Bullying at CEP Forum

[libby]

I have a question about what is going on at the CEP forum. As we can read, members are attacking other members who have any questions or doubts about the validity of CEP. Some even bring their attacks to this forum.

I can understand why this type of behavior would occur if CEP was still taking deposits and paying out. No one wants to kill the goose who is laying the golden eggs.

But, can anyone tell me why the bullying members of CEP are so much more harsh now that there will be no more payments, other than from the SEC, of course? Some have mentioned that some members are getting paid to keep their foot on the neck of other members who may have doubts. I'm sure we all have an idea who those members are. But I can't understand why they are so fanatical now that there is no money left. Are the mods in on the scam? They claim to be as much in the dark as the regular members.

I am intrigued by human behavior. I realized a short while ago that CEP is a scam. I didn't want to get attacked on that forum for being disloyal, and trying to destroy CEP. But, I also am no dummy. The hand-writing is on the wall. I loved what CEP stood for and wish it could have been real.

I didn't want to get attacked on this forum either. CEP members were being referred to as sheep, stupid, etc.... But then I noticed that things were beginning to change on this forum. There was suddenly more honest dialog and intelligent exchange of opinions and ideas than on the CEP forum. So I joined this forum.

I think a lot of CEP members feel as I did. They feel they will be attacked at CEP and here, so they just don't say anything anywhere. I think if the CEP forums continue to discourage open, honest dialog, you will find more CEP members joining this forum for support. People will only be silenced for so long when their money is involved.

Please continue to help members become aware and wake up from the brainwashing they have fallen prey to. They have already been preyed on by CEP, and don't need to be made to feel worse if they want to come here.

As I said, I have noticed a big change here, and I appreciate the education and hospitality I have received.

[surfer]

As I don't frequent the CEP forums I can only
tell you what is probably happening based on
experience watching these things play out.

When these things start to collapse as they
all inevitably do, members will naturally split
apart.

Some people come to the realization that it
was a scam from day 1 and others choose to
keep believing that there was something else
at fault that caused the failure, i.e., government
intervention, negative comments that slowed
growth, etc.

What you end up with is similar to what you
get at places like Matrix Watch when scam
supporters come here and start trying to tell
us we don't know what we're talking about, we're
just a bunch of negative people, blah, blah, blah.

The truth about every one of these scams can
be found in pretty simple math. The returns they
all promise are outlandish and can never be
maintained. Some scams simply last longer than
others.

There is a chance some mods are getting some
sort of kickback, but there is very little reason for
admin to do so because the scam is done. About
the only reason is to try and slow down complaints
to the authorities by stringing people along and
placing blame elsewhere.

I loved what CEP stood for and wish it could have been real.
The harsh reality is that scams like CEP only stand
for making cash for the admin of the scam.
I think a lot of CEP members feel as I did. They feel they will be attacked at CEP and here, so they just don't say anything anywhere. I think if the CEP forums continue to discourage open, honest dialog, you will find more CEP members joining this forum for support. People will only be silenced for so long when their money is involved.
Hopefully, you also realize that many people stay
quiet because they are perpetual scam players
who view it all as a game. Win some, lose some.
They don't care that this garbage is illegal, nor do
they care that many people who lose are simply
naive, desperate individuals who really can't afford
to lose, but get sucked in by the lies and hype that
surrounds these con games.

Even though I try not to use negative labels that
you mentioned, what we do here can be extremely
frustrating and I occasionally slip.

You see, people just like you who join a scam that
is doing exactly what it says it will do constantly
come here telling us that we have no idea what
we're talking about, we can't know it's a scam
unless we join, we are negative, bitter people, etc.,
etc.

Scam supporters ignore the obvious mathematical
impossibilities and try to debate us with illogical
arguments based on whether or not a scam is
currently paying, the admin is a wonderful christian
man/woman, or whatever else.

They constantly deny the irrefutable mathematical
impossibilities of sustaining these schemes.

I'm glad you are enjoying the forums.

However, you should know that just as scams like
CEP will all inevitably collapse or be shut down, it is
inevitable that there will be some less than pleasant
times on this and any forum.

That is simply human nature.

[Webwatch]

[Warning this post is a candidate for the longest waffle of the day award]

Hi libby, Although Surfer has answered all your points better than I could I have to stick my 2 pence worth in.

I am intrigued by human behavior. I realized a short while ago that CEP is a scam. I didn't want to get attacked on that forum for being disloyal, and trying to destroy CEP. But, I also am no dummy. The hand-writing is on the wall. I loved what CEP stood for and wish it could have been real.I too am intrigued by human behaviour, everyone has there own levels of tolerence and understanding and no one wants to be told they have made a bad investment especially when the decision to make that investment was swayed by either some religious belief or trust. What CEP stood for was an ideal dream that feeds on what most of us wish for, yes most of us want to help others by giving money to the needy, but we are also selfish enough to want a better/more secure life for ourselves. It was no accident that CEP played the religious card, its a common practice and an easy trick to pull off.

I didn't want to get attacked on this forum either. CEP members were being referred to as sheep, stupid, etc.... But then I noticed that things were beginning to change on this forum. There was suddenly more honest dialog and intelligent exchange of opinions and ideas than on the CEP forum. So I joined this forum. You may find that Matrixwatch becomes less of a battle ground than the CEP forum develops into as a lot of trust and friendships that have developed fall apart when members realise that those who where blindly singing CEP's praises where doing so because they hadn't the experience or free will to do otherwise.

I'll pick a few (A word thats getting a lot of attention at the moment) of the CEP members at random and I don't intend to attack anyone just give my honest opinion (apologies for anyone I miss out).

divitime.
I've had quite a few chats with him and (although he will never know it) and I find that he comes across as a good inspirational member for those that want to believe that CEP will prevail through this SEC investigation. I'm not calling him a plant because lately some of the posts have shown some sign of doubt or at least questioning whats going on which is never welcome amongst the ones who are still hypnotised by Trevors scheme.
I enjoy reading divi's posts and although we all thought he was a lady at one time he is passionate about what he says. This passion would be very benefitial if he stays around to support members in filing complaints when CEP closes. Divi will think I'm talking rubbish but I'm talking about a future scenario that will come into play.

HNV.
Another one I like to talk to on all the CEP forums but obviously has made a lot of money out of all the CEP programs and I wouldn't reccomend taking those honey flavoured posts to seriously.;)

Carlos.
A tricky one this because here is CEP's resident fire and brimstone preacher and anything I say against Carlos will not go down to well. It may also assist in uniting the CEP by even more hatred for us naysayers than is in place at the moment. Members who are coming out of this Ponzi Bubble will start to get a little frustrated by his posts and watch how they stray onto hot topic threads in an attempt to remind members of their own faith and quel any uprising.

Goldkitty.
I've saved the best for last. GK is probably one of the most eloquent informed people I have ever come across and displays an extensive knowledge of not only SEC regulations but also their implementation. Hopefully she can also play a major part in assisting victims in the future. And before you ask this definately isn't me.
I think a lot of CEP members feel as I did. They feel they will be attacked at CEP and here, so they just don't say anything anywhere. I think if the CEP forums continue to discourage open, honest dialog, you will find more CEP members joining this forum for support. People will only be silenced for so long when their money is involved. Its easy to understand these feelings and its no coincidence that we are painted in a bad light. There will always be disagreements and insults thrown around and yes I can be guilty of going over the top as well. But most of us are here to help not only try and pick up the pieces but there is also sometimes an added bonus of a few members being scammed by one program and taking an active role here in warning others against the next one.

Unfortunately there will always be those who just move on and invest more money in another scam just because they think they are getting in early enough or are conviced they could never make the same mistake twice (or in some cases 10 times). Some will call them habitual losers but I prefer habitual trusters.

Then theres those that Pimp these programs on all the scam forums knowing they will fail, you will know them by their fruit or in one particular case Berry Tree, these take advantage of a scams collapse by trying to act like the pied piper and drag victims to another-but the least said about these the better.

Sorry for the long post, its not often I get chance to waffle on and there is no intention to upset any genuine victims.
For those victims of CEP who have enough on their plate at the moment without worrying about infiltrators I promise not to post on the CEP forum again unless I announce who I am.

I know some will hate what I say but that goes with the territory and if I wanted to be everyones friend I would eventually be asking for your money.

Just my opinion and no alternative scam in my signature notice.

[libby]

Thanks for the clarification surfer and Webwatch. I understand a lot more of how this works. Do either of you think the mods are involved in the scam? Are they paid staff members or volunteers? Are they as really out-of-the-know as everyone else?

I agree that Goldkitty is very knowledgeable. At one point I was beginning to believe she was a plant from the SEC. She is so knowledgeable, and she is able to rebut all of the ponzi propaganda with facts. It really wakes you up when you research the things she has said.

You find out she is stating how things really are, in spite of what you are being told on the forum. When you can acknowledge that what you are being told is different from the actual law, then you have no choice but to realize it is a scam. It is so hurtful to me because I want to better myself and help other people do the same thing. But on the other hand, I didn't want to stay in denial either. A lot of people's lives will be destroyed, and many will lose everything. There will be a lot of people who have to start over.

You are right, there are so many groups of members. From the ones who made a killing, to the ones who haven't gotten paid. As you said, we can't forget the pimps and ponzi playas. We also can't forget the obvious cheerleaders who pop up with overly positive remarks and prayers to drown out relevant questioning. With so many different groups of people, there is going to be mass disagreement when things start of fail. I think this is because everyone is looking at the situation from his own point of view. The people who never received payment look at the ones who made a killing and feel like, "that's easy enough for you to say!!!". It has a feeling to me of one of those big buildings imploding. It is just falling in on itself.

Trevor should have refunded Roberbs mother's money immediately. To find out the CEP address is probably just a mail drop is disheartening. But, I think a lot more disappointing things are getting ready to come out in the wash.

[roberbs]

I had hoped that someone would see the light and possibly save someone from putting anymore money into CEP. I am happy that someone is getting it. It's very clear to me that Trevor is playing games. He keeps contradicting himself and playing dumb. It's unfortunate that after reading his emails to me, some people still think that he is going to do the right thing. It's sad because my mom died only 20 days after investing nearly $30,000 in Coastin88, CEP Trust and CEP Coast. By the way, I posted the last email from Trevor on the CEP is not a scam thread. One moment he says he didn't get the package, after I continuously prodded him for the correct address, then he admits that he did get it. I was told that I had to send him documentation first. Then after he admits that he has the documentation, then he says CEP is a new company and he needs more time to figure out what to do. After I told him that legitimate investment companies send a check within 48 hours. Then he tells me Coastin88 and CEP Coast are not investment companies, they are advertising companies and there is no money to be refunded or disbursed. I am cooperating with the SEC because I have nothing to lose at this point and I am also filing a lawsuit against CEP companies. Hopefully, I can get in the front of the line, before the mad rush.

[siska]

I have a question about what is going on at the CEP forum. As we can read, members are attacking other members who have any questions or doubts about the validity of CEP. Some even bring their attacks to this forum.

I can understand why this type of behavior would occur if CEP was still taking deposits and paying out. No one wants to kill the goose who is laying the golden eggs.

But, can anyone tell me why the bullying members of CEP are so much more harsh now that there will be no more payments, other than from the SEC, of course? Some have mentioned that some members are getting paid to keep their foot on the neck of other members who may have doubts. I'm sure we all have an idea who those members are. But I can't understand why they are so fanatical now that there is no money left. Are the mods in on the scam? They claim to be as much in the dark as the regular members.

I am intrigued by human behavior. I realized a short while ago that CEP is a scam. I didn't want to get attacked on that forum for being disloyal, and trying to destroy CEP. But, I also am no dummy. The hand-writing is on the wall. I loved what CEP stood for and wish it could have been real.

I didn't want to get attacked on this forum either. CEP members were being referred to as sheep, stupid, etc.... But then I noticed that things were beginning to change on this forum. There was suddenly more honest dialog and intelligent exchange of opinions and ideas than on the CEP forum. So I joined this forum.

I think a lot of CEP members feel as I did. They feel they will be attacked at CEP and here, so they just don't say anything anywhere. I think if the CEP forums continue to discourage open, honest dialog, you will find more CEP members joining this forum for support. People will only be silenced for so long when their money is involved.

Please continue to help members become aware and wake up from the brainwashing they have fallen prey to. They have already been preyed on by CEP, and don't need to be made to feel worse if they want to come here.

As I said, I have noticed a big change here, and I appreciate the education and hospitality I have received.

libby don't worry about CEP(did You join in June/07):)

[libby]

libby don't worry about CEP(did You join in June/07):)

Thanks Siska.:) Did they open for membership in June? I thought the SEC investigation began before May 18th, and all transactions stopped on May 18th. I was in a later group that joined before operations were halted. I had high hopes. I gather from your message that you still have a lot of hope in CEP. What are your concerns about the situation with CEP?