CEP Forum Locks out Layton

[Webwatch]

Seems one of our members (Mechanic) has been overly censored over at the CEP forum.
We may not always agree at times but I welcome Laytons input on the situation.

I missed a lot of the controversial posts in question but reading between the lines it had something to do with religion.

The locked thread with some of Laytons fellow members asking what happened I will copy here just in case it gets deleted.

http://www.colonendparenthesis.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3530
I see he's no longer listed as a moderator. Would this have to do with the post he made late last night in the "Comments/Suggestions" folder? BTW, I don't see his post there anymore, either
Yeah, I'd like to know as well.

I can't believe he'd be ousted for speaking his mind.
The thread you're referring to has been censored without any explanation.
For a moment I thought I'd start an other thread just to ask for the justification of this measure - but I thought maybe I'd be taking a risk by doing so cause it seems you are not welcome here if you say you don't like to see all those religious posts eveywhere and / or that you don't share the same beliefs. Well at least that's what I feel. I'd be curious to hear an official voice to tell me if I'm right or not on this point.

Seb.
What was he stating in his post, I missed it, I would like to know also.
In short (very short cause I don't remember it all) he was saying that all those out-of-control religious posts everywhere were too much for him too. So far if I'm not mistaken we've been 3 to dare saying more or less the same thing in that thread.
Post from Layton from the c88. Does he know something we don't, someone say something?

"Well, I see it has reached the stage of censorship on the CEP forum, I made a post that was my personal feelings and some one in their infinate wisdom decided to lock me out, so ok that has me very ticked off. I am at this time going to tell and not pull any punches on any of the forums, I am going to post what I think and not be nice about it, I have kept quite before, but no longer and you are really traveling under delusions of granduer if you believe what has been told to you.

Layton

All of my comments will be on other forums, in fact am signing up to some other one and then I will really air my feelings that I have had about everything, and yes I am mad about censor ship that they say is not happening and some other things. At the peresent time I am still coasting, in fact 7 days since everything has happened, I am not repurchasing, I am just trying to get as much as I can out. If I could get out of CEP, I would also do that, but they were smart in that."

Layton
Obvious from Layton's post he's trying to incite the membership, IMO. If he has specific info damaging to the membership then why isn't he posting that information? Yeah, he could counter by saying it would be removed immediately. So Layton, why don't you go post your enlightening information at matrixwatch.com. They will welcome whatever you have to say with open arms.

Lenny
I must say that at the moment I am finding Layton's posts a bit disturbing, and would have thought that one of the staff would have responded a little quicker than this. I think it's really quite sad
I read Layton's post last night, and while I didn't agree with some things he said, I don't see why he would have been censored, unless there was something there that I don't remember which would have justified being deleted.

I've read a lot of things on these forums that I don't agree with, but I do not wish to see anyone's honest opinions censored. Censorship of opinions is troubling to me.
I must admit his posts sound... Strange.
For the censorship I'd tend to agree with him... But on the other part of his posts... I must admit I don't actually understand.

Seb.
I don't know what Layton said that got his posts deleted. But if he said anything insulting towards Trevor the posts should rightfully be banned, IMO, period!

Lenny
OK folks,

I am going to place a temporary LOCK on this thread before it gets out of hand. Everything said at this point is leading nowhere. This will remain locked until the proper ppl return from their business to make an appropriate response.

Thanks for understanding,
HH

(NO, it is NOT censorship)
The tell tale signs of censorship have been creeping in for a while.

Laytons always welcome here of course.

[Webwatch]

A bit of damage limitation on the same thread by Pamela forum admin.
Hey guys,

Yes, Layton is no longer a Mod here but still has his membership. His posts last night were removed due to the content of them. It had nothing whatsoever to do with his opinions on the religious posts in the forum; it had everything to do with the way he slammed Trevor and CEP while wearing the Mod title. This is not censorship, this is proper forum etiquette. And anyone in the position he was would know this and should have expected the reaction it received. His attacks are considered insubordination and we reacted as we should have.

To those thinking he has any ‘inside information’ that you do not, rest assured, he does not. He knows what we all know; he got the same updates we all got. Anything else is speculation. However, he is angry and will likely continue his attacks against Trevor in other forums as he stated he would. He was only a Mod here at the forum and not a Staff member with access to anyone’s information.
We will also be looking for a new chat room. One we can put on CEP’s servers, and not be reliant upon someone else to keep it up and open all the time. For those who choose to continue to use the current room, please know that we have no idea how long we will be allowed to use it or if it will continue to be manned with Mods or Staff members.
Pamela
Bet we are all itching to know what Layton knows (I am) but thats of course his choice alone.

[MtnGrl]

Hello everyone. :rolleyes: I read this forum from time to time but signed up just now because I would like to be part of the conversation about/with Layton.

So Layton, what in the world is going on? You have a lot of people REALLY curious.

[roberbs]

This CEP thing is pure madness. They almost sound like some kind of cult. It's scary because I grew up in a cult like church. They must understand that they do operate in America. When I got an email from Skye I felt that she was living in a fantasy world where to say that CEP is a scam is an abomination and I should be careful not to be struck by lightning. I asked her what was I supposed to think when I don't get answers.

[gerty]

I know that Layton has had some personal problems to deal with along with the more trivial ones at CEP, I think he is just very tired. I never make accusations or any unsustainable statements when under the weather. It's always been the wisest choice.

[concerned]

I know that Layton has had some personal problems to deal with along with the more trivial ones at CEP, I think he is just very tired. I never make accusations or any unsustainable statements when under the weather. It's always been the wisest choice.

Why are you here making up excuses for Layton? He finally realized that CEP was a scam. At least one of you people snaped. I don't think he needs you here to give excuses. I am sure he did what he did on purpose.

[Ferret]

Why are you here making up excuses for Layton? He finally realized that CEP was a scam. At least one of you people snaped. I don't think he needs you here to give excuses. I am sure he did what he did on purpose.
No he didn't, Layton just has some disagreements with Trevor Reed
and CEP and they fired him as a Moderator.
He bad mouthed them in the forum and they deleted his posts.
He is still a member and posting.

Layton is still a scam junkie who maybe having a few doubts
and MW will not be the forum where he airs his differences.

Search for his old active MMG forum ID and read his posts
here on MW

concerned, stop making posts about stuff you don't know about.

[concerned]

No he didn't, Layton just has some disagreements with Trevor Reed
and CEP and they fired him as a Moderator.


And you don't know for sure that the disagreements are about Layton being scammed now do you?

[MtnGrl]

Ferret I am soooo confused. His old and current ID's on MMG? I would think one of them is "Layton". What is the other one?

[Ferret]

Ferret I am soooo confused. His old and current ID's on MMG? I would think one of them is "Layton". What is the other one?I meant that Layton has been there for a long time (old)
He has been involved in many scams and lost money in most of them.
He is a serial scam player and may be addicted.
Layton needs to join his local Scam A Holics group and stand up
and say "Hi, my name is Layton and I am a scam a holic.

He lost in YMMSS and now CEP is repeating the pattern

When will some of you ever learn?

[Webwatch]

I started this thread in the hope that Layton would come over and share some of his insider insight into CEP which in turn would be usefull, but by calling him names like scam junkie is not helping, although I think he will smile and not take any notice.

Sorry Layton I tried.
Better to have tried and failed..... etc

[Ferret]

Layton does not know anything....

He admitted that himself on the CEP forum

Layton does NOT have any inside information and
the beefs he will be posting won't be here as he said
he just registered on a forum where he will do that

layton
Joined: 05 Jan 2007
Posts: 535
Location: Houston, Texas
Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 4:40 pm Post subject:

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Thank you Pam, The server for the room went down and I turned in a Page, as for the room, I will not interfere in or say any thing in there to the contrary, If you want it, it is there, I gave it for the members to use, but that is strickly your choice, up to you. As for knowing any thing different, no I dont and I never said I did, dont know where that came from, all I said was that I was going to speak freely, but that I would not do it here or any of CEP forums, and that is what I will adhere to.


Layton

[Webwatch]

Speaking freely will do for me.
I have kept quite before, but no longer and you are really traveling under delusions of granduer if you believe what has been told to you.This statement might have lead to the missunderstanding.

Perhaps just a knee jerk reaction to being censored.

[MtnGrl]

When will some of you ever learn?

Don't look at me. I haven't lost anything at CEP. I'm just enthralled with the drama ;) It has twists, and turns, and ups, and downs, and smiles, and tears... just really has me on the edge of my seat. I can't wait for the Season Finale! :yes: **In best announcer voice** "How will it turn out?"

[concerned]

Don't look at me. I haven't lost anything at CEP. I'm just enthralled with the drama ;) It has twists, and turns, and ups, and downs, and smiles, and tears... just really has me on the edge of my seat. I can't wait for the Season Finale! :yes: **In best announcer voice** "How will it turn out?"

It will turn out like all other scams did, and the Soprano's last episode. People will come here and complain, cry, pleed, etc, then at some point in time in the near future, nobody will say another word, and the "screen will go blank" just like Sopranos. The reason is because people are too afraid to stand up for themselves. It the end, most likely people will accept that they got scammed, get desperate to try to make their money back, and repeat with a new scam. These things never have a proper ending, cause the victims don't have the guts to defend themselves.

[MtnGrl]

It will turn out like all other scams did, and the Soprano's last episode. People will come here and complain, cry, pleed, etc, then at some point in time in the near future, nobody will say another word, and the "screen will go blank" just like Sopranos. The reason is because people are too afraid to stand up for themselves. It the end, most likely people will accept that they got scammed, get desperate to try to make their money back, and repeat with a new scam. These things never have a proper ending, cause the victims don't have the guts to defend themselves.

I would have to change just one thing in your comments here. It isn't that people aren't defending themselves, it's that they are still playing nice. I remember watching the same thing happen on the Studio Traffic forums. People put on a brave supportive smile until all hope is gone that they will get their money because they don't want to irk the people in control of their money. Might be a little insane, but I think that's what happens :shake:

[concerned]

I would have to change just one thing in your comments here. It isn't that people aren't defending themselves, it's that they are still playing nice. I remember watching the same thing happen on the Studio Traffic forums. People put on a brave supportive smile until all hope is gone that they will get their money because they don't want to irk the people in control of their money. Might be a little insane, but I think that's what happens :shake:

Sorry. I have to disagree. I am talking in general. We have studied many scams. Here's one that you can read about on this forum. Gotmatrix. People came here to complain for almost a year. We had arguments with the admins of that scam. Then, when it finally was obvious that they were the scam we warned people about, the people stopped complaining, and nobody took action. It was the best example of how naive people could be, and how willing people are to just let scammers get away with their money. In many respects, scammers see that weekness, and that is why more scams sprout up. It is because the scammers know how to find the people that won't fight back, and they use it against them, so that they can have their cake, and eat it too.

[MtnGrl]

We will respectfully disagree then based on our varied experiences. I will take a look at Gotmatrix asap.

[mitrod3]

Another facter:

In our little section of CEP land....this was a "GOD IS IN IT" thing with Trevor being a man who had the plan in hand to see money moved into the hands of those who would send it into missions work, support networks for those in need, church building.....etc.....

That kind of promo goes a long way toward keeping folks from raising questions and talking openly when they should be raising questions and talking openly.

If the "big guy" is on the board and guiding the show.........what can be wrong?

[MtnGrl]

Hang on. I am re-working this post per some instructions I was given. Will re-post momentarily.

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[MtnGrl]

Well, Layton just let it fly on the Coastin88 forum. :applause:

http://www.coastin88.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2131

I don't doubt for a moment that his post could be deleted, or moved to the "Mod section" (which means out of sight), so here it is.


Originally Posted by Layton
Joined: 11 Dec 2006
Posts: 267
Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 6:26 pm Post subject: Not worth it any More

It just isn't worth it any longer, I strongly I will not get my funds out of either program before the C&D comes and shuts all funds off. The hand writing is on the wall and has been for some time, the only mistake was for believing that The C.E.P. companies are on the up and up, which they definitely are not. None of the Admins have said a thing. 88 is continuously having glitches that Our dear Clayton is working on and where he had problems before and said he had fixed, but now apparently they are now so bad tat he is working day and nite to fix them that he he has no time to talk.Now the few dolors that you make now, we cant even get to go to trust, and once we do, it takes two weeks now to get to the bank. When we had that problem before, we were told that new people were being trained, then we were told that they were caught up and it wouldn't happen any more, yea right, just what is happening now pray tell us now please. We were told it was not a matter of money, weeell, it sure looks like money problems when it takes so long to get to the bank. Myself, I do not believe the money is there, if you go back over the chain of events and look at them, you will see that there were no investments and it was new money in to pay old money. In December, there were only 1900 members, and then they opened it back up and had an influx and a lot put in large amounts and /or maxed out, then came time to pay and the problems started. As far as 88 and coast goes, they are surf sites, no matter what they call them and it operates off of member money and there are next to none outside revenue coming in. I dont know about you but I did not join to advertise, I joined to make money, which I definately am not doing now, I just wish that I could get my funds and go, but I am locked in to just try to get it out or until it is no longer acievable to even coast and is shut down with the C&D which is coming. but I have put all this on the back burner and moved on. My self I play this as a game and I never use my personal funds in them, I have funds set aside that is my play money and if this had played out, I would have increased my play fund substantially, but you lose some, then you win some. Just about everything that has been said is almost contradictory of the proof in black and what that is official of what is and will be coming down, it is out there and it is official, read it and look at what these sites are doing and you can see it whether you want to or not.

Layton, come on in here man and join the discussion. :yes:

[HonestIncome]

Layton, come on in here man and join the discussion. :yes:
Thanks for the update MtnGrl
If you keep copying stuff from the coastin88 Forum they are going to have to make it PRIVATE too like CEP lol

The BIG question is will Layton / mechanic be a man and finally admit that the Ferret was right from his very first post on CEP?

Has Layton learned his lesson and will he stop losing in scams?

layton
Joined: 11 Dec 2006
Posts: 268
Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 7:47 pm (http://www.coastin88.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2131) Post subject:

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Jennifer wrote:
I have to disagree with something. The title of your post ("Not worth it any More") does not jive with the content of your post. You, like many, are still here squeezing out every last cent you can, so it is indeed worth it to stay here and work this every day in order to accomplish that much.

You are so right, I am squeezing every single penny out and coasting everyday and letting it build up so I can cash out, and I have not and will not repurchase, if there was any way I could just get my funds, you can be sure that I would, also the only way you can even get any out is to coast and if you don't, it just stays there and I wont give them any funds if I can help it.

I just wonder if they were to offer complete refunds tomorrow, how many would take them, I for one would.

Layton

Dan
Joined: 11 Feb 2007
Posts: 152
Location: Illinois
Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 11:47 am (http://www.coastin88.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2122)

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Truth is; its Trevor's fault for not registering the other site, its Clayton's fault for not providing fully functioning web sites, its the attorneys fault for recommending freezing all the money, its the S.E.C.'s fault for dragging their feet with this investigation, and its the administrations fault for not having a real safety net in place for C88. Bad management

Membership grew, members sent in their money, members got referrals, members bought ad packs, and members repurchased. Good Members

[surfer]

This comment tells you all you need to know
about Layton:My self I play this as a game and I never use my personal funds in them, I have funds set aside that is my play money and if this had played out, I would have increased my play fund substantially, but you lose some, then you win some.
He doesn't care how many people get hurt.

His only concern is for himself.

[MtnGrl]

This comment tells you all you need to know
about Layton:
He's doesn't care how many people get hurt.

His only concern is for himself.

I think a lot of people on that forum are there only for their own self-interests. That is why you don't see people speaking out. If people spoke out over there new members would be scared away. If new members get scared away how are the old members "adpacks" going to get paid? They're not going to get paid! So people just stay silent so that new money will come in to the system to pay them out.

I am sitting over there and seeing some of the more rah rah type members sign in and then sign out without replying to Layton's post. They are probably thinking Just shut-up man! You're scaring our new money away!

By the way, you know darn good and well that is why you can only discuss Coastin88 on the Coastin88 forum. Because they don't want people to talk about how long it takes to get a cashout from CEPTrust or about the SEC and CEP. And the CEPTrust forum is gone so that the public can't read about all of the delays in the cashouts and witness how mad members are.

[surfer]

And to be honest, if all of this garbage only
affected people like Layton who know how
these ponzi's work, it wouldn't bother me.

It's like a gambling addiction for some people.

Only this type of gambling is illegal.

[HonestIncome]

And to be honest, if all of this garbage only
affected people like Layton who know how
these ponzi's work, it wouldn't bother me.

It's like a gambling addiction for some people.

Only this type of gambling is illegal.

http://www.matrixwatch.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5320&page=2
April 14th, 2007
WOW, you do really do surprise me to see you come out and show such hostility to a program with no facts except generalizations of all past experiences.

All of the older posters and the MODS and Admins are exibiting such hostility and as yet there are no facts posted as to why they are.

I am not in Talk Glod Forum am I? This is not the type of rantings and ravings that I am used to seeing here.

I have been a meber here for a while and I have never seen such unfounded rantings and ravings with n proof of them, if you have proof please post them so it will be out in the open for all to make their own judgement, if not please stick to the facts and lets see them please.

All I know is that the CEP programs have performed and have never been late on any payments to date. Is that to say that they will be here tommorrow, no because none of us knows what tommorrow will bring.Can any one explain why all the unfounded hostility from the top on down?

Layton

You still are not getting what I said, I said I was talking generally about predicting tommorrow, but you insist on applying it to the programs. But I am glad that you do have a crystal ball and can predict tommorrow.

You say you have not falsely acused any program, well you have as yet to put any facts down as to why it is except general perception, but since you already have your mind made up without any proof, there is nothing else left to say to feed the fire here, and you say the behavior of all the supporters ( and supporters ) are the same, so be it.

You do remind me of PN and Talk Gold, which is really sickening in the fact that you are posting with out facts, post facts and that would be the foundation of a good discussion, but since you cannot put down any facts except general run of the mill sayings, there is no use saying any more. Your advice at the bottom of your post is useless unless you post facts and not what you think.

Layton

The continued name calling does show the mentality that you have, you Have finally reached the low pathetic level that you can only resort your baseless name calling? It really does not do any good to try to carryon an intellengent when apparently you cannot comprehend any of it in your apparent mental state.

I can see it does any good to post any thing about CEP here any longer as it seems that no matter what is said, you already have your mind made up, no sweet, just eat your pathetic heart out and in the meantime I will continue to withdraw to my bank and enjoy myself while you continue to wade through the sick morass that you probably cant even name, and that is what is supposed to be your mind.

This will be the last remark that I will be making in this regard.

Layton

layton
Moderator
Joined: 05 Jan 2007
Posts: 468
Location: Houston, Texas
Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 3:39 pm Post subject:

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Ok, I did go over to Matrix Watch, I used to use them as a guide in my DD, But since the YMMS fiasco and the change in leadership, they are now no better than Talk Gold. I went over there to request facts but right from the start the admin had already made up their mind and to date have not put any fact behind their accusations.

All they have resorted is malicious name calling and then I decided that I would not post over there any more for the same reason that I do not post at Talk Gold, They already have their minds made up and nothing you can do will change their minds.

As far as saying that so and so talked to the SEC, well any one can say that, If I said I talked to The SEC without any proof of it, would you believe it? What you are doing in reality is just spreading rumors and it scares a lot of people that dont know that it is.

So, what I am going to do is leave this long enough for you to get the proof, If there is none by Tuesday the 8th, this thread will be deleted. We are a open board and want concerns expressed, but not un substantiated rumors, also if any one does not believe that they can make money and think they are going to lose, I ask you a question, why are you here?

All I can say is that despite all the SKY IS FALLING proclamations that are being made, there is only one thing and one thing that I care about, and that is that every single month I have been paid very good without fail, and that is the only thing that I care about.

Layton

[surfer]

Well, we also have to enjoy Angery Dog's
post from April 13, 2007
OK Until you can produce one (1) person in the last year and a half that has lost money in CEP companies or it's affiliates you should refrain form saying something you can't prove and remove this statement about something you don't know anything about form the forum. Who of you has the right to judge???
As I said before I will come back in a year from now and show you my earnings and then we will see who laughs last. So Long Boy's see you in January of 2008.
and again in March 2008. Have a nice year!!!!!! I sure will.
Reply With Quote
Just like Esto and YMMSS, it won't even take
a year for him to eat his words.

As always, it's basic math folks.

[HonestIncome]

:rolleyes:
I got this one just before it hit the trash bin

Looks like surfguy has a little YMMSS history too and
that he did NOT "Live and learn" and was definitely WRONG!!!

surfguy
Joined: 14 Dec 2006
Posts: 365
Location: Miami, FL
Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 9:08 pm (http://www.coastin88.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2131)

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Layton,

Why don't you join the brether'n at MW who take pleasure in your postings. All they talk about over there is how the (not C88 discussion) is going to shut (not C88 discussion) down.

So do the rest of us who are waiting patiently a favor and get out of here for good. Go play with your play money somewheres else. I'm sick of you people. When the going was good you had nothing but praise for Trevor and (not C88 discussion).

Now that things are not going the way you want it to all we get is contemptment from you towards (not C88 discussion). Man, I am sick of you and your rhetoric.

Sorry for being so blunt! Lenny

http://www.matrixwatch.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5320&page=4

surfguy
Joined: 09 Jan 2007
Posts: 56
Location: Miami, FL.
Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 2:04 pm Post subject:

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Yeah, they're all excited over there at Matrix because they were the biggest nemesis of YMMSS/STA and partied when it finally folded. Now they think their going to collect with this class action lawsuit. Good luck! BTW, I lost a bundle believing Kim Inman. Live and learn.

On another note, I wouldn't think that the SEC has any jurisdiction over CEP which is incorporated in Belize. Could be wrong.

Lenny

[HonestIncome]

Well, we also have to enjoy Angery Dog's
post from April 13, 2007

Just like Esto and YMMSS, it won't even take
a year for him to eat his words.

As always, it's basic math folks.

Originally Posted by Angery Dog
Yes I was in YMMSS and didn't make but $320.00 profit and lost a couple of thousand.:crazy:
surfer, the disturbing fact about this is that both
Layton / mechanic and Angery Dog had money in YMMSS

@ Layton, Yes I do have a crystal ball and I can
predict the future lol :p

[MtnGrl]

HonestIncome,

The post by surfguy at 9:08 isn't there anymore. He must have changed his mind.

Good catch there! You got it before he deleted it! Keep it up!

Edit: Oh, you caught that too and changed your post to reflect it was gone. :lol:

[HonestIncome]

HonestIncome,

The post by surfguy at 9:08 isn't there anymore. He must have changed his mind.

Good catch there! You got it before he deleted it! Keep it up!
I always keep it up, honey ;) :D

Thanks
I am on a roll, BaBy!

[MtnGrl]

I always keep it up, honey ;) :D

Thanks


I would reply to that but innuendo would just not do justice to what I am thinking. It would be absolutely inappropriate. ;)

[HonestIncome]

I would reply to that but innuendo would just not do justice to what I am thinking. It would be absolutely inappropriate. ;)OK, just send me a PM and pics :p

[MtnGrl]

OK, just send me a PM and pics :p

Oh, well, see, the way you come across you don't need any help ;)

(That isn't what I was going to say, by the way. My other comment is still left unspoken. :p )

[HonestIncome]

Oh, well, see, the way you come across you don't need any help ;)

(That isn't what I was going to say, by the way. My other comment is still left unspoken. :p )
OK, spit it out then........if you don't swallow :p

[HonestIncome]

Will easyrider60 be coming back here to apologise?

http://www.matrixwatch.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5320&page=4

easyrider60
Registered User
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 14

Originally Posted by Webwatch
Looking back on the early stuff CEP seems to have gone online around Jan 2006 although the earliest incarnation of the website seems a little comic book.

I have found other threads some time back that take it to Nov 2005 I have to say that they did put a warning in there: A word of warning: If you do not have patience, you are not meant to risk any monies in high yield investment programs.

So, please be sure you are qualified before signing up. If people choose to invest what's the big deal as it's their choice and their money to do so. For someone to warn people that they think it's a scam is one thing but some of the post go way beyond that.

It seems certain people are trying to take away the free will of others.Sounds like BIG BROTHER in the private sector.

It's their money and the warning is posted so the choice is their's. Can't say they aren't being honest with that.

I do have a question for Ferret...You seem to get a kick of bringing all the post from the CEP website here and making a long post for what reason?? Anyone can go to their website and read all that for themselves but if admin don't mind the severe space, knock yourself out. Whatever trips your trigger.
I guess the Ferret knew that one day the CEP Forum like most scams before it would go private and he wanted to save the evidence

[HonestIncome]

OK, back to Layton
The soma is wearing off at the CEP compound

Dan
Joined: 11 Feb 2007
Posts: 155
Location: Illinois
Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 11:10 pm (http://www.coastin88.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2131)

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I reached the same conclusions a few weeks ago Layton.

I don't think I'll ever trust a so-called Christian again in my life.

The money is gone, yet Trevor is off on a one month world trip.... Hmmm?

[MtnGrl]

OK, spit it out then........if you don't swallow :p

Well then, will do since now you've left the door wide open. lol

What I was going to say is that men are always thinking with two heads instead of one.

[HonestIncome]

Well then, will do since now you've left the door wide open. lol

What I was going to say is that men are always thinking with two heads instead of one.So very true, my dear and it will be that way until we pass on to the great beyond.......
Did you say "wide open?" :D

Stop spamming my thread please :p You will upset Layton

NCtoBoston
Joined: 29 Jun 2007
Posts: 2
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 12:09 am Post subject:

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Well I would certainly hope that if this is a business that is operating legally that they will shape up and get things back on track.

I agree that the timing of the apparent money crisis and the wedding with a month long honeymoon seems extremely fishy to more than a few.

If that really is the case then I'm sure that the appropriate goverment agencies will be breathing down Trevors neck faster than he could think, however if he is the man who he claims to be and who every one else claims him to be then he should have a fix for the problem hopefully within the next month or 2 at the most.

Anyone who planned their own wedding knows that they can be stressful and time consuming. That being said he certainly could not think that by keeping people in the dark with no answers or explanations that he will be able to sustain a business for long.

People will leave and the percentages will never recover or at best the good name of C88 and (not C88 discussion) will be out there for this kind of terrible service and lack of information to their customers.

Please admins and management, if this site info gets relayed to the top, tell them to keep us "customers" in the loop, we don't need to know the exact how's and why's of how C88 operates behind the scenes but we are not stupid and leaving the questions to the masses is obviously only breeding more contempt and speculation.

If you are interesting in keeping this going please keep us at least some what in the know of what you are trying to do, because frankly the level of information that has been provided to us to this point is very vague and gives nothing that really tells us C88 cares to keep us around.

Especially when more and more problems seem to be arising with no good explanation, such as the payout and cashout problems, if we are to keep helping the business and getting it back on track by rebuying you yourself are hampering those very efforts.

[lionshare]

After reading the last 3 hours of this thread, I don't know whether to smoke a cigarette or take a shower or both....

[MtnGrl]

After reading the last 3 hours of this thread, I don't know whether to smoke a cigarette or take a shower or both....

Why not just join in? Make it a threesome.

Stop spamming my thread please :p You will upset Layton

Oh I would not want to upset Layton :p He might spank me.

It seems no one else wants to either. We already saw in your earlier post how surfguy made a rant and then deleted it. Lately I've seen Sunshine1 (a moderator), Mr.Stylin2007 (a rah rah sisboombah butterflies and kittens type), and even maladil (someone publicly more disgruntled than Layton is) log on to the forum and then log out without posting in Layton's thread.

By the way HonestIncome, I'll open my mouth wide but I really like it when it goes down my chin and onto my chest. :p

[HonestIncome]

After reading the last 3 hours of this thread, I don't know whether to smoke a cigarette or take a shower or both....

Yes, it was truly another beautiful MW romance.......

And you are no longer a MW virgin! congrats on your very first post after
holding out for so very long :D

PS: Was it good for you too? :p

I can't help but think about Trevor and Ginger on their honeymoon.....
As a very good christian becoming a pastor I would have to believe that huge pent up explosions are still lighting up the northern hemisphere and may have even caused a few earthquakes
No wonder Trevor is taking a hole month off!!!

PS: MtnGrl, WE just posted simultaneously Who Hoo

[MtnGrl]

How totally ridiculous this moderator's reply (http://www.coastin88.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2131&start=15) is to Layton and those who agree with him. :shake:

Posted by NaaszFamily
Site Admin
Joined: 09 Dec 2006
Posts: 4250
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 8:30 am

If this is what you all choose to believe then so be it but I on the other hand want to believe in what Trevor has proven in the past to show us that he does care about each and everyone of us and that he does in deed have plans for long term success. I will accept no less because he will accept no less.

You can claim all you want but what good does it do? Seriously?? If you cannot predict the future then what good does it do?? And if you predict failure in life then that is all that will be accomplished. I will not predict failure, I will strongly predict success because success is what I want.

Skye

So this will alllll be better because she basically wills it to be?

I can only imagine her chanting to herself,
Trevor didn't scam us
Trevor didn't scam us
Trevor didn't scam us

She just doesn't get it. Scammers are wonderful people in the beginning of their programs because they want everyone to like and trust them... can't get more people to dump their money into the program if the admin doesn't put on a good face. Acting all likable and everything can only take a ponzi so far because when it starts to collapse there are only so many excuses admin can make. Trevor has run out of excuses. I cannot imagine anything else that can possibly "go wrong" over there.

[libby]

Yes, it was truly another beautiful MW romance.......

And you are no longer a MW virgin! congrats on your very first post after
holding out for so very long :D

PS: Was it good for you too? :p

I can't help but think about Trevor and Ginger on their honeymoon.....
As a very good christian becoming a pastor I would have to believe that huge pent up explosions are still lighting up the northern hemisphere and may have even caused a few earthquakes
No wonder Trevor is taking a hole month off!!!

PS: MtnGrl, WE just posted simultaneously Who Hoo



:rant: The way things are going, I doubt if there really is a Trevor, Ginger, wedding, or honeymoon.:flame: I think everything's packed up, and everyone who took part in the scam is getting ready to sail off into the sunset.:head:

[Webwatch]

:rant: The way things are going, I doubt if there really is a Trevor, Ginger, wedding, or honeymoon.:flame: I think everything's packed up, and everyone who took part in the scam is getting ready to sail off into the sunset.:head:
Its certainley a possibility.
I like the way Skye says the future can't be predicted. That is of course incorrect. Based on familiar precedents it is possible to predict a future occurence based on logic and mathematical fact.

Trying to deny the failure of a Ponzi based on positive thinking is equivalent to watching Star Wars over and over again and hoping Annakin doesn't turn to the dark side, (I really must get out more).

As far as Laytons moaning, totally pointless as he knows how these things end, and the only way he can increase his 'Play Money' is by others losing theres. I feel sorry for the victims who didn't know what this was all about but for those who play these games with their eyes open its hard to feel any sympathy at all.

Anyway looks like I missed some romantic encounters last night on this thread and I wish Honest Income and Mtngirl all the best for any future romance.

A quick thanks to Ferret who started the whole CEP discussion a few months ago and will be sorely missed, if only he wasn't right everytime.

[MtnGrl]

Man, there is a definite difference between s-e-x and romance :crazy: Anyway, it was fun there... thanks for the exchange HonestIncome lol

Ferret is gone? I need to pay more attention. When did this happen? :eek:

[William Wallace]

Has anyone done any DD that showed that these people
1) don't exist or
2) haven't invested our funds?

I mean hard evidence.

Thanks to all!

[libby]

I miss Ferret too.:yes: I know Siska is lost without him:confused: . WW, you are so right. A lot of us had been scammed before, but thought this was real. I didn't think Christians would do something like this:shake: . I guess I should have remembered Jim Baker, Robert Tilton and the other Televangelists that scam people everyday.:rant:

Also, HNV and a lot of CEP members practice the principles of "The Secret". They believe the Universe will grant them what they focus on. If they focus enough positive energy on CEP successfully making it through the SEC investigation, then CEP will make it through:applause: . There may have been some truth to that if it had not been set up to scam from the beginning.

Now, there is no way I believe that Trevor and Clayton did not know they needed to register with the SEC. They just knew they couldn't because they were running a ponzi:rant: . The same thing with CEPTrust. They know they need to be licensed to run a money processor. There were many people telling them that they needed licenses along the way, and they chose to ignore them.:nono:

[libby]

Has anyone done any DD that showed that these people
1) don't exist or
2) haven't invested our funds?

I mean hard evidence.

Thanks to all!

I'm not saying that they don't exist, but are they who they say they are? :confused: They evidently don't have the financial and programming skills they claimed to have. Do we really know if there is a Ginger or Trevor? :confused: Or if there is a Jessie (Ginger's twin sister)?:confused: Or if there is really an Earl (Trevor's dad)?:confused:

Do we really know that they have invested our funds?:confused: What do we know?:confused: Nothing at all, but what we have been told.

Would we really have believed what we were told if we had not been told that Trevor is in seminary getting ready to be a pastor? I wouldn't:shake: . I may have put a little money in, but I would have doubted everything they said. I certainly wouldn't have compounded any earnings.:head:

Why? Because I look at all of these as scams. This one tripped me up because I actually thought it was the real deal, and that is nobody's fault but my own.:head:

[MtnGrl]

Has anyone done any DD that showed that these people
1) don't exist or
2) haven't invested our funds?

I mean hard evidence.

Thanks to all!

I can't speak for anyone else here, but what I have is experience as a witness to these kinds of catastrophes.

My experience ranges far beyond this arena into other areas of business, but the "smell" of collapse is the same. What has been going on with CEP and it's businesses is not an anomaly. It wreaks of a business struggling to stay alive. The "glitches", the delay in payouts from Coastin88 to CEPTrust, the delay in withdrawals from CEPTrust, lack of communication and when there is any it's in little bitty pieces or in riddles.

They have shown me no evidence that they are NOT collapsing.

[libby]

Man, there is a definite difference between s-e-x and romance :crazy: Anyway, it was fun there... thanks for the exchange HonestIncome lol

Ferret is gone? I need to pay more attention. When did this happen? :eek:


MtnGrl,

You left one out! There is a difference between s-e-x, CYBER s-e-x, and romance.lol

[MtnGrl]

Oh definitely libby! lol

In any case it always leaves them wanting more. ;)

[Accountant]

DOes the C88 forum have a little program in it that changes certain phrases to "(not C88 discussion)" ? That is just so funny, like a little kid holding his breath until he turns blue.

[MtnGrl]

Yes Accountant. They have programmed the forum so that every time someone writes the letters "CEP" it replaces those three letters with "(not C88 discussion)".

If you write the three letter word "SEC" you get something too. Here, I will give an example here.



Here is a post from me to you here on MatrixWatch:
The SEC has CEP under informal investigation. This leads many to believe that the sister programs Coastin88, CEPCoast, and CEPTrust are also in trouble.



On the Coastin88 forum the same post would look like this:
The (not C88 discussion) has (not C88 discussion) under informal investigation. This leads many to believe that the sister programs Coastin88, (not C88 discussion), and CEPTrust are also in trouble.

I kid you not, that is exactly the way it came up when I typed it in to the Coastin88 forum.

[Accountant]

Someone remind me again why this isn't a cult?

[Mr. Stylin2007]

Oh I would not want to upset Layton He might spank me.

It seems no one else wants to either. We already saw in your earlier post how surfguy made a rant and then deleted it. Lately I've seen Sunshine1 (a moderator), Mr.Stylin2007 (a rah rah sisboombah butterflies and kittens type), and even maladil (someone publicly more disgruntled than Layton is) log on to the forum and then log out without posting in Layton's thread.

By the way HonestIncome, I'll open my mouth wide but I really like it when it goes down my chin and onto my chest.

For someone who has nothing better to do, I'm suprised that you were able to keep up with my posts in the forum. I hope you enjoy what I post, because from now on, I'll be checking your posts. If you feel as if you need to say something that relates to me in ANY way, you will no longer have to look for me, because I am making myself known to you. As for the way you present yourself in this Matrix Watch Forum, it is not professional and it is rather disturbing.

[MtnGrl]

Welcome, Stylin ;)

If I were looking for you I'd reply to your posts at Coastin88, sugar. Or I'd send you a private message there.

But seeing as how you signed up to this forum to talk to me, you found me so hey.

That's all I have to say to you, Stylin. So enjoy your stay here and don't think for a New York minute that it bothers me that you'll be watchin' ;)

[Mr. Stylin2007]

Thanks for the welcoming MtnGrl. I appreciate your response.:) So how are you tonight? It's been thunderstorming here. Did you take time to check out my picture?;)
~Stylin

[libby]

Thanks for the welcoming MtnGrl. I appreciate your response.:) So how are you tonight? It's been thunderstorming here. Did you take time to check out my picture?;)
~Stylin

Mr. Stylin

I'm still trying to figure out if you came here to pick a fight or get a datelol . I guess it doesn't matter. Warm welcome to you.:applause:

[Mr. Stylin2007]

Libby,
I'm here to make sure that facts are presented straight, especially if it relates to me at all.

I figured that since people view me as being someone who is positive, the least I can do is make sure that there is no slant on any information that is given. I may be a part of this advertising program that seems to have everyone's attention in here, but I'm not one who will feed off of wrong information. I take the facts that are given and I try to make sense of them all.
I'm not here to pick a fight. I just like knowing when I am being talked about. I don't like having people talk about me, whether it's good or bad, behind me back. I like to be included.:)
As for finding a date, I'm sure Forums are not the best way to look for one. There are other methods. ;)
Thanks for the warm welcome Libby.....much appreciated:)
~Stylin

[libby]

Libby,
I'm here to make sure that facts are presented straight, especially if it relates to me at all.

I figured that since people view me as being someone who is positive, the least I can do is make sure that there is no slant on any information that is given. I may be a part of this advertising program that seems to have everyone's attention in here, but I'm not one who will feed off of wrong information. I take the facts that are given and I try to make sense of them all.
I'm not here to pick a fight. I just like knowing when I am being talked about. I don't like having people talk about me, whether it's good or bad, behind me back. I like to be included.:)
As for finding a date, I'm sure Forums are not the best way to look for one. There are other methods. ;)
Thanks for the warm welcome Libby.....much appreciated:)
~Stylin

Stylin,

You're right you are a positive guy. And that's good, if you really believe in what you say. But I would really like to know if you believe that the extremely low percent that coastin is paying is anything to rah-rah about? I'm not trying to ask this in a mean way or anything. I just sincerely want to know where you are coming from on this.

Things don't look as bleak if you're considering that Trev may do another restructuring to get the percentage back up. Is this what you're counting on?

It doesn't look promising at all, that the percent will go back up. I know that you said you weren't just sitting around waiting, you were making money elsewhere, and that's good. I wish you the best.

[Mr. Stylin2007]

Libby,
The low percentages are nothing to rah rah about, but you do have to admit that the program is still paying, regardless of how low the percentage is. I'd rather a low percentage ANY day, than nothing at all.
As for the present time, we just need to see how it all works out. Sure we toss ideas back and forth as members, but as with any business, member participation is a must.
As of lately, no member is ignorant to the fact that there are some issues that need to be resolved quick. The administrators obviously are working on getting everything fixed, but to constantly respond to every little thing we say in the forum, doesn't help the administrators focus on getting what they need done. That is why we have some moderators who work in the forums who try to get the information we need. They don't want to respond with the wrong information, so they tell us that they are working on getting the answers. Some people just don't have patience.
Once everything goes back to normal, this will just be something we can look back at as a trying time. If the percentages can go back to a decent amount where Trevor was able to restructure, then awesome! I'm not going to be a part of the program just because I'm hoping that it fails. If anything, I want the best for fellow-members, as well as myself.
Patience is something we all are exercising, but it sure would help if the business could just go back to normal.

If the CEP businesses are able to walk away from the SEC with their head held high, then the whole point of these discussions was for nothing. I guess we just have to wait and see the outcome.
As for the percentages, I think that they can go up. It's just that no one wants to put their money where there are currently issues being worked on. I don't blame them.
Yes, I am making money elsewhere......but hopefully this business can be something of high value to me in the future.
Do you have any more questions?
~Stylin

[Accountant]

If the (not C88 discussion) businesses are able to walk away from the (not C88 discussion) with their head held high, then the whole point of these discussions was for nothing. I guess we just have to wait and see the outcome.



Just wanted to let you see how silly that looks. C88 is NOT paying, that's the problem (well, today's problem, they are stacking up it seems)
From what I read getting it over to your (not C88 discussion) Trust account is a real acomplishment, and from there it takes from 3-5 business days, no wait, 5-10, well no, that's 14 business days to have it hit your bank account. I've seen that many times before just before a program does the big ***POOF*** act, funny thing, I have NEVER seen a legitimate investment do it.

[MtnGrl]

From what I read getting it over to your (not C88 discussion) Trust account is a real acomplishment, and from there it takes from 3-5 business days, no wait, 5-10, well no, that's 14 business days to have it hit your bank account. I've seen that many times before just before a program does the big ***POOF*** act, funny thing, I have NEVER seen a legitimate investment do it.


I know someone who is now on business day number 16 waiting for their ACH withdrawal. They requested it on June 17.

[concerned]

Someone remind me again why this isn't a cult?

Cause they haven't drank the Kool-Aid......yet

[HonestIncome]

Cause they haven't drank the Kool-Aid......yetOf course the majority of them already drank it.......they are twitching and writhing around but not dead .......yet

I do see a few that are making a run for the jungle............RUN, Run!!!