Gotmatrix deletes posts

[sampson]

I have never posted here, and probably won't after this, but I was mad when my post at Gotmatrix was deleted, that I thought you guys might like to hear about it.

On their forum, there was someone asking a question about taking out a loan. Can you believe that? This person asked if anyone else had taken out a personal loan to invest in matrix sites. He thought he could make a lot of money that way.

I decided to post a reply. I said that Gotmatrix couldn't guarantee that he/she would cycle, and I thought it would be a bad idea to take out a loan. I also posted this sentence.

"Would you take out a loan to go to the casino?"

My point was that it was dumb to want to take out a loan. Well, anyway, my post was deleted. When I saw that it was deleted, I reposted, and also said that it was deleted in the post. About 5 minutes later, the entire thread was gone. I can't stand being treated like that. What reasons do they need to censor people.

[concerned]

Yeah, I wouldn't put it past them to delete posts like that. They are really mad at us right now, so it will be interesting to see what they have to say about this one. They will probably just sweep it under the rug like the rest of the things we post here about them. Thanks for the post. We hope you come back though.

[mikv]

That seems to be the way that Greg handles things these days. I guess he must think that if he deletes it, it will go away. He's basically trying to keep all (what he views) as negative posts from his forums. He doesn't want anyone "casting a negative shadow" on his site. Although he's doing a hell of a job at that with nobody else's help. I had a thread deleted on me too last week.
He claims to have a 95% customer satisfaction ratio, and deleting posts may be how he keeps it, cause it sure ain't by cycling people.

[peterdragin]

Don't worry he will get his soon.

[MatrixWatch]

Originally posted by sampson
On their forum, there was someone asking a question about taking out a loan. Can you believe that? This person asked if anyone else had taken out a personal loan to invest in matrix sites. He thought he could make a lot of money that way.



I remember this post. The guy was saying that he wanted to take out a $6000 dollar loan from the bank and invest it in GotMatrix's lists. He figured that the return on investment (ROI) would benefit him, and he wanted to know how long it would take him to cycle. Well, seeing that GotMatrix's lists are LONG, it would probably take him about 2 years at their current sign-up rate. However, I can 99.99% guarantee that no one will cycle anytime soon at GotMatrix, since MatrixWatch.org is winning the battle against the matrix sites.

If I find out that Greg took this guys money, and given him the hope that he will actually cycle, then I will sue GotMatrix.com, and Greg Day on that gentleman's behalf. GotMatrix would be feeding off the customer's ignorance of their business model, and I do not believe that is fair.

[concerned]

Yeah, I would like to know if he talked the guy into taking out the loan. Why would he delete that thread? Does he want someone to take out a big loan to invest in his site? If he does, then he has to acknowledge the fact that he is selling spots on the matrix rather than ebooks. I'd like to see him explain why someone would need to finance ebooks, when they can be found on the internet for free.

[sigx97]

=)

[sampson]

sigx

I see you are an administrator at that site. Did you delete it? Why was it deleted. Don't you want to make people aware that taking out a loan is not smart, and that gotmatrix is not an investment site, or do you people just delete negative posts, so that your business looks like it has satisfied customers. And to think, I almost purchased a spot in one of your computer matrix lines. I'm glad I didn't do that.

[sigx97]

I am not an admin on the site. Just a mod on the forums. I have nothing to do with the running of the site anymore than Joe Everyday Customer does. The only thing different about my me on the site is my screen name has the word mod. SO its not MY computer lines. I have a nice computer I got a year ago, so my name is not even on those lines.

[sampson]

Ok, you are not an admin, you are a mod. Doesn't that still mean you can delete posts? If not, then I'm sorry, but I am still upset that my post got deleted. If that person does take out a loan, then whoever at that site deleted my post did not allow that person to hear opinions that would benefit the customer. Also, if they do take out a loan, and invest, and something happens where they don't cycle, then whoever deleted that post could be in trouble also, I would think. It just seems to me that the actions at Gotmatrix is only to benefit their bank account. It isn't about the customers.

[concerned]

sampson

I think you are right. Greg, the owner of GotMatrix.com, in my opinion only has his pocket book in mind. All that most of these matrix owners care about is the profit, no matter how they get their hands on the money. Go look at some other posts out there. There are a couple of previous owners that have posted that they did at one time do the same thing JUST FOR THE MONEY. They also admit that they knew it was wrong, and some even admit that they were told by payprocessors that it was illegal, but they continued on.

[sigx97]

=)

[THE-DARK-SIDE]

Hey any of THE-DARK-SIDE's fans will know of my beef with gotmatrix and this is a new one.

I do have a question though. How long before the thread was removed. Was only your posting removed first. If he removed the whole thread at once then no problem. However if he allowed the loan question to stay posted and just no negative comments to be allowed shame on you greg. No loan should ever be taken out for future enrichment. That was a bad post by a noob and should have been removed at once.

THE-DARK-SIDE

[sampson]

Thanks, THE-DARK-SIDE. I have read some of your posts, and even posted on the post at Matrix Agency about the problem you had with Got Matrix. Let me try to explain. I think the loan question was posted on Friday or Saturday. I read it on Sunday. I posted my response Sunday night. My post was deleted. On Monday afternoon, I noticed my post was deleted. I posted again, and also in the post said it had been deleted before. About 5-10 minutes later, the entire thread was gone.

[MatrixWatch]

So they did leave it up then.

[sampson]

Yeah, they left it up far at least 2 days. There were other posts under the first one. They were giving advise about which lines they should invest in. There might have been 2 others. They told the guy that he should buy into a certain computer line, because the rewards were the best. I think it was the mac line. Anyway, I wish I would have saved it, as I'm sure you guys would like to read it, but that is all the information I have.

[Agent|Star]

We are hearing just one side of the tale, I wonder what the thread really looked like... To bad I dont go there.... I just have a few questions cause I dont entirly disagree with deleting posts, it all comes down to what the situation is.


Are there mods or other admins that could have deleted it?
Are you positive GotMatrix Owner deleted it?
Were you the first person to post in that thread?
Were you the only person talking him out of it?
Were there any members actually supporting his loan question?
In your post did you just plainly say bad idea or did you discredit GotMatrixs site directly?


Sorry if these questions have been answered before... I would appreciate your reply. I am not trying to pick any immediate sides, just wanted a better image of the situation... Thanks

[THE-DARK-SIDE]

THANX SAMPSON

I have yet to post on gregs forum but now I think I will. That was bad ethics on gregs part. If you have a question thread you have to accept both pro and con. Hmmm!

Well look for my posts there as well! Coming soon!

Also I have been told that I back post on several forums. Ie change my opinion on matrix sites. Let me state I do not go back on my thoughts or opinions.
I am a member of several matrix sites!
I am a former owner!
I think at this time matrix sites are legal!
I have my opinions! Some pro some not so pro!

I don't look at all sites as one site, but as individual sites! I post my threads, replies, as such. Just because I think one site is bad, crooked, ripping people off, does not make me anti matrix!

I post as I see it, as an individual site or question posed!

THE-DARK-SIDE

Ps Watchdog please change my user ID to THE-DARK-SIDE for my loyal fans!

[Agent|Star]

Originally posted by THE-DARK-SIDE
I have yet to post on gregs forum but now I think I will.

Sounds like you are going their with a bone to pick... :D
Thats like immediatly showing up to start conflict...
Is isnt even confirmed that Greg himself did the removal...
There are other mods there correect?

After taking the time to read yoru first post lol.... I will have to say that deleting your post was not the best thing to do. Hell, I don't consider the post very threatening at all, since I have seen worst lol.

[THE-DARK-SIDE]

No no bone to pick, I try to make the rounds on all the forums! I have read some of the postings there but never really paid any attention. That is controversy and THE-DARK-SIDE loves controversy! I am an open minded poster. I just always assumed the posts were generic on there forum. Now I see they actually have something worth my time reading. Maybe! Will go and see.

One last note, in my quest for more members I need to branch out. Gregs forum looks like a great site to recruit more young minds to

THE-DARK-SIDE

[Agent|Star]

Originally posted by THE-DARK-SIDE
One last note, in my quest for more members I need to branch out. Gregs forum looks like a great site to recruit more young minds to THE-DARK-SIDE

Interesting closings to all your posts....
You say "I am an open minded poster" and other things along that line then why do you address your fans on occasion lol... As if you are trying to entertain people more so then just make serious posts.... Now your recruiting? lol huMmmm...

*BigStarr, turns on the light*

[THE-DARK-SIDE]

Yes I am trying to entertain, by opening peoples mind to other ideas, views and that sort.

Yes I try to have fun on these posts. Nobody wants to read a boring post. Thus you will notice my posts, threads and the sort tend to be longer than others. I bring my DARK-SIDE thoughts to these forums! If I have fun doing it, so what, as long as it gets more people to read, become aware, and to learn. I pefer open minded, self thinking members on

THE-DARK-SIDE

[concerned]

Quit steeling this thread Dark Side and Star.

Start this conversation somewhere else.

[Agent|Star]

lol........

If the mods here did any work they could split posts? I know I have done splits on posts that go off topic.. Its not hard :D

[MatrixWatch]

GotMatrix just closed their forums to non-members. Why?

[THE-DARK-SIDE]

Hey I am a member! But still can't get on their site! He might have shut it down when he heard I was heading his way! LOL! Oh well will check his site in the morning see if it's back online or my internet connection is just really sucking tonight!

THE-DARK-SIDE

[mikv]

It is still up...I was having a problem getting on that site too last night, but this morning it's back. Probably just some internet lag or something.

[glyphrunner]

There are multiple moderators on the GotMatrix site, in addition to the administrator, Greg.

I also have been a part of a thread that was deleted at one point. When I asked Greg on this, he went through the logs and found that there was a moderator that was performing deletions quite frequently. Since that time, the moderator has been warned.

If anything, this instance was probably at the hands of that particular moderator. Greg has reigned in things like this, and continues to let posts be made that educate about lawsuits, etc.

The only beef that I have with this particular site (MatrixWatch) is that you're automatically attacking something that you personally feel isn't right, but what of those people that don't necessarily care for your opinion? If it's not illegal, then why should you be trying to destroy people's actions in commerce? Are you also going after casinos and horseracing? People understand that they are taking a chance; let them.

[Agent|Star]

thanks gly I been trying to make that point yesturday that it is not confirmed that Greg himself deleted the post since there are other mods.. SHeesh people... Posts get deleted all the time.. MatrixWatch doesnt exactly have clean record for handling posts heheheh... The only real problem I have is I hope someone contacts that guy and lets him know that a loan would be a VERY bad idea.

Also, I am a person who has been on both sides of an argument when it comes to matrix sites... I agree there are bad matrix sites out there but I dont believe they are all bad, which is why I'm always tossed around on sides... Anyhow in response to the numerious posts directed at MatrixWatch in relation to "why dont you focuss on other scams" theres really nothing wrong with him running this forum....... I think its better that a person does read this place and create their own opinions regarding a matrix site instead of finding this place after... Why you ask? only because those that find out after are the worst customers to have on your site heheh... They will be the ones to sue you! SO with that said, it is BETTER to have a customer join a site with FULL understanding, those are the ones that accept a loss and move on. The ones that misinterpret the system and feel tricked usually fight back for that......

[concerned]

Originally posted by glyphrunner
There are multiple moderators on the GotMatrix site, in addition to the administrator, Greg.

I also have been a part of a thread that was deleted at one point. When I asked Greg on this, he went through the logs and found that there was a moderator that was performing deletions quite frequently. Since that time, the moderator has been warned.

If anything, this instance was probably at the hands of that particular moderator. Greg has reigned in things like this, and continues to let posts be made that educate about lawsuits, etc.

The only beef that I have with this particular site (MatrixWatch) is that you're automatically attacking something that you personally feel isn't right, but what of those people that don't necessarily care for your opinion? If it's not illegal, then why should you be trying to destroy people's actions in commerce? Are you also going after casinos and horseracing? People understand that they are taking a chance; let them.

Your post here is a little late. We have had that argument months ago. Casinos and horse racing are legal in most states because they are a regulated business. There are laws that state how much needs to be paid out. They are regulated so that scammers cannot easily enter the business. If matrix owners want to talk to lawmakers about making their business legal, then I say go for it. If these were regulated, then I would feel much better about the whole thing, but since they are NOT regulated, then they are ILLEGAL. Until there are regulations in place, or until they are accountable, or until they provide contact information so that customers can contact them, you cannot consider them in commerce.

[mikv]

People keep saying that it's not "illegal"....It IS illegal because of the matrix list....Although there is no law stating specifically that "Matrix" sites are illegal, the system that is used to calculate how the list moves IS illegal. That is why on a "case by case" basis thus far, every matrix site that is brought to the attention of ANY authority in these matters, it is deemed an illegal something or other be it Ponzi, Lottery, Pyramid what have you. The only reason why ALL matrix sites are not closed yet is because they all haven't been put under the "legal" microscope. But that is changing fast. You supporters are just hanging on the technicality that the word "matrix" does not appear in the law. Well that word doesn't appear but the LIST does....In just about every lawbook that covers schemes, you will see the worded definition as well as the "STRAIGHT LINE WORKING EXAMPLE". Which is what EVERY matrix site utilizes. So the wording is not clear but the EXAMPLE IS. So you matrix owners need to realize that just because the law doesn't state "matrix" in the wording, the working example that WILL be used in court will be the EXACT diagram of the system you use. So for all the matrix owners that can't read or understand legal terms, there will always be a "matrix for dummies PICTURE" to accompany the description.

[hurley9192]

also, it's very very tough to stop someone from starting a site on the internet. Right now, there are tons of new sites going up all the time and you can't target all of them. I'm sure there are lots of scam sites that people don't know about.

The way a bunch of these were found were through people advertising on ebay.