My take on CEP (baseball style):

[Anaconda]

One man on base: :applause:

A person who can believe that in the real world more than 30% profit per month can be made in the long run is either an adult who has serious IQ problems or is a kid not older than 16.
People with real investing background can try to contradict me here, but with serious arguments only, please.

Two men on base: :applause:

In the moment when the leadership of CEP Holdings (specifically the character identified as "Trevor Reid") told their membership that they are making on a regular basis 4 times more than the 60% monthly return they give in CEP it proved to me that this is not a ponzi run with professionalism, but a scam in which people are fed with incredible ridiculous lies (I just didn't wanted to use a lot more harsh words here) by some beginner and naive scammers.

Three men on base: :applause:

A. Some old CEP members say that in the course of the year 2006, at some points more money was paid out to membership than what total was invested. But... this is something that can be never proved, because these data could have been just some numbers on the screen.

B. Au contraire, the opening in December 2006, and the 2 other openings in 2007 are clear proof to me that this was done because new money was desperately needed to feed the scam, and to pay out for a while some cash-out requests for older members.

Grand slam: :applause: :applause: :applause:

CEP Holdings members are told that CEP Coast and Coastin 88 are totally independent from CEP, and these are not, and can be not seen as investments by the SEC.
This is another ridiculous lie, and, even if this would be true, when the inevitable Cease and Desist order will be issued against CEP, all CEP Holding sites will be shut down (including their unregistered money processor CEP Trust) by the action of SEC.

Anyone has the balls to contradict me with serious, I repeat again: serious arguments?

Thank you,
Anaconda ;)

[HonestIncome]

Anaconda
That was a home run and you hit it out of the park :applause:

One hell of a first post!!! Welcome to mATRIXwATCH.org I mean com

Things are a little topsy turvy here but it is still the only game in town at the
moment....

PS: I did enjoy the base balls innuendo and I would suggest you also
address the "not so serious arguments" too as that is probably
all you are going to get.......

[William Wallace]

Hey Anaconda,

While I'm reserving judgement until I see some hard evidence,
it's hard to argue with points like that!

I'm wondering, if the SEC issues a C&D if it would help put the screws to their lives in the same way they put the screws to our lives if we all sent emails to the two universities that Trevor and Clayton are said to be attending warning them of what these two characters are suspected of.

Questions? Comments? Issues?

[Anaconda]

I just remembered another ridiculous lie, but this one is so big by itself, that is good for another grand slam: :applause: :applause: :applause:

About 1 month before 18 May (if I remember well)- the date when payouts were halted, Trevor Reed told the CEP membership that he's been in touch with a group of bankers, who are very interested in CEP, and chances are that they will invest in the close future in CEP.

Can you believe this one folks? :crazy:
Bankers worshiping the money making skills of 2 young men, who popped out from nowhere to teach the whole world how money can be made from thin air! lol

Seriously, if we would make a review of CEP history, specially the updates of T Reed in the last 5 months, we would conclude that a collection of anecdotal lies were fed to the membership in order to keep them investing and compounding.
All these lies were made to play on the very long sustainability of CEP.

Anaconda ;)

[Anaconda]

Hey Anaconda,

While I'm reserving judgement until I see some hard evidence,
it's hard to argue with points like that!

I'm wondering, if the SEC issues a C&D if it would help put the screws to their lives in the same way they put the screws to our lives if we all sent emails to the two universities that Trevor and Clayton are said to be attending warning them of what these two characters are suspected of.

Questions? Comments? Issues?

Hey WW, with all these happenings lately, I begun to doubt that Trevor and Clayton are real people.

I mean they would've been just too stupid to have all their data for real given out to that many members if they planned to run a scam.
But, I can be very wrong, of course.

[Anaconda]

Can you believe how young are these scammer kids: :shake:

Trevor Reed is 25
Clayton Kimbrell is 23

(conform to the SEC civil action).

I thought they were closer to 30...
16,000 people (members) were ridiculised by some bad kids!

Well, at least they can go to jail now, they are over 18. lol

[Webwatch]

Just 5,000 I think, but pretended there was 16,000.

Maybe these youngsters could plead they where just doing a college project that got out of hand.

Those damn Ducks just weren't in that elusive row after all.

Seems they weren't professional scammers after all just got incredibly lucky or in this case unlucky.

[Anaconda]

Just 5,000 I think, but pretended there was 16,000.

Maybe these youngsters could plead they where just doing a college project that got out of hand.

Those damn Ducks just weren't in that elusive row after all.

Seems they weren't professional scammers after all just got incredibly lucky or in this case unlucky.

Oh yeah, my bad, I just recall seeing that members were just 5,000 not 16,000.

Talking about a college project: lol

Too bad these kids were not in a psychology or sociology studies, because then they really could made this as a university project about "How a large mass of adults can be fooled to lose their hard earned money, using the Internet as a media". :crazy:

Webwatch, don't you find almost incredible that a lots of CEP forumers still believe that all this SEC accusation is not so bad, and if CEPH has good lawyers, they still can come up winning in the courthouse?

This is just too much for me, and I thought I've seen all... those people are completely brainwashed I guess....

[Accountant]

There is no winning at the courthouse, not in the civil case anyhow, this is the legal equal of a Consent Decree, when the Judge signed it the part of the case determining guilt or innocence was decided. They are and have been found by a federal court to be guilty, no facts of law are in dispute.
The only things left to decide is how deeply to unwind transactions, and how to refund defrauded members equitably. The winners are going to have to pay back what they made (I've always maintained that they could be made to pay back more than their profits, the way the law is written, why should they just be back to zero when everyone else is settling for X perccent?) and interest.
Then there is the criminal case, which won't be filed for a year or so, the receiver has to finish wrapping up the company first, and then Trevor and Clayton go to jail for 10 years give or take. No parole in federal prison guys, have fun!

[mitrod3]

The winners are going to have to pay back what they made......


Being new to some of this I would appreciate a better understanding.

I was approached but folks here in CEP and sensed that it might be a "ponzi" so I did not get in. My own financial advisors also confirmed what I was sensing and helped steer me away from it. A number of friends here did get in though. Some are now "loosers" and some were big time winners in this as they were in from the beginning as well as talking others into it.

I will be talking with some of these folks in the next few days and helping them work through what has happened. I would really like to know more about the above statement and aspect of this situation and whether any of the "loosers" might stand a chance of seeing any of their money?

Thanks.