CEP Consumer Movement?

[mercinary]

How many CEP members would be interested in getting involved with a Matrixwatch CEP Consumer Movement? Please respond to the anonymous poll attached with your thoughts.

If you are unfamiliar with our consumer movements, click the link in my signature below.

Before one is started, I need to understand the level of interest. If only a few people would be willing to sign-up, it isn't worth the effort. If there isn't a lot of response to this thread at first, I'll try to bump it once in while, as I imagine a lot of folks are now reading about CEP on our forums...

-Merc

[Webwatch]

An interesting poll to follow as we will see a load of No selections to start with untill realisation sets in that all is not what it seems with CEP.

[077770]

how about we leave the innocent alone and start Consumer Movements against the real scammers? All of you on this witch-hunt could be helping humanity by focusing on important issues, instead you're attempting to ruin the lives of kind, honest, loving people.

How about a MatrixWatch consumer movement against the Social Security Adminsitration for running a ponzi scheme?

Or a MatrixWatch Consumer Movement against the US Government for being a a total scam?

How about movements against those that are poisoning the air...the water...the corporations that give us cancer...and the governments that rape our mother and murder our children. A MatrixWatch Movement against the most evil scammers of them all...the governement...the media...the global elite... why not bring them down?

Nah...let's wait for another 9/11. Let's wait for the collapse of the world economy. Let's wait for the global elite to release a super-flu. Let's wait till billions die. Then we can blame it on terrorists and start a consumer movement against anyone who isn't white. In the mean time, we should really keep ourselves occupied by destroying all that is good and decent in this world.

[concerned]

how about we leave the innocent alone and start Consumer Movements against the real scammers?

We are leaving the innocent alone. CEP is NOT innocent, and that's why a movement is starting.

All of you on this witch-hunt could be helping humanity by focusing on important issues, instead you're attempting to ruin the lives of kind, honest, loving people.

Scammers are the ones ruining the lives of honest loving people. Wake up and take your head out of your rear.

How about a MatrixWatch consumer movement against the Social Security Adminsitration for running a ponzi scheme?

You started that thread about SS, but never answered any questions like when I asked you to PROVE it was a ponzi. I guess you are all talk and no substance. QUIT making crap up unless you can back it.

Or a MatrixWatch Consumer Movement against the US Government for being a a total scam?

Newsflash. You only need 1 a in this sentence. Now, please PROVE that the government is a scam?

How about movements against those that are poisoning the air...the water...the corporations that give us cancer...and the governments that rape our mother and murder our children. A MatrixWatch Movement against the most evil scammers of them all...the governement...the media...the global elite... why not bring them down?

This is a spoecialized group. Please tell us which of these people are running matrix scams. Otherwise go to other Watchdog groups to have your movements.

Nah...let's wait for another 9/11.

That's right. I forgot. If Matrix Watch wasn't taking down scams, 9/11 wouldn't have ever happened. I guess I forgot that bit of history. I guess they have to rewrite the history books, huh.

077770, please go get yourself some help. Maybe Matrix Watch should have a consumer charity drive to raise money to get you the help you need.

[gerty]

I have to say I am bemused by the seemingly non stop quest you guys are on here.

The only fact that you all seem to overlook is that CEP paid on time, every time so no one was ever scammed. It is only because of the SEC intervention that this has come to a halt. There has never been a delay or a non payment complaint. No-one has ever been anything but kind and considerate. A great deal of compassion has been shown through CEP gives back. So nothing but good has come out of CEP, and yet you are all hell bent on destroying it.

So what is the real game here? It is certainly not for quote The fight of Justice since 2003 unquote. Your kind aka the ferret have just caused a whole load of pain. I hope that you are exceedingly proud of yourselves....I am so glad that I never have to meet any of you and sincerely hope that you get your just desserts, now that will happen.

I find it extraordinarily sad that humans exist for this kind of pleasure, but hey, that's life.

[077770]

You started that thread about SS (Social Security), but never answered any questions like when I asked you to PROVE it was a ponzi.


Since the beginning of this witch-hunt, we have been asking for you to PROVE that CEP is a ponzi. Yet, you've been unable to do so. Where is your PROOF?


I guess you are all talk and no substance. QUIT making crap up unless you can back it.

I guess you are all talk and no substance. QUIT making crap up unless you can back it.

[Webwatch]

I have to say I am bemused by the seemingly non stop quest you guys are on here.

The only fact that you all seem to overlook is that CEP paid on time, every time so no one was ever scammed. It is only because of the SEC intervention that this has come to a halt. There has never been a delay or a non payment complaint. No-one has ever been anything but kind and considerate. A great deal of compassion has been shown through CEP gives back. So nothing but good has come out of CEP, and yet you are all hell bent on destroying it.

So what is the real game here? It is certainly not for quote The fight of Justice since 2003 unquote. Your kind aka the ferret have just caused a whole load of pain. I hope that you are exceedingly proud of yourselves....I am so glad that I never have to meet any of you and sincerely hope that you get your just desserts, now that will happen.

I find it extraordinarily sad that humans exist for this kind of pleasure, but hey, that's life.
Hi gerty, I can understand your concerns and yes I have to agree that CEP has being paying untill the recent SEC investigation claim (Just a claim from Trevor remember). However has CEP actually paid everyone back more than they have put in-well on latest evidence the answer to that would have to be no.
Thats how Ponzi schemes work , they pay for a time and then either try and self sustain by paying less or stop altogether. The key points in a ponzi timeline are when payments either stop (for any reason whatsoever) or they diminish to such a nonsensical amount ie. a few cents.

If CEP is not a Ponzi scheme then the SEC investigation will conclude with a proportionate fine in relation to what CEP can afford and nobody has anything to worry about. I'm still dubious about an actual investigation taking place at all but I don't trust Ponzi admin so that kind of goes with the territory.

As far as just desserts goes it appears you have some hatred in your heart and maybe some religious guidance would help, but if involves sending money to anything including the church (some would argue the biggest ponzi scheme of all) ignore it.

I'm starting to hope CEP recovers as the pain its collapse will cause its victims will be quite monumental.

As far as motives go as their is no alternative program I'm peddling so I'm either doing this for a strange element of enjoyment I get from others suffering and feeding on their pain or to try and protect and help those current or potential victims who may need somewhere to turn to for information and another albeit antiscam/negative opinion.

077770:
CEP I believe is a ponzi because they have no sufficient outside investments to generate the projected returns, its just a game of money moving around, untill the music stops (which it has done for the moment).
Anther giveaway is when ponzi peddlers come along stating huge returns one week then plead poverty the next.

The true proof will come in a variety ways.
1. CEP never pays again and all associated programs stop.

2. CEP is closed in a direct consequance of the claimed SEC investigation

3. CEP trys to jiggle its business model to such a degree that only a pittance is paid out to investors.

I'm sure theres more.

[concerned]

Since the beginning of this witch-hunt, we have been asking for you to PROVE that CEP is a ponzi. Yet, you've been unable to do so. Where is your PROOF?


Hmmmmm

Do you think you can point to where you asked for proof? I looked at all your posts, and nowhere can I find a post where you ASKED us to prove it was a ponzi, but when I look through my posts, I find plenty of places where I have asked you for proof.

Well, incase you haven't seen the proof, go back and re-read all the threads in which you have posted. We have laid out all the information that leads to the conclusion that CEP is a ponzi. You just don't seem to want to believe us.

Finally, why is it that you only try to argue with us by making a statement that we aren't doing something. The only way you will win your argument, is to provide valid counterarguments. Instead, you can only come up with, well, why don't you prove it. I guess you aren't smart enough to have your own thoughts, so you are relying on the thoughts of CEP, and they aren't talking these days. I guess if you all share a brain, you should all start to use it once in a while.

[mercinary]

CEP I believe is a ponzi because they have no sufficient outside investments to generate the projected returns, its just a game of money moving around, untill the music stops (which it has done for the moment).
Anther giveaway is when ponzi peddlers come along stating huge returns one week then plead poverty the next.


The above statement is at the heart of the matter. I see no evidence that CEP is using any outside income or outside investments to fund they payouts. Once someone shows me information that directly addresses this, I have to assume the model is a Ponzi.

-Merc

[mitrod3]

Gerty:

I was one that did not get into CEP because all three of my current financial advisors bascially said "ponzi" or "modified ponzi" right off the top with a serious warning from each that at some point it would just come to a STOP. Those in early would be the ones getting the good returns and those in late would simply get munched in the end. On that advice I chose not to participate while a number of folks around me got in to one degree or another. We each simply made a decision on that and lived with that decision for good or ill, for gain or for loss. Over the weekend I sat through a meeting with one of the folks who is now really struggling because of the current situation and what it has done to their finances and their family.

I would simply ask you to help me (us) understand exactly what was going on that allowed CEP to make such a good return on investments for those in early? What was the mechanism that provided for this kind of return? Everytime I asked someone here (who was in) they could not come up with an answer other than...."it works and look at the money you can make". I would honestly like to have this clarified. Those who were involved with and understood business and investment practices actually said that what was being shared about CEP could not really work the way it was presented. They also had no way to explain the "core" of what was really going on.......other than a few who focused on divine intervention to reorder the flow of money into the hands of those who would use it "wisely".

Thank you for your time, clarification and input into this.

[gerty]

You assume too much Webwatch. Please do not assume that I have hatred in my heart, you read into just desserts what it means to you. I don't need a lesson either, and you would be the last person to obtain factual information on CEP particularly their business model. As this is a private program, how on earth is it trying to lure others to it? None of what any of you say stacks up. Are any of you looking at starting your own businesses, or do you own one already? I would be interested to know. Thank you.

[Webwatch]

Sorry gerty I took your just desserts comment as a bad thing based on an assumption that your post towards me was not all puppies and Kittens a mistake I stand corrected for.

As far as factual information regarding CEP I have the same facts as all the members do as Trev isn't talking, sorry but all the working behind the scenes stuff and Trevors attourneys say to keep quite stuff wont wash with me.

Private is a funny word, with 16000 alleged members its hardly private and it was only the periods of openness that have allowed CEP to survive for so long, in fact the restricted 'Clubby' nature and limited window of opportunity for joining just added to the hype and larger losses that members will suffer if or more likely when it all collapses.

I have no business experience at all if that helps.

[gerty]

Thankyou for your response. With the greatest respect, with no previous business experience, I have 30 years worth by the way, how can you possible know the internal workings of any LLC Company which operates both electronically and out here in the real world? Assumption? Do you have any legal experts within your forum or any person with an accountancy background? Until you can back up any of your assumptions and speculations with absolute proof it is my opinion that perhaps you should move on to true scams which must be making a killing whilst all the vitirol is being wasted here. In fact I am sure that many are laughing all the way to the bank whilst CEP stays in the fore front of your assumptions. Thank you for your time.

[mercinary]

Thankyou for your response. With the greatest respect, with no previous business experience, I have 30 years worth by the way, how can you possible know the internal workings of any LLC Company which operates both electronically and out here in the real world? Assumption? Do you have any legal experts within your forum or any person with an accountancy background? Until you can back up any of your assumptions and speculations with absolute proof it is my opinion that perhaps you should move on to true scams which must be making a killing whilst all the vitirol is being wasted here. In fact I am sure that many are laughing all the way to the bank whilst CEP stays in the fore front of your assumptions. Thank you for your time.

Gerty:

With all due respect, this conversation isn't about Webwatch's business experience. This is about proving whether or not a business model is a Ponzi. I still seek an answer to the real question:

How does CEP pay its investors? Or maybe a more appropriate question: How DID they pay their investors? How was the revenue generated?

-Merc

[077770]

CEP I believe is a ponzi because they have no sufficient outside investments to generate the projected returns

CEP I believe is not a ponzi because they have sufficient outside investments to generate the projected returns

I see no evidence that CEP is using any outside income or outside investments to fund they payouts. Once someone shows me information that directly addresses this, I have to assume the model is a Ponzi.

I see no evidence that CEP is not using outside income or outside investments to fund they payouts. Once someone shows me information that directly addresses this, I have to assume the model is not a Ponzi.

I would simply ask you to help me (us) understand exactly what was going on that allowed CEP to make such a good return on investments for those in early? What was the mechanism that provided for this kind of return?

I dont' know

In the beginning CEP diversified funds in a number of AutoSurfs and generated exceptional returns. In 2005 the AutoSurf scene was very popular, yet most people were getting scammed. CEP began by pooling up members funds and diversifying them in a variety of AutoSurf's. It was a simple concept...instead of hundreds of people playing against each other in a whole bunch of money making scams....everyone pools the money together, and then one person does the work. CEP basically was a way to invest in AutoSurfs, without having to be involved. CEP chose the sites, made accounts, did the surfing, and took the gains and losses. They then paid out profits to members from the gains from the Diversified AutoSurf Portfolio. Eventually they moved away from that..I only know what was on the home page: travel agencies, condominiums, real estate...

When CEP Holdings created "Surf" sites based on a profit-sharing model (instead of the standard AutoSurf model) CEP purchased advertising at these sites... generating exceptional returns. The returns on these purchases were most likely compounded daily, explaining the exponential returns.

I really don't know what CEP does. These are just my own assumptions.The thing is, CEP doesn't feel like it needs to explain itself to a whole bunch of non-members on a witch hunt...and they aren't going to.

In late 2005 I talked to Trevor and Clayton in an online chat room. We came from similar backgrounds; all in our early twenties...trying to make money online...and getting ripped off. We agreed that the best solution in this "moneymakergroup" world of online income, was, well...what eventually became CEP. It was the best solution to generate income in that scene - and also the best way to protect others from getting scammed.

When there is injustice, people have a responsibility to join together and fight for humanity. We're all the same, you know...you and I... I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together. Those of you persecuting CEP are just looking for truth, justice, and to protect your fellow man... CEP has the same intent.

[gerty]

Ok I have no more questions on anyone's business acumen. I have spoke to Trevor and I have had direct answers, to my questions. I have knowledge of property dealings, I own investment property. I know that when I have done deals on a much smaller scale than CEP, some I have not mentioned even to my husband. Certainly never one to my secretary. Two very close people. Hell would freeze over before I told my friends. Then it is perfectly logical to me why business of this nature is not for public consumption, sharing it with 1000's, well you would be living in la la land!

I was not trying to pry, just to find out how knowledgeable you are. You are not. And I find it very unjust making accusations against someone who, because of this enforced investigation, is not in any position to answer back. That, ladies and gentleman is grossly unfair. Thank you.

[Webwatch]

Thankyou for your response. With the greatest respect, with no previous business experience, I have 30 years worth by the way, how can you possible know the internal workings of any LLC Company which operates both electronically and out here in the real world? Assumption? Do you have any legal experts within your forum or any person with an accountancy background? Until you can back up any of your assumptions and speculations with absolute proof it is my opinion that perhaps you should move on to true scams which must be making a killing whilst all the vitirol is being wasted here. In fact I am sure that many are laughing all the way to the bank whilst CEP stays in the fore front of your assumptions. Thank you for your time.
You have a point gerty I mean how can I back up all my speculations and assumptions with nothing more to go on than what Trevor presents. The key to these scams is what they don't tell you, ie. how are members funds invested, where is the revenue generated, what are Trevors credentials, what experience does he have.
Its quite a big leap of faith that Trevor could go from reccomending programs such as 12daily pro, Alien Trust etc to suddenley become some Investment wiz and being able to sustain these returns without using the lazy route of paying people off from other peoples money.

The thing with investment programs is a key word called 'disclosure' without which potential investors can not make an informed decision. Its not up to me to prove Trevor hasn't got these outside investments its up to him to prove he has.
More speculation is that Trevor had a lot of money connected to Global Online Direct (GOD-yes I know its ironic) and with the demise of that program had the knock on effect of killing CEP.

So maybe there is a bit of Truth in what Trevor says about an SEC investigation its just that he doesn't mean CEP directly.

As far as the inner workings of LLC companies goes, I obviously have no experience but if I wanted the information I could purchase it online (Thats if LLC's are registered in the same way as UK Ltd companies). All companies work on one guiding principle 'Maximise Profits' its only the route they get there thats different, or in some cases illegal.

[Webwatch]

Ok I have no more questions on anyone's business acumen. I have spoke to Trevor and I have had direct answers, to my questions.
Would you care to share your answers that Trevor gave you as it would help members worried about the validity of outside investments also.
Not. Monavie, The Berry Tree, or any other dubious MLM venture though.

Then it is perfectly logical to me why business of this nature is not for public consumption, sharing it with 1000's, well you would be living in la la land!I'm afraid I have to disagree on this.

And I find it very unjust making accusations against someone who, because of this enforced investigation, is not in any position to answer back. That, ladies and gentleman is grossly unfair. Thank you.This is a common problem of how to differenciate fact from assumption. You have based the whole fairness argument on something you don't know for certain unless you have verified proof from the SEC that Trevor is telling the truth.
One of the first lessons in business is to realise everybody lies and not to take anything at face value. Its a cut throat world but believe me you have to bend a few rules to get to the top. So my boss says anyway.
Trevors words mean very little when he his holding onto your cash.

[mitrod3]

Gerty:

With your business background and with the answers you have had from Trevor......please explain how
C E P really works.

[littleroundman]

Of course the loyal supporters will immediately cry "but, but, but CEP isn't the standard "Autosurf" model, but, it may be advantageous for more open minded "investors" to ponder why the SEC would go to the trouble of releasing a warning on "Autosurfs":

http://www.sec.gov/investor/pubs/autosurf.htm

and why Charis Johnson, the "founding mother" of the "Autosurf" Industry is currently awaiting trial on civil charges brought by the SEC. To say nothing of the FBI and USPS criminal charges to follow.

Unfortunately, considering the number of genuine "believers" in the mysterious and so far unidentified "Trevor," for those among us who have been around for longer than just this "opportunity" it's a simple case of "deja vu all over again"

The same questions remain unanswered, the same arguments are being used and the "answers" remain the same.

The "authorities' are notoriously thorough in their investigations (for "thorough" read "slow") eg, the "Wellspring/Blake Prater case took 2 years of investigation and 3 years from charges being filed to the first court appearance. E-Gold was first raided in 2004 and charges were filed only 2 months ago, after 3 subsequent raids. 12DP itself lasted nearly a year after it was first reported and had the federal authorities "inside" its' accounts for nearly as long.

Ponzis like CEP, to most regular "playas" are games of chance. They know the "rules," accept the risks and are rarely heard from, win or lose. (other than "promoting" and "cheerleading" like crazy.

But, there is no more valuable asset to a seasoned fraudster than the "enthusiastic amateurs," especially those inspired by religious fervor, who populate forums such as this.

Alas, the horse has bolted in this case.

Hopefully there will be a flood newly educated "converts" around to help warn off potential "victims" of the "next big thing"

And, there WILL be a "next big thing"

[gerty]

Would you care to share your answers that Trevor gave you as it would help members worried about the validity of outside investments also.
Not. Monavie, The Berry Tree, or any other dubious MLM venture though.

I'm afraid I have to disagree on this.

This is a common problem of how to differenciate fact from assumption. You have based the whole fairness argument on something you don't know for certain unless you have verified proof from the SEC that Trevor is telling the truth.
One of the first lessons in business is to realise everybody lies and not to take anything at face value. Its a cut throat world but believe me you have to bend a few rules to get to the top. So my boss says anyway.
Trevors words mean very little when he his holding onto your cash.

Please, will you try not to be so condesending, I do understand business and how it works thank you. I hope your boss only bends the rules, not breaks the law! However, there are ways of being very shrewd and gaining peoples trust. Once gained and proven, repeat business can be done again again. That is smart business instead of being a one trick pony. Betray the trust and your name is mud, so game over. Yes many people lie, not all that is a bit of sweeping statement, and it far easier to lie on the internet than any other arena, and to pretend to be something you are not, however, nothing told to me up until the SEC involvement, since there has been silence, has been unfulfilled. And I also don't anyone here has had the buying power that many millions can bring. In conclusion, what you are all asking for cannot be disclosed. I sincerely hope that outcome will be a happy one, that CEP will close it's forum, and that you all move to the ongoing scamming sites out there, good evening.

[concerned]

And I find it very unjust making accusations against someone who, because of this enforced investigation, is not in any position to answer back. That, ladies and gentleman is grossly unfair. Thank you.

What you should have said was that the enforced investigation was because CEP WAS NOT EVER answering people back. You see, no matter what kind of investment business you setup, it is against the law to withold any information about the vehicles in which they are to be invested. That is what disclosure means. Read up on it. So, even during an investigation, it is STILL illegal for them not to respond. In fact, if the SEC is taking good notes, they will take that into consideration. No matter if they are being investigated, they are required by law to inform customers where their money is invested. They still haven't done that. All they say is that it is "outside investments" which isn't good enough. Maybe if they had just told everyone their big secret, the investigations wouldn't have even taken place. Why don't you start holding them responsible for their actions for once. Why can't you see that they are their own biggest enemies? Maybe when you come to the reality that their actions caused all this, maybe you will start going after the people that are REALLY trying to hurt you, the SCAMMERS!!!

[Accountant]

I have to say I am bemused by the seemingly non stop quest you guys are on here.

The only fact that you all seem to overlook is that CEP paid on time, every time so no one was ever scammed. It is only because of the SEC intervention that this has come to a halt. There has never been a delay or a non payment complaint. No-one has ever been anything but kind and considerate. A great deal of compassion has been shown through CEP gives back. So nothing but good has come out of CEP, and yet you are all hell bent on destroying it.

So what is the real game here? It is certainly not for quote The fight of Justice since 2003 unquote. Your kind aka the ferret have just caused a whole load of pain. I hope that you are exceedingly proud of yourselves....I am so glad that I never have to meet any of you and sincerely hope that you get your just desserts, now that will happen.

I find it extraordinarily sad that humans exist for this kind of pleasure, but hey, that's life.


Charles Ponzi paid on time for two years, was still paying when arrested, but his victims lost millions (back when that was a lot of money) because when he stopped TAKING IN NEW INVESTMENTS he didn't have the money to pay off the old ones. The sooner a scam is exposed and stopped, the fewer people there are that are scammed, that's a fact. So whilst I do regret the poor saps over on the CEP board crying about no income, homelessness, being low on food and medicine (and there are a few over there being this melodramatic) better there be a few dozen people lose there homes, starve etc... than a few hundred, a few thousand, whatever. Quit coming in here and trying to blame the people fighting scams because YOUR SCAM fell apart before you got your money out. Trevor took your money, he doesn't have any to pay you back, what he does have is likely being spent on lawyers to keep you from getting any of it back and him out of prison. You need to get used to those facts before you can move on, but know this, the ONLY WAY you'll get your money back is to sue Trevor, CEP and anyone of the cheerleaders who fed you into this scam before the SEC issues a C&D. If you get in before the SEC you may get in line ahead of the masses and kool aid club that doesn't to get your money back. First with a judegment, first to be paid.

[077770]

How many CEP members would be interested in getting involved with a Matrixwatch CEP Consumer Movement?

what about the terms and conditions of CEP? did members agree that returns weren't guaranteed?

[concerned]

what about the terms and conditions of CEP? did members agree that returns weren't guaranteed?

Terms don't matter if they are running an illegal shop. Once the courts rule that they were acting illegal, any terms agreed to will be null and void, because a court cannot legally allow an illegal contract to stay bound. Basically the contract between CEP and the victims means nothing cause CEP was using the contracts to conduct illegal activities.

[Webwatch]

Please, will you try not to be so condesending, I do understand business and how it works thank you. I hope your boss only bends the rules, not breaks the law! However, there are ways of being very shrewd and gaining peoples trust. Once gained and proven, repeat business can be done again again. That is smart business instead of being a one trick pony. Betray the trust and your name is mud, so game over. Yes many people lie, not all that is a bit of sweeping statement, and it far easier to lie on the internet than any other arena, and to pretend to be something you are not, however, nothing told to me up until the SEC involvement, since there has been silence, has been unfulfilled. And I also don't anyone here has had the buying power that many millions can bring. In conclusion, what you are all asking for cannot be disclosed. I sincerely hope that outcome will be a happy one, that CEP will close it's forum, and that you all move to the ongoing scamming sites out there, good evening.Sorry to come across as condescending gerty, maybe its a Brit thing, or maybe its just me.
I do think we are looking at business from different points of view, mine is from a corporate perspective dealing in a very cut throat arena and yours maybe more from a retail/end user perspective. I'll stand by my statement everybody tells lies though, and I do agree how the internet is such an easy medium for lies to be presented. This whole arena we are in is either scam or anti scam.
As Trevors company CEP would never be able to advertise its investment scheme in the usual business circles instead it relies heavily on scam forums such as MMG to procreate itself via the usual habitual peddlers and word of mouth via trusting and close social groups.

Going back to the business side of things for a moment, just because a company has a huge buying power does not mean they have to use it after all simply placing a small order with the potential for bigger ones to follow can prove very important after all even the chairman has to answer to the shareholders and my boss always works in an agressive buy back and price protection clause into any contract he deals with from a manufacturer, but I digress.

What I'm getting at is Trevor is making an obvious and fundamental flaw by not communicating with his investors which inturn will build into a serious lack of trust which even his religious connection wont rescue him from. He is either planning on waiting till they are so desperate that he thinks just a little titbit of info will do or he's long gone and the whole SEC charade is just a smokescreen.

Isn't there a wedding coming up soon, may be coloners can be invited to the reception.

[077770]

How many CEP members would be interested in getting involved with a Matrixwatch CEP Consumer Movement?

can this movement be based on the assumption that CEP is honest and legitimate?

Accusing them of fraud seems to be a bit much. The only reason we're not getting paid is because the big-time scammers are now scamming CEP. The SEC is a scam more than any other...they're here to make well over $100 million. I think you'll find more support from members interested in taking legal action against the SEC. That's our only hope.

[Webwatch]

can this movement be based on the assumption that CEP is honest and legitimate?

Accusing them of fraud seems to be a bit much. The only reason we're not getting paid is because the big-time scammers are now scamming CEP. The SEC is a scam more than any other...they're here to make well over $100 million. I think you'll find more support from members interested in taking legal action against the SEC. That's our only hope.
It could be argued that CEP put themselves in this mess buy not registering in the first palce or more likely not being able to register due to the nature of the program. i.e. Ponzi.

I know I'm being to judgemental but how else does it look.

What we have here is a couple of students out of their depth or a couple of professional scammers pretending to be students who are out of their depth.

[Accountant]

can this movement be based on the assumption that CEP is honest and legitimate?

Accusing them of fraud seems to be a bit much. The only reason we're not getting paid is because the big-time scammers are now scamming CEP. The SEC is a scam more than any other...they're here to make well over $100 million. I think you'll find more support from members interested in taking legal action against the SEC. That's our only hope.

Now that's just not right. THE SEC doesn't get to keep the money for a big year end beer party, a fine is turned over to the US Treasury and disgorgements (which are in fact paid in front of criminal fines) are paid out to the victims. Unfortunately, paying the victims does take a few dollars and the reciever (whose only job is to repay the victims) must be paid for his services. The reciever will typically get 30% of what HE RECOVERS the rest going back to the investors. The part that keeps the investors from getting anything near what they invested is the simple fact that the millions and millions of dallrs the scammer said he had and was making turns out to be non-existent.
No one at the SEC is trying to steal your money, believe it or not they are doing their best to preserve as much of it as is left.-

[eagles]

The above statement is at the heart of the matter. I see no evidence that CEP is using any outside income or outside investments to fund they payouts. Once someone shows me information that directly addresses this, I have to assume the model is a Ponzi.

-Merc

We don't know the exact CEP investment portfolio, but I would hazard a guess that one source of funds is CEPTrust, now used by many autosurfs, HYIP's etc.

[siska]

Hello Webwach
I read all your post and Yours friends.Webwach You don't care about CEP
You care about How much post You get on Matrixwatch.
For moment I believe you hate CEP but you are just business man.Nice good
for You:)
How many post You need on matrixwatch to past MMG:) On ranking for Alexa?
according your Pool you have 3 votes :Let's bury CEP
But 6 votes Get lost or something:)
I know If you create something CEP members will fight ON YOUR FORUM
and post to tell you are Wrong.(and Alexa rating GO UP)smart move:)
All this Pool have Nothing to do with Right or Wrong.
All You want is Rating Alexa and money from advertising.
Will be nice If you ask :I know But How I can get better rating on Alexa.
Well good luck with Your advertising or membership campaign
Have nice day and let's rock and roll:) .
Webwach I will highlight part of your post:)


'll stand by my statement everybody tells lies though, and I do agree how the internet is such an easy medium for lies to be presented. This whole arena we are in is either scam or anti scam.
As Trevors company CEP would never be able to advertise its investment scheme in the usual business circles instead it relies heavily on scam forums such as MMG to procreate itself via the usual habitual peddlers and word of mouth via trusting and close social groups.

[siska]

Now that's just not right. THE SEC doesn't get to keep the money for a big year end beer party, a fine is turned over to the US Treasury and disgorgements (which are in fact paid in front of criminal fines) are paid out to the victims. Unfortunately, paying the victims does take a few dollars and the reciever (whose only job is to repay the victims) must be paid for his services. The reciever will typically get 30% of what HE RECOVERS the rest going back to the investors. The part that keeps the investors from getting anything near what they invested is the simple fact that the millions and millions of dallrs the scammer said he had and was making turns out to be non-existent.
No one at the SEC is trying to steal your money, believe it or not they are doing their best to preserve as much of it as is left.-

Thank You officer Now all CEP members feel safe:)

[Ferret]

Hello Webwach
I read all your post and Yours friends.Webwach You don't care about CEP
You care about How much post You get on Matrixwatch.
For moment I believe you hate CEP but you are just business man.Nice good
for You:)
How many post You need on matrixwatch to past MMG:) On ranking for Alexa?
according your Pool you have 3 votes :Let's bury CEP
But 6 votes Get lost or something:)
I know If you create something CEP members will fight ON YOUR FORUM
and post to tell you are Wrong.(and Alexa rating GO UP)smart move:)
All this Pool have Nothing to do with Right or Wrong.
All You want is Rating Alexa and money from advertising.
Will be nice If you ask :I know But How I can get better rating on Alexa.
Well good luck with Your advertising or membership campaign
Have nice day and let's rock and roll:) .
Webwach I will highlight part of your post:)

Hey siskas, I still loves you :)

Where is the advertising on MW?
I forgot to check the Alexa rating today although I
will admit that I do aim to get my threads on Google page 1 ;)

MMG will always kick MW's *** :p as there will always be
many more scammers than scam busters

Please keep being you.......rock and roll BaBy!!!!!!!

PS: What country are you from?

[siska]

You assume too much Webwatch. Please do not assume that I have hatred in my heart, you read into just desserts what it means to you. I don't need a lesson either, and you would be the last person to obtain factual information on CEP particularly their business model. As this is a private program, how on earth is it trying to lure others to it? None of what any of you say stacks up. Are any of you looking at starting your own businesses, or do you own one already? I would be interested to know. Thank you.

gerty nice post:)
But remember Webwatch don't Care about CEP.But Alexa rating is different
story.More post better position on Alexa MORE money for advertising:)
gerty don't post that's worst thing for MW.

[siska]

Hey siskas, I still loves you :)

Where is the advertising on MW?
I forgot to check the Alexa rating today although I
will admit that I do aim to get my threads on Google page 1 ;)

MMG will always kick MW's *** :p as there will always be
many more scammers than scam busters

Please keep being you.......rock and roll BaBy!!!!!!!

PS: What country are you from?

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ferret I know you will show.Did you post your vote:) Just check it.
Country fountry who cares.But somebody watching You.
Do you Feel safe in bed.Tonight or Sunday or any day.
Just check everything.Things happened.:)

[siska]

70% NO
I thing there is some problem with Pool or it IS.Just kidding

[roberbs]

I wish that I could agree with you, but CEP has been nothing but hell on earth for me over the last few weeks. I mom invested in 3 CEP companies in early April and died the end of April. I have had the hardest time catching up with Trevor. It was not until I threatened to go to the SEC that he responded. He must think that I'm one of his naive followers based on his communications with me which has been illusive to say the least. Trevor is not direct and he is a big big liar, he speaks with a forked tongue. I have gone back and forth with Trevor because he's just wasting my time. See our correspondence in the "CEP is not a scam forum". A representative from CEP called me and told me what I needed to send to get the funds in my mom's accounts, so I fedexed the documentation to the address that I was told to use. Trevor claims that he did not receive it and that is not their address. Trevor is a sociopath who is taking advantage of naive Christians. I have been receiving emails from a Kyle at admin@coastin88.com however Trevor states that he doesn't know a Kyle S. I have not had so much trouble dealing with any of my mom's banks or her legitimate investment companies, only CEP not to be TRUSTED. Wake up and smell the coffee, CEP is a scam.

[Jasper]

I would like to know what the track record of matrix watch is on recovering money in scams before I vote. Is this just another bs poll to sway people or is this the real thing? Will any money be recovered? How much has been recovered in the past and how was it done? Is matrix watch the real deal or just another forum that loves to talk big??

I appreciate honest answers because this crap needs to end. Look at Bob Krimm. He stole millions and is still on the streets living a good life. So is this the real deal to help members or is this just another idle threat. thank you.

[Accountant]

With 16,000 members, your best shot is getting suit filed ASAP, honestly, you want very much to get in ahead of the SEC, if you can get a judgement before a Cease and Desist is issued, you are in front of EVERYONE who didn't. Also, if you file a lawsuit, you get to have discovery, a wonderful process where you ask all the questions you want and they have to answer UNDER OATH, which means if they lie to you like they do in there forums, they get to go to jail for perjury. (they are going to jail for a lot of other things already, but they'll want to avoid the perjury charges if they can)
At the very least, just filing the suit will get their attention and will likely get them to just send you a check and hope you go away. Of course, that only works out for the first few people who do it, until the money gets a little tight....

[mercinary]

I would like to know what the track record of matrix watch is on recovering money in scams before I vote. Is this just another bs poll to sway people or is this the real thing? Will any money be recovered? How much has been recovered in the past and how was it done? Is matrix watch the real deal or just another forum that loves to talk big??

I appreciate honest answers because this crap needs to end. Look at Bob Krimm. He stole millions and is still on the streets living a good life. So is this the real deal to help members or is this just another idle threat. thank you.

Our most successful stories have been the lawsuit that was won against the payment processors that Matrix sites were using. As a result of the suit, many victims of matrix scams were returned their money. You can read the ruling here:

http://www.matrixwatch.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&file=viewarticle&id=22

And also the MYDV saga, in which over 1000 people received their money back. You can read about MYDV here:

http://www.matrixwatch.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=92



In the end, a Matrixwatch Consumer movement doesn't ever guarantee that anyone will get any money back. The point is to empower the common consumer, giving him a place to congregate with other victims of fraud. Ultimately, the victims cries for help will become louder and louder. As a group, they cannot be ignored by government officials.

-Merc

[MtnGrl]

Sounds like it's kind of like a class. (?)

[concerned]

can this movement be based on the assumption that CEP is honest and legitimate?

No!!!! It can't be based on the assumption that they are honest because they ARE NOT honest.

Accusing them of fraud seems to be a bit much.

Really? Have they disclosed all the information on every investment to the investors? OOPS, I'm sorry. I hope I didn't offend you by using the word invest. Let me rephrase that. Have they disclosed all the information on every upgrade to the upgraders?

The only reason we're not getting paid is because the big-time scammers are now scamming CEP. The SEC is a scam more than any other...they're here to make well over $100 million.

Since when does a governmental law enforcement agency a for profit company? Do you even know what you are talking about? Wow, maybe you should go back to 6th grade history and learn what the government does.

I think you'll find more support from members interested in taking legal action against the SEC. That's our only hope.

Really??? And what lawyer is going to take your case against the SEC? What lawyer is going to commit career suicide to defend a scam against the SEC? What lawyer is going to chance losing their Bar license to help you out?

[concerned]

We don't know the exact CEP investment portfolio, but I would hazard a guess that one source of funds is CEPTrust, now used by many autosurfs, HYIP's etc.

Not knowing the EXACT investment portfolio is illegal on CEP's side. They are REQUIRED by law to disclose everything. All my investments and retirement accounts have pages of information on each investment I am in. They give me the opportunity to CHOOSE how I want it invested, and they can't make any changes without my approval. Then, the second I ask for information on how my investments are doing, they are REQUIRED to give me the information. You see, that's the difference between a legit investment and a scam. Now, why don't you ask yourself this.

Is it acceptable to you to NOT know the exact investment portfolio?

[concerned]

70% NO
I thing there is some problem with Pool or it IS.Just kidding

Can someone translate this into english for me?

[MtnGrl]

Now, why don't you ask yourself this.

Is it acceptable to you to NOT know the exact investment portfolio?


My answer is NO! That is why I do not have any money in CEP :) If they wanted to call it an investment they needed to play by the rules.

[concerned]

I would like to know what the track record of matrix watch is on recovering money in scams before I vote.

In the beginning the founder of this site, Watchdog was scammed by a matrix site. He successfully won a class action lawsuit against many payment processors. I don't know the exact money recovered, but it was significant. Since then, no members of the administration has been involved in any more of these scams. Matrixwatch is not in the poisition to file lawsuits against scams, cause the administration is not a direct victim. That is why we encourage people to take action. Unfortunately, they don't. Now, is is MW's fault? No. If people can't take action for themselves, then that's their problems. I didn't lose the money, so why should I file a lawsuit for someone else, and waste my time. Now, if Matrix Watch was a government agency, that would be a different story, and the numbers would go thru the roof.

Is this just another bs poll to sway people or is this the real thing?

This is a poll to see if there is enough support to justify having Matrix Watch VOLUNTEERS spend time persuing this case. Nobody here is paid, so time is an issue. If there aren't enough people willing to fight, then Matrix Watch doesn't need to spend any more time on this subject.

Will any money be recovered? How much has been recovered in the past and how was it done? Is matrix watch the real deal or just another forum that loves to talk big??

Money will be recovered IF people take action. Watchdog might have numbers on what has been recovered in the past, but I repeat, we don't take action on behalf of lazy people that won't take action for themselves.

[MtnGrl]

I think there are more people who want this than you will ever see responding to this poll. For one, I don't think a lot of the CEP membership reads the CEP forum, so they would not know about this poll from the post 077770 made over there. Two, they might not know about MatrixWatch and therefore do not come here to see this poll. I feel there has to be another way to go about this - there has to be another way to get the word out that people can and are willing to help.

[Webwatch]

Hi siska i'll answer the points you raised as best as I can.
Hello Webwach
I read all your post and Yours friends.Webwach You don't care about CEP
You care about How much post You get on Matrixwatch.You are quite right I don't care about CEP, I care about the members who will lose their money unless they take a grip on whats happening and take ownership for their current predicament and take some action. (Its all Take, Take, Take with me).
For moment I believe you hate CEP but you are just business man.Nice good
for You I've already admitted I'n no Business man.
How many post You need on matrixwatch to past MMG On ranking for Alexa?
according your Pool you have 3 votes :Let's bury CEP
But 6 votes Get lost or something I wont vote on the poll because I am not a member of CEP.
I know If you create something CEP members will fight ON YOUR FORUM
and post to tell you are Wrong.(and Alexa rating GO UP)smart move
All this Pool have Nothing to do with Right or Wrong.I didn't create the poll even though I support it and Alexa rankings mean nothing to me, its all about raising awareness which is a positive by product of any online topic.
All You want is Rating Alexa and money from advertising.I wouldn't accept any money even if it was offered as it defeats the objective.
Will be nice If you ask :I know But How I can get better rating on Alexa.
Well good luck with Your advertising or membership campaign
Have nice day and let's rock and roll .
Webwach I will highlight part of your post Have a nice day, to and I think Ferret has fallen in love with you, I hope I get an invite to the wedding.


I know its difficult for some CEP members to join us in this discussion and yes we can sometimes be an argumentative bunch (but in a nice way) and its hard to awaken from the ponzi coccoon that CEP has you in but whether you agree with us or not please seek some independant legal advice because if CEP is in as much trouble with the SEC as is rumoured there are a lot of peoples lives which could be ruined. Please try every free avenue of independant advice you can first though because this is a key time for victims.

Anyone else find it a coincidence that Trevor issued an update soon after this poll started.

[MatrixWatch]

Money will be recovered IF people take action. Watchdog might have numbers on what has been recovered in the past....

Class actions have positives and negatives... I'm not a lawyer so I can't really comment on all the finer details, but I can tell you three things:

1. The class will do pretty well, and in some cases they might get a little more than they lost (I heard this from some of the class members of one of the matrix lawsuits).

2. The first person to file the class action is sometimes entitled to a "class representative incentive" that is awarded by the judge. This is in addition to what you'd get out of the lawsuit or settlement. It is basically a reward for being a good citizen and taking action when others weren't.

3. It is easier to find a good attorney if the scam involves more money, and it is especially easy to find one if all the money is frozen on account of a government investigation. The chance of recovery is higher.

So, like I said, I'm not an attorney, but if I was a victim of a large scam, and was looking for resolution (and perhaps even a little extra), I'd at least be speaking with an attorney now to try and become the first to file.

[Webwatch]

I think class action lawyers try and find 'lead plaintiffs' who have either lost a substancial amount or act as a communication point for the rest in the class.

If the case is won lead plaintiffs are rewarded for the extra effort.

I'm no expert though.

[libby]

I'm a newer member of CEP. It has made me physically ill to realize that CEP has scammed me. I really believed in CEP.

[mercinary]

Welcome to Matrixwatch Libby. Feel free to start a new thread (http://www.matrixwatch.com/forums/newthread.php?do=newthread&f=99) and tell us your story. How did you get involved with CEP? What were your expectations? Why do you now feel scammed?

-Merc

[libby]

Welcome to Matrixwatch Libby. Feel free to start a new thread (http://www.matrixwatch.com/forums/newthread.php?do=newthread&f=99) and tell us your story. How did you get involved with CEP? What were your expectations? Why do you now feel scammed?

-Merc

I found out about CEP through another forum that helps people get connected with companies offering real investments (SYF).

I planned to get out of debt, help friends and family, and help to feed people in need.

I feel scammed because we were told everything was taken care of legally with CEP, and it was not. We were left vunerable, and now our money is in jeopardy. And at the time Trevor should be there reassuring everyone, he has all but disappeared. I think the guy threatening to file with the SEC about his mom's money prompted the latest update.

[MatrixWatch]

:) Libby, you didn't follow Merc's link. :)

We have a little rule here against what we call "thread hijacking".

If you could post your new subject in a new thread it would be very helpful in getting responses & insights for your situation.

[roberbs]

I'm a girl, but you're right. He sent the email right after he responded to me. See his emails to me under the thread CEP is not a scam. Tell me if it looks like he doesn't want to give me the address. I am a business woman and have been an entrepreneur for many years. I handle business professionally. I wouldn't deal with a business that doesn't have a corporate headquarters and corporate phone numbers. I hate conducting important business by email.

[libby]

:) Libby, you didn't follow Merc's link. :)

We have a little rule here against what we call "thread hijacking".

If you could post your new subject in a new thread it would be very helpful in getting responses & insights for your situation.

Sorry, please forgive me. Not at my best right now. My mistake.

[libby]

I'm a girl, but you're right. He sent the email right after he responded to me. See his emails to me under the thread CEP is not a scam. Tell me if it looks like he doesn't want to give me the address. I am a business woman and have been an entrepreneur for many years. I handle business professionally. I wouldn't deal with a business that doesn't have a corporate headquarters and corporate phone numbers. I hate conducting important business by email.


Sorry for calling you a guy. I hope you get your money back.

[siska]

I wish that I could agree with you, but CEP has been nothing but hell on earth for me over the last few weeks. I mom invested in 3 CEP companies in early April and died the end of April. I have had the hardest time catching up with Trevor. It was not until I threatened to go to the SEC that he responded. He must think that I'm one of his naive followers based on his communications with me which has been illusive to say the least. Trevor is not direct and he is a big big liar, he speaks with a forked tongue. I have gone back and forth with Trevor because he's just wasting my time. See our correspondence in the "CEP is not a scam forum". A representative from CEP called me and told me what I needed to send to get the funds in my mom's accounts, so I fedexed the documentation to the address that I was told to use. Trevor claims that he did not receive it and that is not their address. Trevor is a sociopath who is taking advantage of naive Christians. I have been receiving emails from a Kyle at admin@coastin88.com however Trevor states that he doesn't know a Kyle S. I have not had so much trouble dealing with any of my mom's banks or her legitimate investment companies, only CEP not to be TRUSTED. Wake up and smell the coffee, CEP is a scam.

Just check where you send e mail:coastin88.com
This has nothing to do with Cep????

[kingdiamond]

With 16,000 members, your best shot is getting suit filed ASAP, honestly, you want very much to get in ahead of the SEC, if you can get a judgement before a Cease and Desist is issued, you are in front of EVERYONE who didn't. Also, if you file a lawsuit, you get to have discovery, a wonderful process where you ask all the questions you want and they have to answer UNDER OATH, which means if they lie to you like they do in there forums, they get to go to jail for perjury. (they are going to jail for a lot of other things already, but they'll want to avoid the perjury charges if they can)
At the very least, just filing the suit will get their attention and will likely get them to just send you a check and hope you go away. Of course, that only works out for the first few people who do it, until the money gets a little tight....

Your just a trouble maker what u are saying is so full of it, u trying to pry on the naive

Moderator Note: 1 infraction point given for thread thread hijacking & general disrespect toward a member. Please read the forum rules (http://matrixwatch.com/forums/announcement.php?f=111)

[kingdiamond]

Not knowing the EXACT investment portfolio is illegal on CEP's side. They are REQUIRED by law to disclose everything. All my investments and retirement accounts have pages of information on each investment I am in. They give me the opportunity to CHOOSE how I want it invested, and they can't make any changes without my approval. Then, the second I ask for information on how my investments are doing, they are REQUIRED to give me the information. You see, that's the difference between a legit investment and a scam. Now, why don't you ask yourself this.

Is it acceptable to you to NOT know the exact investment portfolio?

your just a trouble maker as well. u hunting out the naive in hopes to fill your lost life. u seem to thrive on negitiveity. if u not even a member why u care at all about CEP ??? i know why becuese i allready stated it. it is a private program so why dont u leave it that way, and leave it members to decide. u have no reason but to drive neg. to yourself and others. :applause: bravo

[Accountant]

your just a trouble maker as well. u hunting out the naive in hopes to fill your lost life. u seem to thrive on negitiveity. if u not even a member why u care at all about CEP ??? i know why becuese i allready stated it. it is a private program so why dont u leave it that way, and leave it members to decide. u have no reason but to drive neg. to yourself and others. :applause: bravo

I care because a society that tolerates the kind of behavior this is cannot last, and stealing is just wrong. For instance, are you aware that there is, aside from oil companies, hardly any foreign investment in Nigeria? Ever wonder why? Because Nigeria is almost a synonym for "SCAM". No company will put any money there because the place has such a reputation that they doubt it won't get stolen as soon as the lights go out. Malaysia is getting a rep like that too, although not nearly as bad.
If I see someone rob a bank, I'm going to call the police, same if I see someone mug a little old lady. I don't see the difference here, someone is stealing a boatlaod of money from a lot of people, many of whom don't know any better, albeit quite a few who do, they just want to get in and out in time to not get picked off themselves. That affronts my sense of how the world ought to be. If being called a thief offends you, quit playing these cheap scams where in my eyes you are just as big a thief as the scammer himself, you just take your cut from what he actually stole.
I don't really care if I hurt someone's feelings, there are only two things that can happen, either I'm telling someone something they need to hear and helping them deal with reality, or I'm pissing off a thief by preventing him from stealing a little more, which is at the end of the day not a bad thing.

[kingdiamond]

I care because a society that tolerates the kind of behavior this is cannot last, and stealing is just wrong. For instance, are you aware that there is, aside from oil companies, hardly any foreign investment in Nigeria? Ever wonder why? Because Nigeria is almost a synonym for "SCAM". No company will put any money there because the place has such a reputation that they doubt it won't get stolen as soon as the lights go out. Malaysia is getting a rep like that too, although not nearly as bad.
If I see someone rob a bank, I'm going to call the police, same if I see someone mug a little old lady. I don't see the difference here, someone is stealing a boatlaod of money from a lot of people, many of whom don't know any better, albeit quite a few who do, they just want to get in and out in time to not get picked off themselves. That affronts my sense of how the world ought to be. If being called a thief offends you, quit playing these cheap scams where in my eyes you are just as big a thief as the scammer himself, you just take your cut from what he actually stole.
I don't really care if I hurt someone's feelings, there are only two things that can happen, either I'm telling someone something they need to hear and helping them deal with reality, or I'm pissing off a thief by preventing him from stealing a little more, which is at the end of the day not a bad thing.

what are u talking about ?? u talking about oil companys , Nigeria , Malaysia , then i quote u here --- ( I don't really care if I hurt someone's feelings ) your not hurting anyone feelings , but what u are doing is PUTTING MY MONEY AT RISK !!!! :flame: CEP allways paid ever single time for going on close to 2 years, that risk is that if even one member or in your case NONE member file suits and calls the sec IT'S MY MONEY AT RISK !!:flame: Just when or were have u come up with your claims agienst CEP anyway ??u have nothing but neg words that have nothing to do with CEP. am :mad: anger at people like u i say it last time YOU PUTTING MY MONEY AT RISK :flame: :swear: :head: :mad: your the only one here that is a **Insults Removed**, and one to be shut down. now stop putting my money at risk for your depressed life. :nono:
**Kingdiamond: I appreciate your strong feelings on this issue please keep with in forum rules regarding insulting other members**.

[MatrixWatch]

Hasn't the SEC already gotten involved? If the SEC took a look at CEP, and determined that an investigation was in order, then I'd say your money was at risk before 'Accountant' said anything. :)

Kingdiamond, how much money do you have invested in CEP right now? What's the status on those funds? Are they frozen on account of the investigation?

[Ferret]

Just check where you send e mail:coastin88.com
This has nothing to do with Cep????
siska
roberbs mom "invested" a lot of money in ALL 3 CEP websites
In CEP and the 2 autosurf sites as well

roberb, once again get your money out of the 2 surf sites ASAP
before they all get frozen

[Accountant]

what are u talking about ?? u talking about oil companys , Nigeria , Malaysia , then i quote u here --- ( I don't really care if I hurt someone's feelings ) your not hurting anyone feelings , but what u are doing is PUTTING MY MONEY AT RISK !!!! :flame: CEP allways paid ever single time for going on close to 2 years, that risk is that if even one member or in your case NONE member file suits and calls the sec IT'S MY MONEY AT RISK !!:flame: Just when or were have u come up with your claims agienst CEP anyway ??u have nothing but neg words that have nothing to do with CEP. am :mad: anger at people like u i say it last time YOU PUTTING MY MONEY AT RISK :flame: :swear: :head: :mad: your the only one here that is a **Insults Removed**, and one to be shut down. now stop putting my money at risk for your depressed life. :nono:
**Kingdiamond: I appreciate your strong feelings on this issue please keep with in forum rules regarding insulting other members**.

If it's a legitimate business, nothing I can do will shut it down. If it's a scam, nothing I can do will keep it going, although it may go longer and cause more damage than if left alone, it would fail eventually anyhow. If I have to make a few pimps like you homeless in order to save a few thousand more, I'm terrribly sorry but you're going to go over the side. Okay?

[MtnGrl]

If it's a legitimate business, nothing I can do will shut it down.

Very good point. If CEP is legitimate there is nothing that Accountant can say (or do) that will shut it down. So CEP members who get aggravated at people who speak out about the program are just giving themselves ulcers :rolleyes:

Chill :cool:

[Webwatch]

Its a strange thing the blame game, first those who reported CEP to the SEC get the blame, then the SEC get the blame, then members who contact the SEC for an update get some of the blame, then those who want their money back get the blame.

As with most scams the intent is to distract the members from the true source of the blame which just might be Trevor (surely not :eek: ).

For those innocent investors who really are genuinly in trouble, try and spot the CEP forum posters who are nothing more than paid shills to keep the membership restrained and distracted from the real issue of CEP being a Ponzi scheme all along.

Not to spread to much doom and gloom but I believe theres more chance of getting your money back than Trevor actually getting married. Its all about building confidence, empathy and a sense of loyalty that keeps the membership in the dark. I mean what legit company could get away with holding onto every ones money for over a month.

Of course this is a mute point if CEP is a genuine Investment program and the SEC give Trevor the all clear. Unfortunately if this where possible we would not be talking about it now.

Fast forward 12 months from now and you will either be getting a paid a few cents on the dollar from CEP using the classic Ponzi restructure shuffle (see YMMSS) or getting cents on the dollar back from the receiver unless of course you act early enough to get in first with the legal battle.

Ironic really how whether its a Ponzi Scheme or a legal battle those in first get the best returns.

Don't take my word for it though seek independant advice.

[roberbs]

Can you believe these people. First of all they need to get help with grammar and spelling, which means they probably didn't ask for a prospectus. I think a building has to fall on their heads before they realize that they are being SCAMMED. They will blame anybody and everybody but they won't blame themselves or their scam leaders. It's not the SEC's fault, it's not Matrixwatch's fault, it's Trevor's fault. I have been dealing with him for the last month and I say he is definitely a sociopath, a pychopathic liar and a scammer. He preys on peoples Christian hearts, ignorance, laziness and impatience. You will not get rich quick with these schemes. People get so greedy with these programs that they keep investing the money back in and end up losing everything. I should know my mom has put $1,000's in CEP companies and they are giving me the run around. Her legitimate investments who are registered with the SEC didn't give me the run around. The SEC was formed to protect consumers. These so called Christians are going to lose everything because they are motivated by greed and when people try to help them they are insulted. These people have nothing to lose they didn't invest in CEP you did. If you think you are doing the right thing kingdiamond why are you getting so mad and swearing at people. You can call a snake a puppy all day long, but at the end of the day it will still be a snake. Show some respect even if you disagree.

[Accountant]

Reality are those things that remain true even though you do not believe them.

I think that was Eistein, but I may be wrong....

[kingdiamond]

Reality are those things that remain true even though you do not believe them.

I think that was Eistein, but I may be wrong....

Your wrong ,but thats nothing new, ooh and by the way i like the way u edited out my post so it now looks as if all i am saying is that my moneys at risk. :nono: am not worried i know trevor and company at CEP will take care of me with or without the SEC,S approval.

[littleroundman]

your just a trouble maker as well. u hunting out the naive in hopes to fill your lost life. u seem to thrive on negitiveity. if u not even a member why u care at all about CEP ??? i know why becuese i allready stated it. it is a private program so why dont u leave it that way, and leave it members to decide. u have no reason but to drive neg. to yourself and others. :applause: bravo

Umm, not good enough, King.

Private Placement Lies: Many scam artists will pitch that their schemes are somehow exempt from regulation because they are a "private placement". The truth is that many states require private placements to be registered, and at any rate if the scheme raises over $2 million aggregate amongst the states (i.e., $2 million anywhere) it MUST registered with the Securities & Exchange Commission!!!!! So, if someone says that they have raised $20 million dollars but they are not registered, it ain't a legitimate deal.

Oh, and by the way, the SEC has definite guidelines as to what constitutes a "private investment" as well:

When does an investment club have to register with the SEC as an investment company under the Investment Company Act of 1940?

An investment club must register with the SEC as an investment company under the Investment Company Act of 1940 if all of the following three conditions apply:

1. the club invests in securities,

2. The club issues membership interests that are securities (see above), and

3. The club is not able to rely on an exclusion from the definition of investment company.

For example, a "private investment company" may not need to register with the SEC. To qualify, an investment club

* must not make, nor propose to make, a public offering of its securities, and

* must not have more than 100 members.

http://www.sec.gov/investor/pubs/invclub.htm

Too late to claim it's "private" now, I'm afraid, ON BOTH COUNTS.

[concerned]

your just a trouble maker as well. u hunting out the naive in hopes to fill your lost life.

Actually, the naive find me at this place cause all the naive are the ones falling for these OBVIOUS scams, then come here looking for us to get their money back.

u seem to thrive on negitiveity.

Really? Please tell me all the positives that scam victims can talk about. I am here to help people NOT get scammed. Of course it's all negative. Why would someone be happy that they got scammed?

if u not even a member why u care at all about CEP ???

I don't care about CEP. They are scum. I care about the victims that are getting scammed.

i know why becuese i allready stated it. it is a private program so why dont u leave it that way,

Sorry. It isn't a private program. It never was. They (the scammers) said it was to try to avoid prosecution for breaking the laws.

and leave it members to decide. u have no reason but to drive neg. to yourself and others. :applause: bravo

Let me tell you something right now. Go back to elementry school and learn how to spell, and use grammer. I will not respond to you again, until you know basic english.

[roberbs]

So sad. Here's the latest correspondence with Trevor.

I am confused as to what are you talking about, Tiffany. Neither CEP Coast nor Coastin88 are investment companies. They are advertising companies. Your mother purchased advertising through those businesses to advertise a business she was working with. You have continually been asking me about claiming money as inheritance, which is why we have been talking about your mother's CEP account, as that is an investment.

If you want access to the Coastin88 and CEP Coast accounts, please send me the e-mail address you believe was used so I can look those accounts up for you, and you are more than welcome to access them, but the advertising that was purchased was received, and no refunds are available through CEP Coast and Coastin88. Let me know about that e-mail address as soon as you can, and we will assist you. Hope that helps! Thanks.
Trevor
PS I am trying to take care of this as quickly as possible for you, as I will be on vacation beginning Friday and until early August as I am getting married. Let's try to have all this taken care of by then for you, ok? Our other employees may have more difficulty working through all of this, as it is a very new thing for our business to go through, and I want to make sure you are assisted fully. Thanks!

Now Trevor is claiming that Coastin88 and CEPCoast are not investments, they are for advertising. I doubt it if my mom would pay over $20,000 for advertising, for what business. Skye is not responding to my emails. She told me that CEP wasn't a scam. I am asking her if she still agree that CEP is not a scam, because I feel scammed.

[mitrod3]

As I just posted on one of the other threads.....not a single person here involved in Coast or Coast88 went into it to "advertise" anything. They went in to make money and they have all been very up front about it. They knew that the "advertising" aspect was simply the cover or front for a solid (to them) money making scheme/program.

Even when I was approached it was with the......Hey, here's a good way to make some good moeny, BUT, you have to come up with something to advertise to do so.......approach.

Good luck to you.

[kingdiamond]

lol u guys are a sorry bunch !! lol lol

[Webwatch]

lol u guys are a sorry bunch !! lol lol

Understandable how you say that now, but when you realise CEP is a scam you may think differently.