MatrixWatch.org resulting to slander

[Got Matrix]

After reviewing the following by WatchDog on the front page I will be sueing the owner for slander if this is not removed by 12PM EST today. These issues are completely falsified and thrown out of proportion.

1)PlugNPay.com has not dropped me, warned me, or have any problem with GotMatrix.com's operation. To this day I have not had a single chargeback or complaint filed and it will stay that way!

2)The complaint filed with the attorney general has been settled. It had nothing to do with GotMatrix.com possibly being a illegal pyramid scheme! The Attorney General sees no problem with how my site is ran!


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Merchant Account Termination: GotMatrix.com

Is this the end of the road for GotMatrix?

GotMatrix.com, a large matrix site that launched earlier this year, has been plagued with problems lately. They were just recently reported to the Ohio-State Attorney General's office for allegedly violating laws concerning illegal-pyramid schemes. Now, Got Matrix has been dropped by their credit-card merchant, PlugNPay.com. Matrix Sites depend upon a constant supply of new credit-card orders coming in so the current customers on their ever-growing lists can "cycle off". Lately however, many pay companies have been considering the consumers who can be negatively affected by these sites, and as a result, the pay companies are cutting ties with the matrix sites.

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[FightingBack]

Thank you for taking action GotMatrix! You are one of the best sites out there! I hope you are not just saying this to scare them and have them take it down. I really hope you go through with your plan to take action! It's time for these matrix sites to take action and fight back!

[Got Matrix]

Ammending my original post. I'm demanding a public appology from WatchDog replacing the current post. This is rediculous and if you do not take the right course then you're going to have a lawsuit placed upon you by this evening.

[FightingBack]

go GotMatrix!! WooHoo!

[sigx97]

hcvm

[FightingBack]

It just proves that 90% or more are all just lies here. That is what WatchDog has to do in order to get these people over to his side. What a SCAM!!

[sigx97]

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[FightingBack]

It's still up! Only 1hr till 12 EST!! Lets just hope it stays up so we can see this thing come true!

[FightingBack]

Also throw in the lawsuit emotional stress, and loss in sales. That they have caused so much damage to your site.

[mikv]

I would suggest that if Greg has enough MONEY to file and take watchdog to court, then he should have the money to CYCLE a few people on the huge and stagnant lists he has and run a proper advertising campaign. I think there will be alot of angry customers if he ties his money up in a court battle.

[Got Matrix]

Of course that's part of the lawsuit I'll be filing. They debadgered the name GotMatrix.com & they potentially cost us potential sales. Perhaps they think this will be taken lightly but they'll see if they do not meet my demands by 12PM EST, 48 minutes from now.

[Got Matrix]

We will be coming out of this lawsuit ahead, and I promise that after my lawyer/court fees I'll put everything else towards cycling our members.

[sigx97]

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[FightingBack]

Originally posted by sigx97
I bet it comes down at 11:59 am EST. Oh and Mikv, I would rather see watchdog sued.

I second that! I have been waiting for MatrixWatch to get sued any day now!

GotMatrix.Com You are taking the first step towards FightingBack! That is what my username is all about! Hehe

[Got Matrix]

Anyone know what timezone WatchDog lives in? Perhaps he's sleeping? This requires his immediate attention or one of his moderators who can remove this post until he is online.

[mikv]

Wow, and after all you've gone through to build a customer service oriented reputation. You definitely do NOT have the best interest of your customers in mind with these actions. I wonder what your customers would think if they read this...You say you DON'T have the funds to run any kind of offline promotions, and you DON'T have the funds to autocycle and close some of those HUGE lists, but you DO have the money to take on a LONG and strenuous court case that will cost THOUSANDS if it goes long enough which it will for a case such as this. May not be the smartest thing to do, although I understand you are protecting your company. So much for the customer comes first!

[FightingBack]

Originally posted by mikv
Wow, and after all you've gone through to build a customer service oriented reputation. You definitely do NOT have the best interest of your customers in mind with these actions. I wonder what your customers would think if they read this...You say you DON'T have the funds to run any kind of offline promotions, and you DON'T have the funds to autocycle and close some of those HUGE lists, but you DO have the money to take on a LONG and strenuous court case that will cost THOUSANDS if it goes long enough which it will for a case such as this. May not be the smartest thing to do, although I understand you are protecting your company. So much for the customer comes first!

Well I'm sure once he WINS the lawsuit he will get some money out of it. For loss in sales, and for stress.

I'm sorry to make the WIN big, but I am just being sure that GotMatrix would win, just like WatchDog is sure he is going to win. WatchDog is kind of cocky if you ask me.

[Got Matrix]

I think this lawsuit is in our customers best interest. MatrixWatch.org defaming our name is not something that should be overlooked. From the customers I've spoke with they're all for this lawsuit. Everyone is sick of WatchDog posting false information. I've never claimed that I wouldn't run any offline promotions, and we actually do have offline promotions. No we can't afford commercials but what small business can? This lawsuit isn't about the money, so please don't make this into a money issue. This lawsuit is about our reputation.

[sigx97]

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[Got Matrix]

I will be contacting the lawyer at noon, and however long it takes him to get it drawn up and files after that.

[sigx97]

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[mikv]

Actually I'm just giving Greg a little HEADS UP...His business is NOT an AIR TIGHT operation. As well these clones that he's got speaking for him just want to see someone burned at the stake. You ALL have to realize that when you go to court EVERYTHING is on trial. NOT just what you came to court for. Glass houses can be broken down with 1 tiny stone and at this point in time you can throw BOULDERS at gotmatrix. Regardless on what you want to see (watchdog going down), you will be taking yourself DOWN in the process. You must remember that MATRICES ARE ILLEGAL. It's like a drug dealer taking a drug user to court for slandering his product. NOT a smart thing to do, but if Greg is listening to Six and "the agency", he's setting hisself up for FAILURE. Scared, I'm not cause I have nothing to fear. Greg on the other hand has everything to fear cause he stands to lose everything by these actions. Good Luck!!

[sigx97]

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[mikv]

I'm not spinning anything, you got someone who is running what is an illegal lottery in some states and an illegal Ponzi in others, thinking of going to court. I'm just trying to keep Greg in focus cause it's obvious he's listening to you and his panel of misinformed others and he needs some guidance. Once again you've failed as a "hype" man for the site. I hope your court antics are better than your advertising tactics. Stop filling your leaders head with nonsense and help him get his focus back on his business. You are too quick to throw your whole business out the window over something like this. You have WAY TOO MANY people on your lists to use your money to go to court. I hope he informs his customers of his actions and tells them that he will be keeping the business "on hold" like he said. I smell CHARGEBACKS and REFUNDS on the horizon at GotMatrix.

[hurley9192]

Bring it on...I'd love to see your matrix site attacked on cross examination as to how you were slandered in your ponzi scheme you were running.

What are you going to tell them? That you would have cycled more people and added more people to your ponzi scheme, but now you can't scam another 90% of the people by promising them they will get a product when they cycle, not if they cycle.

[Got Matrix]

Considering matrix systems aren't ponzi schemes I don't have anything to worry about. Perhaps if they were deemed ponzi schemes I would, but they haven't been. You guys here at MatrixWatch.org always talk like EzExpo's case is over and they lost and deemed the system illegal, wellt hey haven't.

[sigx97]

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[mikv]

show me where it states they are legal?? Let's not drag this down that path as you will lose there too. So far the synopsis is what 4-1 in the legal field that they are either illegal Ponzi or illegal pyramid or lottery schemes. As well when you throw in the "bait and switch" advertising tactics you put yourself right in the line of fire during cross examination. It is too easy for the defense to turn this whole case around to a "prove why gotmatrix is legal" case. Whether you want to accept it or not, it is NOT the right thing to do for business.

[peterdragin]

This is real funny, this type of lawsuit is the hardest lawsuit to win and even find a lawyer to take on.

Greg would HAVE to prove he lost money, that means he would have to show PROOF that he lost signups. I don't think he could even do that with the state of the matrix sites now. He would have to bring records of how the site works and records of past sign ups before this statement and records of after, NOT!



This is just a bunch of hot air and all his clones will see this when the site goes into the dumper with all the other matrix sites.

It's just so funny to see all the clones jumping on this when they don't have the slightest idea what is involved, all they are thinking of is money.

LOL LOL LOL

[hurley9192]

so if I can do anything that's pretty much illegal, but call it something else and then it's ok, because no one has ruled that actual name to be illegal.

You matrix site owners are such a bunch of morons it makes me sick. The only reason I pay any attention to this is because it drives me nuts being surrounded by shady people that think they can make a quick buck and just call it something else.

People have been running ponzi schemes for years and selling some product that is worthless to make it look like they aren't really running a ponzi scheme. They've all been ruled ponzi schemes.

Bring on the courts, I'd love to have this exposed as soon as possible in a court of law so we can end this matrix crap once and for all!!!

[FightingBack]

So GotMatrix are you going on with the lawsuit? I haven't heard of anything yet.

[FightingBack]

Originally posted by hurley9192
You people are such a bunch of morons it makes me sick. The only reason I pay any attention to this is because it drives me nuts

Same with me. All you people that lie and continue to lie and make up stories make me sick!!! Hey we have something in common here!!

[mjkski]

I have to agree with Peterdragin- I have limited experience with the court system and that case is not easy to prove. Lost income will be very difficult prove and nominal if his list is moving anything like the other Matrix lists are. How many-one or two sign up on a good day? The whole court thing is such a slow, expensive and difficult process. And by the sounds of it- most of these Matrix owners have about as much resources available as my 14 year old son.

You don't know what Time-Zone he is in? Wow- I hope you have an address and name for your lawsuit- LOL :D

And do you really want to open up your business practice in a court system? Wow- I am sure there will be a few Attorney Generals that would love those transcripts to eradicate your "business". I don't think I would want to put my hand in that fire, it might just get burned all for a few hundred bucks.

[FightingBack]

Originally posted by mjkski
And by the sounds of it most of these Matrix owners have about as much resources available as my 14 year old son.

Now you how do you know this? have you gone around and talked to all the site owners? How about even 5 or 10? You do not know this for a fact so don't go spreading more lies and unknown facts. That is what this whole site is about it seems like.

[mjkski]

Well there is one ex-owner on this site asking about how obtain $300 on ebay to fix his car. There is another one who milks cows for a living...shall I continue?

[tcb1969a]

Originally posted by mjkski
Well there is one ex-owner on this site asking about how obtain $300 on ebay to fix his car. There is another one who milks cows for a living...shall I continue?


And your point would be exactly what......

[Agent|Star]

Well your forgetting... He planning to file about something not related to Matrix... :D So bash the guy all you want about the matrix system... He's going to take Tim to court for putting up false information im guess and ruining the business... again this has nothing to do with the Matrix system heheh...

Hey if someone can sue McDonalds for not telling her the coffee was hot and she burned herself.. LOL anything is possible.... I said it before everything is a potential lawsuit....

If what is posted in main is false information then it does not belong being posted up like that. You have all said it time and time again "Show Me Proof" and now what... Do you have Proof WatchDog to post what you have posted? I corrected you last night about your Kagi comment in main as well which is misleading since Kagi canceled all accounts not just StormPay & PayRequest as you make it appear. Edit time baby....

[Gasaraki]

I’d like to see how GotMatrix is going to put together a lawsuit against MatrixWatch.

No money? No problem! He doesn’t need a lawyer…. He can do it on The People’s Court , Texas Justice or one of those TV court shows! And the judgment is real too!

Don’t we all want to see is how he’ll screw himself and his matrix business in court. LOL. :D

[Agent|Star]

Originally posted by Gasaraki
Don’t we all want to see is how he’ll screw himself and his matrix business in court. LOL. :D


If that is the out come, sure you can enjoy yourself.
On the flip side, many of us will enjoy another out come. :D

[Got Matrix]

So where's WatchDog at? I'm awaiting his response/action. Perhaps a formal letter from my lawyer is a better action to take than a lawsuit since you're correct that slander is hard to prove. I just want false accusations removed, that's all I've asked. You guys shouldn't post information unless you've verified it. The information you've posted is completely incorrect and mislead. I just want this issue resolved, and if it takes a lawsuit it takes a lawsuit. As mentioned above this lawsuit would have nothing to do with the matrix system, it's about badgering my reputation and potentially put me at a risk of loss of business.

[Gasaraki]

GotMatrix:
wouldn't it be easier if you just ask your pay processor to issue a statment/letter. You can post it on your website and here. I'm sure that will resolve the issue you are having. This way you don't even need to hire a lawyer to write a formal letter.

[concerned]

Originally posted by Got Matrix
So where's WatchDog at? I'm awaiting his response/action. Perhaps a formal letter from my lawyer is a better action to take than a lawsuit since you're correct that slander is hard to prove. I just want false accusations removed, that's all I've asked. You guys shouldn't post information unless you've verified it. The information you've posted is completely incorrect and mislead. I just want this issue resolved, and if it takes a lawsuit it takes a lawsuit. As mentioned above this lawsuit would have nothing to do with the matrix system, it's about badgering my reputation and potentially put me at a risk of loss of business.

WOW, I bet everyone expected him to back down like this. First a lawsuit, now just a formal letter from a lawyer. I bet by the end of the day he will send Watchdog a note on a napkin written with crayon asking him to remove the statement because it is hard to scam people otherwise.

[mikv]

he should probably draw one up for his customers too. He has the money to start a lawsuit with, but he doesn't use it to advertise or to cycle people. As well during the coarse of this thread he has confirmed that he doesn't have his customers in mind at all. He was willing to make his customers wait until the verdict of this "almost lawsuit" before he puts any money into them cycling, yet he seems to have enough money to take watchdog to court and that will be about as much to cycle his Plasma TV list and close it out. I think this thread brought to light more than just slander, lies and deceipt seem to be lingering on the part of this owner and the way the business is being run.

[sigx97]

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[concerned]

Originally posted by sigx97
Have you forgotten that there is proof that what is posted on the front page is FALSE???? Its a lies and it is slander.

What proof, I haven't seen any proof yet. Can someone show me the proof that this is a lie?

[mikv]

I'm talking in general, I've read through the GotMatrix forums and everytime there is a question with what Greg is doing with the funds he's taking in, he claims he's not taking in that much. He also was quoted as saying he doesn't have the "budget" to run any major ad campaigns. As well he implemented an Autocycle a couple of months back and that has done absolutely NOTHING to help out the lists that have been stagnant since the PayPal debacle. Now he's in here talking about a lawsuit that will cost literally THOUSANDS of dollars. Well I question his motives with that statement. How can you tell your customers that you DON'T have money and you CAN'T close any lists but yet he opens more lists and then talks about taking people to court. He obviously has the money to cycle people, he is just choosing the let the lists cycle themselves. You need to remember that the WHOLE mission of GotMatrix is to now CYCLE PEOPLE. He is already off the ground and it's too late for him to turn back. He is so big that if he decided he wanted to quit he couldn't. He promotes the MATRIX LISTS when he promotes, NOT the EBOOKS. So he is obviously selling LISTINGS NOT EBOOKS. In that case, his mission is to CYCLE people to STAY WITHIN THE LAW. If he doesn't cycle people he is running a scam. YOu can't promote the lists then not cycle people and still say you are legal!

[mjkski]

To defense of Got Matrix- I would not be happy either if something false was posted about my company. So I hope it gets figured out soon and if Watchdog is wrong he should post a retraction and an apology. I think Got Matrix was just trying to expedite matters with his big threats. It is interesting though how people react when things like this happen. It is very enlightening.

And Sigx- Have you ever made a mistake? I have- Like wasting my money on a stupid ebook-LOL. Several large newspapers print inaccurate things all the time. And maybe just maybe Mikv actually cares about other people- unlike other people I know. Man is Mikv sick or what?- actually caring about other people getting taken advantage of.

[sigx97]

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[hurley9192]

I have years of experience with lost wages and calculating economic damages...you will have to prove that you lost income as a result of the sladerous offense, which happened this morning.

Also, you have to prove legitimate business income lost. So, you are going to have to prove in court that your business is legitimate to show that you have suffered damages. Also, you will have to show a decrease that can be attributable to the statement made, so we would look at your economic position before the statement and after...I'd like to see how this statement has affected your economic position.

Also, just because a few cases make it out and get emotional distress doesn't mean that everyone does. Almost every case claims emotional distress and they usually never get anything for it. So, really you are limited to your economic damages...

bring it on!!!

[hurley9192]

Originally posted by FightingBack
Same with me. All you people that lie and continue to lie and make up stories make me sick!!! Hey we have something in common here!!

If you can prove one statement that I've made that is a lie...then show me.

This site has done nothing to break the law. Now, running a ponzi scheme is against the law...

[sigx97]

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[MatrixWatch]

What is going on? I just logged on, and it is 12:30. GotMatrix, if you want to talk to me, then just email me. You said that you were reported to the Attorney General, so I posted it. I've altered the announcement by editing out the part that said you were reported for pyramid laws, and just left the part about you being reported for allegedly violating "something". Please fill us in as to what you were reported for.

[mikv]

I see the changes made on the home page, but the part about GotMatrix being "dropped" by the Merchant Account is still there. This is what this thread started out as, Greg states that his site did NOT get dropped and he threatened legal action for posting that. Did Got get dropped or not??

[Got Matrix]

What's this about PlugNPay dropping me though? I'm still with PlugNPay with no complaints. That's what I want altered. What was said to the attorney general is none of your business, but you can post the matter was resolved immediately if you'd like. Don't be posting false information.

[sigx97]

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[Got Matrix]

Yes, I'm still demanding an appology and the removal of GotMatrix being dropped from PlugNPay, your resources are wrong because we don't even have a complaint with them! I called them up today to verify and we're live with no problems!

[MatrixWatch]

Originally posted by Got Matrix
What's this about PlugNPay dropping me though? I'm still with PlugNPay with no complaints. That's what I want altered. What was said to the attorney general is none of your business, but you can post the matter was resolved immediately if you'd like. Don't be posting false information.

GotMatrix,
Ok, ok... Settle down now. I apologize if anything we posted was misleading. We report the information as we hear it and confirm it. I have re-worded the issue with PlugNPay. What is happening is that PlugNPay has entered the process of formally cancelling their services to you. For some merchants, cancellation becomes an immediate 24-hour fact, for others a 30-60 day notice of termination is given. I do not know what notice you were given from PlugNPay's management, GotMatrix, but when I reported that they "dropped" you, this is what I was talking about. The decision has been made, the time line is left for you to report on.

It would be better if you clarified and explained some of these claims, rather than flying off the handle and threatening to 'sue the messenger'. :rolleyes:

[mikv]

How is it that Watchdog would know about this BEFORE GotMatrix does?? Isn't that against the law for the Merchant Account to disclose that kind information to anybody other than the person who's account is being cancelled?? So technically there had to be SOME sort of word given to Greg about this.

[Got Matrix]

Funny I haven't been notified by PlugNPay and when I contacted my representative she said everything is live & no problems. Perhaps you can forward this email to me so I can review it, because at this point I have no knowledge of such plans.

[concerned]

Originally posted by Got Matrix
Funny I haven't been notified by PlugNPay and when I contacted my representative she said everything is live & no problems. Perhaps you can forward this email to me so I can review it, because at this point I have no knowledge of such plans.

I assume that they have representatives like most companies. They are similar to customer support employees. I'm sure that when you called your rep, all they did was look at their terminal, and tell you that it is CURRENTLY running, and there are no TECHNICAL problems. I bet you would have to ask one of the managers over there. That is just my guess, but I have had that kind of experience in the past. Once you talk to a manager, who is usually the people that make the decisions to cancel, then I'm sure you will find the truth. Also, you might want to check your mail box. I'm sure they would have sent a formal letter via regular mail.

[Agent|Star]

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At leaste an applogy was given that is good.

For future:
This place always says "show me proof" when site owners says they have been hacked or site is down for whatever reasons or even a site owner being attacked... Over and over "show me proof" Why is it that when something comes up against a matrix site you people don't honestly seek the REAL proof, you just begin making threads and now this GotMatrix issue an entire frontpage with false info.

I would expect that you have solid grounds and proof before making the frontpage reflect anything. You can't use your forum posts made by various people as your proof. You should have spoken to the site owner or any other individuals/companies involved to make sure your frontpage or announcments are factual.

WatchDog you know this place gets a lot of viewers (for and against matrix), false information or misleading information is not good.

[Got Matrix]

Sorry I'll clarify that I spoke with the National Account Manager from Plug and Pay Technologies Inc. It wasn't just a customer support representative.

[Agent|Star]

Originally posted by mikv
How is it that Watchdog would know about this BEFORE GotMatrix does?? Isn't that against the law for the Merchant Account to disclose that kind information to anybody other than the person who's account is being cancelled?? So technically there had to be SOME sort of word given to Greg about this.


I didn't hear any word about GotMatrix being canceled expect by WatchDog... Which appears to be totally wrong... Imagine if I only found out this FALSE info from WatchDog how many others have?

Possibly the frontpage should now showcase an apology for putting up information that was untrue. Many people wont be able to read this forum/thread whereas WatchDog has apologized. That leaves a lot of people to believe the lie posted on the front... Only and proper way to clear that up is by posting a formal apology and edit on the frontpage.

[concerned]

Originally posted by Got Matrix
Sorry I'll clarify that I spoke with the National Account Manager from Plug and Pay Technologies Inc. It wasn't just a customer support representative.

OK, I was just trying to make a suggestion. You never know, the decision could still have been made by someone higher than that person. I'm just trying to make suggestions.

[Got Matrix]

Watchdog, you need to remove everything about GotMatrix from the frontpage about PlugNPay. When the time comes (if it does) that they cancel our services then that's the time you make a post about it, but at this point you're not backing up your statements so everyone is inclined to believe that you're making it up since you can't back it up. Either show us proof or remove it.

[MatrixWatch]

GotMatrix,
Fine then. I will remove the announcement, if it helps to settle things down on your end. I do think it odd that you are not using PlugNPay's services though, and offering no explanation as to why. This lack of clarification, combined with your strong reaction to our annoucement, tells me that something is still amiss.

[Got Matrix]

Thank you for your aplogy but I believe I deserve a frontpage apology so that everyone who seen your mislead information will now see that you were incorrect and you're sorry for posting false information.

[hurley9192]

I think you are giving Watchdog too much credit on this one...I don't think that his website posting is going to cause you any economic harm. You're going to have to prove that you have an unusual decrease in sales that can be directly attributed to his posting to get anything. I do alot of consulting with attornies and you are going to have to show that you are losing sales or cashflow as a directly result of this.

His statement may not be true, but c'mon...it's matrixwatch.org...not the home page for www.usatoday.com or yahoo or msn. Anyone who comes here definitely isn't going to be purchasing anything from you or not purchasing anything based on that statement. It just isn't visible enough to make a difference. If the people are here, they are going to hear a lot of other info that is going to turn them off matrices for good. The problem is that you base your whole life on this site and most of the people that buy into your site don't come here first. I only found this site by chance when looking around a forum on msn about matrix sites.

[Agent|Star]

Hurley and every other dog that didnt like this thread...


Bottomline, it was false information posted on the frontpage. WatchDog realizes that which is why he has/will edit his frontpage and has appologized to GotMatrix.

Thats it!

[MatrixWatch]

Originally posted by BigStarr
Bottomline, it was false information posted on the frontpage. WatchDog realizes that which is why he has/will edit his frontpage and has appologized to GotMatrix.

Thats it!

I have issued an apology, and removed the announcement for now. That doesn't necessarily mean that the information was completely false. I was not entirely correct about the reason for the Attorney General report, but the merchant issue is still in the air. Just sit back, wait, and see what GotMatrix has to say about their processor in the near future. If there are some changes, then you will see that what I said was true.

[Got Matrix]

In the event it is true then by all means you have the right to post it on your site, but at this point you haven't proven your statement.

[hurley9192]

too bad...I was looking forward to you trying to prove that the statement effected your ponzi scheme in a court of law.

I loved this thread...we needed some excitement and it's about time someone on the matrix side wanted to get this into a court of law.

I could just see it now...

Gotmatrix: I was economically injured by his statement.

Judge: what is your business?

Gotmatrix: a matrix site, where the early investors receive expensive electronics based on future purchases of later investors

Judge: sounds like a ponzi scheme to me...case dismissed.

[MatrixWatch]

That's funny. It would probably be the case too. It would also be an expensive civil case that he would need to use his customer's money to fund.

[concerned]

Hurley, you left out one part of the last part of the procedings that was next for the judge to say.


Judge: Case Dismissed, Bailiff, take him into custody.

[MatrixWatch]

By the way. Now that this is all done, let me point out a few significant errors.

#1- The correct participle is "RESORTing", not "RESULTing" to slander

#2- Slander is VERBAL assault, LIBEL is anything written. I could not be sued for slander because I didn't say anything. Greg would need to accuse me of Libel. By the way, Libel/Defamation of character cases are almost impossible to get going, and hardly any lawyers will bother with them unless they are being paid well, or suing someone extreemely wealthy. Greg's "lawyer" should have would have told him about this.

[hurley9192]

well, maybe not into custody...but probably would be fined and forced to pay back everyone that hasn't cycled...which would be a ton of money.

Also, there are a ton of people at the courthouse that get paid to report violators to the IRS. I'm sure there are more than just us that would love for this to go to court.

[Agent|Star]

Hum.. your really good at appologies aren't you. You say sorry then you continue with this? Nice........

[concerned]

Originally posted by hurley9192
well, maybe not into custody...but probably would be fined and forced to pay back everyone that hasn't cycled...which would be a ton of money.

Also, there are a ton of people at the courthouse that get paid to report violators to the IRS. I'm sure there are more than just us that would love for this to go to court.

Actually, in Ohio, running a ponzi scheme where you collect more than $500 is a 5th degree felony. Fines as well as 1 year in prison, so actually, I was right.

[hurley9192]

game on!!

So, when are we going to court Gotmatrix?

[sigx97]

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[hurley9192]

how am I spinning anything? Gotmatrix said he would sue if it wasn't taken down at noon EST.

GM was supposedly injured through slander of this site, even though slander is spoken, not written word. I think he should sue based on his economic damages.

[Gasaraki]

Damn it! So I am not going to see them on The People’s Court? :mad:

[MaxPower]

Whoa, I was gone for a day, then I come back and all of this has happened? Good to see that it calmed down in the end.
A court case would be very dumb to file. Probably a waste of time.
And about the lost income... I would doubt there is any, Matrixwatch is an after-the-fact website, I don't think too many people come here to make a decision on whether to buy into another matrix. They probably come here to get their money back.
I don't know if the information was true or false (I never even viewed the message that caused this discusion) but I sure hope everyone leaves it alone.

[matricesarebad]

so this is how this site is ran. Lies lies and more lies well at least it's better then a soap opera but come on thugish ruggish doggies get with it and get your facts straight.
At least lie a bit better.:D :D :D :D :D :D :D

[MatrixWatch]

You don't know what you are talking about. Got Matrix knows what is happening, and that is all that matters right now.

[MatrixWatch]

I trust that they will inform us within the next 72 hours about the updates to this.

[Got Matrix]

WatchDog, once again please forward me this letter. I honestly have heard nothing from PlugNPay & when I contacted them they said there's nothing wrong & no complaints so prove it.

[concerned]

I think that this was one of the most popular threads on this site. It had 1200 views. Greg started it because he was trying to tell everyone that Watchdog was spreading lies. He was trying to get Watchdog to take the announcement about PlugNPay dropping Gotmatrix as a merchant. The reason Greg didn't want this TRUTH to be known is because he doesn't want to lose customers. His matrix lists are so long, it will take decades to cycle. There is one list that has over 3000 people waiting to cycle. Well, Greg continued to battle the anti-matrix people here, and tried to tell everyone that Watchdog posted lies. Then, we find this post over at Gotmatrix Forum in response to a customer asking about using a credit card.

Here is the dialog between bmiller and Greg.


From bmiler
the real reason i am here, is i tried earlier to pay with credit card. i noticed that it says you take credit cards, but nowhere for me to enter the number. te only reason i came here was because someone said you had your own merchant account, and could process cards. i don't like to use pay processors because i don't trust them. they can be made by any kid in the world. i also noticed that in your announcements you state that there was an audit going on. is that over yet? can you let me know when i can run my card? i won't do business with anyone that uses those pay processors.

thank you

From Greg
Currently are credit card processor is offline. We're tryiing to resolve this issue in a timely manner. We're hoping to have it back online by friday. More information on the situation can be found in the Announcements forum.


From bmiler
well, it is friday evening, and still no cc option. i guess you haven't gotten it up yet. i'll wait till monday night. if not, i'll go somewhere else. can anyone else tell me where i can go to a matrix site that takes credit cards? not one of those processors like paypal or xcompete or solar pay, but like gotmatrix used to have. i don't trust those kind of processors, because anyone can start them. they aren't backed by any good banks, and they are not fdic.



From Greg
Unfortunately they never returned my calls, very unprofessional. However I may just switch merchant banks since they apparently don't want my business since an audit wouldn't take this long. Merchant bank shouldn't take more than 48 hours to setup.


I think it is time that Greg comes here to eat some humble pie. I think it is time that GREG comes here to make an apology. In fact I demand that you give Watchdog an apology. That is what you were demanding of him last week.

[Got Matrix]

Quit picking on my site, lol. Time to pick on someone else! PlugNPay is my processor, I have another company which is my merchant bank. If you know anything about processing cards on the internet you'd know there's a difference. In that post it clearly states "merchant bank" not "processor or PlugNPay"

The information he posted is false, perhaps he did have some insight but it was incorrect. 1)They didn't drop me 2)PlugNPay is in no way associated with the audit that is being performed

[Agent|Star]

I dont think anything was wrong with GotMatrix asking for an apology. Obviously, when you check the replies made by WatchDog that day he did infact realize his wrong doings so you know WatchDogs post wasn't 100% accurate yet it made frontpage =o\

We all know WatchDog wouldnt have appologized unless he felt it was necessary.. and on that day WatchDog did appologize...

[MatrixWatch]

Originally posted by Got Matrix
PlugNPay is in no way associated with the audit that is being performed

Now you're playing games. You need to be up front and honest now, Greg. I think it is very suspicious that you have many excuses, yet the PlugNPay option for payment was totally missing after I made the big announcement. It is still gone, and you have picked up another processor that will likely drop you again.

We will not stop combing through your site until you start giving some answers.

[Got Matrix]

I removed the option simply because during an audit they don't release funds, why process cards if the funds get temporarily held? Any other answers you feel that you need?

[concerned]

Originally posted by Got Matrix
Quit picking on my site, lol. Time to pick on someone else! PlugNPay is my processor, I have another company which is my merchant bank. If you know anything about processing cards on the internet you'd know there's a difference. In that post it clearly states "merchant bank" not "processor or PlugNPay"

The information he posted is false, perhaps he did have some insight but it was incorrect. 1)They didn't drop me 2)PlugNPay is in no way associated with the audit that is being performed

Yes we know that PlugNPay is your credit card processor. I do know what the difference is. Do you? Please read this post that you posted again.

Currently are credit card processor is offline. We're tryiing to resolve this issue in a timely manner. We're hoping to have it back online by friday. More information on the situation can be found in the Announcements forum.

You clearly say here the phrase "credit card processor." We all know that to be PlugNPay.

Now, please reread the last post.

Unfortunately they never returned my calls, very unprofessional.

Since you only stated the credit card processor, and not merchant or bank or anything else, then you are OBVIOUSLY stating that they are the credit card processor, or PlugNPay. When are you going to finally admit the truth? When you are in Jail?

[Got Matrix]

PlugNPay is a gateway for accepting payments.

[MatrixWatch]

Geez.. I was just remembering this whole situation. How ridiculous.

In the time since this episode, Greg has become so trustworthy and he has proven to everyone that his site really is legitimate. :rolleyes:

[Dreamer]

Thanks for the laugh! Thats the first time I saw that thread. I just wish crybaby would have gone through with his lawsuit. He seemed so into it. He wanted to sue for slandar? isn't the point of slander is to something falsely spoken (I'll forgive him on the term though). So, if its falsely said, doesn't that suggest knowing the truth but lying? Isn't that hard to prove?

If I called the crybaby a great guy, that would be slander, no? Because we all know that he is a lying deceiving scumbag, and even knowing the truth, I still call him a good guy.

So, why did you apoligies to this joker anyways? It seems like from the later postings that perhaps you were right. Were you?

[MatrixWatch]

After reviewing the following by WatchDog on the front page I will be sueing the owner for slander if this is not removed by 12PM EST today. These issues are completely falsified and thrown out of proportion.

1)PlugNPay.com has not dropped me, warned me, or have any problem with GotMatrix.com's operation. To this day I have not had a single chargeback or complaint filed and it will stay that way!

2)The complaint filed with the attorney general has been settled. It had nothing to do with GotMatrix.com possibly being a illegal pyramid scheme! The Attorney General sees no problem with how my site is ran!



Sorry to bump up an old post, but I just thought that Greg's first post in this thread was quite funny when I consider everything that GotMatrix did to its victims *cough* customers in the months following this announcement. :rolleyes:

[concerned]

Hey, whatever did happen with that lawsuit against Matrix Watch. :) HeHeHeHe

[anakin]

hey there isnt a forum on GM anymore

[concerned]

Yes there is. You just posted in it. There just hasn't been any activity in it for a while, because everyone must have given up hope already. It is a subforum of the US Based Matrix sites forum.

[jokach]

anakin

Did you mean are there any forums on the GotMatrix site itself anymore? If thats what you mean, Greg removed them awhile back because everybody was on to the fact that he was scamming people. New users would read the forums and learn how it really works, so it was bad for his business (if thats what you call it).

So really the only place to discuss Gotmatrix is here at matrixwatch....

jokach

[ycchen]

If only we have a critical mass of victims filing enough complaints, we just "might" be able to get at least one authority to act. Greg Day, the owner of gotmatrix, uses a stall tactics (like all con-artists would do) to buy himself more time, and he succeed.

A few active victims were exhausted in mobilizing more victims to file complaint while many might have just given up since they might not lose much (why bother to file so many complaints if you only lose $90?).

It is a pitty that we did not get the momentum going and now Greg Day is still happily sitting on all the money stolen from his "customers". Who knows, some newbies might continue to write check to him since gotmatrix.com is still "functioning" :mad:

I think misconception of the idea of "scam" by some victims also goes in favor of Greg Day.

For us at MatrixWatch, matrix-site ITSELF is a scam because it is running in a debt-driven ponzi/pyramid model. Therefore, anyone who runs a "straight-line" matrix is running a scam. That's our definition of scam.

However, some victims (or should I use "customers") thinks as long as Greg Day continue to pay the cycled customers, he is keeping his promise, thus a good owner, therefore he is not running a scam. So, when the site is down and Greg fails to pay cycled members, these type of misconcepted victims became furious and decide to take action against the "bad" owner, and not the matrix-site itself.

Greg Day is not dumb. He knows the weakness of these type of victims. So, he just put up his dead matrix-site again, and pretend that "business as usual".

Yes, they are few people who haven't got paid, and they are still yelling at Greg for their shared of the pool of money. Most victims who are still stuck in the waiting lists find themselves in a bad position that they cannot argue that Greg Day is running a scam any more since the site is still "functioning" (who knows?). Their definition of scam -- site function or not (which is a misconception) -- has played a part in slowing down complaints against gotmatrix, unfortunately.

For us, whether the site is functioning or not does not matter. The fact that 90% of customers (or 98% in most UK matrix-sites) will never get paid is the solid fact against gotmatrix or any matrix-sites on this planet.

Anyways, I am still hoping that victims of gotmatrix continue to get together to file complaint or find an attorney to file classlawsuit.

Of course, on behalf of all victims, we apprecate those who have tried their best in filing complaints and mobilize their victims to do the same. :applause:

It is still not too late. Greg Day is still there, Gotmatrix is still "functioning" and probably still receiving check from newbies. :(

[sigx97]

=(

[ycchen]

Any latest update on Got Matrix?

The gotmatrix is still "there" ... lol :shake:

[sisco50]

Any latest update on Got Matrix?

The gotmatrix is still "there" ... lol :shake:

Not been there in over a year now. Maybe I'll go take a peek today.