THE TRUTH OF APPLEMATRIX

[Lancer]

Thanks to the user concerned I have come here to get your help. I am probably the biggest customer Applematrix has. I have invested over $1,300. Anyway it has been over 6 weeks since I sent in all my paper work to recieve my refund from them. They said it would only take 5 days. After I have emailed them over 50 times and I have called several times I still have not recieved a refund and I have not recieved a word from them in over 2 weeks. Of all the calls I made to them I only talked to Prince 1 time. He promised me he would send the refund in the mail the next day. That was over 2 weeks ago and that was the last time I heard from them. I believe they have ran with my money. I have gained a lot of info on Prince like what his address is and 3 phone numbers where he should be available. None of these work. The phone number that I used when I talked to him the 1 time now blocks incoming calls. I really need help on finding out where he is and how to get my money back. I talked to someone on a matrix forum and he said he lives in New Orleans as does Prince and he is going to try and to see whats up. I really appreciate that. I really do think that they have closed up shop because Adrianna hasnt posted anything or have contacted anyone is weeks and I cant get a hold of Prince through my various ways. My name is no longer on their lists because they took me off because I decided to red pill. But I still have proof that I paid them over 1300 cause I still have my Gottapay acknowledgements saying I payed them and I have many saved emails from Prince and Adrianna. Can someone please help me to get to the bottom of this? If there is any other information you need just email me and I should get back quick. Thank you for your concern and I would like to thank "THE-DARK-SIDE" and "concerned" with helping me out.

[Agent|Star]

Wow this is serious.... I may be a person that supports Matrix sites, however I do not support site owners that mistreat the customers. You have absolute reason to be alarmed and possibly since Prince or Adriane isn't taking their business seriously its time to call in the higher authorities... You have obviously tried to work with them in private...

[concerned]

Welcome to this forum.

I am not 100% sure of what I am about to say, but I'm sure watchdog will be in here to clear anything up that I mess up.

I don't think Gottapay is currently being sued by anyone. All that means though, is that you can be the first. Also, on the front page, you can contact Watchdog's attorney. He may be interested in your case. I don't know if he can sue for you, since you don't live in California, but if he can't he might be able to find you someone that can help you. As far as the fee, that attorney is suing for his fees on top of the refunds. I don't think watchdog has had to put up anything, but again, I ask him to clarify that for me as well.

Good Luck.

[Lancer]

exactly, thats why I havent gone out in the forums and bad mouthed applematrix until now. I hoped to stay on normal terms with them and tried to work it out between ourselves but they screwed me over and now I have to do whatever is neccesary to bring them down and get my money back. And Adrianna if you ever read this, as of right now consider me one of those people ,who you have so much bad mouthed, who are out to get you and put you out of business.

[Lancer]

my last post was meant for big starrs comment. As for concern's comment, I dont wish to sue gottapay because this is not thier fault. Also I dont want Gottapay to do what Paypal did by not doing business with matrix sites. If that happened I think the matrix community could be permanitly crippled. Applematrix is the ones I want to go after. Prince and Adrianna should be the ones that pay, not Gottapay.

[Lancer]

Also I would like to know if anyone else is dealing with this same problem. I know one person recieved a refund but it was because it was for $15. Adrianna takes care of refunds under 60 and prince takes care of the ones over 60. I only know one person though that actually got something back.

[Agent|Star]

I would agree going for AppleMatrix is more appropriate, that is just my opinion thou. What is more interesting however is gottapay owns a matrix site which really discredits their business entirly... I doubt they would assist you in a refund like PayPal does, especially since you were so patient that over 2 months have passed...

Don't let it sit any longer, thats what happens in most cases when you finally go after them they are harder to find and so forth... Make some contacts (lawyers, higher authorities) asap.

[Lancer]

Actually the owner of gottapay has like 3 matrix sites and im on one of them. but thats a different story for a different day.

[Agent|Star]

Originally posted by Lancer
Actually the owner of gottapay has like 3 matrix sites and im on one of them. but thats a different story for a different day.

Oh myyyy.......

[concerned]

Lancer, you may want to file a report with the Attorney General in Louisiana.

Here is the link to the site.
http://www.ag.state.la.us/

Here is the link directly to the complaint form.
http://www.ag.state.la.us/forms/Form100-Complaint2.asp

[Lancer]

First I want to see if there is anyway to contact them that I have not used.

[concerned]

Sigx97 posted that he just got an email from Prince today. Here is the link to that thread at matrixagency.

http://www.matrixagency.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=122

I see that he is in here, so I hope he can respond.

[concerned]

Originally posted by Lancer
my last post was meant for big starrs comment. As for concern's comment, I dont wish to sue gottapay because this is not thier fault. Also I dont want Gottapay to do what Paypal did by not doing business with matrix sites. If that happened I think the matrix community could be permanitly crippled. Applematrix is the ones I want to go after. Prince and Adrianna should be the ones that pay, not Gottapay.

So, you want the matrix community to continue? You don't want it to cripple? I don't quite understand this. You lost $1300 with one site, and you still haven't learned your lesson? Do you realize why you lost that money? There were people in front of you that your $1300 helped cycle, and then there wasn't anyone behind you to help you. Then you say you are on other matrix sites. Now, you want Adrianna to refund you so that you can go to another site? Let me ask you this, is it OK for you to cycle, and others to get scammed out of their money? I feel like you think it is OK to participate as long as YOU aren't the one that gets scammed. I'm not trying to be mean to you, but it isn't Adrianna that completely caused this situation. It is the MATRIX MODEL itself that caused you to lose your money. If you are in it to win something, I'm affraid every site you participate in will have someone like you at the end of the line looking for answers. I want to help you, but I cannot help, if you are just going to go and support another site, so that someone else will have to come in here and ask for help also. You need to learn your lesson, and stop investing in these sites. If you continue, then chances are it will happen to you again. Those chances are about 99 out of 100.

[Lancer]

Yes I am perfectly aware of this and right now Im not investing anymore. I understand my money went to someone else and eventually all lines will grow stagnant and most people will be screwed out of their money. I pretty much accept that fact for gotmatrix because I have many spots on that site. But the principal of the case is Applematrix guranteed a refund and thats why I signed up. Because they didnt back their gurantee is the reason im complaining. If they didnt offer a refund I would have never invested into this site. I am currently talking to a person right now via aim, he is thinking of starting a matrix site. I now see how bad these really are and Im trying to talk him out of it. He is pretty thick headed and doesnt realize the longterm outcome. All he sees is him getting a lot of money fast. He doesnt see that down the road the line will go stagnant and people are going to want a refund and it will be for more money than he has. He will have to make a choice whether to use his own money that didnt come from the site and pay the refunds or run with the money like most people do. But thats a different topic for a different day. Applematrix guranteed a refund and thats why I signed up. Because they didnt follow on their duties and because they lied to me and ****ed me around is what makes me really upset. That is why they need to pay. It is because of them that the lines grew stagnant as fast as it did. Because of their bad practices like spamming and bad mouthing people is what ruined their site. But I do agree matrix sites are more bad than good because only a few out of the many actually profit from them in the long run. But applematrix still must pay.

[Lancer]

Also about the comment I made about not ruining the community. Many people like matrix sites and like the matrix community even though many people will get burned, but I shouldnt be the one to ruin it for those other people who still want to participate. Yes it is wrong but it is their choice. I am just one of the many victims of it thats trying to fight for justice with a certain site.

[concerned]

OK, thanks for that reply. For a second there, I thought you were just going to move on. Sorry for being a little abrasive. First of all, tell the guy you are talking to via aim to come see what is happening with ebanana. They are going to get sued by Ginix for about $42,000.

Anyway, back to this thread. There are a lot of sites out there that are guaranteeing a lot of things. You are right, you agreed to sign up, and they agreed to refund, if you wanted to. I know you must be supper mad. I know I would be. Now we can put this behind us, and continue to get your money back, as well as other people that are being scammed by applematrix.

Here is a suggestion. Send them an email with a return verification. Sometimes you can do that. You will get an email back saying that the person has read your email. I have done this before, but it has been a looooooong time ago, and don't remember how it works. Look into it.

[Lancer]

I will, thanks. As you posted someone has made contact with Prince lately. Sigx97 and I are talking to eachother switching some info that we got on him. Apparently Sigx97 has confirmation for the mail saying it was sent. If this is the case, this makes me even more mad because 1. Prince has not made contact with me even though he has with others 2. He is refusing to send me my refund and 3. Because people have asked for refunds after me are recieving them. I really want to get back at Prince.

[MatrixWatch]

Lancer,
Don't worry about the lawsuits right now. Your first order of business is to report these guys to the Attorney General and District Attorney in their home state of Louisianna at once. The longer you wait, the worse your chances of getting your money. I mean, it may already be too late, so you need to act fast. Get on the phone and start talking to the FBI too. You need to make every authority aware about this because I personally believe that "Mr. Prince" is a scam artist who may have a record. You may be helping them get someone here.

Get all of the contact info that you have on them and then write up your story of how it all happened. You can then send it to all of those agencies. This way you won't have to worry about typing up separate letters.

Remember, time is running out. If you would like to ask, I'm sure that some of our fellow members would take delight in reporting these scammers as well.

[Lancer]

I submitted a complaint to the attorney general of louisanna. What else should I do?

[hurley9192]

contact the FBI and IRS...usually the IRS is quicker to respond because they see a need to get more money out of it.

[Lancer]

anyone know the link where a could submit a complaint

[peterdragin]

Here is a link to an A to Z list of all govt agenceys.


http://www.firstgov.gov/Agencies/Federal/All_Agencies/index.shtml

[Lancer]

Sigx97 and I tried going to the pay proccessors we used to buy spots from Applematrix to see if we could get refunds. He used Paypal and I used Gottapay. Paypal told him over the phone they couldnt refund his money cause it was past 30 days. Gottapay got back to me saying that Applematrix doesnt have any money in their account. So which accounts are they talking about that were frozen? Also why did they even have money sitting around in their accounts? The money should have been already sent to customers. Adrianna said they spent this whole last month refunding people who havent cycled. How many and which customers have they refunded? She still hasnt answered me why they havent refunded me already. I feel like we are being fed lie after lie.

[Lancer]

Also as of right now I know of me and sigx97 plus 2 other customers that have not recieved refunds. One person has been waiting 4 - 6 weeks for their refund. I asked him to come here and post his situation so we will see what he has to say. Im getting the impression that Applematrix really hasnt refunded too many people. And the people they did refund were for very small amounts.

[Lancer]

Good new, I hope, I finally got Adrianna and Prince to talk to me on a regular basis. Prince said that he was sorry that I didnt recieve a refund yet and that he will move me up to the top of the line behind 1 person. This is good news for me, or it may be another lie. He still hasnt answered me why he never sent the refund 7 weeks ago. But this is a step in the right direction. Also I have been getting a lot of emails from people saying that they never recieved their refunds also and one is saying he will be sueing them. I will try to help everyone get their refunds while trying to get mine as well. Thanks MatrixWatch for all the help.

Here is a copy of the email


From Prince

I had a conversation with Adrianna about you today and she sent me a copy of your email.
I have spoken to a lot of people and I am sorry that you have not recieved your refund yet. I have found your ebook and looked up your records. You did not receive any money from us so I am moving you to the front of the line. There is only one person in front of you, who will get a refund of $600.
The delay we are currently having is because of the fact that our pay processors have been cancelled. I am personally in discussions with Paypal today about it. I will keep you informed and I am sorry about the delay.
----- Original Message -----
From: Lance Collett
To: adrianna
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: Refund


It was for $1305. I had 11 spots on the $25, 3 on the $50, 3 on the $250 and 1 one the $600. Total that comes to $1305. Thank you for your cooperation.

-Lance

----- Original Message -----
From: adrianna
To: Lance Collett
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: Refund


You were not purposely ignored. When my site kept getting shut down I spent most of the time doing damage control trying to find out why I was shut down and how I could get another site up. I am sorry if I seemed upset an I understand your situation. It is obvious you fell through the cracks some kind of way and I apologize for that.

I will be talking to Prince on Monday. I will see what he can do to get you your refund right away. He was the person I convinced to give me the money to start the site so he is very upset with all the drama. It's not what he signed up for. But the real issue is getting you your money. How much is it? I will talk to Prince monday and get it straight. I'm sorry. And I apologize.

Adrianna
----- Original Message -----
From: Lance Collett
To: adrianna
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: Refund


I never cycled at all. I was supposed to recieve my refund before anyone weeks ago. It is your own fault that is was frozen. Please ask Prince to call ***-***-****. You guys told me you would send the money. Why didnt you? The only reason I signed on your site is because you had a refund option. Because you stated people can take the red pill to get back their original investment. So you are required to return my money. You had a policy to give refunds out and I fit into the criteria for it and I filled out everything correctly. What makes me mad is you have given other people their refund before me when I was one of the first to used the red pill option. Why wasnt I mailed my refund when you said you would 7 weeks ago. I never cycled so I should have been at the top of the list to get my refund. Why do you guys have money in the accounts anyway? Shouldnt that money have gone to people's refund? I just want to know why didnt you send me my refund weeks ago and why did you guys ignore me for so long?
----- Original Message -----
From: adrianna
To: Lance Collett
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: Refund


Listen. No one is required to return your money in a Matrix site. I am returning money because it is the FAIR thing to do. DO NOT THREATEN ME. I do not deserve it. IT IS BECAUSE OF YOU THAT I CAN'T RETURN EVERYONE THEIR MONEY. I DO NOT CARE WHO YOU GO TO. WE HVE DONE EVERYTHING LEGALLY FROM THE BEGINNING.
Did you receive any money from our matrix? If so you were put to the end of the line. Please tell me another Matrix where you get money back? I suggest you just be patient.

Adrianna
----- Original Message -----
From: Lance Collett
To: adrianna
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: Refund


NO. You guys said you would send it 7 weeks ago. Because of what happened recently shouldnt affect what you should have done 7 weeks ago. Why didnt you send it then before it was frozen? Were you waiting for something? If you had the money in an account you should have already sent me my money. You need to send me my money ASAP. I dont care if you accounts are frozen. Thats your fault for not sending refunds out. You should of sent me my refund first. Prince promised me it would be in the mail 7 weeks ago. What gives? I want my money back or im going to take this even farther. Its not my fault that your accounts are frozen. You should have sent the money a long time ago.
----- Original Message -----
From: adrianna
To: Lance Collett
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: Refund


Because of people complaining on Matrixwatch all of our pay proccessors have closed our accounts. Unless your money was already mailed you will have to wait 180 days.
----- Original Message -----
From: Lance Collett
To: adrianna
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: Refund


Where is my refund? If you guys actually send me my refund I would stop bashing you on the internet. Here is proof that I sent you an email. Lets see if you keep your word and respond to me.
----- Original Message -----
From: adrianna
To: Lance Collett
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: Refund


Any refund over $60 is handled by Prince Campbell. Prince@dayscar.com is his email address.
----- Original Message -----
From: Lance Collett
To: cf@dayscar.com
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 5:28 PM
Subject: Refund


Hey, Its been awhile since I sent the ebook in to get my refund. I have also been talking to mastermcfarland@hotmail.com
and he has recieved his refund via gottapay instantly. I used the red pill option before him so I think I should have been refunded before him. I would like to be refunded via gottapay to my account just like he did. Also, my name has already been taken off the lists. Please send the refund to my gottapay account which is Lancers777@sbcglobal.net.

[hurley9192]

well, considering they've lied the whole time, I wouldn't hold your breath. If their money was frozen, then what happended to the money you paid in?

I though prince wasn't involved according to Adrianna awhile ago. Typical scam artist.

If Sigx is looking for a refund, then this site must be a bad site. I'd get out ASAP.

[MatrixWatch]

Just keep pressing them Lance. Also, do all you can through PayPal. If worse comes to worse, PayPal is currently being sued for their facilitation of every matrix site in the U.S. Restitution will be paid to the victims nationwide.

Tell Adrianna that if she really did everything "legally" then she would not have been frozen, no matter how many complaints her site received. She still hasn't responded to the whole "Shelby" issue either.

[Lancer]

As I posted before I didnt use Paypal to pay for the spots. I used Gottapay. I already talked to Gottapay about them and Jeff(Gottapay) said that Prince doesnt have any money in their account. Sigx97 paid through Paypal. He called them to see what he could do but they would give him his money cause he waited more than 30 days.

[MatrixWatch]

Ok.. Sorry I misunderstood you about PayPal. Let me take care of the situation with GottaPay.

[Lancer]

Like what?

[mojomover]

hi guys
i want to clarify a couple of things. did lance mean that sigx97 called paypal and they returned the money?is that what u meant?
also lance wud it possible for u to e-mail a copy of the e-book for the $1000 matrix..:-s it wud be really helpful if u cud do so.

thanks

[Lancer]

sigx97 could not get a refund because it was past 30 days since he sent them money. I have their ebooks saved, send me your email address through a PM so I can send you the file.

-Lancer

[sigx97]

Yes-
I called paypal and spoke to a manager. Actually I ended up speaking to 3 people. (No it was not concerned, sampson or bmiller). Anyway, They said they would not even tell me if there were funds in the account and they would not be issuing a refund to me.

[Lancer]

sigx97 did you get the refund today from Applematrix. If not what do you plan to do?