TalkGold puts the CEP Thread in the "Closed Programs and Scam Warnings"

[Ferret]

http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1972768#post1972768

Lita
"Talkgold's Best" Club Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 4,287
Re: ColonEndParenthesis (CEP) - colonendparenthesis.com

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Off to the ponzi graveyard. Getting a little crowded in here.
How long before the other CEP projects join this folder? Or have they already?
You don't get to run an legal investment without a license, then after it has already been running go get a license. The SEC don't look to kindly on that.
Like driving a car without a license...but, but officer, I was planning on getting a license.
Are there really people that believe this? That would be the type that give their money away to strangers on the internet.

THEFT PURE AND SIMPLE!!!!!

Don't get scammed, CattyShaq (http://cattyshaq.com/)
In order to get out of the darkness, you have to turn on the lights.

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[Webwatch]

Like driving a car without a license...but, but officer, I was planning on getting a license.
Or as Trevor would say:
We've got everything covered. I can assure you. We know the laws and regulations of what we do. No worries. We would not ever use the word Driving if we could not do so safely.

Trevor

PS I did not say we had a driving licence. Please do not misunderstand that. We follow all of their guidelines, as if we had a driving licence. And it is not in all cases required as you are saying here. Again, we have done our Drivers ed and have everything taken care of. Hope that answers the last bit of questions there. Take care until next time!
Ginger quick swap seats theres a blue light flashing behind us.

Closed/Scam Folder for CEP, who'd have thought it so soon. Do the Guys/Gals at TG know something we dont.
Will MMG follow suit, they normally do.

[Ferret]

Closed/Scam Folder for CEP, who'd have thought it so soon. Do the Guys/Gals at TG know something we dont.
Will MMG follow suit, they normally do.
They don't know anything more than us and isn't that enough?

MMG is totally different from TalkGold and do all they can
to protect scamming programs including CEP.

MMG is very fast to ban anyone knocking a program where as
TalkGold allows members to discuss programs very honestly.

I think TalkGold has a more open policy than MatrixWatch.

[Webwatch]

They don't know anything more than us and isn't that enough?

MMG is totally different from TalkGold and do all they can
to protect scamming programs including CEP.

MMG is very fast to ban anyone knocking a program where as
TalkGold allows members to discuss programs very honestly.

I think TalkGold has a more open policy than MatrixWatch.
I probably missed some emoticons in my earlier post but yes TG is totally different from MMG which has probably ruined more lives than any other forum.

Its certainley a fact that you couldn't get away with half the arguments presented on TG if they took place on MMG.

Following the CEP thread and a few others its nice to see that at least the opposing point of view can be put forward by Accontant, PN, Lita, Shipdit, Awtry (sorry if Ive missed anyone).
Even if their voices are less in number than the blatant ponzi peddlers at least they are allowed to put forward an opposing argument and in most cases a better more informed argument than any shill or ponzi admin wannabe can express.

I haven't the experience to comment on their posting policy, so I will take your word for it.

[Ferret]

TalkGold is an interesting forum that seems to be just
about 100% scams.
is there anything of value there?
I admit really haven't looked that hard at TG because I have
access to the best elsewhere

TalkGold are making a lot of money from advertising scams
yet they allow members to attack most of them.

Accountant, as a long time member could you give me
your views on this?
How did you get involved?

Did you lose/ gain from any scams?

I can't see myself ever keeping an ID there and being
involved in TalkGold but it is way above MMG

Even the Warriors Forum is too much crap for me lol

[Accountant]

No, I've never b een suckered into a fraud, an employee where I work was and she came to me for help. She had almost 40 years in (I work at Ford Motor) and not in some cushy office, she was one of the very early women who were ever hired to do factory work, started out at Sheffield Forging plant in Alabama, when it closed she went to Atlanta Asembly beofre making it to Sharonville Transmission Plant. Of the three, STP is the one best to work in, yesterday it was 125 degrees on the floor, so she did a lot of time in some pretty harsh conditions. Anyhow, she came across Trade Profit Gold a few years ago, and put in a few dollars, something in the range of a grand. She doubled it in a few months and got thinking big. Originally she was trying to m ake enough to suplement her retirement, she thought she could go 6 months early if she made X amount. After she made her goal pretty quick, she got to thinking she could make a really big contribution to her church for their new building if she put X more into here TPG account, and well, she withdrew almost $100,000 from her TESPHE (fordspeak for 401(k) account) and even paid the taxes on it. then dropped the remaining $60,000 plus into the wonderful new investment she had discovered. A week later they did the big ***POOF*** and she lost everything. Someone told her I used to be an accountant (I no longer practice and quite a few people I work with don't even know I'm a CPA) and might be able to help. I couldn't and that really bothers me. She died less than a year later, by the way, after another 12 hour day in a hot transmission plant, she went home and had a heart attack.
I couldn't help Nancy, but I do what I can, it's just a hobby, but a good one.

TG is pretty much a fair place, it's big enough that a lot of stupididty goes un noticed, and personally, freedom of speechg does cut both ways. I hardly ever get anything said to me about my posts, but a large cast of idiots enjoy the same treatment. If it were me, and it's not, I wouldn't let cheerleaders post anything without some backup better than "Bryan said" or 'Trevor assured me". Of course, a forum moderated that way wouldn't get much traffic and the benefit of my big mouth crying in the wilderness wouldn't happen either. It's a tradeoff, I'll tolerate the idiots if they get my message heard a few more times.

[mercinary]

No, I've never b een suckered into a fraud, an employee where I work was and she came to me for help. She had almost 40 years in (I work at Ford Motor) and not in some cushy office, she was one of the very early women who were ever hired to do factory work, started out at Sheffield Forging plant in Alabama, when it closed she went to Atlanta Asembly beofre making it to Sharonville Transmission Plant. Of the three, STP is the one best to work in, yesterday it was 125 degrees on the floor, so she did a lot of time in some pretty harsh conditions. Anyhow, she came across Trade Profit Gold a few years ago, and put in a few dollars, something in the range of a grand. She doubled it in a few months and got thinking big. Originally she was trying to m ake enough to suplement her retirement, she thought she could go 6 months early if she made X amount. After she made her goal pretty quick, she got to thinking she could make a really big contribution to her church for their new building if she put X more into here TPG account, and well, she withdrew almost $100,000 from her TESPHE (fordspeak for 401(k) account) and even paid the taxes on it. then dropped the remaining $60,000 plus into the wonderful new investment she had discovered. A week later they did the big ***POOF*** and she lost everything. Someone told her I used to be an accountant (I no longer practice and quite a few people I work with don't even know I'm a CPA) and might be able to help. I couldn't and that really bothers me. She died less than a year later, by the way, after another 12 hour day in a hot transmission plant, she went home and had a heart attack.
I couldn't help Nancy, but I do what I can, it's just a hobby, but a good one.


Wow...thanks for sharing your story Accountant! That was rather moving. :)

-Merc

[sisco50]

I always considered TG as a battleground. Not much of a forum. But I have seen some good come of it in the past. Many people that were scammed got enough info from both sides to see the investment that they were in was really not an investment but a ponzi. This is always good. :)

[Andrew.P]

If its not paying, it goes to that folder, no matter what's happened. It hasn't been classified as a scam, just that it's not paying because money is frozen.

[MatrixWatch]

Odd that they wouldn't then ask the question of why it stopped paying, and whether that rubric should be applied to these other "investment programs" out there.

There's a very strange process I've seen over the past 4-6 years... Different investment scams rise up, eventually crash, and a bunch of discussion forums descend at different parts of that cycle:
- Early Enthusiasm
- Mid-stage Skepticism
- Post-Crash Outrage

And at the end of the day, these scams will crash no matter what.

I will say that at least MatrixWatch steps in at the very outset and warns people against getting involved, and then continues that mantra until the very end.

But I'm still racking my brain to figure out whether this is the best way to fight these scams.

[Andrew.P]

Why would they need to ask that? There not there to tell everyone about scams, their there to make money from advertising...You really think they care about you? I mean look at the folder its in closed programs and scams. 2 totally different things. A program can close without being a scam last time I checked...So why not have two folders? Because they don't care...If it's not paying or not paying in a certain timeframe, they have no choice but to move it there, those are the rules. Once its back up, it will be moved from there once again.

It's clear to me most of you have only ever tried to make money online and been burnt. Don't assume everything is a scam just because you aren't rich.

Neither CEPC or C88 are going anywhere, the government will see to that..Do you see any cigarette company closing anytime soon? even though the government know for a fact they kill people! Their going to leave it as a choice to humanity, right? I mean, why not, "but let's give them that choice to kill themselves slowly, and profit off them at the same time"..

Even if they had something wrong, the SEC will see they have a winner, and let them fix it. It's common sense. Their not going to go anywhere, just like Swisscash...

People are born everyday, and we can't cater for this massive growth, what better way than to kill them all off while making cash to better our own lives. An $800,000 dining table in the white house? are you kidding me? What's the biggest scam? TAX is. Oh but we need to TAX you, otherwise we cant build roads, or pay people to build water pipes for your taps, blah blah blah..We can't just make cash and use it, because we need a greedy format, winners/losers to define the world. if I go to school, and am lucky enough to learn to be a Dr or lawyer, I get to have a luxurious life style, while those that aren't capable get stuck with a 3rd world hut, dirty water and no road to use.

I have to pay you TAX (Mr. TAX man) because I work. But I certainly don't need any of your water pipes, because I built my own water resources, and I don't need any of your power, because I run on sunlight and wind. But I still have to pay TAXES right? YEAH YOU DO, because you drive your car on roads don't you? errrm, no, I ride my bike through the forest you cut down every year to make the greed money in which you use to define a certain class of human.

Now that's the biggest scam..

CEP has 3 weeks left as this Trevor put it. Try to keep the slander and assumptions at a minimum, because if you are wrong, your credibility to predict a scam will surely be hurt, and nobody will believe anything you say again..Keep it constructive and always give proof to back it up.

Assumptions are the first sign of a lazy person.

I admire people who look out for others, and matrix watch, believe me. But some are just not qualified to be a watcher, and this not only could hurt the ones you want to protect, but hurts your credibility in the process.

[Webwatch]

Why would they need to ask that? There not there to tell everyone about scams, their there to make money from advertising...You really think they care about you? I mean look at the folder its in closed programs and scams. 2 totally different things. A program can close without being a scam last time I checked...So why not have two folders? Because they don't care...If it's not paying or not paying in a certain timeframe, they have no choice but to move it there, those are the rules. Once its back up, it will be moved from there once again.Thats a big assumption, its more of a case If CEP is back up, unless Trevor manages to switch it so members can receive a pittence on what they have invested, but if an SEC investigation is underway the chances of all CEP sites remaining functional is doubtfull. As far as the rest of the stuff about Talkgold I can't really disagree. Although every other folder is just a holding area for the closed/Not paying section.

It's clear to me most of you have only ever tried to make money online and been burnt. Don't assume everything is a scam just because you aren't rich. Another assumption although I tend to go along with it, most of us will have been burnt by one program or another but through experience comes wisdom or in some cases perhaps not. Don't assume that just because some of us aren't rich that we assume everything is a scam.

Neither CEPC or C88 are going anywhere, the government will see to that..Do you see any cigarette company closing anytime soon? even though the government know for a fact they kill people! Their going to leave it as a choice to humanity, right? I mean, why not, "but let's give them that choice to kill themselves slowly, and profit off them at the same time"..Hows the government going to protect CEP and C88 exactly. Everybody has the choice whether they want to get scammed or not, but they need to be aware of the possibility of the scam existing in the first place, think thats where we come in. I would agree that every online program should come with a health warning similar to cigarretes.
i.e.
Warning sending money to this program may cause you serious loss in the near future.

Not what we tend to see, with messages of no risk, your money is guaranteed, I am making 4x back on your investments to ensure you are protected.
As Trevors previous advice was to invest in programs such as 12dailypro, Alien Trust etc its a pretty huge leap to imagine he has suddenly become one of the worlds most astute investors.

Even if they had something wrong, the SEC will see they have a winner, and let them fix it. It's common sense. Their not going to go anywhere, just like Swisscash...This is a joke surely, CEP have something very wrong indeed, do you really think the SEC is going to just slap Trevor on the wrist and let him continue.
Swisscash is another scam that will be going down soon, if it hasn't already.
Did the SEC investigate swisscash ?

People are born everyday, and we can't cater for this massive growth, what better way than to kill them all off while making cash to better our own lives.Genecide is never a good solution to any problem, IMHO
An $800,000 dining table in the white house? are you kidding me? What's the biggest scam? TAX is. Oh but we need to TAX you, otherwise we cant build roads, or pay people to build water pipes for your taps, blah blah blah..We can't just make cash and use it, because we need a greedy format, winners/losers to define the world. if I go to school, and am lucky enough to learn to be a Dr or lawyer, I get to have a luxurious life style, while those that aren't capable get stuck with a 3rd world hut, dirty water and no road to use.You won't get many arguments defending how great Taxation is, but what this has to do with an online scam I have no idea, or are you just trying to show how CEP is not as bad as another bad thing that most of us have no choice than participating in.

I have to pay you TAX (Mr. TAX man) because I work. But I certainly don't need any of your water pipes, because I built my own water resources, and I don't need any of your power, because I run on sunlight and wind. But I still have to pay TAXES right? YEAH YOU DO, because you drive your car on roads don't you? errrm, no, I ride my bike through the forest you cut down every year to make the greed money in which you use to define a certain class of human.
Now that's the biggest scam..Maybe so but I pay my Taxes and know I'm not going to make a huge return, Taxes never pretend to be anything else than what they are i.e. A Tax.
If you feel this strongly against it you could always give up on society and become a Hermit.

CEP has 3 weeks left as this Trevor put it. Try to keep the slander and assumptions at a minimum, because if you are wrong, your credibility to predict a scam will surely be hurt, and nobody will believe anything you say again..Keep it constructive and always give proof to back it up. Didn't Trevor say a few are you assuming he meant 3, Its Libel by the way (not that it matters), I don't fear for my credibility really as I don't think I have any, well not in the virtual world, its all about getting individuals to research things themselves not just take the word for it of some forum poster. Trevor has to prove to investors by full disclosure that he isn't running a scam, its because of his inability to do this either by bad advice or more likely design that members of CEP are in the mess they are in now.

Assumptions are the first sign of a lazy person.
Forum rules prevent me from really getting stuck in here, but lets just say it appears to be quite a common trait.

I admire people who look out for others, and matrix watch, believe me. But some are just not qualified to be a watcher, and this not only could hurt the ones you want to protect, but hurts your credibility in the process.Don't think you need any qualifications to give an opinion.

[Andrew.P]

Okay, yes, Swisscash was investigated, and they have been back up for months now. So that's Strike 1 for you.

I said CEPC and C88, not CEP.

Once the government find out Trevor needs CEP to function his other two programs, CEPC and C88, the government aren't going to close down CEP if they know what's good for them, because that's how Trevor makes his money to buy ad packs in C88 and CEPC to keep up daily percentages without needing new members to pay Joe. (which is totally legal to do last I checked.).

And the current member base of CEPC and C88 have to pay taxes on what they make....So they don't need any new members to boost daily percentages, and that means they aren't a ponzi.

If CEP never had to freeze Trevor's funds, C88 would still be paying 5% per day. CEPC is currently back to normal. C88 currently has 3 weeks to go before everything is back to normal over there. And that means, end of investigation of CEP and ready to rock and roll.

He has backup funds to continually keep the daily percentages up at CEPC until this investigation is over, which wont be long. And that's not an assumption, it's a fact. Whether it happens or not is another thing.

People don't invest in CEPC or C88, they buy advertising, so no refunds there sorry. They also have a reserve account in case anything goes wrong, which is enough to buy out each and every active ad pack, of each and every current member of CEPC and C88.

Trevor told me 1 month last week in an email that they will not have to depend on daily upgrades anymore (with a big smile I might add :D). His lawyer said everything looks fine ^^..Where you guys are getting this "he's a scammer" from I don't know...

Who said he didn't have a license? This is private information only he and his lawyers know, and certain people he's told.

So I didn't assume anything..I know the facts. Unless he's full of it of course...Then I'm just a clear idiot ;)

Again, if it were a ponzi, he would need new members to pay the current member base. But this is the model, invest money from those of CEP into (cough consumable cough), he more than triples his own money as well, then buys ad packs in his own programs CEPC and C88 to keep the current daily percentage where it is, which can last till the end of the earth as we know it because those investments are (cough consumable cough)..

Once the member base is big enough to survive on its own, he can start spending some of his cash..Now that's what I call a master plan ^^, Christian or not, it's genius..And why he says (ONE OF A KIND)...

So this is why I say "WEHN" CEP will be back up, because even if they do find something wrong with it, they'll be stupid to let it go..I mean, the government love money, who doesn't..And they'll be getting plenty of it from CEPC and C88 members and the only way to keep CEPC and C88 alive for the time being, is to keep CEP in the picture. ;).

But what would I know :D...

[HonestIncome]

Ok

So I didn't assume anything..I know the facts. Unless he's full of it of course...Then I'm just a clear idiot

But what would I know :D...Exactly :p

I have never seen so much bad info in one place. Even the CEP
Forum has GoldKitty and Boxcars who know how CEP will end

I suggest you read their posts......
Most of the more rational CEP members are seeing the light

Andrew.P? Your last name wouldn't happen to be PONZI would it? :D

[Webwatch]

Okay, yes, Swisscash was investigated, and they have been back up for months now. So that's Strike 1 for you.
Strike 1 is it. Are you really sure swisscash is still up and running.

Anyway I have a news article that may be of interest as it relates to another program being discussed here as well.

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/storypage.aspx?StoryId=83376
The Securities and Exchange Commission has renewed its warning to the public against the re-emergence of companies engaging in Internet-based Ponzi schemes.

A Ponzi scheme is a type of investment fraud wherein an operator promises high financial returns that are not expected from traditional investments. Instead of investing the victims’ funds, the operator pays the original investors with the money given by subsequent investors. Usually, enough money is returned to the original few investors to make them believe that profits are actually being realized.

In a notice to public, the SEC said Francswiss, Swiss Cash, Universal Forex System, Global America and Private Forex Trade Inc. are not registered entities and are thus not authorized to solicit investments from the public.

SEC Compliance and Enforcement Department head Hubert Guevara said Private Forex Trade has been found to be misleading the public by showing a fake SEC certificate of registration on its website.

The following are some of the features of an Internet-based Ponzi investment scheme: no SEC registration, investments should be made in foreign currency, preferably in US dollars; uses a binary network to earn commissions, no paper trail, promises little or no financial risk, assures pay-off of investments in a short time, uses high-pressure methods to convince investors to reinvest their earnings and unknown principal office, address, founders, directors or officers.

“This investment scheme ordinarily collapses as fast as they are created while leaving its investors behind and unable to recoup their investments,” Guevara said.

Guevara has advised the public to immediately report to the SEC any offer of investment made by persons who represent these entities or other entities using similar modus operandi to ensure that appropriate enforcement can be taken.

Pseudo-investment firms offer high interest rates ranging from five to 15 percent a month to entice the public to put in their hard-earned money.

The yields are significantly higher than the four to five percent annual rate on Treasury bills.

Good news for CEP'ers CEP wasn't mentioned or is that bad news-Oh the speculation is killing me.
The CEP forum can get a bit of mileage out of this for a few weeks while Trevor is away with Ginger.

What, me posting something that doesn't back up my own argument (well apart from the registration bit), I never said I wasn't fair..

N.B. If admin here want to move this to the news section thats up to them.. I've done my bit.

[Andrew.P]

Swisscash is another scam that will be going down soon, if it hasn't already.

http://www.swisscash.net/Web/asc_company.aspx

Updated Date: 05-feb-2007
Creation Date: 24-aug-2005
Expiration Date: 24-aug-2011

http://www.swisscash.net/web/global_contact.aspx

That's nearly 3 years running next month.

So yeah, strike 1. ;)

--

And I'm going to throw you a curve ball here.

http://www.colonendparenthesis.net

Updated Date: 19-oct-2006
Creation Date: 10-dec-2005
Expiration Date: 10-dec-2008


Registrant:
Colon End Parenthesis
366 W Oak Ave Apt R
Wake Forest, North Carolina 27587
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: COLONENDPARENTHESIS.NET
Created on: 10-Dec-05
Expires on: 10-Dec-08
Last Updated on: 19-Oct-06

Administrative Contact:
Reed, Trevor admin@colonendparenthesis.com
Colon End Parenthesis
366 W Oak Ave Apt R
Wake Forest, North Carolina 27587
United States
5709837674

Technical Contact:
Reed, Trevor admin@colonendparenthesis.com
Colon End Parenthesis
366 W Oak Ave Apt R
Wake Forest, North Carolina 27587
United States
5709837674

People with intent to scam don't register domains for this long.

[Webwatch]

People with intent to scam don't register domains for this long.
Unfortunately Andrew I think you'll find they do.

As far as the Adress's go, I think you'll also find it hard to reach Trevor there.

Its very cheap to register a domain name, the whole Trick in a confidence trick is to build confidence. I know that doesn't give Trevor and Swisscash much chance but am I bothered...

[surfer]

Domain name: studiotraffic.com
Creation date: 11 Aug 2003 21:36:32
Expiration date: 11 Aug 2010 21:36:32

Domain Name: 12DAILYPRO.COM
Created on: 18-Apr-05
Expires on: 18-Apr-11

Gee, where are they now?

I've seen antiscam people use the same
argument when registration is only for
a year.

Both sides are wrong.

So what if a scammer spends an extra $60
or $70 to register his domain for a decade.
He knows it will be easy enough to steal
it back from some naive investor.

It sounds like Andrew only "knows" what
the scammer is telling people, so he really
knows nothing.

Money transmitter licenses are public record,
not something private. :rolleyes:
So I didn't assume anything..I know the facts. Unless he's full of it of course...Then I'm just a clear idiot
Well, he's full of it, so..........................

[Webwatch]

Okay, yes, Swisscash was investigated, and they have been back up for months now. So that's Strike 1 for you.
Not that I can't accept a strike when I get one but having searched the SEC database for quite a while I can't find any record of swisscash being investigated and coming out clean, in fact the only real reference to them is the recent warning about them being a ponzi scheme.

All I can find is what Accountant has mentioned on TG about another company with a similar name which was Swiss Trade:
Its a fairly long read so I'll highlight where I think the confusion occurs.
http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/lr15689.txt
SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION
Washington, D.C.

Litigation Release No. 15689 / March 30, 1998

SEC v. Banner Fund International, Civil Action No. 94-342
(EGS) ( D.D.C.)

The Securities and Exchange Commission announced today that
on March 26, 1998, The Honorable Emmet Sullivan, United
States District Judge for the District of Columbia, granted
the Commission's motion for summary judgment against
defendants Lloyd R.Winburn, Swiss Trade & Commerce Trust
Ltd., and Eddie R. Blackwell. The Court enjoined the
defendants from violating Sections 5 and 17(a) of the
Securities Act, Section 10(b) of the Exchange Act and Rule
10b-5, and Section 7(d) of the Investment Company Act.
Finding that defendants had knowingly and intentionally
misrepresented the purpose of the investment they had
promoted and the use to which investors' funds would be put,
the Court ordered defendants to disgorge, jointly and
severally, $6.5 million they had raised through their false
and misleading statements, and to pay $2.69 million in
prejudgment interest. The Court previously had entered a
default judgment against defendant Banner Fund International
on the same claims.

From late 1992 through 1994, defendants Winburn and
Blackwell, both United States citizens operating first out
of Aruba and later from Belize, offered and sold investments
in the Banner Fund International Offshore Arbitrage
Leveraging Program, which they advertised as an opportunity
for the "little guy" to take advantage of "phenomenal"
opportunities in the financial markets. Through the vehicle
of Banner Fund, under the management of Swiss Trade, Winburn
and Blackwell claimed that investors' funds would be
leveraged into large profits with little or no room for
loss. In fact, after raising at least $6.5 million from
mailings targeted primarily at unsophisticated investors
with small amounts of capital to invest, defendants failed
to engage in any leverage or arbitrage activity, but instead
spent the money on real estate and a shrimp farm in Belize,
and on various trusts in the United States engaged in
lending money to defendants' relatives and friends.

In addition to rendering judgment for the Commission, the
Court denied Blackwell's motion for summary judgment, which
was based primarily on the contention that, because
defendants were located in Belize, the Court lacked subject
matter jurisdiction over the action. To the contrary, the
Court found, defendants' perpetration of a fraud against
United States investors through the use of the United States
mails indisputably established subject matter jurisdiction
under the federal securities laws.
For further information, see Litigation Release No. 15311.
I remember the CEP forum had a few cheerleaders siteing swisscash as an example of how the SEC doesn't always win due to paperwpork issues and some illusion that there is a huge safety net by being registered in Belize.

Andrew I have a feeling this argument has stuck in your mind a bit and giving me a strike was based on lack of research and blindly believing what others say.