1,2: $25089.83
Colon End Parenthesis
Members: 570
Verified: 542
Invested: $40131.41
Paid Out: $25256.22
Levels 1,2: $35958.41
Colon End Parenthesis
Members: 580
Verified: 548
Invested: $43486.14
Paid Out: $28350.57
Levels 1,2: $39313.14
Colon End Parenthesis
Members: 651
Verified: 629
Invested: $70,230.09
Paid Out: $49,509.58
Levels 1,2: $66,057.09
Colon End Parenthesis

Members: 13,936
Verified: 10,959
Purchased: $12,606,298.81
Paid Out: $9,438,183.36
Levels 1,2: $12,598,891.80
Colon End Parenthesis
Members: 16,713
Verified: 13,135
Purchased: $17,997,347.78
Paid Out: $14,136,504.30
Levels 1,2: $17,989,940.77

http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/cepholdings.php

Registered in Belize CEP Holdings Inc Nov 27 2006

[easyrider60]

Actually PS: easyrider60 How much money do you have "invested" in Colon End Parenthesis?
Why are you SO concerned about what I say about this ponzi scam?


I don't have a dime in it( but would think about it if they were open from what i have seen) and I really don't give a s*** what you say. I just don't see any basis of fact one way or the other to support anyone's claim.

I am just am outsider who was looking around and see it getting blasted by you and others for no apparent reason. They have lived up to their end so why are you screaming ponzi scam?? It sure isn't like any ponzi I have ever seen. Most die or can't pay after what 5-6 months tops. This one has been around what 19+ months and everone seems to be getting paid..So what's your beef?? It's not like people are joining everyday to keep it afloat... they can't even if they wanted to.

Out of all the ponzi scams out there that could stand to be attacked, where thousands of people are loosing their shirts, you are picking on this one that is working and everyone is happy.....Why???

Legal,illegal that is all up for interpetation as to who you ask as is any law written, there is no black or white.There is however a lot of gray. Depends on which side you are on..plantiff or defendent or even judge.They are all debating the same law. All have their own idea of what the written law means. That's why you have the surpreme count with all their judges and they have to have a majority to rule. If they still can't decide it's kicked back to the original judge. All open to interpetation.

I just don't think you have any proof one way or the other to make such a judgement, only what YOU preceive to be the truth in your eyes. So have a ball but if you can't back it up with some hard evidence then give it a break. You have posted your warnings now let the people make up their own minds without you trying to shove it down their throats. Did you make yourself the defender of free will??? You sound like the guy on the corner holding a sign saying " The world is coming to an end today" He may be right but the odds are against him. I suppose Vegas and the lottery are ponzi's too? Yea the lottery shows you the odds but the blackjack dealer and craps tables don't do they and people lose their shirts, houses cars and everything they own everyday there and it's considered legal..but it's still the person's choice to do so. Same here..

You are trying to make that decision for them... you seem to like bold red

[easyrider60]

Hi easyrider thanks for your answers to my questions.

The biggest question of all seems to be echoed in your post, as to what are these investmenets CEP are making and could Trevor inform the members base as well as us sceptics what these are.

As for a $30,000 cap thats such a massive figure intended to impress the membership that there might as well not be a cap at all, surely no ones going to take a punt in this for more than a few hundred dollars and if someone was crazy enough to wish to invest more than $30,000 I doubt Trevor would turn it down.

I'ts quite obvious that this isn't your run of the mill HYIP scheme and Trevor has chosen to take the long view on things and go for the slow build approach, what this means is that more will suffer in the long run, the emphasis on patience and trust coupled with the usual religious stuff means your average member will invest a bit to start with and then slowly see a small return before chancing a bit more and so on untill they have built up quite a substancial amount of debt and got so caught up in the hype that when it all comes crashing down it will devestate them.

The baiting and trust building tactic by CEP is quite commonplace in all scams of this nature and I wouldn't be surpried if a sudden surge in membership occured during the collapse of YMMSS with members thinking they are getting into this early enough and won't make the same mistake they made before.

Hi Webwatch,

Refreshing break to have a discussion with someone who has an open mind and some intelligence instead of some who like rante and rave forcing their views, right or wrong.

The investments seem to be there otherwise it would have gone under after the closing 6 months or so ago I think.What they are who knows but it must be somewhere to continue to pay all this time.

Nope..$30,000 is the cap. I know a few people who are in it and that's what they say. One wanted to go more but couldn't so yes Trevor did turn it down.. They too started small and let it roll and they have been doing good with it. As I said most go in with a few hundred and let it compound which over time builds up. They can withdraw at anytime at the end of each 30 day cycle. It seems to cater to the small investor more so than the people with bucks to spare.

I am all for free will when it comes to making the decision to invest more, but like I said if you go in small and let it run you can max out at 30K so no need to invest more. From what I have read and seen I don't think I would have a problem going in with a couple hundred myself, if I could, and see what happens. We all have been burned in these at one time or another and all are cautious but this one is doing what they said they would do and that is pay not only new but old members. The ones that go into get rich quick things with all they have are the ones who can't manage their money very well to start with and are eyeballs deep in debt hoping to get their self out of the hole they dug theirself into.

Seems that everyone is comparing all the fallen ones with one that seems so different from the others. Don't know maybe just me but I see this one different. I have seen a lot of scams and ponzi's but this one just doesn't fit the profile very well.

[easyrider60]

http://www.matrixwatch.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2969

Take a look at the link above and look at the 227 people that lost
money in YMMSS
The vast majority are way below $30,000 yet it adds up to nearly $2
million and that is from a fraction that had losses

You must have really taken a beating in YMMSS huh. you keep compairing it to everything. Sorry for your loss..I wasn't that stupid.

Trevor "Messiah" Reed wishes he could get $30,000 from most people
and if you are paying attention you would know that many CEP members
are putting thousands in just like those that lost in YMMSS

There we go with the YMMSS thing again, gettin kinda old

AS for the rest of your answers they all rely on what Trevor "honest" Reed
is saying
Who would believe Trevor as there is NO disclosure. CEP operates out of
a black box like YMMSS did

There we go again with YMMSS

You may even be Trevor Reed or one of the main CEP scammers
You certainly talk like it.

lol lol lol

Show us some REAL proof.......so far you got zip

Gee sounds like a kid so I will answer like you...show me your's and I will show you mine

CEP admits to starting as a HYIP and all HYIPs are scams
What does that tell you

It tells me you don't deal in some HYIP in the stock market so according to you they are all scams too..aww gee

I do hope you recover soon from your apparent head injury:head:

[Ferret]

I have followed the YMMSS ponzi scam since September 2005 and
have been fairly active on MW in criticising it and helping to end it

I was never involved with YMMSS or any other scam and have not
lost any money ever on scams
Aside from the Mods on MatrixWatch I am in a very small minority
Hell, I might even be the only one here in this catergory lol

Most of the supporters of Colon End Parenthesis in this thread
were also losers in YMMSS including Layton a CEP moderator

YMMSS was a Faith Fraud scam like CEP is and the comparisons
are uncanny. They both were registered in Belize.
Both relied on the fact that the founders were good christians
and therefore could be trusted
I could go on.........

Colon End Parenthesis caught my attention and I started this
thread because I noticed that many "victims" from YMMSS were
getting involved in it

You say that Colon End Parenthesis is nothing like other ponzis
that die or can't pay after what 5-6 months tops.
Well YMMSS was still paying at 2 years before it collapsed and the
number of members and money was a lot higher than CEP today

You really can't talk about CEP without bringing YMMSS up and if
you don't know anything about YMMSS then it is hard to discuss it
with you
Your level of ignorance shows that you haven't even read this thread

AS for the proof, it is hard to prove a negative and I say that CEP
has no real investments and is paying old members with new money
CEP and its supporters are the ones that needs to produce some proof.......not I

The stock market may be risky but it is not HYIP. There is a big difference

[Ferret]

You sound like the guy on the corner holding a sign saying " The world is coming to an end today" He may be right but the odds are against him. I suppose Vegas and the lottery are ponzi's too? Yea the lottery shows you the odds but the blackjack dealer and craps tables don't do they and people lose their shirts, houses cars and everything they own everyday there and it's considered legal..but it's still the person's choice to do so. Same here..
Who said that Vegas and lotterys are Ponzis?
That is a typical PONZI PLAYER red herring that is always bought up
Next you will be saying that Companies and Social Security
are ponzis too.
Please, we have heard those tired lines too many times
You are showing your ignorance again. Of course they aren't.
I won't compare apples to oranges and just because I attack CEP
doesn't mean any of the above.
Your arguements are specious and invalid

As for being the guy with the sign, OK, but I am not just going to
stay on the corner ranting, its only been a few weeks.
Already the SEC has been contacted and a plan will be put together
to do more to close Colon End Parenthesis down and have Trevor Reed
and cohorts spend some time in Club Fed for his misdeeds

The guys at the SEC shut down 12dailypro and it was still paying
Lets see if the same happens to Colon End Parenthesis

[easyrider60]

I was never involved with YMMSS or any other scam and have not
lost any money ever on scams
Aside from the Mods on MatrixWatch I am in a very small minority
Hell, I might even be the only one here in this catergory lol

So because you're a good ole boy:applause: and never been involved then what makes you an expert?? Me thinks there is more than one is telling

Most of the supporters of Colon End Parenthesis in this thread
were also losers in YMMSS including Layton a CEP moderator

YMMSS was a Faith Fraud scam like CEP is and the comparisons
are uncanny. They both were registered in Belize.
Both relied on the fact that the founders were good christians
and therefore could be trusted
I could go on.........

Again you are presuming that CEP is like YMMSS, YMMSS did fall yes but until any business fails you can't presume anything. How many corps in the US have gone under in the past 2 years or have been bought out to keep them from going under?? Again you are presuming they are the same.


You say that Colon End Parenthesis is nothing like other ponzis
that die or can't pay after what 5-6 months tops.
Well YMMSS was still paying at 2 years before it collapsed and the
number of members and money was a lot higher than CEP today

Again a presumption. If you predict any business will go under at some point you would be right. Odds are in your favor. Maybe not today, tomorrow, next week or the next decade but the odds are you would be right at some point, Mack truck,Big 3 US auto manufactures are just a couple

Your level of ignorance shows that you haven't even read this thread

Oh I have read the thread, just haven't found anything that amounted to much.

AS for the proof, it is hard to prove a negative and I say that CEP
has no real investments and is paying old members with new money
CEP and its supporters are the ones that needs to produce some proof.......not I

But you're the one doing the preaching not I so back up your statements

The stock market may be risky but it is not HYIP. There is a big difference

There are many high yeld stocks out there and the risk is just as great as CEP and the loss can be much greater. As I said you don't do much in the stock market do you.

When you have something worth listening to except the same old, I say it's a scam song, and have something to back it up it still remains a he said/she said scenario. Until it goes down on it's own there is no proof either way is there..Oh by the way..the teacher gave you an A in cut and paste 101 class

Have a great day:bow:

[easyrider60]

The guys at the SEC shut down 12dailypro and it was still paying
Lets see if the same happens to Colon End Parenthesis

And I am sure that all those poor grandma's and elderly that loose their savings will be real happy you shut them down. They will sleep much better knowing that you were their saviour.:bow: :bow: :bow:

sleep tight

[Ferret]

Your arguments are very weak but you are doing wonders for
this thread so keep it up........:)

Google Spider Viewing Thread Colon End Parenthesis : CEP : Religious based scam
Too funny if I get the #1 spot on Google

PS: Whats with the easyrider nick? :) Great movie and the soundtrack is classic
Where you born in 1960 or are you 60? :p

[littleroundman]

And I am sure that all those poor grandma's and elderly that loose their savings will be real happy you shut them down. They will sleep much better knowing that you were their saviour.:bow: :bow: :bow:

sleep tight

Could you clarify that statement for me a little bit please??

Are you actually saying:

1) If the victims are young and healthy, then it's OK to shut it down??

2) It should be allowed to stay open so the old folk have a fair chance to lose even more ??

3) The scammers' ability to target the old and infirm should work in their favor, by not shutting them down when they're caught out ??

4) The savings of the old grandmas are worth more than the savings of anyone else ???

5) Not shutting the scam down immediately will work in anyones' favor in the long run ??

Sorry to be so inquisitive, it's just that sometimes "fuzzy logic" is just a bit too fuzzy

[surfer]

I don't have a dime in it( but would think about it if they were open from what i have seen) and I really don't give a s*** what you say. I just don't see any basis of fact one way or the other to support anyone's claim.

I am just am outsider who was looking around and see it getting blasted by you and others for no apparent reason.
So easyrider60, are you claiming that you
are not involved with CEP but are spending
time here debating its legality?

Aside from the inevitable collapse that will
occur in the future when they can't generate
enough new funds, CEP is operating as an illegal
investment by accepting members from any country
that requires investment opportunities to register.

CEP Trust is also operating illegally as an unregistered
money transmitter. You can ask egold how that
eventually turns out. ;)

[Ferret]

Another self deluded serial ponzi scam victim lines up at the Trevor "666" Reed koolaid vat and prepares to take a swig.........

http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2704&sid=891500a8603eca6a241d9fb7d12fafba

zappycat
Joined: 24 Apr 2007
Posts: 2

Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 7:58 am Post subject: May 4 Newscast

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Is there anyplace where a transcript of the May 4 newscast will be posted? I tried to watch it, but half way through it goes back to the beginning and starts over.. I'm sure this is due to my tired old computer!

Or maybe someone can just recap it briefly for me? This (CEP) is all new to me, and I'm excited to get started in this new venture after having lost lot$$ in the past three years starting out with YMMSS, 12DP...and several more in between and up to 12 by 12. I'm hoping this time, just maybe.... I hope and pray.... that I am finally in the RIGHT PLACE at ther RIGHT TIME!!

Thanks for your help!

[Ferret]

Arzel, Surfer
Anyone want to run some projections on Colon End Parenthesis?
The dollar and member numbers are above in my post # 111

April 20, 2007
Members: 13,936
Verified: 10,959
Purchased: $12,606,298.81
Paid Out: $9,438,183.36
Levels 1,2: $12,598,891.80

May 05 2007
Members: 16,713 Increased 2,777
Verified: 13,144
Purchased: $18,311,408.26
Paid Out: $14,431,506.22
Levels 1,2: $18,304,001.25 Increased $5,705,110


Colon End Parenthesis Scam (http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2710&sid=f7401239147a5f0c1ca12312200d7bf8)

stellar
Joined: 14 Apr 2007
Posts: 1

Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 1:20 pm Post subject: How does the system work - exactly?

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I am confused about the system. How does it work? There is 2% compounding per day. But it doesn't show until 30 days - right?

What happens when you have made $30,000 in your account? Do you have to withdraw? Can there only be $30,000 in your account max and then you have to withdraw or reinvest it all? I am soooo confused. Is there a max. level for the each level? Can you reinvest each month in a separate account?

I had assumed that one could invest an amount and that it would compound daily at 2% for 365 days.

Please help me figure this out. Thank you.

sweetie
Joined: 01 Jan 2007
Posts: 230
Location: Tropical Far North Queensland, Australia
Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 2:36 pm Post subject: Re: How does the system work - exactly?

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To address your questions:

You earn a flat 2% - not compounding - per day. (Note: Level 1 runs for 360 days, not 365.)

You can compound your account balance each 30 day cycle.

Yes, your account balance shows only after 30 days.

See here: http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=14259

You can have max. of $30000 in Level 1 and the same in Level 2. Total $60K.

Yes, you need to withdraw any amount over $30000 to go to another Level or any amount over $60000 if both levels are maxed out.

More info on how to handle that here:
http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1899

If by "separate account" you mean another Level, Yes, you can reinvest until you are maxed out.
Best option is to max out Level 1 then invest in Level 2.
And thank you too Layton!!!

2,666 page views on this Colon End Parenthesis thread lol Is it a sign from dog? :p

[Ferret]

Those Christians are just so dang honest LOL

TheArcher
Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 55
Location: Newcastle, Australia
Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 11:26 pm Post subject: debit cards

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Do you have some kind of time estimate for when debit cards will be available? Even a rough estimate will be of assistance to plan ahead. For international members like myself debit cards would be the ideal withdrawal method as USD cheques take at least 30 days to clear on top of the time taken for mail delivery.

Sorry if this has been answered before, I only just realised that I can download the previous newscasts and am doing that right now

snooker
Joined: 02 Mar 2007
Posts: 80
Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 4:17 pm Post subject:

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Here's an idea for International members of CEP:

Open a Wells Fargo Bank Online Account. And choose the option to view your statements online - that is you choose to receive no paper statements. Then order the VISA Debit card access to your account. The debit card is used worldwide!

Here's the link: http://www.Wellsfargo.com/

Cheers! Don't Ignore This. It Works!!

woodstock
Joined: 23 Feb 2007
Posts: 15
Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 5:26 pm Post subject:

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If this idea works it'd be great, but I checked it out a little and see that when opening a new account, it's required to select the state you reside in. Obviously, being non-US, my country is not listed there, so I'm wondering what would happen when they find out that you lied there.




C. NO ILLEGAL USE OF THE SERVICE.

You agree not to use the Service to conduct any business or activity or solicit the performance of any activity which is prohibited by law or any contractual provision by which you are bound. You agree to comply with all applicable laws, rules and regulations in connection with the Service. You certify that you are at least 13 years of age or older.

D. INTERNATIONAL USE.

Wells Fargo does not make any representation that any content or use of the Service or Online Financial Services is appropriate or available for use in locations outside of the continental United States, Alaska or Hawaii, and accessing the Service or Online Financial Services from territories where its content or use is illegal or prohibited by Wells Fargo.

[Ferret]

Interview with Trevor E Reed (https://www.ceptrust.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=376&sid=64f282c2753452fbdc6e7932aae697d9)

The conversation below is an interview between NetZen and Trevor. It can also be found here http://www.thezensden.com/blog/?p=145

There has been a lot of controversy in the AutoSurf arena as of late regarding payment processors to say the least. I decided to get ahold of one of the owners of CEPTrust to address questions I have (as do plenty of others!) pertaining to their operations, legal compliance, etc. I hope this helps to shed some light on the current drama, accusations and rumors. This is rather lengthy, however given the importance of this subject I did NO editing. These were the answers as presented to me.

What is your name and where are you from?

Trevor Reed, initially from Shamokin, Pennsylvania and now residing in Wake Forest, North Carolina studying at Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary (studying to be a pastor in the next few years…at that point, we should have enough employees to run things smoothly, and I can lead a church and serve God in that way while others take care of all the business stuff and continue to serve and help people around the globe for years to come. ).

Can you give a brief background of yourself prior to starting your first site?

I lost a great deal of money, actually, in the first few autosurfs I was in. I was frustrated and about to give up when I finally started to "get it". As I was driving around visiting my family in Pennsylvania, the Lord laid it on my heart to start a company that would help keep others from being burned the way I had been burned. After doing a great deal of number crunching, something I had become quite good at, CEP was born on November 4th, 2005, and it has been going strong since.

What was your first site and when did it launch?

lol Oops…got ahead of myself…see above.

How many internet sites are you involved with now?

Our earnings programs: CEP, CEP Coast, and Coastin88 (more to come in the future). CEP Gives Back (our charity program), and CEP Trust, an international payment processor. Guess that makes 5 currently…the 6th is on the way soon.

I have read you have a partner, are you 50/50? where are you incorporated?

Yes, Clayton Kimbrell and I are 50/50. All of our earnings sites are incorporated in Belize under CEP Holdings, INC. CEP Trust is registered in Kentucky, and all of CEP Trust’s banking is done there.

Ok, I want to concentrate on your payment processor CEPTrust now. When was that launched?

It was registered in February of 2006, but was actually launched in July of that same year. It took us a great deal of time to get ACH functionality and some of the other features we currently have, but we have built up a very good rapport with both National City and Chase Bank over the last several months and have been able to get more features and benefits as we grow.

Why did you decide on an in-house processor?

Probably between December of 2005 and January of 2006. (I’ll quote from above, as I got ahead of myself again ). Honestly, even before Stormpay pulled their fiasco, we had decided we would make our own payment processor mainly for three reasons. We were very dissatisfied with the customer support or lack thereof from the processors of the day, we didn’t at all care for the high fees–as we knew things could be done much more cheaply and still make a substantial profit–and we wanted things to be more user-friendly for members. Frankly, those were the 3 goals we had upon going into the planning phases, and I would say we accomplished them. We are the most affordable payment processor on the market, our customer support gets back to people within 2 business days with full answers, and we are often praised for having an easy-to-use system (though some have missed big red letters and have not correctly made e-gold fundings, etc…lol Hopefully, when we can get our own debit cards, e-gold will be a thing of the past. )

What bank backs your processor?

National City Corporation and Chase Bank.

Where are the servers located for the processor? And what security measures are in place to make sure your payment processor is not hacked?

The servers are in Kentucky in a hosting company called BGMU. Everything there is securely locked away. All who have access have to get background checks to enter the building, and then they have to have a key to the re-inforced cage the servers are kept in. Only Clayton has that key.

As for security, CEP Trust itself is virtually un-hackable. The code is entirely unique, so no one other than Clayton has ever seen it. It is server-side, so it cannot be viewed by any other eyes remotely. And Clayton has invented a new type of security just for CEP Trust. He has to register this security with the government, as it has not been used ever before. Thus, not only is all of the programming secure, but potential hackers cannot ever see the code because everything is server-side. So, if there were a loophole, it would be nearly impossible to find without being able to see the code.

As for people having their personal account secure, much of that depends, like other processors, on how safe they are with their passwords and the condition of their personal computers. If a person has their e-mail addressed hacked, then it is possible for that hacker to login to their CEP Trust account as the user and submit transactions. Sadly, some people have lost money in this way, as the hackers withdraw it to e-gold and many members have not caught it in time to be corrected. Recently, both admins and members of our programs put together a program we are calling CEP Reaches Out. Funds donated here are built up and then donated to people who lose money due to their accounts being compromised in this fashion. Certainly, when we have our own debit cards, e-gold will not be essential for our international members anymore. As of now, we keep it mainly so that our international members have access to the money they are making through the other programs. Once they have access to debit cards, we will put a time limit as to how much longer CEP Trust will accept e-gold. Disbanning e-gold from our system will essentially decrease the possibility of even keyloggers hurting the members in this way ten-fold. Hackers would not be unintelligent enough to attempt to ACH or wire out to another bank account, as this is a Federal offense and the FBI would then be on their trail, and checks can be stopped before they get to a hacker. Thus, removing e-gold should pretty much stop up any reason for hackers to attempt to get in, as they will not be able to retrieve any money in such a fashion.

How is the personal information gathered stored? What security measures are in place?

This was sort of alluded to above. Everything is server-side, and Clayton has built his own type of security system as well as his own masking system for everything that is entered electronically. As for verification information, all of that is filed physically and secured in a hard drive that is not connected to the internet. This way, all personal information that is received by us is completely safe and secure.

As you know there has been a LOT of drama and speculation about another group of sites with its own money changer.
Will you please explain to my readers the money transmitter licensing law(s) and how you do, or do not comply.

Sure. Frankly, there are A LOT of legal requirements before one is eligible or required to have a money transmitter license. First, it is important to note that when one is eligible for one, one is required. There is no range in between there. They are two in the same. There are several requirements one must meet. First, one has to have a substantial surety bond (this, by the way, we are working toward securing in the next few weeks). Second, before applying, there must be a substantial amount of untouched funds. If one has a license and their account falls below this limit, they will lose their license and can go to jail. Needless to say, the laws are very clear that one must have consistently a certain set amount aside in the bank account at all times before one is eligible or required to have a money transmitter license. If one applies before one is eligible, then they will be denied. If one is denied this license, then one has to wait a certain amount of time before applying again. If, during that time, one becomes eligible, then there is a great possibility of being shut down. This happened to a payment processor in Texas about a year ago. They had applied for the license before they were eligible (they didn’t do all of their research ahead of time). Sadly, a week after they received their denial letter, they were eligible. When one is denied this license, one falls under higher scrutiny. This company was then audited and shut-down because they did not have the license…all because they applied before they were eligible and were denied the license. This is why we are very careful to apply when we are eligible. We are looking to have everything in place so that, when we are eligible (and, yes, that will be soon), we can simply apply and receive the license with no problem.

Let me preface this question with a bit of history that some may or may not know. Given intgold, which WAS registered initially, went belly up… why won’t yours? The picpay processor was an exercise in delaying payouts - why is yours different? I am sure you understand surfer’s concerns that an in-house processor becomes "monopoly money". Is it not possile that by using your own pay processor you can continue to make payments - but in fact those payments are worth nothing because they are backed by nothing? Numbers on screen does not equal money in the bank? LOL, I know that was a bit of a ramble, I will give you the floor and ask you to address the above concerns.

lol Yes, I can understand what you are saying, and I certainly understand these concerns. First, INTGold was dependent on the gold standard, I believe, and they had no reserve requirement of themselves. As for payouts, you can ask the members who withdraw to the CEP Trust account and then request a payment. It happens in a timely fashion, and they can physically use the money however they like, as it is in-hand very quickly. Certainly, there is no delay in payouts, regardless of how big or small.

Can an in-house processor use fake money? Yes, it can. However, most of those in-house processors do not have the kinds of plans we have, nor do they require in their terms of service, as we do, that every dollar in the system is backed, dollar for dollar, in a US FDIC insured bank account (section 17 of our terms). Frankly, even paypal does not require this of themselves, and they run smoothly. We do require it of ourselves because we strive to be good stewards of all the funds brought into our program. Frankly, even though we have had tremendous growth in our CEP Holding, INC companies, we believe that CEP Trust will be the largest company we have. It will offer affordable rates to people worldwide and be a means of transferring money between family, friends…buy things on the internet, offline, whatever. Frankly, I often will send my family or friends CEP Trust money (or vice versa) when we are sending money to each other. It’s secure and easy to transfer it to one another. We have recently been marketing CEP Trust a bit to high school seniors going to college and their families. It would be a very convenient way to send money to their children or back to mom and dad with a few clicks of a button. So, to fully answer the question, could we abuse our own system and use "play" money…yes, we could. BUT…it would not be possible to do such a thing and keep CEP Trust running smoothly permanently for all the uses it will have. We anticipate it competing with paypal in the next few years, and we will do our best to keep everything strong so that we can become the payment processor of choice worldwide. We would eventually love to make CEP Trust an international banking institution that would provide the same benefits just mentioned: ease of use, affordable fees, strong customer support, and a solid financial backing. These are our goals for CEP Trust, and there is no way to work with fake money and still make those goals work, as you can understand.

I understand being leery of sites with their own payment processors, for sure. Perhaps understanding why we created our own will help.

Ok, let me know if I can answer anything more fully, ok? I think I just gave you about 10 books worth. lol Hope it wasn’t too much…I like to give complete answers…though sometimes that makes things a bit lengthy. Let me know if I can help in any other way, ok? Thank you for getting the correct word out there…it is appreciated on our end, as well.

NetZen, I appreciate the way you handled these questions. It is very professional and polite, and does mean a lot to us. Thanks.

Trevor

[Ferret]

Looks like I have found a new buddy at http://www.talkgold.com lol :D :p

Ponzi Nemesis
http://www.talkgold.com/forum/member.php?u=19197

Join Date: 10-21-2005
Total Posts: 2,845 (5.07 posts per day)

Signature
Read what happens when
a Ponzi collapses *HERE*
http://www.tlennonfor12dailypro.com/media/12DP_FirstInterimReport.pdf

Going to be some interesting reading
http://www.talkgold.com/forum/search.php?searchid=1729569

Dear Dr. Hansborough,

I understand that Bowling Green Municipal Utilities is hosting a number of websites collectively known as the CEP family of programs. Namely they are as follows:

http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/
http://www.ceptrust.com/
http://www.cepcoast.com/
http://www.coastin88.com/

I would recommend that you spend some time familiarising yourself with the nature of the business being undertaken from these websites, and then urgently review whether you feel it appropriate for BGMU to continue to host them.

I am sure you will want to draw your own conclusions by investigating the sites yourself. You may find it useful, however, to compare the websites above to that described in the following U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission Litigation Release from last year:

http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/lr19579.htm

I think you will agree that, if as is likely, similar action is taken by the SEC in this case, there is great risk of negative, and generally undesirable, publicity for Bowling Green Municipal Utilities resulting. I suggest you take action with some urgency to avoid this, as there are signs that the underlying Ponzi business model is starting to collapse, which is likely to bring matters to a head very shortly.

Yours sincerely,
Ponzi Nemesis (Mr.)

[Ferret]

I don't have a dime in it( but would think about it if they were open from what i have seen) and I really don't give a s*** what you say. I just don't see any basis of fact one way or the other to support anyone's claim.

I am just am[SIC] outsider who was looking around and see it getting blasted by you and others for no apparent reason. They have lived up to their end so why are you screaming ponzi scam?? It sure isn't like any ponzi I have ever seen. Most die or can't pay after what 5-6 months tops. This one has been around what 19+ months and everone seems to be getting paid..So what's your beef?? It's not like people are joining everyday to keep it afloat... they can't even if they wanted to.

Out of all the ponzi scams out there that could stand to be attacked, where thousands of people are loosing their shirts, you are picking on this one that is working and everyone is happy.....Why???
easyrider60 I see you are a member there too :p

http://www.talkgold.com/forum/member.php?u=84026
Join Date: 04-18-2007
Total Posts: 35 (2.05 posts per day)

http://www.talkgold.com/forum/search.php?searchid=1729676

Made 35 posts all in the ColonEndParenthesis (CEP) - colonendparenthesis.com thread

lol lol lol lol This one is too funny, talk about copy and pasting and
you stole the grandma line from someone else :p
http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1834965#post1834965

The ultimate dream of the adversaries is to bring CEP down. Nice thought - then the dear old grandma who just put all her life's savings into CEP gets nothing - as opposed to the excellent returns she would have gotten on her investment if the people claiming to act in her best interest hadn't spoiled it all for her; and for everyone else. Now there's a funny thought again.

Very well put and I agree 100%..If it ain't broke don't fix it and don't try to break it so you can say it's broke like you said it was..
What you can't even come up with your own lame arguements and you
parrot the same crap lines everywhere?
I think the 60 in your name is your IQ :p

easyrider60
Amateur Investor Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 35

Re: ColonEndParenthesis (CEP) - colonendparenthesis.com

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And the he said/she said debate goes on about CEP. ( I read and chuckle all the way to the bank) Sad accountant believes in nothing and no one but himself. Must be lonely at the top in that ivory tower shifting gears. That's Ok because God still loves him no matter what. CEP pays again..from a March investment . I guess CEP screwed up huh and paid us ponzi newbie suckers!! Gotta go to the bank now You kiddies play nice.

Maybe both but we laugh all the way to the bank..
Have a great life..I am, thanks to CEP dispite all of your endless posts...

So easyrider60 are you lying here or on talkgold?

You said you didn't have a dime in CEP and was an outsider?
You really are a pathetic liar and not too smart.......IQ 60 :rolleyes:
You are so stupid you used the same name but what else could
I expect from someone who puts their money into a ponzi scam

I had you nailed from the minute you "stumbled" into MW :p

I joined up at TalkGold and made my first post
http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1839664#post1839664

[littleroundman]

Looks like I have found a new buddy at http://www.talkgold.com lol :D :p

Ponzi Nemesis
http://www.talkgold.com/forum/member.php?u=19197

Join Date: 10-21-2005
Total Posts: 2,845 (5.07 posts per day)

Signature
Read what happens when
a Ponzi collapses *HERE*
http://www.tlennonfor12dailypro.com/media/12DP_FirstInterimReport.pdf

Going to be some interesting reading
http://www.talkgold.com/forum/search.php?searchid=1729569

And another at http://www.cattyshaq.com:

TO:tcrosby@bgmu.com

CC:abuse@att.net,
CC: enforcement@sec.gov
date Mar 16, 2007 1:35 AM
subject Fraudulent ponzi site being hosted by BGMU
mailed-by gmail.com
Dear Sir/Madam,

I have encountered an illegal site being hosted on your servers.

The site:http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/ (http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/)is an obvious illegal "AUTOSURF" scam site.

See the SEC warning site here: http://www.sec.gov/investor/pubs/autosurf.htm
(http://www.sec.gov/investor/pubs/autosurf.htm)
The site owners claim the impossible to sustain returns on "investment" of 2% DAILY for 360 days PLUS a $5 "referral" commission.

The site claims to already have 9546 accounts and to have received deposits of $7445232.85, indicating only immediate intervention by BGMU can prevent further unwary investors from loss.

The owner is advertising his site in this forum:
http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showthread.php?t=103441

The site returns the following WHOIS reply:

12.180.242.55
www.colonendparenthesis.net
Host unreachable

12.180.242.0 - 12.180.242.255

BOWLING GREEN MUNICIPAL GENERAL
801 CENTER ST
BOWLING GREEN
KY
42102
United States

Crosby, Todd
+1-270-782-4542
tcrosby@bgmu.com

BOWLING-85-242
Created: 2003-10-17
Updated: 2003-10-17
Source: whois.arin.net

I realize you cannot maintain a check on all sites hosted on your network, and I hope I have been able to help in your efforts to remind site owners of your User Agreement, which precludes illegal pyramid sites being hosted on your network. I have also taken the liberty of forwarding a copy of this complaint to the enforcement section of the SEC, to allow them to take any further action required.

Kind regards


XXXXX XXXXXXX

[easyrider60]

And another at http://www.cattyshaq.com:

TO:tcrosby@bgmu.com

CC:abuse@att.net,
CC: enforcement@sec.gov
date Mar 16, 2007 1:35 AM
subject Fraudulent ponzi site being hosted by BGMU
mailed-by gmail.com
Dear Sir/Madam,

I have encountered an illegal site being hosted on your servers.

The site:http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/ (http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/)is an obvious illegal "AUTOSURF" scam site.

See the SEC warning site here: http://www.sec.gov/investor/pubs/autosurf.htm
(http://www.sec.gov/investor/pubs/autosurf.htm)
The site owners claim the impossible to sustain returns on "investment" of 2% DAILY for 360 days PLUS a $5 "referral" commission.

The site claims to already have 9546 accounts and to have received deposits of $7445232.85, indicating only immediate intervention by BGMU can prevent further unwary investors from loss.

The owner is advertising his site in this forum:
http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showthread.php?t=103441

The site returns the following WHOIS reply:

12.180.242.55
www.colonendparenthesis.net
Host unreachable

12.180.242.0 - 12.180.242.255

BOWLING GREEN MUNICIPAL GENERAL
801 CENTER ST
BOWLING GREEN
KY
42102
United States

Crosby, Todd
+1-270-782-4542
tcrosby@bgmu.com

BOWLING-85-242
Created: 2003-10-17
Updated: 2003-10-17
Source: whois.arin.net

I realize you cannot maintain a check on all sites hosted on your network, and I hope I have been able to help in your efforts to remind site owners of your User Agreement, which precludes illegal pyramid sites being hosted on your network. I have also taken the liberty of forwarding a copy of this complaint to the enforcement section of the SEC, to allow them to take any further action required.

Kind regards


XXXXX XXXXXXX


You forgot to cut & paste the reply from BGMU..

I received the following reply from their hosting service:

"Teresa Newman <TNEWMAN@bgmu.com> wrote:

Mr. Nemesis,
BGMU is the ISP for the company referenced. We have requested and
received additional information from CEP. No action will be taken on
this complaint at this time.

Thanks,
Teresa Newman"

[Webwatch]

Thanks easyrider.
It seems the hosting company is content with the information supplied and will take no further action.

In the old Matrix scheme days there where often Hosting companies that would take no action when presented with a complaint, in fact some where better than others. Maybe Teresa isn't familiar with how a HYIP program works or simply has no objection to being associated with one.

Or a real stretch could be that CEP actually provided proof that the program does have some sound investments which will acheive the stated returns.

Or its even possible that the original e-mail complaint was treated as a nonsense because it used a screen name instead of a real name.

There are a few other connertations available but one fact is clear this is a victory for CEP and its program operators.

I would love to see the information they presented though.

Anyway talking of talkgold posts:
http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showthread.php?t=103441&page=99

I have visited the place and only STINKY FERRET and STINKY WATCH is talking on their ownasslol I'll take a name check where ever I can get it.

[Ferret]

easyrider60 Viewing Thread 6 minutes ago Colon End Parenthesis : CEP : Religious based scam

easyrider60
Are you going to answer the question I asked you above in post # 127?

So easyrider60 are you lying here on MW or on talkgold?
Its one or the other as you say here you haven't got a dime in CEP but
on talkgold you say CEP is paying you......

Nothing you say can be believed as you need more suckers to put money
in CEP so you will get paid.
You and Trevor E(vil) Reed are both ponzi pushing liars.
You have already been discredited as a liar
Trevor "Ponzi" Reed will be next.......

Your question to why I copy threads here is answered by the fact that
"I sure hope Trevor Has His Ducks in a row" got deleted today

A Thread I read About I sure hope Trevor Has His Ducks is still there for now
http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2727&sid=4112e1ddca89c41d6206acd75f893644
surfia
Joined: 20 Dec 2006
Posts: 12

Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 11:31 am Post subject: JUST KEEP PRAYING FOR THE PROGRAM AND THE PEOPLE BEHIND

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GOD WILL BLESS US MORE THROUGH THE PROGRAM. KEEP YOUR HEAD UP AND WE'RE LUCKY BECAUSE WE ARE FULL OF HOPE , FAITH WILL GET US THRU.
Even though I get a lot of favorable mentions, this post is still my favorite in that thread
It epitimises the typical mentality of your Trevor Reed worshipping greed blinded scam junkie
I mean who needs to ask any tough questions when God is on your side?

April 20, 2007
Members: 13,936
Verified: 10,959
Purchased: $12,606,298.81
Paid Out: $9,438,183.36
Levels 1,2: $12,598,891.80

May 05 2007
Members: 16,713 Increased 2,777
Verified: 13,144
Purchased: $18,311,408.26
Paid Out: $14,431,506.22
Levels 1,2: $18,304,001.25 Increased $5,705,110

May 07, 2007
Members: 16,713
Verified: 13,156 Increased 12
Purchased: $18,672,448.97
Paid Out: $14,985,046.69
Levels 1,2: $18,665,041.96 Increased $361,040

ChristianEnabledPonzi

[resh]

Since copy & paste is so popular here....................

Quote from CEP newscast #4:
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"Now on a little more serious note, I would like to discuss the recent discontinuation of Egold services here at CEPTrust. As many of you guys are aware, Egold was recently indicted by the federal government on several charges, and this does have the tendency to affect its functionality. What I would like to do is make a few things clear regarding what has happened and what it means to us as the CEP sites. The reason we no longer use them is that the Egold functionality itself could be frozen at any time by the government. Meaning that if CEPTrust still had Egold accounts on the day that Egold was frozen, all the members would be financially hurt by the freeze. Obviously if no member can accesses their egold through their CEPTrust accounts then they would lose money and we just can’t stand by and let that happen.

Um, as for CEPTrust itself, we are also taking a lesson from this observation. I will let you guys know that we take the honesty and integrity of ourselves very seriously. We have always and will always look out for you anytime activity that appears suspicious to us in anyway comes. On the legal side, you guys should all know that we have our ducks in a row. And I’ll tell you guys what, that is just absolutely critical in light of the recent events with what been happening with Egold. So you guys should know that everything that we need to operate legally, we either have right now or are in the process of obtaining as well. So you can be assured that we are doing everything possible to keep CEP Trust strong and safe for everybody."

[Ferret]

Since copy & paste is so popular here....................

Um, as for CEPTrust itself, we are also taking a lesson from this observation. I will let you guys know that we take the honesty and integrity of ourselves very seriously. We have always and will always look out for you anytime activity that appears suspicious to us in anyway comes. On the legal side, you guys should all know that we have our ducks in a row.lol And I’ll tell you guys what, that is just absolutely critical in light of the recent events with what been happening with Egold. So you guys should know that everything that we need to operate legally, we either have right now or are in the process of obtaining as well. So you can be assured that we are doing everything possible to keep CEP Trust strong and safe for everybody."
Hi resh
Welcome to MW
Seeing that you are the man with the answers can you please ask
Trevor E Reed how he is achieving these fantastic returns?

How is he investing your money to be able to give you 2% a day?

We are here to provide you with a safer way to invest online by diversifying your investments in multiple venues for you. These include travel agencies, condominiums, real estate, the trading of goods and currencies, and health products

What are the travel agencies CEP is invested in?

What are the condominiums CEP is invested in?

What are the real estate CEP is invested in?

What are the goods CEP is invested in?

What are the currencies CEP is invested in?

What are the health products CEP is invested in?

We are awaiting your answers...........

Trevor E Reed is very welcome to come here and enlighten us if
you don't have access to the answers for some mysterious reason

God Bless You!!!
and the ducks say "Quack, Quack, Quack"

[resh]

Ask him yourself......not hard to find!

http://apps.sos.ky.gov/business/obdb/(uqj4ymi3ql1gxrufqx2zjnux)/showentity.aspx?id=0632391&ct=06&cs=99999

http://apps.sos.ky.gov/business/obdb/(uqj4ymi3ql1gxrufqx2zjnux)/OBDBDisplayImage.aspx?id=641791

http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/cepholdings.php

[Ferret]

Ask him yourself......not hard to find!

http://apps.sos.ky.gov/business/obdb/(uqj4ymi3ql1gxrufqx2zjnux)/showentity.aspx?id=0632391&ct=06&cs=99999

http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/cepholdings.php

So you are admitting that you don't know the answers to these basic questions?
How much money do you have "invested " in CEP?

Shouldn't you know the answers?

And thanks I may take you up on that offer and report back here
with the answers
But neither of the 2 links seem to give a way to ask Trevor E Reed a question

[resh]

Maybe you didn't understand my reply!
Tell me what part of "ask him yourself" didn't you understand?
I thought it was quit clear.
Get it straight from the man himself and no he said/she said as
I have noticed is popular with your posts.

[Ferret]

Maybe you didn't understand my reply!
Tell me what part of "ask him yourself" didn't you understand?
I thought it was quit clear.
Get it straight from the man himself and no he said/she said as
I have noticed is popular with your posts.

The only thing that is quite clear is that you or anyone involved
in CEP does NOT know the answers to these very basic questions

Didn't you do your due dilligence or are you just relying on "faith"?

How can I ask Trevor Reed anything?
Do you have his phone #?
Or email address?

How should I contact Trevor E Reed?

[resh]

But neither of the 2 links seem to give a way to ask Trevor E Reed a question

Well in case you didn't notice:

Trevor Reed is:
#128
760 CAMPBELL LANE
SUITE 106
BOWLING GREEN, KY 42104

And his partner is:
CLAYTON A. KIMBRELL
2001 ROCKCREEK DR.
APT. 17-A
BOWLING GREEN, KY 42101

Pretty simple huh?

[Ferret]

Well in case you didn't notice:

Trevor Reed is:
#128
760 CAMPBELL LANE
SUITE 106
BOWLING GREEN, KY 42104

And his partner is:
CLAYTON A. KIMBRELL
2001 ROCKCREEK DR.
APT. 17-A
BOWLING GREEN, KY 42101

Pretty simple huh?
I have to write Trevor E Reed a letter?
Seems a little low tech to me for an internet company

Is this the best you can do?

I don't think Trevor E Reed lives in BOWLING GREEN, KY

How much money do you have "invested " in CEP?

What are the travel agencies CEP is invested in?

What are the condominiums CEP is invested in?

What are the real estate CEP is invested in?

What are the goods CEP is invested in?

What are the currencies CEP is invested in?

What are the health products CEP is invested in?

We are awaiting your answers...........

[resh]

I have to write Trevor E Reed a letter?
Seems a little low tech to me for an internet company

Is this the best you can do?

....well since I grew up around the corner and go to the same college and see
them every day I'll ask if you can have their # but it is easy to find on the net.
And as for an internet company I do believe that is what e-mails are for huh?

[Ferret]

....well since I grew up around the corner and go to the same college and see
them every day I'll ask if you can have their # but it is easy to find on the net.
And as for an internet company I do believe that is what e-mails are for huh?Thanks
I would like to interview Trevor
Get me his phone # and I will call him

I don't have his email address

So do YOU know

What are the travel agencies CEP is invested in?

What are the condominiums CEP is invested in?

What are the real estate CEP is invested in?

What are the goods CEP is invested in?

What are the currencies CEP is invested in?

What are the health products CEP is invested in?

[resh]

I have to write Trevor E Reed a letter?
Seems a little low tech to me for an internet company

Is this the best you can do?

I don't think Trevor E Reed lives in BOWLING GREEN, KY

How much money do you have "invested " in CEP?

What are the travel agencies CEP is invested in?

What are the condominiums CEP is invested in?

What are the real estate CEP is invested in?

What are the goods CEP is invested in?

What are the currencies CEP is invested in?

What are the health products CEP is invested in?

We are awaiting your answers...........

You really don't seen to know much do you?
You can find out anything you want to know on the net if you just look,phone #'s,company names etc.
Plus if you were a member of CEP you would know all this already.
By the way the health products are really great. You should get some!
Great for vegans!
Ask Trevor and Clayton if you want the facts. I have them!
It's none of your business how much money I have invested!
Ask the IRS if you are so concerned.......and NO you can't see a copy of my tax return (not bad for a college kid)

[Ferret]

You really don't seen to know much do you?
You can find out anything you want to know on the net if you just look,phone #'s,company names etc.
Plus if you were a member of CEP you would know all this already.
By the way the health products are really great. You should get some!
Great for vegans!
Ask Trevor and Clayton if you want the facts. I have them!
It's none of your business how much money I have invested!
Ask the IRS if you are so concerned.......and NO you can't see a copy of my tax return (not bad for a college kid)
So you know

What are the travel agencies CEP is invested in?

What are the condominiums CEP is invested in?

What are the real estate CEP is invested in?

What are the goods CEP is invested in?

What are the currencies CEP is invested in?

What are the health products CEP is invested in?

Is it a secret?

Why would it be a secret?

Seeing that you know just answer one of the questions

That shouldn't be too difficult

EDIT:
If the health products are so great what are they?
I am a vegetarian, not a vegan and I don't join ponzi scams
especially those that are Christian Cults
That means I eat eggs, dairy, cheese, p u s s y and jesus ponzi freaks

[resh]

So you know

What are the travel agencies CEP is invested in?

What are the condominiums CEP is invested in?

What are the real estate CEP is invested in?

What are the goods CEP is invested in?

What are the currencies CEP is invested in?
What are the health products CEP is invested in?

Is it a secret?

Seeing that you know just answer one of the questions

That shouldn't be too difficult

Since you are so lazy! (or maybe you don't know how to google or search)
I'll do you better than one...the easy ones to find are the E-Bay company that trades on the international markets and two nutritional products companies (Monavie and the 7 year vet Nutronix-the main reason I invested
because I'm a health food nut)!
I don't know why you are so jaded and make things so hard for yourself?
I probably said too much since you aren't a member (I assume) but I sort
of feel sorry for underdogs....sad...oh well...all ways getting in trouble-me!
By the way I'm an atheist but have no problem with christians....love buddists.....everyone needs a crutch,mine is health.

[Ferret]

Since you are so lazy! (or maybe you don't know how to google or search)
I'll do you better than one...the easy ones to find are the E-Bay company that trades on the international markets and two nutritional products companies (Monavie and the 7 year vet Nutronix-the main reason I invested
because I'm a health food nut)!
I don't know why you are so jaded and make things so hard for yourself?
I probably said too much since you aren't a member (I assume) but I sort
of feel sorry for underdogs....sad...oh well...all ways getting in trouble-me!Thanks
Whats a google????? lol lol :D :p
Actually I'm more interested in

What are the travel agencies CEP is invested in?

What are the condominiums CEP is invested in?

What are the real estate CEP is invested in?

What are the goods CEP is invested in?

What are the currencies CEP is invested in?

Or maybe Trevor Reed is just taking the money from the newest "investors " to pay
the old "investors" as in a PONZI?

[resh]

Thanks
Whats a google????? lol lol :D :p
Actually I'm more interested in

What are the travel agencies CEP is invested in?

What are the condominiums CEP is invested in?

What are the real estate CEP is invested in?

What are the goods CEP is invested in?

What are the currencies CEP is invested in?

Or maybe Trevor Reed is just taking the money from the newest "investors " to pay
the old "investors" as in a PONZI?

ROTFLMFAO!
..actually very sad..!
My momma told me there are people in the world like you!

[Ferret]

ROTFLMFAO!
..actually very sad..!
My momma told me there are people in the world like you!
Did your momma warn you about people like Trevor E Reed?

[resh]

Did your momma warn you about people like Trevor E Reed?

You tell me since our families have all gone to school together.
Ky is very clickesh!

[Ferret]

You tell me since our families have all gone to school together.
Ky is very clickesh!
The ponzi scam school that uses religion to suck people in?

[resh]

EDIT:
If the health products are so great what are they?
I am a vegetarian, not a vegan and I don't join ponzi scams
especially those that are Christian Cults
That means I eat eggs, dairy, cheese, p u s s y and jesus freaks

Well that explains it all...now I see why you you are so out of it!
You eat unborn chickens,food meant for baby cows,unborn babies (p***y c*m)
and humans!
Man it's time to go vegan to calm down!

Oh yea,as I said I'm an atheist but have no problem with christians....love buddists.....everyone needs a crutch,mine is health.
And I don't join ponzi scams either!

[Ferret]

Well that explains it all...now I see why you you are so out of it!
You eat unborn chickens,food meant for baby cows,unborn babies (p***y c*m)
and humans!
Man it's time to go vegan to calm down!

Oh yea,as I said I'm an atheist but have no problem with christians....love buddists.....everyone needs a crutch,mine is health.
And I don't join ponzi scams either!

Thanks, I will consider that and if you aren't in a ponzi
then you will know the answers to......

What are the travel agencies CEP is invested in?

What are the condominiums CEP is invested in?

What are the real estate CEP is invested in?

What are the goods CEP is invested in?

What are the currencies CEP is invested in?

PS: Buddists are cool, they don't try to convert anyone......

[resh]

Thanks, I will consider that and if you aren't in a ponzi
then you will know the answers to......

What are the travel agencies CEP is invested in?

What are the condominiums CEP is invested in?

What are the real estate CEP is invested in?

What are the goods CEP is invested in?

What are the currencies CEP is invested in?

PS: Buddists are cool, they don't try to convert anyone......

You sound like a broken record! You asked for one answer,I gave you 3,
then you weren't interested in those.
As for the travel agencies,condominums and real estate ask the government of Bowling Green,Ky!
I gave you the goods answer!
And as for the currencies ask First National and Chase!
Or better yet ask Trevor Reed!
Or become a member!
Easy as pie! (oops,sorry-I forgot-private)

[Ferret]

You sound like a broken record! You asked for one answer,I gave you 3,
then you weren't interested in those.
As for the travel agencies,condominums and real estate ask the government of Bowling Green,Ky!
I gave you the goods answer!
And as for the currencies ask First National and Chase!
Or better yet ask Trevor Reed!
Or become a member!
Easy as pie! (oops,sorry-I forgot-private)
Don't worry.......
I will definitely be talking to First National and Chase Bank
I think they will be very interested in what Trevor E Reed and his
illegal payment processor is up to and thanks for the other tips.

PS: Isn't it past your bedtime young man!? and please stop the exclamation point abuse!
As for CEP being private Trevor Reed will need some new "blood" and he will
be opening the doors again very soon. You can count on it!!!
Also I am sure First National and Chase Bank have nothing to do with any "currency" trading
You maybe answered the Health products question....

[resh]

Don't worry.......
I will definitely be talking to First National and Chase Bank
I think they will be very interested in what Trevor E Reed and his
illegal payment processor is up to and thanks for the other tips.

PS: Isn't it past your bedtime young man!? and please stop the exclamation point abuse!
As for CEP being private Trevor Reed will need some new "blood" and he will
be opening the doors again very soon. You can count on it!!!
Also I am sure First National and Chase Bank have nothing to do with any "currency" trading
You maybe answered the Health products question....

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Are you my daddy or mommie????????????bedtime lol!!!!!!!!!!!

I pretty well think First National and Chase know who Trevor and CEP are!
Especially as they happen to handle the ACH for the payment processor and since The Federal Reserve and Electronic Payments Network act as ACH Operators, central clearing facilities, through which financial institutions transmit or receive ACH entries.

Here is some info in case you are to lazy to get it yourself.
http://www.nacha.org/About/what_is_ach_.htm

[Ferret]

I pretty well think First National and Chase know who Trevor and CEP are!
Especially as they happen to handle the ACH for the payment processor and since The Federal Reserve and Electronic Payments Network act as ACH Operators, central clearing facilities, through which financial institutions transmit or receive ACH entries.[/url]Of course, but I doubt
if First National and Chase Bank have figured out that Trevor E Reed is
running a Faith Fraud Ponzi Scam yet...................................

They may not be too happy to hear that.

PS: As an atheist how do you like all the religious crap in the CEP Forums?

[resh]

Of course, but I doubt
if First National and Chase Bank have figured out that Trevor E Reed is
running a Faith Fraud Ponzi Scam yet...................................

They may not be too happy to hear that.

PS: As an atheist how do you like all the religious crap in the CEP Forums?

As I stated before I have no problem with christians or ANY type or kind of people. Life is too short!

But hey THANKS for all the info.and posts.Got what I came for!
See you......probably sooner than you think!
Later.....

[Ferret]

As I stated before I have no problem with christians or ANY type or kind of people. Life is too short!

But hey THANKS for all the info.and posts.Got what I came for!
See you......probably sooner than you think!
Later.....
Ditto's!
Great! I am waiting...........

Thanks for helping feed the spiders!

[deadgrassdog]

Your question to why I copy threads here is answered by the fact that
"I sure hope Trevor Has His Ducks in a row" got deleted today

A Thread I read About I sure hope Trevor Has His Ducks is still there for now
http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2727&sid=4112e1ddca89c41d6206acd75f893644



That thread was deleted at my request... PERIOD!

[easyrider60]

easyrider60
Are you going to answer the question I asked you above in post # 127?


Its one or the other as you say here you haven't got a dime in CEP but
on talkgold you say CEP is paying you......



Just thought I'd stop by and rattle the ferret's cage again.

As far as your question goes, yes I did invest in CEP 3 months ago and have since gotten MY money back so what's in there now isn't my money it belongs to the house so technically I don't have a dime in there. You assumed I still had MY money there.

As a matter of fact I just invested 3 months ago and have already gotten my money back without signing up a down line and guess what I don't have an up line either. Since I am a newbie there and have gotten my investment returned in 3 months that kind of puts your ponzi theory in the toilet as newbie's don't get paid unless you sign up a long down line. Didn't have to so your argument is out the window.

Oh and by the way..the numbers you keep dragging over here from the home page isn't what the members have invested.. ( If you would have cared to check) It's the return on the investments CEP has made so as you can see they are making much more than they are paying out..So again another nail in your "ponzi theory" coffin.

Resh has already taken care of answering your other questions but that didn't seem to satisify you and no answer ever will so stand on your soapbox with pn and rant and rave. Makes for a good laugh to start the day..

Thought someone that's a good ole boy like you would have better things to do with their time...OH, I forgot you are getting off on having a high spot on the Google search so it seems you aren't out to protect people ( which didn't ask for your help in the first place) but to get a "big head" seeing if you can be a # 1 Google search. geesh...Get a life.

Thanks Resh but you were talking to someone who isn't even close to your league.

Have a good day..I know I will..

[sorcerer]

To Ferret:

I suggest you get some Anger Management therapy. You really need it man. Your making Ponzi Nemesis look like a Saint.

You've obviously got burned, and burned bad. Was it YMMSS? I did. But I'm not going to get a brain annurism over it. Calm down.

BTW, with all the online hyips and surf programs out there, why in particular do you have it in for CEP? Because Admin has a strong faith. You got problem with that? That's a shame. I happen to be of another faith but I respect all faiths otherwise. It seems like you only know one poor soul, yourself.

[concerned]

Sorcerer

Most of us that are moderators here never got burned by a scam, cause we were smart enough to stay away from them. The others that have been burned have learned from their mistakes and are trying to help others not make the same one. We are trying to knock some sense into people so that they don't get burned. Unfortunately, it is like putting a square peg in a round hole. People just love getting scammed, and then crying about it. There is nothing wrong with other people's faith. What is wrong is claiming to be a certain faith to create a false sense of security so that you can scam more unsuspecting souls. I don't think you get it yet sorcerer. Chances are that they aren't even really Christian. They just say that so they can scam Christians.

[Pozey]

I've been following this forum for quite awhile and would like to give my opinion on CEP. I am invested with CEP. I have compounded and taken money out and will be in complete profit next month. I'm not a cheerleader but am a fan of facts and intelligent debate. If there was something illegal going on, I would be the first to leave.. I absolutely do not want people to be hurt by something I'm a part of. That said, lets get started.

Is CEP a Ponzi scheme or a scam?
Trevor has stated multiple times that he invests in brick and mortar investments producing real returns of greater amounts than what we are being paid. The naysayer says that’s not possible because they can’t understand it. If you really know CEP is not investing in real interest baring investments, prove it. I assure you, if you were to research select investments you can partake in with large amounts of money, you would be completely shocked. As far as I’ve seen, there has been NO absolute proof of Trevor using new money to pay members. Until you can find some facts, which would be seeing the books, then it’s simply your word against his. Time will obviously tell.

Real proof of CEP being a scam or fraudulent:
1. ?

Real proof of CEP not being a scam:
1. In business since November of 2005.
2. Paying as stated in the TOS without flaw since release.
3. A maximum amount you can invest. (If it were a Ponzi, they would let you compound without taking out as long as you’d like. Why would they require themselves to pay you?)
4. It only opens for members periodically. *As of May 13th, it's been closed for 30 days.
5. Using large US banks to deal with monies. (Do you really think they are that foolish to know that every dollar is tracked if they were trying to scam?)
6. It would simply be foolish to be as transparent as they are with the recent (last few years) arrest to criminals

Is CEP being investigated by the FBI/SEC/IRS?
I assure you that CEP would be contacted via SEC/FBI/IRS if there were a pending investigation. The SEC/FBI/IRS isn’t going to be contacting a general citizen with any information regarding CEP before they, being CEP, are well aware of the investigation. Again, until you have seen hard evidence of scam/fraud/money laundering, you will have no ground to stand on and your words should fall on deaf ears.

Is CEP registered/licensed to operate legally?
This would be another example of your word against his (Trevor). CEP Holdings, Inc is registered in Belize. http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/cepholdings.php CEP Trust (payment processor) is registered in Kentucky. http://apps.sos.ky.gov/business/obdb/(4d0aycvqghcnbr55e44hys45)/showentity.aspx?id=0632391&ct=06&cs=99999 If you look carefully, you'll see that they are in good standing. Has anyone done the research to argue that CEP is not registered as stated by Trevor on multiple occasions. Again, until there would be a legal investigation into CEP, no one will have solid arguments. I would imagine that the government will ignore most of the accusation but if for some reason they don’t, Trevor does have a lawyer on retainer. I don’t mind CEP having to tighten its bolts and make sure everything is completely legit. I want to be a part of something legal for a multitude of reasons but mainly because I’m a God fearing man. I haven’t seen one example of factual information indicting CEP as being illegal in any way.

The arguments here are solely based on past experiences. Obviously someone who has been scammed before, reads that 95% of these companies fail, has seen someone scammed, has a company that can’t produce the equivalent percentage, enjoys debate, requires lots of attention, etc. That is the basis of all negative comments and arguments, regarding CEP, with some candy around it so people will actually swallow it.

Have a great day!

GodBless.

-Pozey

[Ferret]

To Ferret:
I suggest you get some Anger Management therapy. You really need it man. Your making Ponzi Nemesis look like a Saint.

You've obviously got burned, and burned bad. Was it YMMSS? I did. But I'm not going to get a brain annurism over it. Calm down.

BTW, with all the online hyips and surf programs out there, why in particular do you have it in for CEP? Because Admin has a strong faith. You got problem with that? That's a shame. I happen to be of another faith but I respect all faiths otherwise. It seems like you only know one poor soul, yourself.
Hi sorcerer and great to see you
making your first post after lurking here for a while
Sorry :rolleyes: about your losses in YMMSS. How much did you get
burned for?
How much do you have in Colon End Parenthesis CEP?

I will repeat again that I have never been burned by any scam
online or offline and was not in YMMSS in any way
My first posts here well over a year ago said the same

My Anger therapy is posting here on MW and beating up on scammers
like Kim Inman, Owen Jennings and currently Trevor "Ponzi" Reed lol :D :p

I'm really not angry, more like dumbfounded and amazed at the cult
like behaviour of the sheeple at Colon End Parenthesis CEP who believe
without question everything Trevor "messiah" Reed pronounces

I'm not interested in online hyips, surf program and MOST other scams
because there are just too many of them. Boring... and it would be a full
time job lol
This is just a hobby lol I gave up TV a few years ago and instead of
watching Survivor or American Idol I bust scams :D

I followed another Faith Fraud YMMeSS for over a year to see many
of the YMMSS "victims" jump from the frying pan right into the fire of
another religious based scam CEP Colon End Parenthesis
I have already said this in this thread. Are you not paying attention
sorcerer? Obviously not because you have gone from one ponzi scam to
another. When will you ever learn? Why are you :head: :head: lol

Another faith, huh, sorcerer? Are you into the occult, witchcraft,
black magic and demonism sorcerer?
I don't think that will go over too well with the bible bashing jesus freaks
who seem to be in the vast majority on the CEP Colon End Parenthesis forum

My problem is with scammers like Trevor Reed who use their "faith" to
manipulate and take advantage of their group

Its called Affinity Fraud, Google it:p

PS: Maybe just maybe you will know the answers to......

What are the travel agencies CEP is invested in?

What are the condominiums CEP is invested in?

What are the real estate CEP is invested in?

What are the goods CEP is invested in?

What are the currencies CEP is invested in?

[Pozey]

I don't think that will go over too well with the bible bashing jesus freaks
who seem to be in the vast majority on the CEP Colon End Parenthesis forum

My problem is with scammers like Trevor Reed who use their "faith" to
manipulate and take advantage of their group

Its called Affinity Fraud, Google it:p
You're correct, Affinity Fraud is considered illegal. So is murder, thievery, and arson. Can you prove CEP as doing anything illegal (fraudalant) or are you saying that because he's open about his faith he's automatically guilty? I wouldn't think that you would be that ignorant but I could be wrong. Again, you haven't proven anything. This would be another example of "If company A did it then company B is doing the same thing". That thought process is very small thinking in my opinion. It's time to get out of the box. What if CEP is different than the 95% that have failed or have been scams? It's already proven to be unique and in it's own class.

PS: Maybe just maybe you will know the answers to......

What are the travel agencies CEP is invested in?

What are the condominiums CEP is invested in?

What are the real estate CEP is invested in?

What are the goods CEP is invested in?

What are the currencies CEP is invested in?
I find it funny that someone who is outside of the company is asking these questions. Quite frankly, since it's a private company, it's none of your business. If we would like to ask these questions, as members, we will. On a business end, I don't expect to get specifics as it would give away his entire business model. I wouldn't expect any competent business man to do such a thing.

Please refer to my previous post. I haven't seen one actual fact that justifies CEP as being fraudalant or a scam in any capacity. Please deliver the facts if you're so confident. To keep saying that one company did something so that means CEP is doing the same is not only foolish but shows how small of a world you're living in.

GodBless.

-Pozey

[Ferret]

Hi Pozey
Welcome to MW
Don't worry I will get to answering your first post
I'm a busy guy, lots of Anger Management classes to attend lol :p

PS: Pozey is the 16th highest poster on the CEP forum (http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/forum/) with 125 posts out of
3873 registered users
http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/forum/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=3043&sid=e5485cd532da4597066f6228d9f81a23

April 20, 2007
Members: 13,936
Verified: 10,959
Purchased: $12,606,298.81
Paid Out: $9,438,183.36
Levels 1,2: $12,598,891.80

May 05 2007
Members: 16,713 Increased 2,777
Verified: 13,144
Purchased: $18,311,408.26
Paid Out: $14,431,506.22
Levels 1,2: $18,304,001.25 Increased $5,705,110

May 07, 2007
Members: 16,713
Verified: 13,156 Increased 12
Purchased: $18,672,448.97
Paid Out: $14,985,046.69
Levels 1,2: $18,665,041.96 Increased $361,040

May 10, 2007
Members: 16,713
Verified: 13,183 Increased 27
Purchased: $19,292,181.99
Paid Out: $15,524,888.83
Levels 1,2: $19,284,774.98 Increased $619,733

PS: A little gossip I heard.......
The surprise was that Trevor "Praise the Lord" Reed is going to be starting a ministry in another 2 to 3 years. When that happens, he will remain CEO of the company and leave the operations of CEP in qualified hands. I hope one of them is his father Earl, whom we were told will be running PSE.
Back to reality, Trevor "2% per day" Reed will more likely be
spending time in Club Fed in 2 to 3 years

PPS: Trevor's forum name on MoneyMakerGroup is : loveinjesusname lol lol lol :D :p
should be scamyouinjesusname lol lol lol lol :crazy: :D :p

[Pozey]

Hi Pozey
Welcome to MW
Don't worry I will get to answering your first post
I'm a busy guy, lots of Anger Management classes to attend lol :p
I'm anxious to see some hard evidence to support your already repeated claims.

PS: Pozey is the 16th highest poster on the CEP forum (http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/forum/) with 125 posts out of
3873 registered users
http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/forum/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=3043&sid=e5485cd532da4597066f6228d9f81a23
Does that have anything to do with our conversation here? I presented my opinion and facts.. take it or leave it. I already said that I AM involved with CEP and am very happy with the results.

April 20, 2007
Members: 13,936
Verified: 10,959
Purchased: $12,606,298.81
Paid Out: $9,438,183.36
Levels 1,2: $12,598,891.80

May 05 2007
Members: 16,713 Increased 2,777
Verified: 13,144
Purchased: $18,311,408.26
Paid Out: $14,431,506.22
Levels 1,2: $18,304,001.25 Increased $5,705,110

May 07, 2007
Members: 16,713
Verified: 13,156 Increased 12
Purchased: $18,672,448.97
Paid Out: $14,985,046.69
Levels 1,2: $18,665,041.96 Increased $361,040

May 10, 2007
Members: 16,713
Verified: 13,183 Increased 27
Purchased: $19,292,181.99
Paid Out: $15,524,888.83
Levels 1,2: $19,284,774.98 Increased $619,733These stats prove two things:
1. It's still working since November of 2005.
2. It's private. *Verified only means they clicked on the link in their email after signing up to become officially verified.

Well done. Thanks for the positive stats.

PS: A little gossip I heard.......

Originally Posted by CEPForum
The surprise was that Trevor Reed is going to be starting a ministry in another 2 to 3 years. When that happens, he will remain CEO of the company and leave the operations of CEP in qualified hands. I hope one of them is his father Earl, whom we were told will be running PSE.

Back to reality, Trevor "2% per day" Reed will more likely be
spending time in Club Fed in 2 to 3 years

PPS: Trevor's forum name on MoneyMakerGroup is : loveinjesusname
should be scamyouinjesusname
This just shows that you're basing everything off of the fact that he's vocal with his faith. Again, absolutely no facts or hard evidence, just a thought process inside your tiny box that 2% a day is impossible. You, my friend, need to do some research on private investments.

GodBless.

-Pozey

[Ferret]

A couple of the smarter CEP members are catching on that CEP is a PONZI

http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2125&sid=3aad69d5a21c0d31bfcc192788f1a628

madpoet
Joined: 04 Dec 2006
Posts: 203
Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 12:34 pm Post subject:

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1) Cep is undergoing massive growth lately. Is there any concern that so many new members and so much money is going to be impossible to handle?

2) Shouldn't the first priority, above and beyond anything else, be fixing the script? Having to scan the daily transactions like a hawk, trying to mix and match upgrades, compounds, cashouts, etc; and having a couple dozen or more transactions to take care of with ones hitting the 30 day mark every day is time consuming!
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http://allstarbizsites.com/bt/scammer/

Martin
Joined: 05 Mar 2007
Posts: 22
Location: North West of England
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 3:35 am Post subject: the future of CEP

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Hi from the UK,
I guess my query ties in with item 1 on madpoets post above.
In a couple of years, assuming that CEP continues to operate successfully, more and more members will be maxed out and therefore CEP will have potentially huge monthly payouts to make.

I wondered if Trevor and the team have put any strategies in place to meet these forecast obligations, to ensure the medium/longer term success of CEP ? I work in a finance environment and am constantly amazed by how well CEP appears to be performing
Many thanks for all the hard work you guys are putting in on behalf of the members
Martin

DRC
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Posts: 12
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:03 am Post subject:

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(1) The membership is getting quit large and the larger the membership the greater the risk of members complaining to authorities for no reason which places CEP on the radar of authorities. Quote from the SEC site, “One of the major sources of information on which the SEC relies to bring enforcement action is investors themselves” How can CEP ever be protected for longevity against the members themselves?

(2) According to the TOS “All monies entrusted to CEP are considered investments, and what you earn and are paid is considered interest.” Doesn’t the SEC have some pretty strict rules in regards to what they consider legal investments and who can acquire outside funds for investments whether they are stocks, bonds or other investment avenues?

don't know if these are proper questions or not but i have seen concerns posted along these lines from time to time.

drc
Hi drc
Those are VERY proper questions and yes the SEC has VERY strict rules about investments

Pozey
Joined: 21 Feb 2007
Posts: 127
Location: Saint Louis, MO
Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 7:12 am Post subject:

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I really like this question:
I was mainly interested in whether CEP had filed any annual accounts, or because it is incorporated in Belize it doesn't have to ? I wondered if there are any financial accounts available in the public domain for CEP.

Also, can you give us a more detailed explanation on the levels.. as in, when will they be opened, is Trevor planning on opening all 12 someday or will the system change it's structure?

I'm also interested in knowing where CEPT is at in regards to the licenses. It was said that the NM license would only take a few weeks and I know it's been over a month. An update on the progress of the licenses would be awesome.. especially with the most recent E-gold indictments.

GodBless. -Pozey So Pozey
Did you get any answers?

Martin
Joined: 05 Mar 2007
Posts: 22
Location: North West of England
Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 2:48 pm Post subject: Question for newscast #5

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Hello again Pamela/May
Many thanks for asking my question in newscast #4. However you will see from the transcript below that Pamela didn't really answer my question. I was mainly interested in whether CEP had filed any annual accounts, or because it is incorporated in Belize it doesn't have to ? I wondered if there are any financial accounts available in the public domain for CEP
Thanks for the newscasts, I always find them an interesting read
Take care
Martin

Quote from newscast # 4 :

May: Thank you! So FireFox is the best. So another member, and I want to point something out, these questions we get mostly from all the members so if they want to keep posting these question so we can get them answered in the next videocast remember to visit the forums. So one of the members asked if there are any sets of accounts for CEP that have been filed and are available for public viewing ? They are from the UK so they’re not familiar with US tax dates, filing requirements etc, etc. So Pamela what can we answer to this member?

Pamela: You know May, I’m really glad that this question was brought up and when it comes to asking questions about taxes, we have always said to please consult your tax advisor. Another thing is We will never ask members to post their personal filings. And business taxes work very differently and would really be of no use to anyone. Please reach your personal tax advisor and follow their directions since they will help find you the right fit for your taxes.
Martin actually has a financial background and isn't really a Trevor brainwashed cult member

Martin is starting to ask the right questions and I doubt if he will ever get a straight answer

Martin is RIGHTLY amazed by how well CEP appears to be performing
I am amazed too. Ponzis tend to do that to me

[Pozey]

A couple of the smarter CEP members are catching on that CEP is a PONZI
That absolutely does not prove that it's a ponzi. Those members were stating that CEP will be paying out quite a lot when people begin to max out. Big deal. How much do you think TD Ameritrade pays out each month? CEP has been paying on time since the beginning back in November of 2005. You will not find one member that hasn't been paid as stated in the TOS. Going even further, you won't find one member that is unhappy with CEP or the performance therein. I find that to be almost unheard of for a business. Again, there has been no facts shown here, only speculation and assumptions.

Congratulations CEP.. you've done a better job at satisfying your customers than most of the top companies in this nation. Well done.

Hi drc
Those are VERY proper questions and yes the SEC has VERY strict rules about investments
Why don't you tell us what those rules are and explain how CEP is breaking them? I'd be anxious to see that. Or you can just go to my talkgold post with the actual SEC rules and copy my post, which is similar to an earlier post here (http://www.matrixwatch.org/forums/showpost.php?p=52124&postcount=162). http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1833148&posted=1#post1833148
Martin actually has a financial background and isn't really a Trevor brainwashed cult member
Cult
-noun
1. a particular system of religious worship, esp. with reference to its rites and ceremonies.
2. an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, esp. as manifested by a body of admirers: the physical fitness cult. *I'm personally not an "admirer" nor do you have to be so that's false.
3. the object of such devotion. *My only devotion is to God.
4. a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.
5. Sociology. a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols.
6. a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader.
7. the members of such a religion or sect.
8. any system for treating human sickness that originated by a person usually claiming to have sole insight into the nature of disease, and that employs methods regarded as unorthodox or unscientific.
–adjective
9. of or pertaining to a cult.
10. of, for, or attracting a small group of devotees: a cult movie.

I'm not sure if we're reading the same dictionary but CEP is nothing of such. Trevor is not attempting at placing his faith onto the other members of CEP. CEP is ran by a christian admin. Does that make every legit christian run company a cult?
Martin is starting to ask the right questions and I doubt if he will ever get a straight answer.
If Martin is so incredibly intelligent and CEP isn't legit, why is he involved?
Martin is RIGHTLY amazed by how well CEP appears to be performing I am amazed too. Ponzis tend to do that to me.
It is rather amazing that they've been true to every word since November of 2005. You would almost think that they're a completely legit company. Again, what if, by chance, CEP was the diamond amongst the scams and illegal ponzi schemes?

As far as them answering my questions, I'm not concerned in the least. I'm interested. I'm interested in every venture that I'm involved in. Does that mean I know every minut detail of every business I'm involved with.. of course the answer is no. In life, everything is a risk. I'm not saying that CEP isn't a risk, all I would like to see is some factual information why you think it's a ponzi or scam. Why would CEP require themselves to pay you when you reach your max which is only $30,000? Have you ever heard of a ponzi doing such a thing? Why would they be using US bank accounts (Chase and National City) knowing that it can be tracked to the penny? That would just seem a bit foolish with all the scams being investigated as of the last few years. These are questions that could only be answered through proof and real facts of which you haven't been able to obtain or show.

GodBless.

-Pozey

[Ferret]

Hey Pozey
Slow down big boy :D
I will get to your answers......
I am not getting paid to post on here lol
Its Pro Bono :p

Why don't you read this while you are waiting?
Just substitute "Trevor Reed" for "Charles Ponzi"
Its a great bed time story, but you may have nightmares
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme

PS: Did you ever read "Briar Rabbit and the Tar Baby" as a kid? lol

[Pozey]

Hey Pozey
Slow down big boy :D
I will get to your answers......
I am not getting paid to post on here lol
Its Pro Bono :p

Why don't you read this while you are waiting?
Just substitute "Trevor Reed" for "Charles Ponzi"
Its a great bed time story, but you may have nightmares
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme

PS: Did you ever read "Briar Rabbit and the Tar Baby" as a kid? lol
I'm obviously not getting paid either. For some reason I'm doing absolutely nothing this evening so I figured spending some quality time in debate could be entertaining. I've read and re-read that article many, many times. I will agree that in some ways, CEP can look as if it's a ponzi. My point is that there are multiple reasons it is likely that CEP is legit.

1. With a ponzi, it wouldn't make sense to have a maximum and be required to pay people. They would want to let people keep compounding so they had more money to pay out.
2. It wouldn't make sense for them to ever go private as they would need the new money to pay the older members.
3. Thirdly, with the government becoming very strict in this arena, it would be absolutely ridiculous to have a payment processor licensed in the US as well as using US banks which can be tracked flawlessly.

Those are my points that aren't backed by factual information but simply by common sense.. neither one of us can obtain the information we would need to know for certain either way. What I'm saying is that most points in this forum are stating that because of a past company being illegal, it automatically makes CEP illegal. I personally don't like to see a company profiled in such a way and unless you can obtain hard evidence to support such harsh claims, there shouldn't be much attention given to the un-justified accusations in my opinion.

GodBless.

-Pozey

[littleroundman]

CEP Holdings has only a certificate of Incorporation in Belize.

CEP Holdings has only registration as a LLC (Limited Liability Corporation) in Kentucky.

Neither of these incorporation documents allows CEP to operate as a money transmitter or payment processor.

Specifically, CEP is prevented as operating within the USA as a payment processor without specific licensing.

LLC status is designed to protect ONLY the partners of the LLC against personal loss incurred by the LLC. In other words, LLC status prevents the operators from being held personally liable for debts incurred on behalf of the LLC

It does NOT protect against illegal and criminal activity. It does not include any permits required to operate within the USA. Charis Johnson of 12DP and Bryan Marsden of PIPS both held LLC status, both were served with cease and desist orders within the USA and both were prosecuted despite the LLC status.
It definitely does NOT protect members against loss or fraud.

[Pozey]

CEP Holdings has only a certificate of Incorporation in Belize.

CEP Holdings has only registration as a LLC (Limited Liability Corporation) in Kentucky.

Neither of these incorporation documents allows CEP to operate as a money transmitter or payment processor.

Specifically, CEP is prevented as operating within the USA as a payment processor without specific licensing.

LLC status is designed to protect ONLY the partners of the LLC against personal loss incurred by the LLC. In other words, LLC status prevents the operators from being held personally liable for debts incurred on behalf of the LLC

It does NOT protect against illegal and criminal activity. It does not include any permits required to operate within the USA. Charis Johnson of 12DP and Bryan Marsden of PIPS both held LLC status, both were served with cease and desist orders within the USA and both were prosecuted despite the LLC status.
It definitely does NOT protect members against loss or fraud.
If you'd like to compare 12dp to CEP than you can read my thoughts and comparisons in TG. http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1833148&posted=1#post1833148
As far as the licensing for CEP Trust LLC, they're in the middle of acquiring them as we speak. I'm not sure where they are within that process because I'm not the admin but I do know that they're in the midst of acquiring a license in NM and NY. I'm honestly fairly lost when it comes to the licensing facts for a payment processor. I do know, however, that the government would like companies to succeed and if they are working towards a license, they'll be fine. Bottom line is, if they are doing everything legit as far as the investments are concerned, the government will give them the opportunity to acquire any license they might not have at the moment. Now, if they would happen to be a ponzi, than your squad is correct, it would be illegal and shut down. I know for a fact that not one person here will have that proof, on either side of the debate but I do know that time will definitely tell.

GodBless.

-Pozey

[Ferret]

http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2785&sid=9a26108123df5dd774c60be5a8341bda

bfeeder
Joined: 04 Jan 2007
Posts: 23
Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 6:39 am Post subject: The $60K Question

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Hi to all the great members, I have a favor to ask. AS you know there are hundreds of threads about different things. Could someone direct me to the latest info about the stability and longevity of the CEP program.

I am planning to invest next week and if I'm wrong about this program my wife will make me sleep in the pool house, if I'm lucky, so any info would be appreciated.

BF

Clockwatcher
Joined: 15 Apr 2007
Posts: 9
Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 4:06 pm Post subject:

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Bfeeder:

Here's the $60,000 answer:

Investing in CEP is nothing more than a leap of faith; Bottom line.

This is not the type of investment that has a long history of success, such as a mutual fund. My advice, trite as it sounds, is not to invest an amount you can't afford to loose.


We're all taking a leap of faith that Trevor is running an honest, legitimate business.

We're all taking a leap of faith that he really is investing our money and getting 4X the return on it.

We're all taking a leap of faith that he isn't running a Ponzi scheme.

We're all taking a leap of faith that he really is a good hearted Christian who wants to help us all live better lives.


If you've been doing your homework you'll notice the SEC has CEP-like investments in their cross hairs. The reason? There are many investment opportunities, such as this one, that ARE run by crooks. As soon as the money pot grows big enough they run with it, leaving many investors penniless.

Within the past year alone many high profile investment opportunities, similar to CEP/CEP trust, have been shut down by the SEC or their owners ran with the money.

I'm invested for $1,000. That's what I can afford to loose.

I'm invested because what I've read makes me feel comfortable enough to risk the risk.

I'm invested because of this open forum that allows opinions such as this.

I'm invested because there appears to be a genuine sense of community and purpose with CEP.

My hope is that Trevor is the person he presents himself to be. If it IS a Ponzi it really won't matter because the money owed will be too much
for new members to make up
Then the excuses will start...............
Those in YMMSS know what I am talking about
YMMSS paid for longer than CEP has been running now so
the fact that CEP is still paying means absolutely nothing.
Ponzis pay until the day they stop paying OR they get shut down

Maybe Trevor Reed thinks he can change water into wine?
The Lord told him to start CEP after all..........
Maybe Trevor Reed thinks he can feed the multitudes with a couple of fish?
Maybe Trevor Reed thinks he can walk on water and part the Red Sea?

Maybe Trevor Reed thinks he can keep a PONZI running FOREVER?

chevys
Joined: 09 Dec 2006
Posts: 31
Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 4:25 pm Post subject:

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Clockwatcher, I think that is some great advice. I have been tempted to drop in more money that I cant afford to lose but have resisted the temptation because if cep is the real deal it wont matter anyway.

Still, I have a lot of confidence in CEP and the owners but this is still high risk stuff. A lot of things can go wrong in a hurry in a program like this and everybody should be cautious. There are a handful of people on this forum that think otherwise and constantly spew off things that they know nothing about but pretend too. Its not hard to pick them out.

I will say that cep has operated in the most professional way imo and has always done what they said they will in my case. I love cep to death but dont get caught up in all the hype from a handful of posters. Dont put in more than you can afford to lose is the best advice that can be given.

[Pozey]

http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2785&sid=9a26108123df5dd774c60be5a8341bda

If it IS a Ponzi it really won't matter because the money owed will be too much
for new members to make up
Then the excuses will start...............
Those in YMMSS know what I am talking about
YMMSS paid for longer than CEP has been running now so
the fact that CEP is still paying means absolutelty nothing.
Ponzis pay until the day they stop paying

Maybe Trevor Reed thinks he can change water into wine?
The Lord told him to start CEP after all..........
Maybe Trevor Reed things he can feed the multitudes with a couple of fish?
Maybe Trevor Reed thinks he can walk on water and part the Red Sea?

Maybe Trevor Reed thinks he can turn a PONZI into a real business?
Is it really necessary to mock the bible to attempt in proving a point? Lets all grow up and have a logical debate please. You keep saying "IF". If McDonalds puts poison in the meat, all who eat them will die or be sick. If Goodyear builds faulty tires it'll cause accidents. If someone drinks and drive they could kill innocent people. In life you can say "IF" about every scenario but that doesn't give room to never risk. The fact of the matter is, you have no absolute proof that CEP is a ponzi scheme and you're frustrated enough to have to use the faith card and other scams to compare. Lets not even begin to talk about YMMSS.. obviously they were a cycler. The only thing in common is that they proclaimed to have a faith in God so placing them in CEP's corner is wildly ridiculous and far fetched. Again, please enlighten me with some actual facts and hard evidence rather than accusations based on past programs. To answer your question, I do think that Trevor has done something unique here and that it's different from the past programs and until proven otherwise, I'll feel the same way.

chevys
Joined: 09 Dec 2006
Posts: 31
Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 4:25 pm Post subject:

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Clockwatcher, I think that is some great advice. I have been tempted to drop in more money that I cant afford to lose but have resisted the temptation because if cep is the real deal it wont matter anyway.

Still, I have a lot of confidence in CEP and the owners but this is still high risk stuff. A lot of things can go wrong in a hurry in a program like this and everybody should be cautious. There are a handful of people on this forum that think otherwise and constantly spew off things that they know nothing about but pretend too. Its not hard to pick them out.

I will say that cep has operated in the most professional way imo and has always done what they said they will in my case. I love cep to death but dont get caught up in all the hype from a handful of posters. Dont put in more than you can afford to lose is the best advice that can be given.
Thanks for posting this. What a great post. Yes, it's a risk. Yes, you shouldn't place more in than you can afford to lose, as with any investment. I love the part about CEP operating in the most professional way and always doing what they say.. don't you? ;-)

GodBless.

-Pozey

[Ferret]

Where and how is Trevor Reed investing Your money and getting 4X the return on it? so
that he can pay you 720% a year

That is the $60,000 question

Oh yea, Trevor Reed is smarter and a better investor than anyone else on the planet.......
He is a miracle investor!!! because he has God on his side!
A kid that is going to seminary school and admits that CEP started as a HYIP
Oh yea, I would trust him with my money.....

I don't say IF, you didn't notice that IS was capitalised

Anyway, just answer the first question and I will shut up

[Pozey]

Where and how is Trevor Reed investing Your money and getting 4X the return on it?

That is the $60,000 question

Oh yea, Trevor Reed is smarter and a better investor than anyone else on the planet.......
He is a miracle investor!!! because he has God on his side!

I don't say IF, you didn't notice that IS was capitalised

Anyway, just answer the first question and I will shut up
That's a question that we, as members, don't know the EXACT detail on. We do know that he is investing in travel agencies, condominiums, real estate, the trading of goods and currencies, and health products. I'm not sure how he gets the returns from real estate (I would assume this is for stability) but as far as currencies and goods, that's completely possible. If you really research investing, you'll see that the rich get richer. I'm actually in the middle of an investment book by Robert T. Kiyosaki (Guide to Investing) and he claims "returns of 1,000% and more are occasionally achieved." IF you have the funds and integrity to be invited to some of the private investment opportunities, you can make HUGE returns that the typical investor has no clue even exists. It usually requires a 10 million dollar minimum, an invitation, and a great reputation of integrity. Once you're in this, you cannot speak of the details as it's not public.

I personally do not expect or want Trevor to tell me the exact places he invests as it would spoil his business model and many others could do the same thing. There is a "secret sauce" in the McDonalds Big Mac for a reason. I do personally completely trust that Trevor and co are doing what they claim simply because of an outstanding track record and things lining up as CEP being completely legit. I haven't seen or read one fact or indictment that can hold weight that shows anything negative about CEP. All you will find is speculation, comparison, and assumptions based on opinion rather than hard evidence supporting any claim.

That's my thoughts.

GodBless.

-Pozey

[Webwatch]

Hello Pozey,
I find your responses fascinating and I will try and make a more detailed post later.
We do know that he is investing in travel agencies, condominiums, real estate, the trading of goods and currencies, and health products. I'm not sure how he gets the returns from real estate (I would assume this is for stability) but as far as currencies and goods, that's completely possible.
One quick question though:
Could you please explain how you know this and please don't use because Trevor told us or Trevor is a good man etc in your answer.

[Pozey]

Hello Pozey,
One quick question though:
Could you please explain how you know this and please don't use because Trevor told us or Trevor is a good man etc in your answer.
I've already explained in the last post that we don't know the exact places CEP invests in nor do I feel it's necessary to know simply because it would spoil his business model. I don't have a lot of time this morning to repeat what I wrote but you can re-read my post on the top of page 8 and it'll explain my thoughts on why I personally don't find it necessary to know every minut detail. Believe me, you have no clue what your money is used for in some of the business's you're working with. One example is your bank. That could start an entire new debate of which I'm not interested in but just look over my other post for my thoughts regarding the investments CEP involves itself in.

Talk to you soon.

GodBless.

-Pozey

[sisco50]

"I'm actually in the middle of an investment book by Robert T. Kiyosaki (Guide to Investing) and he claims "returns of 1,000% and more are occasionally achieved." IF you have the funds and integrity to be invited to some of the private investment opportunities, you can make HUGE returns that the typical investor has no clue even exists. It usually requires a 10 million dollar minimum, an invitation, and a great reputation of integrity. Once you're in this, you cannot speak of the details as it's not public."

Would these private investments be the same ones that we have been hearing about for years but have never seen proof of their existence? Would these be the same investments that most scammers use as it gives them the built in excuse that they can not tell you about them. lol Yes, I believe that these are the same and I have been trying to find one for a long time. No luck as yet. I do not believe that it is possible to sustain 2% per day earnings on your investment for any length of time. Due to the nature of high risk/high yield investing, even if you get lucky for a bit, you will sooner or later get your legs cut out from under you. No one has ever been able to accomplish this type of earnings for any length of time.

Then you have the 2% compounded daily folks that really make me laugh. If 2% per day is impossible than how can they (scammers) earn you 2% compounded daily and sustain that for any length of time? They can't! lol

[Webwatch]

Thanks Pozey,
So for future reference nobody but possibly Trevor and close acclomplices know where CEP money is invested and any apparent mentioning of knowing anything is just pure speculation and should be discounted.
This affects both sides though as I have no proof that CEP funds are not being invested anywhere, but as I'm not asking anyone to invest financially in my opinion I'm not required to have this proof available.

What any potential investor in CEP needs to consider is the possibility that they are involving themselves in nothing more than a money game and the risk of losing is huge.

[Pozey]

Thanks Pozey,
So for future reference nobody but possibly Trevor and close acclomplices know where CEP money is invested and any apparent mentioning of knowing anything is just pure speculation and should be discounted.
This affects both sides though as I have no proof that CEP funds are not being invested anywhere, but as I'm not asking anyone to invest financially in my opinion I'm not required to have this proof available.

What any potential investor in CEP needs to consider is the possibility that they are involving themselves in nothing more than a money game and the risk of losing is huge.
Thank Webwatch for at least making sense with your post and being mature. You're correct, this is a risk BUT with the outstanding track record and belief in CEP, I've come to the conclusion that I'm willing to risk. I've done LOTS of DD. I haven't placed more in CEP than I can afford to lose (which I would never encourage) and I wouldn't even be involved with a company that is illegal no matter how good it was for me. I personally feel that CEP is the diamond amongst all the rocks. How many companies similar to the fortune 500 companies failed? It was probably said to most of the owners/CEO's "well, company A didn't make it so this company cannot and will not succeed." I just personally am not a fan of that thought process and don't mind taking risks because if I didn't, I would be bored and stuck in a little box. No thanks. Most of the posts here, on both sides, are strictly opinion based with no substance (facts or hard evidence). I don't have facts or real numbers on the investments. There are no facts to say CEP is paying with new money or that he's not achieving the returns. It's words against words. If you read through my other posts, you'll see how I was able to come to the conclusion that it is a viable company that I'm willing to trust with some of my monies in hopes of a greater return.

Then you have the 2% compounded daily folks that really make me laugh. If 2% per day is impossible than how can they (scammers) earn you 2% compounded daily and sustain that for any length of time? They can't!
Have you seen CEP's books in order to say that "They can't!"?

With CEP, you're not able to compound daily. You can take what you're paid after 30 days and do a new purchase with that money. So for example, he makes 2% a day for 30 days on your $200 dollars, so at the end of 30 days you'll be paid $120. At that point you decide to put the $120 in so now he's making 2% on the $200 and the $120.

Time will surely tell as it has been up to this point. Again, it's CEP's word against yours. Realistically since it's a private company, I find it to be nobody's business outside of the members but I just had some time for debate and entertainment. I most likely won't continue to post as it's not necessary because I've stated my reasons for believing in CEP and I've heard responses.. most of which haven't been very sound, in my opinion.

Talk to you soon!

GodBless.

-Pozey

[Ferret]

I don't have facts or real numbers on the investments. There are no facts to say CEP is paying with new money or that he's not achieving the returns. It's words against words. If you read through my other posts, you'll see how I was able to come to the conclusion that it is a viable company that I'm willing to trust with some of my monies in hopes of a greater return.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Securities_and_Exchange_Commission

The enforcement authority given by Congress allows the SEC to bring civil enforcement actions against individuals or companies found to have committed accounting fraud, provided false information, or engaged in insider trading or other violations of the securities law. The SEC also works with criminal law enforcement agencies to prosecute individuals and companies alike for severe offenses.

To achieve its mandate, the SEC enforces the statutory requirement that public companies submit quarterly and annual reports, as well as other periodic reports. As part of the annual reporting requirement, the company's top management must provide a narrative account in addition to the numbers called the "management discussion and analysis" which provides an overview of the previous year of operations and how the company fared in that time period. Management will usually also touch on the upcoming year, outlining future goals and approaches to new projects. In an attempt to level the playing field for all investors, the SEC maintains an online database called EDGAR (the Electronic Data Gathering, Analysis, and Retrieval system) online from which investors can access this and other information filed with the agency.
Trevor Reed and CEP claim they are abiding by SEC rules.
This is an obvious lie as you a member do not have access to
how your money has been INVESTED as required by SEC rules
and just basic common sense.
I don't think that CEP is sheilded by saying that they are private as
they just admitted nearly 3,000 new INVESTORS and say they
will open again soon.

You claim to have done LOTS of DD but I don't see any evidence
of that in your posts.
Why don't you share with us what that DD revealed.

Again, it's CEP's word against yours
Your logic is flawed.
Lets stipulate that Trevor Reed is operating a ponzi and that
there are NO real investments.
How can I prove the negative that he is NOT re-INVESTING your money?
How can I find something that doesn't exist?

The burden of proof is on Trevor Reed and CEP to show its
members where your money is INVESTED
Who would get involved with a Company that will not do this?

Pozey, you made a typo on your name, it should be PoNzey lol
You, not I have the axe to grind here as your continued income
from CEP depends upon CEP's survival.
You are a ponzi pusher on CEP forum, TalkGold and who knows
where else
I have NO stake in how this turns out.

How much money do you have in CEP PoNzey?
Click on the link below to see
CEP and Trevor Reeds FUTURE (http://www.matrixwatch.org/forums/showthread.php?t=3856)

http://www.sec.gov/complaint.shtml

SEC Center for Complaints and Enforcement Tips
Through this page you can file a complaint or provide us with tips on potential securities law violations. We welcome hearing from you because your information may alert us to a bad broker or firm, an unfair practice in the securities industry that needs to be changed, or the latest fraud.

How Do I Reach the SEC?

There are several ways to file a complaint:

Complaints - Use one of our online forms (http://www.sec.gov/complaint/selectconduct.shtml) to file your complaint electronically.
http://www.sec.gov/complaint/selectconduct.shtml

Tips - Report a potential violation of the securities laws directly to enforcement@sec.gov Please do not use this email box for general comments or questions.

[Webwatch]

Of course the trick with any Ponzi (or for arguments sake Quasi/Private Investment program ;)) is to know when to get out.

Judging by the posts on here and other forums many of the pro CEP group seem to be experienced enough to realise the risks involved and will know when to get out.

We aren't here to persuade those who regularly play these programs and know the risks otherwise, its the newbies or in CEP's case the faith motivated overtrusting religious members who will quite willingly risk their life savings in schemes of this nature and won't realise their mistake untill its to late.

Every Ponzi/Pyramid/HYIP program has its own variety of members who will post 'I've been paid' 'CEP is the best' etc in order to convice those a little more sceptical to jump in.

A ponzi scheme cannot survive without new money coming in and whether it takes months or years the end result is inevitable.
Is CEP going to be the one program that proves every nay sayer and sceptic wrong, personnaly i doubt it.

But the constant 'we are being paid it can't be a scam' announcements from a handfull of forum posters is not going to prove that everyone in CEP is being paid or more critically actually in profit (for arguments sake I cannot prove that everyone isn't being paid).

As all good Hustles/Confidence Tricks go, they all start with paying back a bit to sucker more money in but when the time comes its game over and the house wins.

[Pozey]

Originally Posted by SEC
The enforcement authority given by Congress allows the SEC to bring civil enforcement actions against individuals or companies found to have committed accounting fraud, provided false information, or engaged in insider trading or other violations of the securities law. The SEC also works with criminal law enforcement agencies to prosecute individuals and companies alike for severe offenses.

To achieve its mandate, the SEC enforces the statutory requirement that public companies submit quarterly and annual reports, as well as other periodic reports. As part of the annual reporting requirement, the company's top management must provide a narrative account in addition to the numbers called the "management discussion and analysis" which provides an overview of the previous year of operations and how the company fared in that time period. Management will usually also touch on the upcoming year, outlining future goals and approaches to new projects. In an attempt to level the playing field for all investors, the SEC maintains an online database called EDGAR (the Electronic Data Gathering, Analysis, and Retrieval system) online from which investors can access this and other information filed with the agency.
I'm not sure if we're reading the same guideline. PUBLIC COMPANIES. Try to sign up for CEP. What was the outcome? It's private. End of story. Do you know if CEP is filing with the SEC or if they're not? I didn't think so.
I don't think that CEP is sheilded by saying that they are private as
they just admitted nearly 3,000 new INVESTORS and say they
will open again soon.
Where did you read that CEP will open again soon? I haven't seen that in one location. The only things I've read are stating that it's going to remain private for a long time or indefinitely.

You claim to have done LOTS of DD but I don't see any evidence
of that in your posts.
Why don't you share with us what that DD revealed.
I've stated PLENTY of DD. Please feel free to re-read my posts.. they start on page 7 of this thread. Again, do you have any facts or hard evidence or just a theory that if one company is wrong, so are all the others? Pretty sad way to live a life if you ask me.

Your logic is flawed.
Lets stipulate that Trevor Reed is operating a ponzi and that
there are NO real investments.
How can I prove the negative that he is NOT re-INVESTING your money?
How can I find something that doesn't exist?
My logic is flawed? I'm the one involved in CEP and just stating why I am convinced it's legit. You're taking your obviously not so valuable time, to enlighten people with theories that have no substantial backing. Let me ask this, who's logic is flawed? Who is spending so much time attempting to ruin the credibility of a company that has a track record of excellence and integrity for a year and a half? On top of that, you're using absolutely no hard evidence or fact. All I've seen are immature posts that resort to name calling and comparisons of fraud to attempt at getting a point across. It's fairly sad to be honest. I, on the other hand, actually am invested in the program, and have a reason to debunk your plan.. whatever that might be. What is your goal here? To enlighten people who cannot join even if they wanted to? If your goal is to shut the program down, turn it in. We will truly see what happens. I'm simply stating why I feel that I can and will continue to invest.

The burden of proof is on Trevor Reed and CEP to show its
members where your money is INVESTED
Who would get involved with a Company that will not do this?
Around 16,000 people.
Pozey, you made a typo on your name, it should be PoNzey
You, not I have the axe to grind here as your continued income
from CEP depends upon CEP's survival.
You are a ponzi pusher on CEP forum, TalkGold and who knows
where else
I have NO stake in how this turns out.
Is this a joke? Did you really just say that? What grade are you in? I'm not depending on CEP for survival nor would I be lost without it. If you're going to attempt at making a program look flawed, please use some common sense and real proof. I've yet to see anything in regards to CEP as being illegal or wrong. I'm anxious to see some real evidence. Feel free to repeat yourself over and over with a lame hypothesis, I just don't see many people actually giving you credibility.

Talk to you soon!

GodBless.

-Pozey

[sisco50]

"Have you seen CEP's books in order to say that "They can't!"?"

No. Ofcourse not. And I am very sure you haven't seen CEP's books either. :) But I do know that those kinds of returns are not sustainable for any real length of time. Common sense alone dictates this; not to mention financial gurus world wide that say the same thing.

[Webwatch]

I'm not sure if we're reading the same guideline. PUBLIC COMPANIES. Try to sign up for CEP. What was the outcome? It's private. End of story. Do you know if CEP is filing with the SEC or if they're not? I didn't think so.

I'll have to double check but regarding the Private/Public thing I think the SEC classes a Private company as one with less than 100 members oh and it must be Private as well. If your Private one minute then Public the next you can't really be classed as private, or can you.?

Will the SEC EDGAR database be able to tell us if CEP have filed statements of accounts.

[Webwatch]

I think this is it:
http://www.sec.gov/divisions/investment/invcoreg121504.htm#P84_14584


Private Investment Companies
Many companies rely on one of the exceptions from the definition of investment company set forth in Section 3(c)(1) and Section 3(c)(7) of the Investment Company Act. These companies are commonly known as “private investment companies.” Some private investment companies are commonly known as “hedge funds.” See Staff Report to the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission: Implications of the Growth of Hedge Funds (2003).

Section 3(c)(1) excepts from the definition of investment company any issuer whose outstanding securities (other than short-term paper) are beneficially owned by not more than one hundred persons and that is not making and does not at that time propose to make a public offering of such securities.
~~

Theres more but I got bored, sorry.

Addition:
EDGAR Database search: http://www.sec.gov/edgar/searchedgar/companysearch.html

A few results for CEP but nothing matching Trevors program or details.

Tried Colonendparenthesis but nothing there either.

[Ferret]

I'm not sure if we're reading the same guideline. PUBLIC COMPANIES. Try to sign up for CEP. What was the outcome? It's private. End of story. Do you know if CEP is filing with the SEC or if they're not? I didn't think so. lol lol lol Do you think we are stoopid? :p
Anyone that wants to get into the "CLOSED PRIVATE" CEP is directed to
INVEST their money in the CEP family of Sister Sites until CEP opens again in a few months
That statement was made by a MOD on the CEP forum

http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/cep.php?page=13

CEP Coast
http://www.cepcoast.com
CEP Gives Back
http://www.cepgivesback.com
Coastin' 88
http://www.coastin88.com

I am sure that Trevor is comingling all YOUR money from
ALL the CEP sites and new websites are in the works

Also private companies committing PONZI FRAUD will be
under SEC jurisdiction
Anyway CEP is NOT a private company

[sisco50]

"Anyway CEP is NOT a private company"

I do believe that sums it up.

I was once invited to join a private investment company but when I started to join the membership was closed down due to an investigation by the SEC. I am happy I didn't join a few days earlier before the SEC got involved. :)

[Pozey]

I'll be back this afternoon to respond to some of the post that I haven't had time to get to yet. I appreciate your comments Webwatch/sisco50. I'll respond with my thoughts and opinion this evening. Just to clear the air, I appreciate people WARNING people about a possible situation with legality/scam. What I'm concerned with is complete slander. Again, I don't mind healthy debate and hearing opinions, I just don't like when someone resorts to name calling and childish behavior. Lets all just relax and have an educated *semi educated* debate. ;-)

Talk to you guys soon!

GodBless.

-Pozey

[Ferret]

"Anyway CEP is NOT a private company"

I do believe that sums it up.

I was once invited to join a private investment company but when I started to join the membership was closed down due to an investigation by the SEC. I am happy I didn't join a few days earlier before the SEC got involved. :)Hey Sisco
What was the company?
Can you give some more details
Thanks

PS:Please quote properly
Highlight the text you want to quote
then click the quote button on the menu (4th from the right)
You can then edit and add "=NAME"
takes 2 seconds and it is confusing if you don't quote, it seems
like you are saying the statement
Thanks for your input :)

[sisco50]

Hey Sisco
What was the company?
Can you give some more details
Thanks

PS:Please quote properly
Highlight the text you want to quote
then click the quote button on the menu (4th from the right)
You can then edit and add "=NAME"
takes 2 seconds and it is confusing if you don't quote, it seems
like you are saying the statement
Thanks for your input :)

Ferret,

I am at work at the moment and the info if it still exists is on my home pc. There should be some saved emails and the url in my Favorites menu. This particular company made you jump thru some hoops like getting an account opened with Safe-mail.net before you could actually become a member. I will see what I have left when I get home tonight.

[Ferret]

I appreciate people WARNING people about a possible situation with legality/scam. What I'm concerned with is complete slander. Again, I don't mind healthy debate and hearing opinions, I just don't like when someone resorts to name calling and childish behavior. Lets all just relax and have an educated *semi educated* debate. ;-)

Trevor E Reed is running a ponzi scam with CEP and sister sites

Trevor E Reed has no real investments

Trevor E Reed is taking money from new investors to pay old ones

Trevor E Reed is a lying scam artist

Trevor E Reed is an affinity fraudster

Trevor E Reed is going to steal your money

Trevor E Reed is scamming in jesus name

Trevor E Reed is lying in jesus name

Trevor E Reed is stealing in jesus name

Trevor E Reed is going to Hell (This one is a joke
as there is no hell)

Is that enough libel for you?
I can add more if you want......

Trevor E Reed will never sue me because he
would have to take dispositions and be under oath

Trevor E Reed would have to actually reveal what
he is doing with your money

The TRUTH is a perfect defense for libel
(Slander is spoken word and as usual you don't know what
you are talking about)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slander_and_libel

Truth

In many, though not all, legal systems, statements presented as fact must be false to be defamatory. Proving a defamatory statement to be true is often the best defense against a prosecution for libel.

MatrixWatch has never been wrong when it has
proclaimed a program a scam and MW says that
CEP Colon End Parenthesis is a scam.

Time will tell all.

[Pozey]

I think this is it:
http://www.sec.gov/divisions/investment/invcoreg121504.htm#P84_14584

Private Investment Companies
Many companies rely on one of the exceptions from the definition of investment company set forth in Section 3(c)(1) and Section 3(c)(7) of the Investment Company Act. These companies are commonly known as “private investment companies.” Some private investment companies are commonly known as “hedge funds.” See Staff Report to the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission: Implications of the Growth of Hedge Funds (2003).

Section 3(c)(1) excepts from the definition of investment company any issuer whose outstanding securities (other than short-term paper) are beneficially owned by not more than one hundred persons and that is not making and does not at that time propose to make a public offering of such securities.

Theres more but I got bored, sorry.

Addition:
EDGAR Database search: http://www.sec.gov/edgar/searchedgar/companysearch.html

A few results for CEP but nothing matching Trevors program or details.

Tried Colonendparenthesis but nothing there either.
Obviously we aren't lawyers and would have a hard time understanding or knowing in full what the SEC requires. I do know that Trevor has a lawyer on retainer and I'm sure that he's looked or is looking into the SEC regulations. After speaking with his lawyer they were able to change CEP from "place money in the system in hopes of a greater return" into a true investment company and using the term investment loosely. That just shows me that they actively looked into the SEC and the regulations therein. I'm honestly not very knowledgable on the SEC or the regulations so I cannot say either way. I'm just trusting that CEP's lawyer is qualified to deal with this type of company. Valid argument though. Do you know if being registered in Belize has any effect on this discussion? I'm curious as to what effect that has on an investment company.

FYI:
Important Note about the Scope of the Information Provided in this Package

This Package is intended to serve as a general guide only. It is not a comprehensive manual on the regulation of investment companies, investment company service providers, or related entities. This Package is not intended to provide formal or binding legal advice of the Commission or the staff and is not a substitute for, and may not be relied on instead of, the actual federal securities laws and the advice of legal counsel. If you intend to start an investment company, or have legal questions regarding the regulation of investment companies or similar companies, you must consult the applicable statutes and rules. Frequently, you also will need to consult interpretive guidance (e.g., legislative history, Commission releases, and no-action letters). We further recommend that you consult with an attorney and with a certified public accountant with experience under the federal securities laws. This Package was prepared by the SEC staff. The Commission has expressed no views regarding its content.
"Anyway CEP is NOT a private company"

I do believe that sums it up.

I was once invited to join a private investment company but when I started to join the membership was closed down due to an investigation by the SEC. I am happy I didn't join a few days earlier before the SEC got involved.
I haven't heard of any pending investigations on CEP from the SEC/IRS/FBI. You can find my thoughts on the authorities in this post. (http://www.matrixwatch.org/forums/showpost.php?p=52124&postcount=162) Reading through the posts of Trevor and co, I firmly believe that if that were the case, we would hear about it. I'm personally not affraid of an investigation as I feel that if they are legit with the investments (as CEP has said since 2005), the government would give them time to acquire the correct licenses (if they don't have them already). That said, feel free to turn them in if you're concerned about the welfare of people investing into CEP. I don't think that it would convince anyone here but do whatever you feel is necessary.

Trevor E Reed is running a ponzi scam with CEP and sister sites

Trevor E Reed has no real investments

Trevor E Reed is taking money from new investors to pay old ones

Trevor E Reed is a lying scam artist

Trevor E Reed is an affinity fraudster

Trevor E Reed is going to steal your money

Trevor E Reed is scamming in jesus name

Trevor E Reed is lying in jesus name

Trevor E Reed is stealing in jesus name

Trevor E Reed is going to Hell (This one is a joke
as there is no hell)
If I were Trevor, I would use the lawyer I have on retainer and go after you legally. You're correct, it isn't slander against me personally, but it is directed at Trevor Reed personally. You would be in a tough situation were he to pursue you legally. I'm sure by this point no one takes you seriously but that wouldn't stop me, personally, but I'm not Trevor.
MatrixWatch has never been wrong when it has
proclaimed a program a scam and MW says that
CEP Colon End Parenthesis is a scam.
How many companies have you said were scams that turned out to be scams? The highest number of people on this site simultaneously was over a year ago and it was only 365 people. I'm sorry, but MatrixWatch isn't something to be that excited about. You did make me laugh though. Thanks!

I do agree with you all, time will surely tell.

For those who have recently joined the conversation, you can find the beginning of the discussion on page 7 of this thread. (http://www.matrixwatch.org/forums/showthread.php?t=5320&page=7)

GodBless.

-Pozey

[Webwatch]

Obviously we aren't lawyers and would have a hard time understanding or knowing in full what the SEC requires.I can only speak for myself but you are correct I am not a lawyer although I wouldn't admit to being one anway as it bears no relevance in this virtual environment.
I do know that Trevor has a lawyer on retainer and I'm sure that he's looked or is looking into the SEC regulations. After speaking with his lawyer they were able to change CEP from "place money in the system in hopes of a greater return" into a true investment company and using the term investment loosely. That just shows me that they actively looked into the SEC and the regulations therein.Caution here, unless you where actually at the meeting or have met with Trevors lawyer or received a sworn statement from this alleged lawyer then we have no proof one excists. As far as using the term Investment loosely, it could be considered so loose that it might actually fall off and reveal the word Ponzi.
I'm honestly not very knowledgable on the SEC or the regulations so I cannot say either way. I'm just trusting that CEP's lawyer is qualified to deal with this type of company. Valid argument though. Do you know if being registered in Belize has any effect on this discussion? I'm curious as to what effect that has on an investment company.I'm not that knowledgeable in how the SEC operates either but the rules and regulations in place should be adhered to by every public investment company.

Where does Belize come into this as I thought CEP was a kentucky registered operation:
http://apps.sos.ky.gov/business/obdb/(4d0aycvqghcnbr55e44hys45)/OBDBDisplayImage.aspx?id=641791
Notice the signatures at the bottom of the page, now I hate to critise peoples handwriting as mine is awfull but notice the way Trevor seems to have pressed very hard on the paper to produce his while Claytons signatures both seem to have a number of variences in them, also how many people include their middle initial in their signature this could make one question if these where real names at all -but thats just pure speculation of course.

I haven't heard of any pending investigations on CEP from the SEC/IRS/FBI. You can find my thoughts on the authorities in this post. Reading through the posts of Trevor and co, I firmly believe that if that were the case, we would hear about it. I'm personally not affraid of an investigation as I feel that if they are legit with the investments (as CEP has said since 2005), the government would give them time to acquire the correct licenses (if they don't have them already). That said, feel free to turn them in if you're concerned about the welfare of people investing into CEP. I don't think that it would convince anyone here but do whatever you feel is necessary. Its unlikely CEP would hear of any investigation untill it was to late and as supposedly everyone is being paid who's going to complain. If any licenses do appear it would certainley be a welcome development in the CEP saga.

How many companies have you said were scams that turned out to be scams? The highest number of people on this site simultaneously was over a year ago and it was only 365 people. I'm sorry, but MatrixWatch isn't something to be that excited about. You did make me laugh though. Thanks! Well as track records go Matrixwatch has a pretty good one, I can't speak for admin but I'm sure we must be at well close to 100%.
I must admit we may not be as big as the MMG's and Talkgolds of the internet but we have our place usually in directing victims of scams complaints to the correct authorities.
Maybe its the quality over quantity approach that makes us unique although theres another point that could be argued for some time.

One things for sure CEP would have a hard time trying to use Paypal as a payment provider.

[sisco50]

Unless something has changed just recently, CEP will have to register with the SEC and aquire a license in every state they want to do business in because they are taking in investment monies, regardless of CEP location. Kentucky or Belize, makes no differemce. I understand there are several locations actually.

[Pozey]

Caution here, unless you where actually at the meeting or have met with Trevors lawyer or received a sworn statement from this alleged lawyer then we have no proof one excists. As far as using the term Investment loosely, it could be considered so loose that it might actually fall off and reveal the word Ponzi.
Well, I have made the decision to believe it. You're correct, until I have received a sworn statement, I won't know 100% for sure. I better get written proof that every single worker put each bolt on my $35,000 car really tight. Can never be too careful right?! ;-) Again, if you have a problem with CEP, turn it in. The results will show over time.
Where does Belize come into this as I thought CEP was a kentucky registered operation:
http://apps.sos.ky.gov/business/obdb/(4d0aycvqghcnbr55e44hys45)/OBDBDisplayImage.aspx?id=641791
Notice the signatures at the bottom of the page, now I hate to critise peoples handwriting as mine is awfull but notice the way Trevor seems to have pressed very hard on the paper to produce his while Claytons signatures both seem to have a number of variences in them, also how many people include their middle initial in their signature this could make one question if these where real names at all -but thats just pure speculation of course.
It's actually registered in Belize which you can look at here:
http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/cepholdings.php
All of these conspiracy theories. You know those com trails from planes in the sky.. that's really poison so the economy will go up when everyone has to go to the doctors. ;-) Again, from the excellent track record CEP has had since 2005, I personally believe it is a completely legit company with a great admin. To see my reasons for being convinced of CEO's legitemacy, you can start reading my posts from page 7 found here:
http://www.matrixwatch.org/forums/showthread.php?t=5320&page=7
If you're unhappy with CEP or feel they're running a scam, send them an email or call them. If you think they're illegal, turn them in. The results will show over time.
Its unlikely CEP would hear of any investigation untill it was to late and as supposedly everyone is being paid who's going to complain. If any licenses do appear it would certainley be a welcome development in the CEP saga.
Well, you can attempt at speeding up the process. Maybe you can get a few people to join in with you here so it actually seems like a relevant complaint. I assume we shall see if they'll listen to the conspiracy theories from people outside the company. ;-) The results will show over time.
Well as track records go Matrixwatch has a pretty good one, I can't speak for admin but I'm sure we must be at well close to 100%.
I must admit we may not be as big as the MMG's and Talkgolds of the internet but we have our place usually in directing victims of scams complaints to the correct authorities.
Maybe its the quality over quantity approach that makes us unique although theres another point that could be argued for some time.

One things for sure CEP would have a hard time trying to use Paypal as a payment provider.
So MatrixWatch has been close to 100%. How many scams have they been right on? I know the one everyone here is excited about is the YMMSS scam and how they "saw it coming and warned everyone". It didn't take a genius to see that coming. It was a cycler. Again, I choose to believe in CEP and the admin. They've been nothing but flawless in a year and a half. I find that incredible on a business end. You won't find one person complaining within the company of not being paid. They've had months where the payout was greater than the income. They survived Stormpay. They have a maximum on the amount you can have with each account. It's not a "get rich quick" scenario. As a matter of fact, it would take quite awhile to be considered "rich" after maxing out with CEP.. at least in my world.

If you all are SO convinced it's a scam or illegal, why haven't you turned them in or asked the proper authorities to take a look? I don't mind.

Talk to you all soon!

GodBless.

-Pozey

[Ferret]

So MatrixWatch has been close to 100%. How many scams have they been right on? I know the one everyone here is excited about is the YMMSS scam and how they "saw it coming and warned everyone". It didn't take a genius to see that coming. It was a cycler. Again, I choose to believe in CEP and the admin. They've been nothing but flawless in a year and a half. I find that incredible on a business end. You won't find one person complaining within the company of not being paid. They've had months where the payout was greater than the income. They survived Stormpay. They have a maximum on the amount you can have with each account. It's not a "get rich quick" scenario. As a matter of fact, it would take quite awhile to be considered "rich" after maxing out with CEP.. at least in my world.

If you all are SO convinced it's a scam or illegal, why haven't you turned them in or asked the proper authorities to take a look? I don't mind.
Great suggestion and I already reported CEP and Trevor Reed
to the SEC. I still have to follow up with them in Atlanta

I would hardly describe CEP and Trevor Reeds performance as flawless lol
You forget that anyone can read the CEP forum and I get the
impression that even though they have paid so far that they are
bumbling through and on the ragged edge.
Look at their membership numbers for 2006, they were only at

Originally Posted by May 29, 2006
Members: 651
Verified: 629
Invested: $70,230.09
Paid Out: $49,509.58
Levels 1,2: $66,057.09

Unfortuneately The Way Back Machine stopped there but I
suspect that the increase in members and money was very recent
Read the CEP forum to see the many problems they are having now.

Your quote about CEP surviving Stormpay is ridiculous as they only
had a tiny membership then
Originally Posted by Jan 31, 2006
Members: 117
Verified: 93
Invested: $7213.5
Paid Out: $1548.5
Levels 1,2: $3566
How could they not survive?
That is pocket change lol lol :p

As for the maximum amount you can have with each account
that is more crap as I see many families having an account for
the husband, wife, kids and a business account too lol
All that is allowed and even encouraged by CEP

It is definitely a "get rich quick" scenario as there is nowhere in
the real world you can get even close to 720% per year lol

PoNzey, You don't KNOW anything about what Trevor Reed is up to.
You "believe" and that is a word along with "faith" that I never
use in conjunction with business

It doesn't take a genius to see how this Ponzi Scam by Trevor Reed
is going to end.

[Pozey]

There's obviously not going to be convincing on either end. My point was to say my thoughts on CEP and why I believe it's legitimate. I feel I've accomplished that and from this point forward would only be repetition. Not one of us will be able to proove anything factual, however, time will be the one which decides the fate of CEP. If I happen to be wrong, I'll be man enough to admit it. I don't know if that would be the case here but time will tell that as well I assume. That said, you won't be seeing me around here any longer. You've done your part on turning them in so we'll see what happens over time. Thanks for the entertainment, I thoroughly enjoyed conversing with all of you.

Have a great weekend!

PM me if you'd like to discuss anything further.

Talk to you all later.

GodBless.

-Pozey

[sisco50]

There's obviously not going to be convincing on either end. My point was to say my thoughts on CEP and why I believe it's legitimate. I feel I've accomplished that and from this point forward would only be repetition. Not one of us will be able to proove anything factual, however, time will be the one which decides the fate of CEP. If I happen to be wrong, I'll be man enough to admit it. I don't know if that would be the case here but time will tell that as well I assume. That said, you won't be seeing me around here any longer. You've done your part on turning them in so we'll see what happens over time. Thanks for the entertainment, I thouroughly enjoyed conversing with all of you.

Have a great weekend! PM me if you'd like to discuss anything further.

Talk to you all later.

GodBless.

-Pozey

Unfortunately the authorities are slow in acting until there is a crash and burn scenario and the complaints start to pile up by the thousands from the membership who have lost all their invested funds.

You mentioned a year and a half of operations that have increased membership and payments met on time. This is nothing new in the ponzi/scam arena. I have seen these things go three and four years before the inevitable crash. But crash they do! :(

[easyrider60]

Great suggestion and I already reported CEP and Trevor Reed
to the SEC. I still have to follow up with them in Atlanta

Hey ferret,

Haven't talked to your boy pn have you? He has already notified the FTC,FBI and SEC so no big deal. All of which have already looked at CEP when stormpay screwed thousands of people out of millions of dollars.Funny, they didn't seem to shut them down either. Resh has already given you some answers to investments that you asked about but seems you don't like the answers. I have already given you the answers of all the screen prints you have been pasting from the home page on the figures.

Have a great day..I know I will..Oh newbie me, just made another deposit in my bank account..Oh I forgot, I am not supposed to get paid as a newbie. Guess they screwed up.

[Ferret]

Welcome to our newest member, Moboking

http://www.matrixwatch.org/forums/member.php?u=6658
Moboking one of the main promoters of the CEP scam just
signed up to MW........
Moboking read the CEP thread then this one
12daily charged with securities fraud
http://www.matrixwatch.org/forums/showthread.php?t=3856

Hey Moboking
That is exactly what is going to happen to Trevor Reed and CEP
The SEC are going to get them SOON :p

PS: Take those 2 scam promoting banners out of your signature
Read the rules about what is allowed on MatrixWatch
You are on the wrong site to promote that junk :rolleyes:

[mercinary]

I haven't been following this thread at all, but I have a general comment....202 posts. I'm guessing that this thread is slightly off the topic that started this thread. Might I consider new threads being started as different angles are discussed? Most newbies don't want to read through 200+ posts to get all the info they need. :)

-Merc

[siska]

Hello Ferret
I read some (yours)post about CEP scam -author Ferret.
My quescent is Are you payd advertiser for this program?
You know more Negativity about this CEP program MORE people Want
to join:) or get info about it
I don't know how much You get paid promote CEP but I thing I will
check that.
I just hope I can get In.
Thank You Ferret

Please Ferret post your link I want join Your downline in CEP.

[077770]

CEP is NOT a SCAM. I have been involved with CEP for over 18 months. I have been paid hundreds of times. I get over $20,000 in direct deposits to my checking account monthly. I report this money as income for tax purposes. CEP is NOT a ponzi. They DO NOT use new member funds to pay old members. They diversify funds and invest in a wide variety of things. It's absolutely preposterous to call CEP a scam. For honest opinions, check forums like MoneyMakerGroup and read the testimonies of the people who have been involved since November 2005.

[sisco50]

CEP is NOT a SCAM. I have been involved with CEP for over 18 months. I have been paid hundreds of times. I get over $20,000 in direct deposits to my checking account monthly. I report this money as income for tax purposes. CEP is NOT a ponzi. They DO NOT use new member funds to pay old members. They diversify funds and invest in a wide variety of things. It's absolutely preposterous to call CEP a scam. For honest opinions, check forums like MoneyMakerGroup and read the testimonies of the people who have been involved since November 2005.

Now there's an oxymoron if I ever heard one. hehehehehe

[concerned]

CEP is NOT a SCAM. I have been involved with CEP for over 18 months. I have been paid hundreds of times. I get over $20,000 in direct deposits to my checking account monthly.

Oh, well, we didn't know that YOU were in CEP. That changes everything. Since you are a member, and you have been paid, then it must not be a scam. As long as someone has been paid, it isn't a scam. I guess we need to go back to the thousands of scams we labled as scams and change our opinion, cause on almost all of them, someone got paid. Sorry, I didn't know the dictionary said as long as 1 person gets paid, it is not a scam.

I report this money as income for tax purposes. CEP is NOT a ponzi. They DO NOT use new member funds to pay old members.

Prove that they don't use new money.

They diversify funds and invest in a wide variety of things.

Please tell us where the money is invested. They never tell anyone where the money is invested, which is against the law according to the SEC. Every investment opportunity MUST provide full disclosure. Therefor, it should be easy for them to show us how the money is invested to produce such massive returns.

It's absolutely preposterous to call CEP a scam. For honest opinions, check forums like MoneyMakerGroup and read the testimonies of the people who have been involved since November 2005.

Oh, so not only are you (a nameless person) an authority on scams, but you want us to believe Money Maker Group? Saying they have an honest opinion is an oximoron. Let me tell you something about that site. That is where we learn about most of the scams on the internet today. If there is a scam on the internet, it is advertised on that site, so just the fact that you point us there makes me more convinced that it is a scam. Thanks a lot.

Here are some statistics on that wonderful site you refer us to for honest opinions:

TOTAL POSTS: 3,929,517

TOTAL POSTS IN THE Closed, Inactive & Offline HYIPs (AKA SCAMS) CATEGORY: 2,639,158

PERCENTAGE OF POSTS LISTED AS BAD PROGRAMS: OVER 67%

That is not a good statistic.

[Webwatch]

For honest opinions, check forums like MoneyMakerGroup
lol
Funniest thing I have seen Today, this phrase is just crying out to be used as a signature. :)

I'd be more tempted to believe Trevor than an MMG thread.

[077770]

I agree, MMG is total crap. I'd probably have a lot more money had I not ever gotten involved with all the "scams" there....although in that world, "scam" is actually the oxymoron.Look, at least the CEP post at MMG has 18 months of history. History of people who are actually involved, not just speculating. I'm just saying, get opinions from some of the 15,000 CEP members, or better yet, an opinion of one of some of the first few thousand members. Certain people are out to bring everybody down, and listening to them isn't good for anyone.

In December of 2005 when I was eating out of garbage cans and could barely pay my bills....do you know why decided to get involved with CEP? Faith. The original domain name for CEP was HealInJesusName.ws - now the site had weak appearance, it was cheesy, but I got the message that these people are honest and caring. It wasn't the religion that sold me. I'm not into crazy Christian Jesus BullSHt. Yahshua and Miriam were far greater than the blasphemous Christian church will ever care to admit.I joined CEP because I knew the owners were honest, peaceful, loving, caring individuals with an intent to secure the financial security of the individual members.
how did I know this? I just did. OK. That's Life. The site was started by a couple of college kids. They're really nice. Seem to have great hearts. And they're really into Jesus. God Bless Em. They're helping tens of thousands of people to get insanely exponential returns. Give 'em a friggin' brake
CEP originally diversified funds into AutoSurfs. At the time, the majority of the people involved with Matrix, MLM, HYIP, AutoSurf were losing money exponentially. CEP began as a way for people to benefit from AutoSurfs without having to be involved....without actually having to join, invest, and surf. CEP took the funds received, diversified among other autosurfs, websites, etc...and paid a portion of the profits to the members. Over time, CEP was able to get into more legitimate, off-line investments securing returns much higher than the 60% monthly for 12 months being paid out to members. So, in addition to the 720% being returned to members, CEP is also able to profit. CEP also maintains reserves, so if current investments fail, they are still able to pay out members.You want proof? I don't have any. Sorry. I don't need any. I'm satisfied. I don't know anything about what they are required to disclose. They're not based in the US. And frankly whatever it is that CEP is doing with the members money is none of your damn business. CEP is diversifying funds, they're doing a good job, and thats good enough for me.

These are real, honest, loving people.

Chill Out - Have Some Faith - Peace

[Ferret]

lol
Funniest thing I have seen Today, this phrase is just crying out to be used as a signature. :)

I'd be more tempted to believe Trevor than an MMG thread.
I challenge anyone to find even one "opportunity" on
MMG that isn't a scam.......

Trevor E Reed only posts on MMG and that is where CEP sprang
from.
Trevor E Reeds MMG forum name is : loveinjesusname lol :D :p

I lost a great deal of money, actually, in the first few autosurfs I was in. I was frustrated and about to give up when I finally started to "get it". As I was driving around visiting my family in Pennsylvania, the Lord laid it on my heart to start a company that would help keep others from being burned the way I had been burned. After doing a great deal of number crunching, something I had become quite good at, CEP was born on November 4th, 2005
Trevor E Reeds financial expertise comes from loosing money in autosurfs until
he figured out that the real way to make money was to be the
scammer instead of the scammed lol :D :p

April 20, 2007
Members: 13,936
Verified: 10,959
Purchased: $12,606,298.81
Paid Out: $9,438,183.36
Levels 1,2: $12,598,891.80

May 05 2007
Members: 16,713 Increased 2,777
Verified: 13,144
Purchased: $18,311,408.26
Paid Out: $14,431,506.22
Levels 1,2: $18,304,001.25 Increased $5,705,110

May 07, 2007
Members: 16,713
Verified: 13,156 Increased 12
Purchased: $18,672,448.97
Paid Out: $14,985,046.69
Levels 1,2: $18,665,041.96 Increased $361,040

May 10, 2007
Members: 16,713
Verified: 13,183 Increased 27
Purchased: $19,292,181.99
Paid Out: $15,524,888.83
Levels 1,2: $19,284,774.98 Increased $619,733

May 14, 2007 morning
Members: 16,713
Verified: 13,211 Increased 28
Purchased: $20,015,639.49
Paid Out: $16,516,247.94
Levels 1,2: $20,008,232.48 Increased $723,458

May 14, 2007 afternoon
Members: 16,713
Verified: 13,225
Purchased: $20,085,088.28
Paid Out: $16,512,975.48
Levels 1,2: $20,077,681.27

May 14, 2007 afternoon later
Members: 16,713
Verified: 13,225
Purchased: $20,087,193.28
Paid Out: $16,512,975.48
Levels 1,2: $20,079,786.27

[077770]

lol :D :p

It is most unfortunate that you are choosing to express your hatred and fear in such a way. But that's ok. We Love You. All emotions come from love or fear. What guides you, brother Ferret?

may peace be with you

[Ferret]

It is most unfortunate that you are choosing to express your hatred and fear in such a way. But that's ok. We Love You. All emotions come from love or fear. What guides you, brother Ferret?

may peace be with youI am guided by truth and have been
exposing scammers like Trevor Reed for most of my life.
Scammers are despicable but scammers like Trevor Reed that use
Faith Fraud are the lowest of the low......
I have NO FEAR and you aren't my brother, personal insult removed by Administrator (you know better Ferret)

may Trevor E Reed, Clayton and cohorts end up in Club Fed

You are blinded by greed

What is your name on the CEP forum?

How much money do you have in CEP?

[077770]

in an industry of "scams" the greatest threat to honest companies that remain "unofficial" investments is prejudicial false claims made by ravenous individuals in an attempt to prove false truths. The supposed "truth" is finally exposed when said individuals successfully encourage a chain of events resulting in certain authorities to cease all funds and close the company. Only then can they say, "Look, I was right...all those people got scammed"

this thread is a scam

[Ferret]

Even the new users know in their hearts that its too good to be true.....
and you know what they say about that lol

When will the bubble burst?

http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2876&sid=a8d62a942d18262488cd97317317c71e

thedarita
Joined: 23 Mar 2007
Posts: 1
Location: USA
Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 5:34 pm Post subject: Newcomer Needs Reassurance

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Hi,
This my first post although I have been devouring all the information I read on everyone else's post.

Whenever I log in to CEP from a different computer, I am told to go to my email and retrieve a special code to use to enter my site. Tonight when I did that there was no email; therefore I could not log in. That's kind of scary because I still have to pinch myself when I receive a check from CEP; it's almost too good to be true and I keep waiting for the bubble to burst. I also tried to call the number on the Contact Us page tonight and got a "not in service" message. Again kind of scary, although I had another number to call and was able to leave a message.

Does anyone know what's going on???
Thanks,
New to this Miracle!

[Ferret]

I haven't been following this thread at all, but I have a general comment....202 posts. I'm guessing that this thread is slightly off the topic that started this thread. Might I consider new threads being started as different angles are discussed? Most newbies don't want to read through 200+ posts to get all the info they need. :)

-Merc
No, it isn't off topic at all and 82 of those posts are mine
Remember that the Kanosis threads had 20+? pages before a second
thread got started

It is time that Colon End Parenthesis : CEP : Religious based scam had
its very own forum dedicated to it just like its evil twin YMMSS / STAy
I think they were separated at birth....:p

[Ferret]

Colon End Parenthesis is NOT a private company and we have
already proven that here in this thread

CEP will be opening again SOON as the ponzi and Trevor Reed need
new blood (MONEY)

You can hide but the SEC knows where to find you Trevor Reed.
You may have registered CEP Holdings in BELIZE but you live
and are doing business in the U S of A

http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/cep.php?page=10#123

Updating the site - 05/14/2007 4:02:29 pm

Hello, Everyone! :-) We are updating the look of the site as per counsel that we at CEP Holdings, INC have received. All members will be able to login and view their account information, but none of the site information or site statistics will not[SIC] be publicly available since Colon End Parenthesis is a private company and is not open for new membership. Thanks, as always, for being a part of us here at CEP! Take care until next time! :-) CEP Holdings, INC

http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2879&sid=995c81dbabc09023af8aca2ecde16071

PoNzey
Joined: 21 Feb 2007
Posts: 148
Location: Saint Louis, MO
Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 7:21 pm Post subject: Thoughts Please.

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This is the most recent update people will receive as you can see it on the front of the site right now.

I just wanted to know what everyone thought about this.

GodBless.

-PoNzey

**It'd be nice to get more details within this thought process as in SEC regulations and reasons etc. I have some thoughts but I don't know if it'd be a great idea to share them publicily

ondra
Joined: 24 Feb 2007
Posts: 55
Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 8:44 pm Post subject:

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PoNzey
I thing why Not contact administration Trevor etc before you post something about SEC regulation
You know ferret from matrix watch just wait to start some BS.
I thing best bet is contact Trevor and after that It's your choice.

Quote:
Hello, Everyone! Smile We are updating the look of the site as per counsel that we at CEP Holdings, INC have received. All members will be able to login and view their account information, but none of the site information or site statistics will not be publicly available since Colon End Parenthesis is a private company and is not open for new membership. Thanks, as always, for being a part of us here at CEP! Take care until next time! Smile CEP Holdings, INC

And I don't see any problem with that info.
I thing we have many CEP members here right now who can ask some
quiescent[SIC] If they have any problems- directly to administrator etc.
Pozey I am actually surprise You post something like this??
Pozey worst thing in Chris mass shoping is Yell FIRE-Fire.
Shoping mall will charge you for that.
But It is your call

And I hope you will be NOT suprisse this post show on Matrix Witch. lol
I just hope ferret get some help soon poor thing :rolleyes:

Pozey
Joined: 21 Feb 2007
Posts: 148
Location: Saint Louis, MO
Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 9:47 pm Post subject:

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Everyone here should know how supportive I am of CEP. I feel so blessed and honored to be working with Trevor and crew. The main reason I used the letters SEC is to remind people not to write any thoughts that people would try to use against us. Again, it's not something to be scared of, but people are using everything posted in the forums as "weapons" against this great program. Believe me, I have only the best in mind here and I personally know that Trevor/admin know this. If you were to read through my posts, you would recognize this. I'm the one fighting alone a lot of times if you haven't noticed.

I am more than proud to be considered part of the CEP "family". Also remember that most of us are God fearing people, as well as Trevor, and we have absolutely NO problem in being legit with every law there is in the US.

I love you all.. know this.

GodBless.

-PoNzey

**Anyone who feels the need to explain my dedication to CEP can feel free to back me up.

http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2874&sid=26a8a63bb0ffa50874919d7612127c5c

Executive
Joined: 04 Dec 2006
Posts: 714
Location: California
Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 8:41 pm Post subject:

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There have been updates writen by CEPeople other than Trevor in the past.

I think the reason behind the letter is to tell us that they will soon be removing the site statistics from public view. That includes the fact that C.E.P. surpassed the $20 million mark in sales to members the other day. It also lists the breakdown between how much money is in Levels 1 & 2 along with how much was withdrawn / paid in total to members ($16.5 million+).

Although we don't need that information, it is nice to know once in a while. I wonder if they plan to move those stats into our member areas?

wfischer8
Joined: 21 Apr 2007
Posts: 4
Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 9:20 pm Post subject:

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I found it reassuring. It tells me that their legal counsel is working to keep things legal and in compliance.
The Ferret found it another admission of consciousness of guilt and trying to hide information from the SEC

PoNzey
Joined: 21 Feb 2007
Posts: 148
Location: Saint Louis, MO
Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 9:52 pm Post subject:

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I was actually one who wrote to explain why I would, as a business, change the wording a bit for the sake of security with all of the publicity and bad press with these opportunities. I obviously will not go into detail here but I consistently am doing research on this type of business.. daily.

One amazing quality with our admin is that they recognize they don't know everything and are willing to adjust according to what's best. This in itself could create the longevity we all desire. If we're continuing to put our heads together, we'll be able to make this something that will change the face of this business.

GodBless.

-PoNzey

Looks like Ferrets drive vermin into holes as well as chase them out

[mercinary]

It is time that Colon End Parenthesis : CEP : Religious based scam had
its very own forum dedicated to it...

If you took my advice and had more than one thread, maybe we could consider a whole forum for the topic. Currently one or two threads on a subject doesn't warrant a whole new forum. :)

-Merc

[concerned]

Executive
Joined: 04 Dec 2006
Posts: 714
Location: California
Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 8:41 pm Post subject:

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There have been updates writen by CEPeople other than Trevor in the past.

I think the reason behind the letter is to tell us that they will soon be removing the site statistics from public view. That includes the fact that C.E.P. surpassed the $20 million mark in sales to members the other day. It also lists the breakdown between how much money is in Levels 1 & 2 along with how much was withdrawn / paid in total to members ($16.5 million+).

Although we don't need that information, it is nice to know once in a while. I wonder if they plan to move those stats into our member areas?

This post proves that it is a scam. If they claim to be paying out 2% per day, then why haven't they paid out more than they have received? If everyone is making a profit, then shouldn't the payout be MORE than the income?

[deadgrassdog]

This post proves that it is a scam. If they claim to be paying out 2% per day, then why haven't they paid out more than they have received? If everyone is making a profit, then shouldn't the payout be MORE than the income?

Hello Concerned... The above info is not correct. CEP has paid out more than it has taken in on several occasions.

[Ferret]

http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/

Colon End Parenthesis is a private program and is closed to new membership.
Current members can click here to login.


lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol

http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2874&sid=cc62ae32b52df58eb7b5a78a99ed249e

opalman
Joined: 08 Mar 2007
Posts: 87
Location: PA
Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 4:58 am Post subject:

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PoNzey wrote:
I'd enjoy hearing more details on why and what caused them to need to go private. It seemed a bit cloudy and for the first time it wasn't from Trevor. Odd.

GodBless.

-PoNzey



One of the main reasons for the site change is that a lot of the info was being cut and pasted into some of the other forums for neg comments as was a lot of the posts that are placed in the forum.

There are those out there that want to do any harm they can to CEP because they are predicting it's failure but can't back it up with fact so are trying anything and everything they can. The fact that CEP is running and doing just great, which goes against their prediction, has them a little POed so to speak.

I for one will welcome any or all of this program except for the pages that state what we are and our program info and paid info comments going private.

Been noticeing that once everyone quits posting there trying to defend CEP the threads seem to die. CEP speaks for itself and doesn't need defending IMOP.
_________________
CEP = FREEDOM for all who believe !


Kwiltedmusic
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Posts: 9
Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 5:22 am Post subject: This is a step into the future

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The way I see it, this is another move toward Trevors big goal of becoming a bank. As for the Coasting sites, I like what was said about putting a more professional face on them to attract big corporations. The coast sites may very well become a part of large corporations marketing strategy with budget set aside for the Coast sites. Wouldn't that rule.

BTW, I am supposed to get my first withdrawl to CEPTrust today. Bummer that trust is a bit lagging today. O well, I am learning patience.

Kwilted
_________________
Kwiltedmusic

This will be Colon End Parenthesis and Trevor Reeds Fate (http://www.matrixwatch.org/forums/showthread.php?t=4770)

"This case illustrates the danger of promoters who solicit investments by promising exorbitant returns," said Walter Ricciardi, SEC Enforcement Division Deputy Director. "The Commission is committed to taking aggressive action to protect investors from such schemes."

Remember that there is help out there if you feel you have been taken by a scheme that promsies "exorbitant" returns ...

originally posted from:
http://www.sec.gov/news/press/2006/2006-173.htm

SEC Files Emergency Action to Halt $30 Million Ponzi Scheme
Assets Frozen, Receiver Appointed in Atlanta-Based Scam
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
2006-173

Washington, D.C., Oct. 12, 2006 - The Securities and Exchange Commission yesterday filed emergency securities fraud charges against an Atlanta promoter to halt a Ponzi scheme that raised at least $30 million from approximately 2,000 investors in fraudulent real estate development partnerships. The Commission's complaint against Pinnacle Development Partners LLC, a Georgia limited liability company with its principal place of business in Atlanta, Ga., and Gene A. O'Neal, its managing member, was filed in the Northern District of Georgia.

The Court entered an order freezing the defendants' assets, appointing a receiver for Pinnacle and investor partnerships controlled by Pinnacle, imposing a preliminary injunction against the defendants enjoining future violations of the registration and antifraud provisions of the federal securities laws, and providing other relief. The defendants consented to the order without admitting or denying the allegations in the complaint.

"This case illustrates the danger of promoters who solicit investments by promising exorbitant returns," said Walter Ricciardi, SEC Enforcement Division Deputy Director. "The Commission is committed to taking aggressive action to protect investors from such schemes."

The Commission alleges that, from at least October 2005 through the present, Pinnacle and O'Neal have fraudulently offered and sold interests in real estate development partnerships through a nationwide advertising campaign, which included general solicitations for investors in more that 40 magazines and newspapers. Pinnacle also sold notes to some investors. According to the complaint, Pinnacle promised investors a 25% return in 45 or 60 days, and a second 25% return and the return of investor capital after 90 days. Pinnacle represented that the profits would be earned by the respective partnership purchasing foreclosed real estate, making minor repairs and reselling the property within 45 to 60 days. The Commission alleged that, in fact, without disclosure to investors, Pinnacle itself, or O'Neal, purchased property from third parties and sold it to its investor partnerships at high mark-ups. The exorbitant returns promised to investors were generated by the respective partnership selling the property to other investor partnerships controlled by Pinnacle.

# # #
For more information, contact:

William P. Hicks
District Trial Counsel
(404) 842-7675

[077770]

This post proves that it is a scam. If they claim to be paying out 2% per day, then why haven't they paid out more than they have received? If everyone is making a profit, then shouldn't the payout be MORE than the income?
actually, no. you're incorrect. anyone care to explain this? I can't handle this crap anymore.

[easyrider60]

actually, no. you're incorrect. anyone care to explain this? I can't handle this crap anymore.


077770,

Don't bother posting here as all the ferret wants is a higher goggle search rating. They aren't worth your time and they are always right (in their minds,) no matter what you say...

Ferret, I see your cut and paste is improving.. Teacher may give you an A+ on your report card...You haven't a clue as to what you are showing from the home page prints..( but the numbers do prove a point..that they are making more than paying out, and not from new members as it's closed so the increase is a good thing) You may THINK you know what they mean, but as all your worthless cut and paste adventures your wrong in your assumtion as always. After much riding by the members of CEP, your cut and paste days are over there and you will have to get your wild ideas and spectulations from another source.

Colon End Parenthesis is a private program and is closed to new membership.
Current members can click here to login.

Have a good day in your rat hole or whatever hole you have your nose in today ( * ) or the rock you just crawled out from under....ahhh another one hits the bank, isn't life grand when you don't have your head in a dark hole.

[Ferret]

http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/forum/

NOT closed :p

layton
Moderator
Joined: 05 Jan 2007
Posts: 486
Location: Houston, Texas
Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 10:05 am Post subject:

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Well, happy days, it is now private, unless some one that is a member C&P a post, there will not be any public knowledge about what we talk about.

Layton
_________________
If at first you don't succeed, try and try again
CAN'T NEVER DID ANYTHING, CAN DO DID lol :D :p

http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:TsqhR7dKW88J:www.colonendparenthesi s.net/+Colon+End+Parenthesis&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

[concerned]

Hello Concerned... The above info is not correct. CEP has paid out more than it has taken in on several occasions.

Deadgrassdog

They ONLY paid out more on SEVERAL OCCASSIONS? Shouldn't they be paying out more on ALL occassions?

actually, no. you're incorrect. anyone care to explain this? I can't handle this crap anymore.

077770,

What can't you handle? The truth? Let me help you with this.

If I give someone $100 to invest, and they get me a return of 5%, they should be paying me back $105 when I want my money back. If CEP states that they are paying everyone, the amount of money paid back should be more than what was brought in. Therefor, when they say they received $20 million and paid out $16 million, someone is obviously losing money. Maybe that is easier for you to understand.

[Webwatch]

It often amazes me how much contempt a scam operator will have for its memberships intelligence.

We showed how CEP fell fowl of the SEC regulations because it was a public scheme.
The weak arguments that CEP was private didn't work either and fell fowl of basic commonsense and to add further insult to an already flawed argument CEP now decides to put up an announcement saying it is private. Anyone would think Trevor is following this thread closely to try and stay ahead.

Unfortunatley the world doesn't work like that, as CEP wasn't Private to begin with it cannot be considered Private now. Sure they can try and restrict access to their forums but that wont work either.

I may be the only one that thinks these CEP site statistics are made up although it would have been wiser to fiddle them to always show more money being paid out than is being taken in, who knows some might then think CEP has a profitable investment portfolio. But thats students for you they can't think of everything.

[Ferret]

An interesting thread where some of the smarter CEP Colon End Parenthesis
members are asking the right questions and not getting any answers

Martin is catching on to the ponzi nature of Colon End Parenthesis
and Trevor Reed and Martin doesn't seem to be the typical CEP bible spouting
brainwashed cult member


http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2125&highlight=newscast&sid=8795b38235756527006912d11432163a

madpoet
Joined: 04 Dec 2006
Posts: 219
Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 12:34 pm Post subject:

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1) Cep is undergoing massive growth lately. Is there any concern that so many new members and so much money is going to be impossible to handle?

2) Shouldn't the first priority, above and beyond anything else, be fixing the script? Having to scan the daily transactions like a hawk, trying to mix and match upgrades, compounds, cashouts, etc; and having a couple dozen or more transactions to take care of with ones hitting the 30 day mark every day is time consuming!

Martin
Joined: 05 Mar 2007
Posts: 22
Location: North West of England
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 3:35 am Post subject: the future of CEP

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Hi from the UK,
I guess my query ties in with item 1 on madpoets post above.
In a couple of years, assuming that CEP continues to operate successfully, more and more members will be maxed out and therefore CEP will have potentially huge monthly payouts to make.
I wondered if Trevor and the team have put any strategies in place to meet these forecast obligations, to ensure the medium/longer term success of CEP ? I work in a finance environment and am constantly amazed by how well CEP appears to be performing
Many thanks for all the hard work you guys are putting in on behalf of the members
Martin

DRC
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Posts: 12
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:03 am Post subject:

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(1) The membership is getting quit large and the larger the membership the greater the risk of members complaining to authorities for no reason which places CEP on the radar of authorities. Quote from the SEC site, “One of the major sources of information on which the SEC relies to bring enforcement action is investors themselves” How can CEP ever be protected for longevity against the members themselves?

(2) According to the TOS “All monies entrusted to CEP are considered investments, and what you earn and are paid is considered interest.” Doesn’t the SEC have some pretty strict rules in regards to what they consider legal investments and who can acquire outside funds for investments whether they are stocks, bonds or other investment avenues?

don't know if these are proper questions or not but i have seen concerns posted along these lines from time to time.

drc

Martin
Joined: 05 Mar 2007
Posts: 22
Location: North West of England
Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 12:09 am Post subject: Question for next newscast

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Good morning Pamela/Skye, many thanks for answering my last question in Newscast #3. Although I didn't expect you to give any specifics away, its good to hear that you constantly have the longer term success of CEP in your mind when making investment decisions etc...I was also very interested to hear that CEP is currently making four times the required profits to meet its payouts etc...wow ! I reckon Trevor should go to work in the city, he'd make a killing !
I have a question for the next newscast...are there any sets of accounts for CEP that have been filed and are available for public viewing ? I'm in the UK so I am not familiar with US tax dates, filing requirements etc
Thanks again for all you guys are doing with CEP
Martin

Martin
Joined: 05 Mar 2007
Posts: 22
Location: North West of England
Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 2:48 pm Post subject: Question for newscast #5

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Hello again Pamela/May
Many thanks for asking my question in newscast #4. However you will see from the transcript below that Pamela didn't really answer my question. I was mainly interested in whether CEP had filed any annual accounts, or because it is incorporated in Belize it doesn't have to ? I wondered if there are any financial accounts available in the public domain for CEP
Thanks for the newscasts, I always find them an interesting read
Take care
Martin

penny2
Joined: 02 Mar 2007
Posts: 28
Location: TX
Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 6:24 pm Post subject: Question for newscast

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In one of the recent newscast, Skye or Pamela, indicated that because Trevor has such a large amount of money that he has been approached or he approached an organization about investments, that would give CEP a larger profit margin. Could someone please go into more detail as much as you can and discuss the benefits of this activity.

GOD bless
Wow, they think they can get more than 720% per year and Trevor Reed says
Colon End Parenthesis is getting 4 times this in income......
UNBELIEVABLE !!!


http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2848&sid=2f86ffef8400c0b99b19567e8099c347
ncref
Joined: 14 Mar 2007
Posts: 26
Location: North Carolina
Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 4:06 pm Post subject: Daily Earning Are Not Shown

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Daily earnings are not shown anywhere in the CEP backoffice.

You earn 2% per day, which is 60% per 30 day period.

Under Cashout/Compound in your CEP backoffice, you will see the amount you invested, the day it will mature, and the amount that you have earned for the 30 day period, and how you have it compounded or withdrawn.

Example:

$100 invested on March 17 will earn $60 and it will mature on April 16.

PoNzey
Joined: 21 Feb 2007
Posts: 151
Location: Saint Louis, MO
Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 1:00 pm Post subject:

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I would assume he's not aware of the point since he asked. Ha. Jedimaster, there's really no reason for you to place money into level two until you have no more room in level 1. The reason is because with all upgrades in level 1, you'll make 60% (a month) on that upgrade for 360 days (12 payouts) before expiration. In level 2, you'll only make 60% (a month) for 180 days (6 payouts). That's still great but if you can make it for 360 days.. you might as well.

Hope that makes sense. GodBless. -PoNzey

[Ferret]

http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2898&sid=7b4c550fea55ca3a3b412beafd21f33f

chidds7
Joined: 06 Jan 2006
Posts: 121
Location: England
Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 1:47 pm Post subject: The CEP Family Tree

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Hello one and all.

Having been a member for a long time I have seen the names of various persons appearing over the years.
Right back from when Trevor started the initial "Heal in Jesus Name" and on to now, when new moderators are joining on a regular basis.

Is it a possibility for one of the Insiders to post a Family Tree of CEP admin so we can relate to everyone. This should include everyone in order, down the management and Forum lines, in each program. After all, I do not know the names of everyone, and, as said earlier, I am one of the long serving members. I am sure that many members would be interested.

Michael (chidds7)


Trevor E Reed - Founder - Owner - Planning and Idea Man
Clayton Kimbrell - Founder - Owner - Programmer - Planning
Ginger - Trevors girlfriend - Site Designer - Support - Planning

Chris Barany - Promotions

Earl Reed- Trevors Dad - Support

The family that scams together STAYs together lol

Reminds me of Kim Inman and his family run ponzi :p

[littleroundman]

(2) According to the TOS “All monies entrusted to CEP are considered investments, and what you earn and are paid is considered interest.” Doesn’t the SEC have some pretty strict rules in regards to what they consider legal investments and who can acquire outside funds for investments whether they are stocks, bonds or other investment avenues?

Well, yes, they do, actually:

http://www.sec.gov/investor/pubs/autosurf.htm

“Auto-Surfing”: What You Need to Know

In the world of marketing, people often get compensated — with cash or free products and services— for doing fairly easy things, like sampling new ice-cream flavors, filling out surveys, or allowing a firm to monitor the television shows you watch or the websites you visit. While some “money for nothing” opportunities may be perfectly legitimate, others can turn out to be frauds.

“Auto-surfing” is a form of online advertising that purportedly generates advertising revenue for companies that want to increase traffic to their websites. The premise behind auto-surfing is that companies that advertise on the Internet are willing to pay to increase traffic to their web sites. These companies hire an auto-surf firm or “host,” which in turn pays individual web surfers to view certain websites on an automatically rotating basis. The more sites the individual visits, the more money he or she stands to earn.

While auto-surfing may sound easy and appealing — and risk-free — there can be a hitch. Some auto-surf programs require their surfers to pay to participate, although perhaps not initially. When you first sign up to auto-surf, the firm might assign a limited number of sites for you to visit and pay you accordingly. Once you’ve made a modest amount of money, the firm might encourage — or even require — you to purchase a “membership” so that you can maximize your earnings. The program will promise high — often double or triple digit — returns on your investment in the program, often within days or weeks of joining.

The line you’ll hear is that the more you click, the more you collect. But the reality is that any scheme that requires you to pay to participate — and promises handsome rewards in no time at all for little to no effort on your part — bears many of the hallmarks of a “Ponzi” or pyramid scheme. These schemes look deceptively legitimate because the fraudsters behind them typically use money coming in from new recruits to pay off early stage investors. But eventually the pyramid will collapse when it gets too big. It’s simply not possible to “rob-Peter-to-pay-Paul" forever.

The SEC warns investors to be wary of any sort of “get rich scheme quick” scheme — and to be especially leery of opportunities that require you to pay to play. Before you pay a dime to make extra cash in your spare time, be sure to do a little due diligence:

* If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. Compare promised yields with current returns on well-known stock indexes. Any investment opportunity that claims you’ll get substantially more could be highly risky — and that means you might lose money.

* Check out the company before you invest. Contact the secretary of state where the company is incorporated to find out whether the company is a corporation in good standing. Also call your state securities regulator to see whether the company, its officers, or the promoters of the opportunity have a history of complaints or fraud. If a supposedly upright business lists only a P.O. box, you'll want to do a lot of work before sending your money!

* Steer Clear of Testimonials. Watch out if the company’s promotional materials, contain “testimonials” from supposedly satisfied customers, especially if all the “testimonials” are full of praise.

* "Guaranteed returns" aren't. Every investment carries some degree of risk, and the level of risk typically correlates with the return you can expect to receive. Low risk generally means low yields, and high yields typically involve high risk. If your money is perfectly safe, you'll most likely get a low return. High returns represent potential rewards for folks who are willing to take big risks. Most fraudsters spend a lot of time trying to convince investors that extremely high returns are "guaranteed" or "can't miss." Don't believe it.

For more information on investing wisely and avoiding costly mistakes, please visit the Investor Information section of the SEC’s website at www.sec.gov/investor.shtml.

[deadgrassdog]

The SEC has issued a warning for Auto-surf as risky but not "Illegal"!! I have contacted them directly and that is what I was told!:yes:

[Webwatch]

Funny how everyone has contacted the SEC when a particular type of scheme comes under the spotlight. Not that I'm saying you haven't but it sure looks like over egging the pudding to me.;)

Sometimes when the facts are staring people in the face the easiest thing to do is continue down the road of dreams pretending everything is just fine and dandy.

[Daywalker]

Who the are you ferret you make no sense to me and i dont fear you at all? i really wish you would stop posting stupid questions about CEP you have no proff there a scam i've made more money with CEP than you will ever have. It just goes to show how childlish you are for having no sense and those stupid childlish remarks your probly not even a member in CEP so why dont you go away or i'll make you go away. I'm ready to do battle with you except your no match to this real lycanthrope i'll ripp you apart and devour your soul. So if you say CEP'S a scam show real proff not some made up **** that does'nt make sense. And copying and pasteing BS all over the forum.
lol :swear: :flame: :head: :nono:

[Ferret]

Who the are you ferret you make no sense to me and i dont fear you at all?

i really wish you would stop posting stupid questions about CEP you have no proff there a scam i've made more money with CEP than you will ever have.

It just goes to show how childlish you are for having no sense and those stupid childlish remarks your probly not even a member in CEP so why dont you go away or i'll make you go away.
I'm ready to do battle with you except your no match to this real lycanthrope i'll ripp you apart and devour your soul.

So if you say CEP'S a scam show real proff not some made up **** that does'nt make sense. And copying and pasteing BS all over the forum.
lol :swear: :flame: :head: :nono:
Hi Daywalker aka lycanthrope (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lycanthropy)

In folklore, lycanthropy is the ability or power of a human being to undergo transformation into a wolf. The term comes from Greek lykánthropos (λυκάνθρωπος): λύκος, lýkos ("wolf") + άνθρωπος, ánthrōpos ("man") (Rose, 230). The word can also be used transitively, referring to the act of transforming someone else into a wolf, or werewolf.

The word lycanthropy is often used generically for any transformation of a human into animal form, though the precise term for that is technically "therianthropy". Sometimes, "zoanthropy" is used instead of "therianthropy" (Guiley, 192).

Folk-etymology also links the word to Lycaon, a king of Arcadia who, according to Ovid's Metamorphoses, was turned into a ravenous wolf in retribution for attempting to serve human flesh (his own son) to visiting Zeus in an attempt to disprove the god's divinity.

There is also a mental illness called lycanthropy in which a patient believes he or she is, or has transformed into, an animal and behaves accordingly. This is sometimes referred to as clinical lycanthropy to distinguish it from its use in legends.

How much money have you made with CEP?

Why would you fear me?

You sound just ever so slightly unbalanced......

I don't think the bible bashing CEP cult members would like
your occult delusions Mr Wolfman

Warning rermoved by Ferret

[Webwatch]

Hi Daywalker and eh welcome to Matrixwatch.

At risk of being on the receiving end of some of your pent up anger I must say thats its CEP that is not giving full disclosure to its members regarding the investments that generate these high returns.

Colon Enders are getting a real taste of what its like to be kept out of the loop at the moment which in itself should be enough of a red flag to cause a least a few a certain degree of concern.

I don't want to enter your fantasy land to far but you have used the screen name Daywalker which in my understanding relates to Vampires which have the ability to travel freely during hours of sunshine and yet you call yourself a real Lycanthrope which refers to a werewolf, perhaps you may have watched to many Blade movies or more likely underworld which does contain a Vampire/Lycanthrope hybrid character.

Not sure if your first post comes under personnal attacks or not as there doesn't seem to be a forum rule on mythological threats but could you relax a bit.
I hope i haven't got to call Buffy and her gang.

[Daywalker]

Hi Daywalker aka lycanthrope (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lycanthropy)



How much money have you made with CEP?

Why would you fear me?

You sound just ever so slightly unbalanced......

I don't think the bible bashing CEP cult members would like
your occult delusions Mr Wolfman

Warning rermoved by Ferret

There you go again posting more stupid questions like how much money you've made well more than you will ever in your loser life made why are you so jealous of CEP there not going anywhere but i think you are stright down to hell with me. And the Bible i can't belive you even mention that i dont belive in God. Maybe you should grow up and admit when a loser like you comes along and can't admit when he's wrong so why dont you go take a long walk on a short pier you loser.
:nono: :head: :head: :head: :head:

[Ferret]

There you go again posting more stupid questions like how much money you've made well more than you will ever in your loser life made why are you so jealous of CEP there not going anywhere but i think you are stright down to hell with me. And the Bible i can't belive you even mention that i dont belive in God. Maybe you should grow up and admit when a loser like comes along and can't admit when he's wrong so why dont you go take a long walk on a short pier you loser.
:nono: :head: :head: :head: :head:

lol :p

Send your posts to me first and I will proof read them for you,
correct all your typos and bad grammar for free ;)

[Daywalker]

Hi Daywalker and eh welcome to Matrixwatch.

At risk of being on the receiving end of some of your pent up anger I must say thats its CEP that is not giving full disclosure to its members regarding the investments that generate these high returns.

Colon Enders are getting a real taste of what its like to be kept out of the loop at the moment which in itself should be enough of a red flag to cause a least a few a certain degree of concern.

I don't want to enter your fantasy land to far but you have used the screen name Daywalker which in my understanding relates to Vampires which have the ability to travel freely during hours of sunshine and yet you call yourself a real Lycanthrope which refers to a werewolf, perhaps you may have watched to many Blade movies or more likely underworld which does contain a Vampire/Lycanthrope hybrid character.

Not sure if your first post comes under personnal attacks or not as there doesn't seem to be a forum rule on mythological threats but could you relax a bit.
I hope i haven't got to call Buffy and her gang.

Dont know what your talking about you make no sense either posting stupid remarks. It seems you watch to much TV get over the comedy crazy carthey i dont care about forum rules and dont care about you either. Your just jealous of CEP that makes wonder if your man enough to face me the DARKONE. And that stupid username WEBWATCH you probly get off watching *** vids or something or you must be real anal obssesed with my threads so why dont you and that other loser ferret do me a favor and go play with yourselves and go away and leave CEP alone. It's time to put losers like you in there places and i no where they are straight to hell.
:nono: :nono: :swear: :flame: :head: :head: :head:

[Daywalker]

lol :p

Send your posts to me first and I will proof read them for you,
correct all your typos and bad grammar for free ;)

Talking about grammar your is far worse than mine you might need a spelling book and the copying and pasteing you do is very stupid i can give you free book on learning how to spell.:head: :head: :head: :head: :head:

[Ferret]

Talking about grammar your is far worse than mine you might need a spelling book and the copying and pasteing you do is very stupid i can give you free book on learning how to spell.:head: :head: :head: :head: :head:

If you would stop :head: so many times your grammar might improve :D

[Daywalker]

If you would stop :head: so many times your grammar might improve :D

Makes me wonder how stupid you are posting the same horriable grammar over and over Yea members are right about this place ferret and Webwatch are very jealous people have no life's. I'm going from here before i kill somebody.
:head: :flame: :swear:

[Ferret]

Makes me wonder how stupid you are posting the same horriable grammar over and over Yea members are right about this place ferret and Webwatch are very jealous people have no life's. I'm going from here before i kill somebody.
:head: :flame: :swear:

Daywalker = Darkwolf45 on CEP Forum
http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/forum/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=4598&sid=e3271979000b7dd0123bc67fa52e32d6

Darkwolf45
Joined: 08 May 2007
Posts: 6
posted: Wed May 09, 2007 7:37 am Post subject: Re: Bank Wires?

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Darkwolf45 wrote:
I invested $16,000 back in january how long does a bank wire take to reach my acount in the U.S.



Darkwolf45 you invest $ 16,000 back in January.You must be kidding
In February your check for 4.95 for car wash bounce
But You don't have car What You Wash in that booth??
I don't want to know.That's Your preference.
But In case You can copy and paste your Bank Wire investment
and post that on this forum, You are # 1
OK that's all for now
You still own me 4.95$n US
What I like about You No engine oil leak.
Darkwolf you have ONE more change to be nice IF I find One more
post I don't like I will post ALL about You and familly.OK it's You
Your family is OK.

Yes i invested 16,000 back in januray but not all into coloend i spread my investment out? I invested $5,000 into coastin88,$5,000 into Cepcoast, $5,000 into coloend. I hope this helps because i barely understand your english grammar you lost me there on that car wash part and family if your looking for trouble just send me a PM to avoid all the frustration here on the forum i'll be happy to deal with you there. Dont come here and post stupid questions that i can barely read like you mentioning i have one more (change) i think it should be spelled chance not change and $4.95 that's probly what you have invested into CEP anyways all said i wish you really stop posting stupid questions that make no sense go away or you are going to have problem with me.

will maybe Rian had to use some violence towards this guy have you ever thought or your to stupid to know theres lots bullies out there. By the way your user name looks very fimiluar to me no offense if your not posting stupid childlish remarks here you are over there at coastin88 it's really anoying and memebrs already complained about you if you go by the user Executive what a stupid user name you should change it around bit to girlyexecutive your not really worth my space so move on.

[Accountant]

Well, I guess it was only a matter of time before I registered here. Just stopped by to say "they're all crooks". Carry on!

[Accountant]

I've already explained in the last post that we don't know the exact places CEP invests in nor do I feel it's necessary to know simply because it would spoil his business model. I don't have a lot of time this morning to repeat what I wrote but you can re-read my post on the top of page 8 and it'll explain my thoughts on why I personally don't find it necessary to know every minut detail. Believe me, you have no clue what your money is used for in some of the business's you're working with. One example is your bank. That could start an entire new debate of which I'm not interested in but just look over my other post for my thoughts regarding the investments CEP involves itself in.

Talk to you soon.

GodBless.

-Pozey

Umm, just one little glitch there. You can find out where your bank invests it's money, it's actually a law. You'll also find that banks are pretty limited into what they can legally invest in. No, they don't put it on the counter for you to look at, but if you know how to look, it is there, and in some detail, too.

edited to add: this is only applicable to banks that are FDIC insured, FSLIC insured and Credit Unions that are FCUIC insured

[Accountant]

I'm not sure if we're reading the same guideline. PUBLIC COMPANIES. Try to sign up for CEP. What was the outcome? It's private. End of story. Do you know if CEP is filing with the SEC or if they're not? I didn't think so.

Where did you read that CEP will open again soon? I haven't seen that in one location. The only things I've read are stating that it's going to remain private for a long time or indefinitely.


I've stated PLENTY of DD. Please feel free to re-read my posts.. they start on page 7 of this thread. Again, do you have any facts or hard evidence or just a theory that if one company is wrong, so are all the others? Pretty sad way to live a life if you ask me.


My logic is flawed? I'm the one involved in CEP and just stating why I am convinced it's legit. You're taking your obviously not so valuable time, to enlighten people with theories that have no substantial backing. Let me ask this, who's logic is flawed? Who is spending so much time attempting to ruin the credibility of a company that has a track record of excellence and integrity for a year and a half? On top of that, you're using absolutely no hard evidence or fact. All I've seen are immature posts that resort to name calling and comparisons of fraud to attempt at getting a point across. It's fairly sad to be honest. I, on the other hand, actually am invested in the program, and have a reason to debunk your plan.. whatever that might be. What is your goal here? To enlighten people who cannot join even if they wanted to? If your goal is to shut the program down, turn it in. We will truly see what happens. I'm simply stating why I feel that I can and will continue to invest.


Around 16,000 people.

Is this a joke? Did you really just say that? What grade are you in? I'm not depending on CEP for survival nor would I be lost without it. If you're going to attempt at making a program look flawed, please use some common sense and real proof. I've yet to see anything in regards to CEP as being illegal or wrong. I'm anxious to see some real evidence. Feel free to repeat yourself over and over with a lame hypothesis, I just don't see many people actually giving you credibility.

Talk to you soon!

GodBless.

-Pozey

Pozey,

If you read the rules a little farther, you'll find the definition of a public company. You don't get to say you're private just because you want to, or even if you're not accepting new members. The SEC defines a private company, among other restrictions must:

Have no more than 100 beneficial owners
Not accept funds from pooled accounts with assets of less than $10 million (mutual funds, pensions and institutions can participate in private investments under some serious restrictions)
Only accept "Qualified Investors" with personal assets of at least $1 million excluding residence, along with other qualifications
Limit withdrawal and deposit periods to regular intervals (usually 1 time annually)

I'm so sick of hearing this "Private Program" garbage. They open up to anyone with $20 every so often. Therefore they are a public company. By your extremely twisted logic, Fidelity is a private company because they don't accept new investors on Sundays.

[Donald]

lol :p

Send your posts to me first and I will proof read them for you,
correct all your typos and bad grammar for free ;)

Hi Daywalker your right Ferret grammar really does suck oh by the way what a dumb user name you have ferret,lol wessel which one is it. You have no facts that CEP is truly a scam so why do you post such things get your facts straight they make no sense.
:rant: :crazy:

[Ferret]

Umm, just one little glitch there. You can find out where your bank invests it's money, it's actually a law. You'll also find that banks are pretty limited into what they can legally invest in. No, they don't put it on the counter for you to look at, but if you know how to look, it is there, and in some detail, too.

Welcome Accountant
The SEC requires all investments to reveal how your money is
invested and to file with them

CEP and its brainwashed cult members claim that they are "private"
and registered in Belize so they don't have to comply

Colon End Parenthesis and Trevor Reed have a big surprise coming
very soon ;)

I'm sure SEC is aware (http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2985&sid=5faedea70e6e2013e0b2a6096f8a3852)

bpa
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Posts: 28
Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 7:58 am Post subject: I'm sure SEC is aware

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There is a large concern about the SEC. I would stongly suppose that the SEC in many states have been well aware of CEP for quite a while. With the large number of CEP members, you know some people will and have contacted their state SEC to get advice.

I just heard a radio ad for the PA state SEC that gave a phone number to call to check out online opportunities. While I do not see the need to do this, I'm sure many folks would and probably have.

SEC's take this stuff seriously. A couple years ago I attended a meeting on a program similar to CEP in which I found out had a PA SEC agent in the audience.

I only bring this up to illustrate that CEP cannot hide and have not hidden from the SEC and at some point will need to satisfy them to some extent. (I hope they already have)I would personally feel much better if we knew that CEP had a least the partial blessing of the SEC.

I'm not sure if current problems have anything to do with the SEC, but that we would be hiding our head in the sand to say the SEC must not be dealt with.

Executive
Joined: 04 Dec 2006
Posts: 790
Location: California
Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 8:48 am Post subject:

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Trevor Reed has said that C.E.P. is in full compliance with SEC standards, so that can't even be an issue here.

Robin2
Joined: 03 Mar 2007
Posts: 66
Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 2:37 pm Post subject:

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Yes, the PA SEC is the most stringent of all. hey forbid many, many programs that others leave a lone.

One comment on our compliance with SEC. I understand we meet their standards and even above. But what they want is that we be registered with them, and that we don't have. So I'm not sure they would have a problem with it. Typically want to have total control.

Robin2

moneyface
Joined: 28 Feb 2007
Posts: 15
Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 9:59 am Post subject:

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Quote:
One comment on our compliance with SEC. I understand we meet their standards and even above. But what they want is that we be registered with them, and that we don't have. So I'm not sure they would have a problem with it. Typically want to have total control.


I'd like to add that while surfing the net, I stumbled upon some SEC ruling which prohibits the proclamation of return rates. Any examples of ROI rates must be disclaimed with the ubiquitous "past performance is not indicative of future performance".

I've always wondered why financial products from mainstream institutions are shy to mention their potential returns. You'd also normally need to download a seperate prospectus after agreeing to the usual disclaimers. Now I know.

moneyface
Joined: 28 Feb 2007
Posts: 15
Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 10:26 am Post subject:

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I'm not a lawyer by any means but aren't securites different then investments?


In the case of the SEC V EDWARDS( http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/02-1196.ZO.html ), an excerpt of the court ruling says:
"We hold that an investment scheme promising a fixed rate of return can be an “investment contract” and thus a “security” subject to the federal securities laws.

Another relevant link:
http://www.aicpa.org/pubs/jofa/nov2003/carroll.htm


fbpa
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Posts: 28
Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 4:21 pm Post subject: Re: I'm sure SEC is aware

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SEC's take this stuff seriously. A couple years ago I attended a meeting on a program similar to CEP in which I found out had a PA SEC agent in the audience.


Several SEC agents interviewed the leader of the meeting some time afterward.
While completely untrue, :rolleyes: they accused him of selling securities without a licence.:eek:
One of their comments was "Do you really think anyone can pay a 2% a day return?" :D
It seems as though SEC's look at these high returns with a very questioning eye. :rolleyes:
They see scam even if the program is completely legal,:rolleyes: honest:rolleyes: and legitamite.:rolleyes:

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fbpa
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Posts: 28
Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 4:54 pm Post subject:

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darquoy wrote:
Hi fbpa,

Your concerns are mines too, and they have to be taken very seriously.
A good solution to this situation can be found in Delaine's posting at Coastin Forum:
http://www.coastin88.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1811&highlight=


Thank You your information. Thats what I am trying to express.
No matter how hard CEP tries to comply:rolleyes: with SEC regulations a loophole could be found to freeze assets.
Most SEC people probably mean well, lol and most times are protecting us,;)
but they sometimes throw out the baby with the bath water. :rolleyes:
SEC thought, lumps most all of these high yield programs into the same scam box whether they should be there or not.:rolleyes:

Executive
Joined: 04 Dec 2006
Posts: 789
Location: California
Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 5:04 pm Post subject:

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The SEC shouldn't even come into play here.

Private dealings between C.E.P. and companies they deal with behind the scenes, and C.E.P. sharing a small portion of their profits with us:rolleyes: doesn't have anything to do with selling securities. This is NOT ;) a public stock offering and our involvement with C.E.P. is not a part of any exchange.

fbpa
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Posts: 28
Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 5:23 pm Post subject:

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I really do not want to get in an argument about this. I trust CEP, I believe they are Christians trying to please God :rolleyes: and I believe they really do have the means to pay us 2% per day.:rolleyes:
All I am trying to say is the US government, whether it is the SEC or some other Agency views most all of these type programs as Scams whether or not they are. :rolleyes: We need all the protection we can get against such a negative attitude. lol

Executive
Joined: 04 Dec 2006
Posts: 789
Location: California
Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 5:33 pm Post subject:

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I don't disagree with what you're saying, fbpa, but whatever the U.S. government does or doesn't think doesn't matter since it's Belize where C.E.P. Holdings, LLC is registered. :rolleyes: Since CEP is paying their U.S. income tax (which is no doubt lower thanks to Belize law), there's nothing to worry about here.:rolleyes:
_________________
In some places money can grow on trees.:crazy:

bwise
Joined: 19 Feb 2007
Posts: 65
Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 11:09 pm Post subject:

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IMHO, whatever the U.S. government does or doesn't think does matter because CEP is ran/operated in the US with main offices in the US even though they are registered in Belize. The bottom line is businesses and individuals must “keep their nose clean” per US laws and regulations, etc. as long as they operate in the US.

bwise
_________________
Do you believe in God? ....... He believes in you.

[Accountant]

CEP is NOT a SCAM. I have been involved with CEP for over 18 months. I have been paid hundreds of times. I get over $20,000 in direct deposits to my checking account monthly. I report this money as income for tax purposes. CEP is NOT a ponzi. They DO NOT use new member funds to pay old members. They diversify funds and invest in a wide variety of things. It's absolutely preposterous to call CEP a scam. For honest opinions, check forums like MoneyMakerGroup and read the testimonies of the people who have been involved since November 2005.

You do of course realize, don't you, that since CEPTrust has such a tiresome and complete identity verification process that when they close this one down (just a tip, it will be the Commonwealth of Kentucky, not the SEC), you'll be sitting there in the data base as one who was making $20K a month, and they're going to make you pay it all back. Start saving those checks....

[Ferret]

Originally Posted by 077770
CEP is NOT a SCAM. I have been involved with CEP for over 18 months. I have been paid hundreds of times. I get over $20,000 in direct deposits to my checking account monthly. I report this money as income for tax purposes. CEP is NOT a ponzi. They DO NOT use new member funds to pay old members. They diversify funds and invest in a wide variety of things. It's absolutely preposterous to call CEP a scam. For honest opinions, check forums like MoneyMakerGroup and read the testimonies of the people who have been involved since November 2005.

077770 is SuperCoolCat-dot-com on the infamous scammer forum MMG

SuperCoolCat-dot-com was the first poster on the CEP thread there where
Trevor "ponzi" Reed talks to his greed blinded cult members

When this ponzi scam crashes SuperCoolCat-dot-com should be
prosecuted along with Trevor Reed

http://www.moneymakergroup.com/index.php?showuser=8214

Group: Members
Posts: 1,048
Joined: 29-August 05
From: Pittsburgh, PA - US(A)
Member No.: 8,214
Gender: Male
Favorite Money Making Moment: 9/11
Amount of hours spent on the MMG forums daily?: 4-6 Hours

http://www.moneymakergroup.com/index.php?showtopic=26321


SuperCoolCat-dot-com
Dec 18 2005, 08:03 PM Post #5

MMG Member

referall links are now working
the site isnt fully up yet

but it's getting there

I trust this one
and I'm putting a lot into it

its very obvious to me that the admin has a good heart


loveinJesusname
Jan 3 2006, 10:28 AM Post #10
MMG Member


Group: Members
Posts: 193
Joined: 3-January 06
Member No.: 17,130
Gender: Male

Hi, Guys!
Trevor here (the admin for CEP). Thanks for the nice comments above. :-) For the last question here, I can understand where you're coming from. That's why I made the chart the way I did (the chart is on the What We Offer page). The % you get daily lowers as the period is longer. If you look at the right side of the chart, you'll see that you actually gain more with the longer options than you do with the higher % options.

For example, if you make a $20 upgrade on a 15 day option (10% daily),

you earn $30 in total.
If you make a $20 for a 360 day option, you receive 2% daily for 360 days...that's 720%, or 620% profit!!! :eek:

($144 in total from just a $20 upgrade).

Does that make sense? I know it makes sense to me because I understand it. Please feel free to e-mail me and ask, though, if I didn't explain well enough. :-)
You can contact me at healinJesusname@yahoo.com, admin@healinJesusname.ws,

or the new one (which I'm still getting used to checking...so bear with me on this one...;-)) admin@colonendparenthesis.com. I attempt to reply with 24 hours, and I think you'll find that it's often a very speedy reply. I am, however, visiting family for the next 2 weeks...so it won't be as speedy as it usually is...but still within 24 hours. ;-) Take care! I'll try to check back here every now and again. :-D
Trevor

This post has been edited by SCAMinJesusname: Jan 3 2006, 10:32 AM

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CEP Coast - The new wave of advertising
CEP Trust - A payment solution that finally cares about you :rolleyes:


May 18 2007, 06:45 PM Post #2382

what happened (speculation): after much pressure by self-righteous asses certain government authorities have stopped all activity at CEP. Admin has said all that can and will be said for now - let it be.
Nobody stole any money, their investments didn't go under. This isn't about licensing at CEPT (not right now at least). This is about THE MAN

This post has been edited by SuperCoolCat-dot-com: Yesterday, 02:57 AM

http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=16335&highlight=&sid=5faedea70e6e2013e0b2a6096f8a3852#16335

077770
Joined: 18 Nov 2006
Posts: 13
Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 7:51 pm Post subject:

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my opinion: after much pressure by self-righteous asses certain government authorities have stopped all activity at CEP. Admin has said all that can and will be said for now - let it be. Don't demand answers. If they could say more they would Nobody stole any money, their investments didn't go under. This isn't about licensing at CEPT (not right now at least). This is about THE MAN.

Last edited by 077770 on Sat May 19, 2007 3:58 am; edited 1 time in total

The Ferret is very disappointed you edited the link to my user
profile out of both of your posts

077770
Joined: 18 Nov 2006
Posts: 13
Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 7:40 am Post subject: Frustrated with CEP support

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anybody else feel like they are talking to a wall with CEP support?
I know they are trying hard - but I'm getting really frustrated
I've got support tickets that are 20 days old
missing payouts over 10 business days

and it seems like everytime I try to deal with an issue CEP support either has no idea what I'm talking about - or they assume they do and then proceed to screw it up even more

very often I find support tickets closed with the issue not even being handled - sometimes I feel like the tickets aren't even being read - because the response I get has nothing to do with the request

also
cep support "finds" missing payouts by calculating "total earned" - "total paid" - meanwhile considering a year of activity with CEP, this is majorly flawed. I go through my account history and find missing payouts, but the guys at CEP support fail to make the full payout because instead of paying me out the profits of the individual upgrades, they just do some quick math and assume that they are correct...

I find missing payouts by comparing my cashout/compound page and my transaction page
CEP support finds them by calculating "total earned" - "total paid"
If I ask CEP support to fix my missing upgrades they refuse to read the tickets and pay out the actual missing payouts. Instead they just calculate "total earned-total paid" and pay out that - assuming it is correct. Well. ITS NOT! so STOP DOING IT!!!!

I want my friggin payouts
Individually!

I don't give a crap what total earned-total paid says
find the missing upgrades and payout the upgrades individually


I know these guys are trying hard - but if I received this kind of customer service in any other situation I would be going straight to the top and screaming my head off. But for some reason with CEP I have felt like It was rude to speak my mind and say that I'm not happy with customer support.

But really

Customer Support needs to be more informed and better educated.

[Accountant]

The SEC has issued a warning for Auto-surf as risky but not "Illegal"!! I have contacted them directly and that is what I was told!:yes:

Well, it's not that simple. True, the SEC has not labled any autosurf illegal, not even 12DP. But the Department of Fisheries hasn't either, it's not their jurisdiction. The SEC cannot file a criminal complaint, they can only make civil complaints, and as such they cannot call anything illegal. Another thing to consider in this answer is that there are legitimate autosurfs, but, and this is a big one, they DO NOT make you purchase "adpacks", "upgrades" or memberships, and they pay somewhere to the tune of 2 cents per site visited. Calling autosurfs illegal would apply to these perfectly legitimate companies. Now, as to what courts have said, (and courts are in fact the only institutions who can ultimately find anything illegal), the most pertinent precedent I can see in CCH (didn't check Lexxis) is a case that in effect says that if the payments made to members are based on the members investment, it's illegal. The only legal way to run an autosurf is to pay a fixed fee per click, no matter what they charge for membership, so if you pay in $1000 you make no more per click than the guy who paid $5. The test is how are the payments calculated.

[Accountant]

Ferret,

clean out yer inbox!

[Ferret]

Ferret,

clean out yer inbox!
lol Try again
I got 16,000+ death threats from happy CEP Cult members so
it fills up fast :p

[Accountant]

you've got mail

[Ferret]

you've got mail

All we need now is for PonziNemesis and truthinjesusname to
show up here ;) lol

We can have a Ponzi Party :cool:

[concerned]

Who the are you ferret you make no sense to me and i dont fear you at all? i really wish you would stop posting stupid questions about CEP you have no proff there a scam i've made more money with CEP than you will ever have. It just goes to show how childlish you are for having no sense and those stupid childlish remarks your probly not even a member in CEP so why dont you go away or i'll make you go away. I'm ready to do battle with you except your no match to this real lycanthrope i'll ripp you apart and devour your soul. So if you say CEP'S a scam show real proff not some made up **** that does'nt make sense. And copying and pasteing BS all over the forum.
lol :swear: :flame: :head: :nono:


Good

I'm glad you are able to make money from a scam, cause you obviously can't make money as a journalist, writer, or English Teacher, cause your grammer is completely horrible. Take your scammed money and go get an education.

[Accountant]

They do tend to get upset when you start showing them the truth, eh?
I wonder how much of that "profit" he's saved, CEP has a very good ID verification process, so the government will know exactly where to go to get the money back.

[Webwatch]

Dont know what your talking about you make no sense either posting stupid remarks. It seems you watch to much TV get over the comedy crazy carthey i dont care about forum rules and dont care about you either. Your just jealous of CEP that makes wonder if your man enough to face me the DARKONE. And that stupid username WEBWATCH you probly get off watching *** vids or something or you must be real anal obssesed with my threads so why dont you and that other loser ferret do me a favor and go play with yourselves and go away and leave CEP alone. It's time to put losers like you in there places and i no where they are straight to hell.
:nono: :nono: :swear: :flame: :head: :head: :head:
I could be asking for trouble responding to this but Daywalker what I was trying to present was CEP's lack of transparency to its members on how and where their money was invested.

Some Colon Enders may say 'we don't need to know all is fine Trevor is great etc' but in this virtual world riddled with phoney investment ops that just move money around with no real additional income to acheive the presented returns for everyone, except perhaps the select few early members or paid shills there needs to be some sort of verifiable investment portfolio potential investors can view.

From the degree of aggression in your response I take it you may have more invested in CEP than you can afford to lose even though you have told us you have made loads of money I find this very hard to believe.

I also must apologise for any flippant remarks you have taken offence to and I will no longer make any jokes at your expense as I forgot to take into account the sheer logistical complications that a werewolf must overcome in order to operate a PC keyboard let alone the lack of opposable thumb and long sharp claws.

Is CEP back functioning yet or has anyone heard from Trev.
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Oh and a welcome to Matrixwatch Accountant.

[Accountant]

Something interesting on the T Lennon site (12DP Reciever)

Based on his review of the preliminary data and the Internet traffic on blogs
related to high yield investment opportunities on the Internet, the Receiver believes
that certain investors were aware of the fact that 12DP was a Ponzi scheme7 and
invested with the intent of maximizing their investment early in the scheme and
withdrawing their funds before it collapsed. The Receiver will continue his
investigation in an effort to identify and, to the extent possible, recover ill-gotten
gains from investors, and other third parties


Hope all the people who are in profit are saving a few dollars to pay back.

[Ferret]

Hope all the people who are in profit are saving a few dollars to pay back.
lol Like this guy goomba who is a personal friend of Trevor Reed and was in CEP from day one
It is his only source of "income"

If goomba made $50,000 off a $80 investment can you imagine
how much Trevor Reed has personally pocketed?

Then there is his father Earl, girlfriend Ginger, partner Clayton
and all the friends they got into Colon End Parenthesis early

So, Trevor Reed how much have you made from your ponzi?

http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/forum/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=253&sid=10defcbdd578247fe02a5f2525adf2c9
goomba
Joined: 01 Mar 2006
Posts: 88
Location: Selinsgrove, PA
Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 12:50 pm Post subject:

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You are very perceptive about Trevor. It is nice to hear someone who at present may not even be in profit being optimistic. I have been trying to keep people optimistic, but I have made $50,000 from a seed of $80 already so not everyone wants to hear my opinion.

Maybe tiger12, the only honest person posting the Colon End Parenthesis
CEP forum will ask Trevor Reed the BIG question

PS: goomba actually talked to Trevor Reed since CEP collapsed and he
claims that he didn't ask about any details of what is going on..........

I for one was glad to see the email trevor sent today. Know why I am glad? Because as of last night I KNOW Trevor was deeply concerned about a lack of appreciation on the part of many of our members. Before you ask that was all that was spoken between us about CEP.


Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 11:43 pm

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CEP is my ONLY source of income as well. I did have the good fortune of getting my payout Wednesday last week. If it had been three days later I would have only had enough money to last about two weeks. Savings is coming along slowly.

With all the positive posts about CEP (a good thing to be sure) I do feel the need to post that I am not placing my faith in CEP to meet my needs. I am placing my faith in God and hoping CEP is the tool he continues to use.

The first and main purpose of this site is to help you make money. I have been successfully making money on the internet for some time now, and I want to help you do the same. I know how hard it can be to find trustworthy places to invest on the internet. That's why I decided to start Colon End Parenthesis. Any money you deposit into our program will have my personal guarantee to earn more money over a selected period of time. This will not be a Ponzi scheme (or pyramid scheme). I will not be counting on future deposits in order to payout! I have learned where to trust monies to make a profit, and that's where the monies with which you trust Colon End Parenthesis will go. You will find nothing but honesty here, so you can ask me any question you like

[Webwatch]

Using my tried and trusted formulae of All Ponzi and Pyramid Scheme admin for some reason will say their HYIP programs are not Ponzi of Pyramid Schemes. CEP is therefore obviously a Ponzi/Pyramid Scheme.

Trevs supporters will no doubt say what chance does that give us, well absolutley none and thats the way it should be.

Trev could always disprove my formulae by providing proof of investments to substantiate the claims of CEP's financial prowess.

Any news from Trev yet.?

[sisco50]

How does one make a profit of $50,000 from an investment of $80 legally? Can you imagine the ramifications if this were possible on a regular basis? It tends to boggle the mind somewhat! The average citizen with a few hundred bucks could invest it and then look to retire in a month or two. I have a few thousand to invest so maybe I can retire next week? lol Good thought but will never happen legally. There is no such investment available legally that I am aware of. :(

[Webwatch]

I like the way goomba thinks sharing this info with colon enders will prove fruitfull. If the ponzi is functioning fine this might be OK but when glitches start appearing (as they always do) some might even start to realise that the alleged seed of $80 only grew into $50,000 because the fertilizer used was other peoples money.

[Ferret]

How does one make a profit of $50,000 from an investment of $80 legally? Can you imagine the ramifications if this were possible on a regular basis? It tends to boggle the mind somewhat! The average citizen with a few hundred bucks could invest it and then look to retire in a month or two. I have a few thousand to invest so maybe I can retire next week? lol Good thought but will never happen legally. There is no such investment available legally that I am aware of. :(
goomba 's $80 to $50,000 was over a year and a half time span

I think the question is more like how can CEP give the same level
of returns to all 16,000 of its investors?

That boogles my mind!!! How many millions / billions of dollars would CEP
need to pay out?

Check out my brand new blog at http://colonendparenthesis.blogspot.com
I already got 11 visitors before I made the first post minutes ago :)

All comments are welcomed and will be posted unedited.......
Freedom of speech!
Comments are only moderated to avoid viagra, porn, etc spam

[sisco50]

goomba 's $80 to $50,000 was over a year and a half time span

I think the question is more like how can CEP give the same level
of returns to all 16,000 of its investors?

That boogles my mind!!! How many millions / billions of dollars would CEP
need to pay out?

Check out my brand new blog at http://colonendparenthesis.blogspot.com
I already got 11 visitors before I made the first post minutes ago :)

All comments are welcomed and will be posted unedited.......
Freedom of speech!
Comments are only moderated to avoid viagra, porn, etc spam

LOL Year and a half or one week. No difference. Ain't happening! LOL

[littleroundman]

Here you go.

Just in case anyone is under any illusion that CEP is a fraud.

Many thanks to OKOSH over at http://www.cattyshaq.com for his efforts in getting a reply from the SEC:

Dear Mr. XXXX:

No such entity as Cellcfund is registered with the SEC. Investors needto exercise extreme caution in dealing with any unregistered entity.

It also may be helpful to bear in mind that as a non-U.S. overseas
investor you likely are being offered shares under Regulation S. If a
non-US investor in fact buys shares in a U.S. company, he/she may hold
stock that he/she can not sell. That is because as a non-U.S. overseas
investor, he/she likely will be sold shares under Regulation S. Under
the U.S. securities laws, Regulation S is available only for offers and
sales of securities outside the United States. Securities acquired
overseas, whether or not pursuant to Regulation S, may be resold in the
United States only if they are registered under the 1933 Act or an
exemption from registration is available. For more information, please
see http://www.law.uc.edu/CCL/33ActRls/regS.html. Thus, if you purchase
stock in U.S. companies offered to you under Regulation S, you likely
will hold stock that you can not sell.

Further, the types of transactions described in the documents attached
by you are not part of normal sales practices in the stockbrokerage
business. Rather, they are most likely variations upon an advance fee
fraud (see: http://www.sec.gov/answers/foreignalert.htm)

Sincerely,

Ms. Kerry McGovern

US SEC

202-551-6320

[mitrod3]

Hello....New Here.

A good proportion of the people in my local fellowship have invested in C E P or one of it's variants. Word of mouth carried it through the church. Many started out in C E P Coast and then rolled the money made there in to C E P for the bigger gains. All of those folks had been doing well until just a couple of weeks ago. They are now waiting to see what happens next.

Some of them got in early and they have made sustantial returns. One family had run "three lines" to the max. They were pulling in roughly $18,000 a month from each maxed line. Others had been in for awhile and were also making good and consistant returns. A couple of those folks were making enough to quit their jobs and live solely off the income from C E P. Some of the people just got into it and they are a touch edgy.

I was approached at one point, but I had some serious reservations about it all. The word "ponzi" came out of my mouth more than once right from the start as I was concerned more about the folks who might get caught when it came down than making the big bucks some folks were actually making, but I was basically blown off as a "nay sayer".

Time will tell.

[sisco50]

I'm thinking time has already started telling...

[mitrod3]

I'm thinking you might be right.........and man, some folks I know well are gonna be hurting :flame: if that is the case.

Be safe, choose well.

[Webwatch]

Sometimes I think it would be worthwhile if the Pastors/Vicars/Guru's etc of the community groups which seem to get suckered into these programs on the basis of trust faith etc should have a sermon at least once every few months warning of the perils of online investment schemes and affinity fraud.

Of course if the head of the community is the one doing the peddling then this could backfire though.

Perhaps we need to produce some sort of flyer for downloading and printing out which could be placed on community notice boards.

[Ferret]

Hello....New Here.

A good proportion of the people in my local fellowship have invested in C E P or one of it's variants. Word of mouth carried it through the church. Many started out in C E P Coast and then rolled the money made there in to C E P for the bigger gains. All of those folks had been doing well until just a couple of weeks ago. They are now waiting to see what happens next.

Some of them got in early and they have made sustantial returns. One family had run "three lines" to the max. They were pulling in roughly $18,000 a month from each maxed line. Others had been in for awhile and were also making good and consistant returns. A couple of those folks were making enough to quit their jobs and live solely off the income from C E P. Some of the people just got into it and they are a touch edgy.

I was approached at one point, but I had some serious reservations about it all. The word "ponzi" came out of my mouth more than once right from the start as I was concerned more about the folks who might get caught when it came down than making the big bucks some folks were actually making, but I was basically blown off as a "nay sayer".

Time will tell.
Hello mitrod3 from a fellow naysayer

It is refreshing to have a Christian post here who
hasn't been blinded by greed.
Is your minister involved in Colon End Parenthesis or
is he even aware of what his flock is up to?
What does he have to say about making returns of
720% a year on secret investments?

There are many ministers, etc posting on the CEP forum,
some of them are in the cheerleader brigade.

I can only imagine the havoc that will be wrought in your
church when this ponzi by Trevor E. Reed crashes.

Please keep us updated.

ChristianEnabledPonzi

[mitrod3]

Hello mitrod3 from a fellow naysayer
It is refreshing to have a Christian post here who
hasn't been blinded by greed.
Is your minister involved in Colon End Parenthesis or
is he even aware of what his flock is up to?
What does he have to say about making returns of
720% a year on secret investments?
There are many ministers, etc posting on the CEP forum,
some of them are in the cheerleader brigade.
I can only imagine the havoc that will be wrought in your
church when this ponzi by Trevor E. Reed crashes.
Please keep us updated.
ChristianEnabledPonzi

Thanks for the greeting and welcome.

The short of it........at the current time a majority of the body is involved to one degree or another, but I am not sure about the pastor at this point in time. It was apparently presented to each of those involved in a way that defined it out of the "ponzi" realm and into some other realm of investment. :shake: The huge returns with the promise of "money for Kingdom work" :yes: caught up a lot of folks here and I must openly say that some of those early in have given a tremedous amount of cash to the body and it's ministry focus.

On the one side all those (that I am aware of here) who came into contact with the program were strongly advised right up front not to invest more than they could afford to lose as any investment program could go south. I can also say that this is what I was told when I was approached....but I declined to go in anyway after talking with my own investment advisers. On the other side my questions about how it all really worked (which I kind of had figured out already) just never got a straight up or satisfactory answer.

During my initial talks with those already in the program was defined as a "transfer of wealth" from non-believers to believers for the work of the Kingdom. It does have a good ring to it on the surface.

At the moment some folks are really beginning to ask questions, some folks are cheerleading for C E P and Trevor and some are just taking a wait and see attitude with the "hope" that it will all snap back into place any day now and they can get on with making the big bucks again.

I wil keep you posted as to how it all shakes out here.

Be safe, choose well. ;)

[concerned]

Thanks for the greeting and welcome.

The short of it........at the current time a majority of the body is involved to one degree or another, but I am not sure about the pastor at this point in time.

That would be interesting to know. Just for research if anything else.

It was apparently presented to each of those involved in a way that defined it out of the "ponzi" realm and into some other realm of investment. :shake:

Of course it was. That was all done by design. These people really knew what they were doing. They were planning the scam for a while.

The huge returns with the promise of "money for Kingdom work" :yes: caught up a lot of folks here and I must openly say that some of those early in have given a tremedous amount of cash to the body and it's ministry focus.


How does the Church feel taking ill gotten money as a donation? Wouldn't they consider it dirty money? After all, it was earned in a way that is totally against the bible's teachings. Thou shal not steel.

On the one side all those (that I am aware of here) who came into contact with the program were strongly advised right up front not to invest more than they could afford to lose as any investment program could go south.

Not a big supprise. This is typical of all scams. They want to cover their buts WHEN the thing goes bust. They all claim they warned you.

I can also say that this is what I was told when I was approached....but I declined to go in anyway after talking with my own investment advisers.

You have a good advisor. What exactly did your investment advisor say? I'm sure he didn't have anything nice to say about that system. Can you share what he told you?

On the other side my questions about how it all really worked (which I kind of had figured out already) just never got a straight up or satisfactory answer.

If they don't answer with a straight answer, then people should have known better than to invest. This is where I blame the victims. The information was right there in front of them, yet they didn't use common sense.

During my initial talks with those already in the program was defined as a "transfer of wealth" from non-believers to believers for the work of the Kingdom. It does have a good ring to it on the surface.

Really? Even though ONLY Christian Believers were the ones investing? Well, did they say who the non believers were, and how deep their pockets were? Also, nobody realized that the word TRANSFER was in reference to the PONZI structure? When there is a simple transfer, the only explanation is PONZI.

At the moment some folks are really beginning to ask questions, some folks are cheerleading for C E P and Trevor and some are just taking a wait and see attitude with the "hope" that it will all snap back into place any day now and they can get on with making the big bucks again.

Here we go again. Nobody realizing that the scam is over. Nobody listening to the common sense. Everyone believeing in something that is guaranteed not to work. Why can't I find gullable people like that to hand me over money. Maybe because I have a conscience.

I wil keep you posted as to how it all shakes out here.

No need for this. We already know how this will shake out. Here it is:

1) The site will experience "technical diffculties"

2) The site will go down for 2-3 weeks, while theyrevamp it. Of course we all know that in real life you create a new site, then take it down for a few minutes to transfer the files.

3) Every controllable media source possible will be censored.

4) Payments will stop. People will wonder where the owner is

5) People will do nothing to help themselves.

6) The site finally closes

7) People come here to complain

8) Matrix Watch will tell them to fight for justice

9) The people will do nothing, and let CEP get away with it

10) People will blame Matrix Watch for the downfall of CEP.

11) People will pretend to care

12) Most people will just try to scam others to make up for getting scammed.

13) Matrix Watch will be left to pick up the pieces again, and help new victims of new scams created by victims of older scams.

14) Go back to step 1 and change the name of the scam to the new one.

[mitrod3]

Concerned:

When I was first introduced to this the word "ponzi" jumped into my mind and I said so right up front to those talking with us. They were not interested in listening to that.

When I talked with my investment advisers (I am invested with three traditional companies) shortly after that meeting they all used the same word but each added "modified" to it in terms of the Coast and Coast 88 side of things. They basically said stay away OR if I was going to go in for the "big buck gain" to only put in what I could afford to lose and expect to lose it based on how long the thing had been running at that point in time.

My sense was that at least some were told that their investments in C E P would go into very lucrative secular investment schemes (with a great return) that would then transfer wealth out of the secular world into the Kingdom world.

I will be talking with a couple of the original folks into this, later today.

[Webwatch]

Thanks for the update mitrod, please keep us posted.

[concerned]

Thanks mitrod3

I think it is interesting they used the word "modified" ponzi. They were very careful to say that it mirrors a ponzi with modified characteristics, because that is what these scammers do. They modify it enough to try to say it isn't a ponzi. Usually they don't know the math behind the 1 law that kills everyone. That is, money coming in is never more than money due out.

[concerned]

My sense was that at least some were told that their investments in C E P would go into very lucrative secular investment schemes (with a great return) that would then transfer wealth out of the secular world into the Kingdom world.


Too bad they aren't living in the REAL WORLD because that is where they would have realized that the money would never come.

[mitrod3]

The sad reality is that the folks who did jump in early on this one (CEP) were making big returns (maxed lines were regularly paying out $18,000 a month-60%-on that max $30,000-money invested and rolled) and that looked just too good :yes: to those being approached down the line a bit in the time frame.

Even the early returns on the Coast and Coast88 (lower that CEP) were drawing new people in as it was working fwell or those already in. :applause:

But, the wall was apparently on the horizon......:head: for each and all.

[mitrod3]

Just came off of the CEP web site and it apears that CEP Coast is back up and running now (after restructuring) with a raised requirement for the number of ad sites viewed (surfed) each day. I believe it is now 30 instead of 15 to help draw more outside advertisers money into the program from what was just posted.

Edit: just checked and it is 30 now instead of 15 to qualify for the daily commission which is supposed to start going back up % wise again after the restructuring.

Anyone hearing anything about CEP itself?

[mitrod3]

Quick question for those who might know.......

In a traditional "ponzi" money moves from here to cover there and then from there to cover here with more money needing to come in regularly to cover both here and there.......if I understand it correctly.

With C E P is there a second (or other) level of investmenting going on with the participants money going into other sources of return income and/or other money coming in from additional sources other than the investors themselves? Anyone have a sense on this?

I am a regular hand gun shooter and mix with a lot of LEO's at the range. When I talked with some of the Secretary of State's officers they mentioned four areas of "investing" that could really bring back tremendous profits over a very short time.....but none of them were legal in any way, shape or form. BUT.....are there any investment schemes out there that legally return really high short term gains if one is fortunate enough to hit a run of them on a regular basis. Here in the US? Out of country?

Thanks.

[littleroundman]

Quick question for those who might know.......

In a traditional "ponzi" money moves from here to cover there and then from there to cover here with more money needing to come in regularly to cover both here and there.......if I understand it correctly.

With C E P is there a second (or other) level of investmenting going on with the participants money going into other sources of return income and/or other money coming in from additional sources other than the investors themselves? Anyone have a sense on this?

I am a regular hand gun shooter and mix with a lot of LEO's at the range. When I talked with some of the Secretary of State's officers they mentioned four areas of "investing" that could really bring back tremendous profits over a very short time.....but none of them were legal in any way, shape or form. BUT.....are there any investment schemes out there that legally return really high short term gains if one is fortunate enough to hit a run of them on a regular basis. Here in the US? Out of country?

Thanks.

Highly, highly unlikely.

Remember, early "players" make the most money.

Later "victims" appear to be making money

Remember, "returns" of 10% per month really only mean it takes 10 months before the initial investment amount is reached.

[mitrod3]

Thanks.

Although a number of folks here are completely convinced that Trevor has found the perfect way to haul in huge amounts of return on investment, no one can really explain what he is doing to accomplish that other than what we see in terms of the issues and warnings being raised here.

And you are correct, the folks early in have made some very high dollar return on money in......while it's now wait and see for some of the others.

Thanks again.

[Ferret]

Funny how these scammers always tell you up front how it is going to go bad, even if they say it as a negative

Hopefully most of you learnt your lesson from YMMSS and
Kim Inman and are not repeating it on this one.

They are admitting that are All monies entrusted to CEP are considered investments.
I wonder if they are registered with the SEC?
:eek: 10,239 views on the original CEP thread

NB: This was the 6th post on April 12th and I honed right into the SEC issue :D :p

[siska]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ferret
Funny how these scammers always tell you up front how it is going to go bad, even if they say it as a negative

Hopefully most of you learnt your lesson from YMMSS and
Kim Inman and are not repeating it on this one.

They are admitting that are All monies entrusted to CEP are considered investments.
I wonder if they are registered with the SEC?

10,239 views on the original CEP thread NB: This was the 6th post on April 12th and I honed right into the SEC issue
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Just for fun IF you post something about Hilton girl you can have more vievs
and more money for Posting??
:applause:

[siska]

:eek: 10,239 views on the original CEP thread

NB: This was the 6th post on April 12th and I honed right into the SEC issue :D :p

But Don't forget from 10,239 views was 10,238 Yours and that One
was from Your twin brother Truethinjesusname.:)
many insults removed by administrator - 1 infraction point

[Webwatch]

Siska I think you may have an obsession with Ferret that can only be cured when CEP start paying again.
Unfortunately this is unlikely to happen, its been over a month now and still no sign of a CEP restart.
Whats the latest news apart from Trevor saying he is working hard behind the scenes.:head:

Maybe its time for CEP victims to start filling complaints:) or seeking legal advice:) to try and get some money back:) , or can everyone afford to hang around for another month/year:) .

I used a lot of :) because it worked for Trevor to get all your cash. :) :)

[mercinary]

That my friend.........is a lot of smilies. :)

-Merc

[Sucker in ATL]

I lucked out and lost an amount equivalent to a couple college courses. Let's call the texts for the course the first ten pages of this thread.

I know emotions are high but I tend to learn the hard way but never fall as far as most cause I'm too lazy to accumulate all my assets at the time I make stupid decisions. Kind of a fail safe for me.

So another lesson learned.

I would probably hate Ferret in another life but right now I have to give it to you for making the call way early and being a staunch protector of your position that you did not budge from and were eventually vindicated, much to the chagrin of the people like me that found this site a little late.

Once again, if it's too good to be true.....

I never participated in the CEP forum, was a lurker, came late, was catching up and decided to fire a few questions off to 'support' about one of the programs claims.

That being that CEP Coast allocates 4% off the daily advertising revenues to a buffer fund. Maybe of use to people who are shirtless, homeless and hungry right now, maybe not.

My first question (cep coast is down so this is paraphrase, responses are actual emails i can access) sooo, I asked what the mechanism is for applying the 4% buffer when the rates droped below 2%, as they had on 3 separate occasions in June.

Response:

Hello,

Your ticket at CEP Coast has been updated.

Ticket ID: 3706
Response: Hi Sucker,

Sorry for the confusion, but the terms do not say that it will never go below 2%. It merely says that if it ever goes below 2% in a day, then a portion of the reserve will kick in, but not necessarily enough to bring it above 2%. It all depends on how much the company made in advertising revenues that day.

We will be working on re-wording things soon, as many have been confused by the wording on our website. We have been discussing better wording for a few weeks now, and we will be implementing some of it very soon to avoid this kind of confusion in the future. Hope that helps!


Regards,

Michelle

Thank you,

CEP Coast Support Staff
-------------------------------------------

To which I responded something to the tune of, I'm not sure a re-wording is what I am looking for.

Is there a process in place that is initiated when rates drop below 2% to bring funds from the buffer account into CEP Coast?

If so is this process privileged information that is not available to the members?

If not can you explain this process to me mathematically?

Also, the site statistics have not been available for some time so it makes it difficult for me or other potential members to get an idea of how much a buffer is available. Perhaps you could give me the total advertising revenues received yesterday and I could compute the amount of rate relief myself.

sincerely,

Sucker

------------------------------------------------------------------

Ticket ID: 3706
Response: Hello Sucker,

You saw the part about the wording and not this part.. Concerning what the Terms says:

...It(the terms) merely says that if it (the percentage) ever goes below 2% in a day, then a portion of the reserve will kick in, but not necessarily enough to bring it above 2%. It all depends on how much the company made in advertising revenues that day.

Anything more that you may desire to know will be passed along to an administrator.

Thanks,

Michelle


Thank you,

CEP Coast Support Staff

------------------------------------------------


so anyway. i didn't do nearly enough DD before I entered this program. I knew I should have but I'm a hard learner like I said. Now I am well versed thanks to my free education from Ferret et. all.

Good luck to all. [insert deity here] be with you.

[annwey]

When y'all were posting negative about CEP, I thought "why? It's paying". Well, I foolishly put in bigger bucks then it stopped. I never got a penny out of it and sadly I think it's not coming back and will never get anything out of it. I'd be happy just to get my money back but that's not likely to happen either. :rant:

[sisco50]

When y'all were posting negative about CEP, I thought "why? It's paying". Well, I foolishly put in bigger bucks then it stopped. I never got a penny out of it and sadly I think it's not coming back and will never get anything out of it. I'd be happy just to get my money back but that's not likely to happen either. :rant:

You may be totally right about not getting any of your money back. I consider pennies on the dollar as not getting your money back. But to some folks it will be better than nothing at all. Ofcourse there is no guarantee that anyone will even receive pennies on the dollar.

[Accountant]

The reality is that their is very little to give back, most of it was paid out to earlier investors so they would cheerlead the last crop in to be harvested. In spite of what Executive is saying on MMG, the majority of the estate willin the end be profits returned by the early investors, and the cost of getting it back consumes most of it.
Want to make some serious outrage, all the victims should be screaming for these "winners" to voluntarily turn over their winnings to the reciever.
Gee, that's an almost brilliant idea....saves most of the legal fees that they are complaining will eat up the refunds....someone should start a movement!

[HonestIncome]

April 12th, 2007
The first and main purpose of this site is to help you make money. I [Trevor Reed] have been successfully making money on the internet for some time now, and I want to help you do the same.

I know how hard it can be to find trustworthy places to invest on the internet. That's why I decided to start Colon End Parenthesis.

Any money you deposit into our program will have my personal guarantee to earn more money over a selected period of time. This will not be a Ponzi scheme (or pyramid scheme).

I will not be counting on future deposits in order to payout! I have learned where to trust monies to make a profit, and that's where the monies with which you trust Colon End Parenthesis will go.

You will find nothing but honesty here, so you can ask me any question you like. I have a profile so as to break down the "I'm better than you" barrier.

I'm just your average person who wants to work together to build wealth in the lives of interested people.

There's a link to the left explaining what we currently offer in greater detail, and we are working on an FAQ and an in-depth guide to assist new members. Always feel free to e-mail us with you questions, and--perhaps most importantly--have fun!

Here is the rest of the baloney

What a load of CRAP. Anytime a program says it is NOT a Ponzi scheme
(or pyramid scheme) then that means that of course they are.
Can you find any REAL business that has to make these kind of disclaimers?

The first and main purpose of this or any site is NOT to help you make money, but to make money from you. Anyone who BELIEVES otherwise is a fool that will soon be parted from their money.
What is this guys personal guarantee worth? How is he going to back
this up when the things go bad? Sounds like meaningless words to me.

Kim Inman had a triple your money guarantee which we are still waiting
for him to honor :(
I have to bump this up to emphasise the brazen audacity of
Trevor "Trust me I'm a Christian" Reed

Hopefully you YMMSS "victims" won't make this mistake again
but I am not holding my breath because I would probably turn
blue lol :p

I read this and see the next Jonestown while you believers say
"that looks like a nice picnic with refreshing beverages" :head:

Anyway this is my last scam bust and I am moving on before I
have less respect for humanity than I already have if that is
even possible........

Don't be sheep people, Question everything. If it sounds like its
too good to be true it is. Over and out :p

[HonestIncome]

I know emotions are high but I tend to learn the hard way but never fall as far as most cause I'm too lazy to accumulate all my assets at the time I make stupid decisions. Kind of a fail safe for me.

So another lesson learned.

I would probably hate Ferret in another life but right now I have to give it to you for making the call way early and being a staunch protector of your position that you did not budge from and were eventually vindicated, much to the chagrin of the people like me that found this site a little late.

Once again, if it's too good to be true.....

so anyway. i didn't do nearly enough DD before I entered this program. I knew I should have but I'm a hard learner like I said. Now I am well versed thanks to my free education from Ferret et. all.

Good luck to all. [insert deity here] be with you.
Thanks :) Actually another YMMSS guy who is also training to become a
minister got me going on this one and I think I was successfull in keeping
him from joining which made it all worth while :)

Sucker in ATL, from reading more of your posts I don't think you still get it...
My problem is that there is so MANY ways to make an Honest Income
online that I am constantly distracted and don't focus very well.

Many criminals have talent but they shoot for the fast, quick and dirty
where if they had put their focus into honest endeavors meeting needs
they would have succeeded beyond their wildest imaginations

Trevor Reed was not one of those however........Trevor you lying, cheating
scumbag I hope you rot in your own private hell for all the destruction
you have wrought upon thousands for your personal gain
You truly are demonic not that I believe in that crap :) :p :weep:

[HonestIncome]

Obviously we aren't lawyers and would have a hard time understanding or knowing in full what the SEC requires.

I do know that Trevor has a lawyer on retainer and I'm sure that he's looked or is looking into the SEC regulations.

After speaking with his lawyer they were able to change CEP from "place money in the system in hopes of a greater return" into a true investment company and using the term investment loosely.

That just shows me that they actively looked into the SEC and the regulations therein. I'm honestly not very knowledgable on the SEC or the regulations so I cannot say either way. I'm just trusting that CEP's lawyer is qualified to deal with this type of company. Valid argument though. Do you know if being registered in Belize has any effect on this discussion? I'm curious as to what effect that has on an investment company.

FYI:


I haven't heard of any pending investigations on CEP from the SEC/IRS/FBI. You can find my thoughts on the authorities in this post. (http://www.matrixwatch.org/forums/showpost.php?p=52124&postcount=162) Reading through the posts of Trevor and co, I firmly believe that if that were the case, we would hear about it. I'm personally not affraid of an investigation as I feel that if they are legit with the investments (as CEP has said since 2005), the government would give them time to acquire the correct licenses (if they don't have them already). That said, feel free to turn them in if you're concerned about the welfare of people investing into CEP. I don't think that it would convince anyone here but do whatever you feel is necessary.


If I were Trevor, I would use the lawyer I have on retainer and go after you legally. You're correct, it isn't slander against me personally, but it is directed at Trevor Reed personally. You would be in a tough situation were he to pursue you legally. I'm sure by this point no one takes you seriously but that wouldn't stop me, personally, but I'm not Trevor.

How many companies have you said were scams that turned out to be scams? The highest number of people on this site simultaneously was over a year ago and it was only 365 people. I'm sorry, but MatrixWatch isn't something to be that excited about. You did make me laugh though. Thanks!

I do agree with you all, time will surely tell.

For those who have recently joined the conversation, you can find the beginning of the discussion on page 7 of this thread. (http://www.matrixwatch.org/forums/showthread.php?t=5320&page=7)

GodBless.

-Pozey
Hey PoNzey :)

God bless you too!!!

PS: You made me laugh so hard I messed my depends :D :p

[HonestIncome]

There's obviously not going to be convincing on either end. My point was to say my thoughts on CEP and why I believe it's legitimate. I feel I've accomplished that and from this point forward would only be repetition. Not one of us will be able to proove anything factual, however, time will be the one which decides the fate of CEP.

If I happen to be wrong, I'll be man enough to admit it. I don't know if that would be the case here but time will tell that as well I assume. That said, you won't be seeing me around here any longer. You've done your part on turning them in so we'll see what happens over time. Thanks for the entertainment, I thoroughly enjoyed conversing with all of you.

Have a great weekend!

PM me if you'd like to discuss anything further.

Talk to you all later.

GodBless.

-Pozey
The Ferret is waiting for you to come back and be a "man" :p

[HonestIncome]

When you can copy and paste why bother typing
up a storm? :p

http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Colon-Parenthesis-www-t26321.html&st=3150

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Divitime: You need a mental check-up!

Your ramblings are very, very disturbed indeed....

Why isn't this SCAM put to rest in the closed/scam section?????

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Divitime, I have to agree with Old B. You need help man. You have to be out of your mind or have something wrong with you. Get checked out for your own good. Your Posts worry me and Im worried about your mental state. Please seek some help for your own good.

Its obvious that Gold KItty has some legal experience and his/ her posts make total sense to the normal person. To try to argue with the points he/she has made is pointless when they make total sense. Nobody has been able to bring in facts to refute anything that GK has posted. What does that tell you man? GK is posting facts about the law. Its black and white and its simple. You are trying to be a trial lawyer with zero experience.

You are out of your league and you are are being embarrassed at best. Your posts are outrageous and laughable. You are a cheerleader that cant see reality. Your so called inside info is a joke at best. GK is eating your snack lunch man. Who do you expect to take that as something important when these guys possibly face criminal charges? This is one of many reasons that I think you might have lost your mind. Get some help man.


Chevy's, Chevy's, Chevy's. Haven't we had it out before? Lost my mind? Nah...you need to stay away from the bottle, Lonely Man--because despite being able to 'handle' this situation, you cannot handle your liquor (you need to stay away from it completely). This is my opinion, & the last time I checked, I was allowed to have one--even if it's not like everyone else's. PERIOD.


Old-B--right back @ ya--feelin's mutual...nothin' personal, even though you wanna take it there...leave me & my nuts (coj'ones) alone. I told your *** that before.

Look--regardless of how you feel about me, it won't get anywhere. I stressed my point to the fullest that the government lies: you may disagree with me on this case, but NO one will disagree with that. GK knows that she's on-point with the knowledge she knows/finds--she's an 'information sleuth' who loves to be correct--lives her life to be correct. Doesn't matter if things make sense or not, as long as she's correct, that's good for her. I'm not in competition with her--so PLEASE stop comparing me to her. I speak my peace, & even though it is unpopular right now, this is how I feel & what I personally know is invaluable--regardless of how you feel about me (STEP off). If I didn't know what I know, I would have the same stance as you. But I do--& that's why I will be the one person who you will try to scorn & ridicule until whatever I said happens. But if it never does...who cares, right? I was crazy...delirious...right?--WHATEVER. None of you bastards know me personally, so to think that you can just try to rip me just because the Government lies, & you don't want to except it--fine...whatever works for you. I'll still keep my stance because it's so obvious to me that a program like CEP wasn't meant for people like you. Everyone here is so 'me, me, me'----when on the real, a program like CEP was built upon helping people help others. & to stand by, & NOT have an opposing view about what the Government fabricated, made public, & got away with (outside of not having the license) is ridiculous. I admitted before--the government is so good @ what it lies about, it'll make you shift gears about everything you once knew about that company. I used to believe that the companies who they targeted probably deserved it--but now, I see that every company they target is 'guilty before proven innocent,' & it happens all the time--especially when the SEC is ready to force feed it's pockets, which is all the time.


This situation has brought the ugly out of everyone...when there was harmony amongst us. But hey...I understand--please keep my name out of your mouth--I didn't do it, & I refuse to be looked upon as if I did. The government did...& it's not my fault that good ol' Uncle Sam is working @ it's best to keep us all as employees...because he doesn't want anyone striving to get beyond the rat race.

Refute that...

-J-

THe problem with Divitime is that he thinks with his "nuts" and they are way
biigger than his brain

[Pozey]

Obviously at this point it seems apparent that I was completely wrong about the way things were being taken care of. I AM man enough to say that and I apologize for anything I've said that could've offended anyone. I personally believed in CEP and didn't see hard evidence on either end but apparently I was on the wrong side.

Have a great week!

GodBless.

-Pozey

[HonestIncome]

Obviously at this point it seems apparent that I was completely wrong about the way things were being taken care of. I AM man enough to say that and I apologize for anything I've said that could've offended anyone. I personally believed in CEP and didn't see hard evidence on either end but apparently I was on the wrong side.

Have a great week!

GodBless.

-Pozey
How about a personal apology to the Ferret? :p

[Sucker in ATL]

Sucker in ATL, from reading more of your posts I don't think you still get it...
My problem is that there is so MANY ways to make an Honest Income
online that I am constantly distracted and don't focus very well.


I don't get it.

What's to get? I have merely identified possible lessons from this endeavor. Pointing out how players to find success in this type of scheme would help anyone understand why not everybody is represented on these forums.

I was certainly duped as my name suggests but it was in the advertising itself that I found to be worth the money invested as I am a small time promoter looking to get some feedback on my videos and websites. I understand the game and will move on to whatever I think is productive. I did not start the program when it was identified as illegal or a scam which is why I think the psychology of it all is worth a look.

[MatrixWatch]

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