Demand Apology from Greg to Watchdog

[concerned]

I think that this was one of the most popular threads on Matrix Watch. It had 1200 views.

http://www.matrixwatch.org/forums/showthread.php?threadid=541&perpage=10&pagenumber=1

Greg started it because he was trying to tell everyone that Watchdog was spreading lies. He was trying to get Watchdog to take the announcement about PlugNPay dropping Gotmatrix as a merchant. The reason Greg didn't want this TRUTH to be known is because he doesn't want to lose customers. His matrix lists are so long, it will take decades to cycle. There is one list that has over 3000 people waiting to cycle. Well, Greg continued to battle the anti-matrix people here, and tried to tell everyone that Watchdog posted lies. Then, we find this post over at Gotmatrix Forum in response to a customer asking about using a credit card.

Here is the dialog between bmiller and Greg.


From bmiler
The real reason i am here, is i tried earlier to pay with credit card. i noticed that it says you take credit cards, but nowhere for me to enter the number. te only reason i came here was because someone said you had your own merchant account, and could process cards. i don't like to use pay processors because i don't trust them. they can be made by any kid in the world. i also noticed that in your announcements you state that there was an audit going on. is that over yet? can you let me know when i can run my card? i won't do business with anyone that uses those pay processors.

thank you

From Greg
Currently our credit card processor is offline. We're tryiing to resolve this issue in a timely manner. We're hoping to have it back online by friday. More information on the situation can be found in the Announcements forum.


From bmiler
well, it is friday evening, and still no cc option. i guess you haven't gotten it up yet. i'll wait till monday night. if not, i'll go somewhere else. can anyone else tell me where i can go to a matrix site that takes credit cards? not one of those processors like paypal or xcompete or solar pay, but like gotmatrix used to have. i don't trust those kind of processors, because anyone can start them. they aren't backed by any good banks, and they are not fdic.



From Greg
Unfortunately they never returned my calls, very unprofessional. However I may just switch merchant banks since they apparently don't want my business since an audit wouldn't take this long. Merchant bank shouldn't take more than 48 hours to setup.


I think it is time that Greg eats some humble pie. I think it is time that GREG makes an apology. In fact I demand that you give Watchdog an apology. That is what you were demanding of him last week.

I would like anyone else that feels like Watchdog was wrongfully accused by Greg to also go out to the forums and DEMAND AN APOLOGY!!!!!!

MAY WATCHDOG'S WORDS NEVER BE DOUBTED AGAIN!!!!!

[Agent|Star]

I dont think anything was wrong with GotMatrix asking for an apology. Obviously, when you check the replies made by WatchDog that day he did infact realize his wrong doings so you know WatchDogs post wasn't 100% accurate yet it made frontpage =o\

We all know WatchDog wouldnt have appologized unless he felt it was necessary.. and on that day WatchDog did appologize... I hate to say it but sometimes WatchDog reacts on impulse and has made some mistakes (we all have).... Everyone needs to use their heads more and be able to realize when posts are made of facts, opinions, half-truths....

[Bulldog]

With all due respect, why don't we not worry about petty things such as apologies right now? There are more inmportant things happening and more scams that we need to stop. Is an apology really going to do anything to assist in the purpose of this site? Let's get back to shutting down matrix scams...er...I mean sites!

PS - No offence intended!

[Agent|Star]

Originally posted by Bulldog
With all due respect, why don't we not worry about petty things such as apologies right now? There are more inmportant things happening and more scams that we need to stop. Is an apology really going to do anything to assist in the purpose of this site? Let's get back to shutting down matrix scams...er...I mean sites!

PS - No offence intended!


Exactly! heheh... I'm with Bulldog.. Whats the point of this? Its not necessary............

[sigx97]

Originally posted by concerned

MAY WATCHDOG'S WORDS NEVER BE DOUBTED AGAIN!!!!!

Not trying to hijack, butI was accused of being 3 different people by those words.

[hurley9192]

sigx...it was only because things were pretty suspicious.

Also, what watchdog said was totally true...it just had to take 30-60 days to be official.

That's fine...Greg got a few extra weeks to keep his scam going. How does this affect his standing with matrixagency since his site is being deemed unacceptable by the pay processors?

Crow doesn't taste so good now, eh?

[Agent|Star]

Originally posted by hurley9192
sigx...it was only because things were pretty suspicious.


Thats no excuse for mistaking a suspicion for fact.... Too many times just because of similarities people think they have solid proof... Thats not solid proof at all its just assumptions...

Opinions and assumptions theres a lot of that on this forum that gets mistaken by viewers as being facts... The posters themselves seem to think its facts...

[sigx97]

=)

[hurley9192]

I wasn't actually referring to you eating crow Sigx.

[concerned]

Originally posted by BigStarr
I dont think anything was wrong with GotMatrix asking for an apology. Obviously, when you check the replies made by WatchDog that day he did infact realize his wrong doings so you know WatchDogs post wasn't 100% accurate yet it made frontpage =o\

We all know WatchDog wouldnt have appologized unless he felt it was necessary.. and on that day WatchDog did appologize... I hate to say it but sometimes WatchDog reacts on impulse and has made some mistakes (we all have).... Everyone needs to use their heads more and be able to realize when posts are made of facts, opinions, half-truths....

Watchdog only made those replies because it was apparent that Greg was telling lies, and Watchdog wanted to let Greg hang himself. What Watchdog posted was 100% correct. It is proven by the fact that Greg stated on his own forum that PlugNPay did not want to do business with him. We also know that on his forum, he told customers that PlugNPay was conducting an audit, but he came into this forum, and said it wasn't PlugNPay, but rather someone else that was doing the audit. Finally, on the post that I copied above, he also stated that it was aparent that there NEVER was an audit.

Greg made a fool of himself. He knew what the truth was, but yet he lied in order to keep the scam going. All I am asking is that for the first time in matrix site history that a site owner actually tells the truth for once.

Bulldog, I feel an apology is completely needed, because it will show the truth behind the motives of Greg, and other matrix owners. He only demanded the apology because he wanted to continue a scam. I am demanding an apology, because I think the truth needs to be clarified.

[Agent|Star]

lol concerned.........

I have never seen WatchDog apologize before... He apologized TWICE! Obviously he knew he did something wrong... Let it go!

[concerned]

Originally posted by BigStarr
lol concerned.........

I have never seen WatchDog apologize before... He apologized TWICE! Obviously he knew he did something wrong... Let it go!

Let what go? The fact that Greg is COMPLETELY lying to his customers? I don't think so.

[tootiredtosleep]

Concerned...you need to relax! You are beginning to get out of line. I think you are making alot more of this than it is and I now see what these people mean by you twisting words which you have done clearly done here. You look at a post then read into it far too much. he said this, he said that. When in actuality it's only your interpretation. If gotmatrix goes down so be it. I'm sure they will all have their day but until then take a seat!

[concerned]

Originally posted by tootiredtosleep
Concerned...you need to relax! You are beginning to get out of line. I think you are making alot more of this than it is and I now see what these people mean by you twisting words which you have done clearly done here. You look at a post then read into it far too much. he said this, he said that. When in actuality it's only your interpretation. If gotmatrix goes down so be it. I'm sure they will all have their day but until then take a seat!

Well, maybe you should tell me how you read it? I am not twisting any words. He said that his processor will not answer his calls, and that they no longer want to do business with him. Didn't you see that?

Greg made a HUGE deal about this the day that Watchdog posted this on the home page, yet you didn't see anyone telling Greg to relax. Watchdog told the truth, and Greg told a lie, yet you tell me to relax. Then to cover up the truth, Greg has told more lies, and every time he gets caught in a lie, he tells another. I'm not the one twisting Greg's words. Greg is doing a darn good job of TWISTING HIS OWN WORDS!!!!!!!!

[Agent|Star]

Again, WatchDog wouldnt have apologized unless he realized he was wrong... Also PlugNPlay didnt drop GotMatrix so what is going on? burp..... :D

[concerned]

Originally posted by BigStarr
Again, WatchDog wouldnt have apologized unless he realized he was wrong... Also PlugNPlay didnt drop GotMatrix so what is going on? burp..... :D

Well, tell me this. If PlugNPay DIDN'T drop GotMatrix, why isn't it working? SOMEBODY dropped GotMatrix. Who dropped you Greg?

[Agent|Star]

Did you read his reply to that statement?
He did answer that... Again lol this is fun.. We all know WatchDog wouldnt have aplogized unless he felt what he was saying sorry for was necessary...

I quote WatchDog:
"GotMatrix,
I deeply apologize for posting any misleading info."


I think you shouldn't even have brought up this subject heheh... Failed attempt to slander a site =o\ Move on theres more important things going on in matrix world, Sampson :D

[MatrixWatch]

Greg asserted that what I announced was false. He was all upset and he was claiming that he would sue if I didn't take it down by a certain time. At that moment I thought, "Is this really worth it?". "Is it really worth getting this guy all upset, just to announce what I know to be true?". So, I apologized to Greg for anything that was false in the statement. I just figured that if I was right, then time would tell. Of course, sigx and a few of the others were claiming how big of a victory this whole scenario was for the matrix supporters, and Greg was glowing in his victory.

All of that attitude stuff from the matrix side didn't help things for them though. And Greg's cover up is not going to be ignored, no matter who says we have "more important things" to worry about. The way I see it, Greg called me on something that I ended up being right about, and now he won't admit it. Well, we will keep pushing that site around until he does.

I never apologized for anything specifically, as I recall. I apologized for anything that was false in the announcement. It turns out that I was not wrong about PlugNPay... That part of the announcement was not false. What I was wrong about was the reason for the complaint to the Attorney General. There was a complaint filed, but the reason was for something other than what I announced. That is what I apologized for.

[Agent|Star]

Oh WatchDog please stop... Attempting to take back the apology because your pup (yes just one puppy) is causing comotion over it? I have never seen you apologize in my life! you did so that day (TWICE) so we both know that you wasn't 100% sure on what you were stating that day and Greg called you on it. BOTTOMLINE! Nothings wrong with that... In fact, its better that you did apologize since it was necessary.

[MatrixWatch]

Starr,
You don't know what is happening behind the scenes, and therefore you don't know what you are talking about now. You can believe whatever you want to believe, but I have already addressed the issue in my last post.

[Agent|Star]

Well I am open-minded... I listen to all sides... I believe what facts infront of me presents... Thanks for allowing me to share the many things I see.

[peterdragin]

Well how come solarpay is the new C.C. Processor???

What happened to PlugNPay !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe they DROPPED Greg !!

[MaxPower]

Dropped them like a bad habit:D

[Got Matrix]

Any of you that don't believe me that they didn't drop me then give me your card info and i'll process your card, this is rediculous! What reason do I have to lie? NONE! Just drop this because it's insane to drag out.

[mikv]

Did I miss something?? Did Gotmatrix not take out the PlugNPlay option to purchase on their site?? If you are able to PROCESS a card if someone gives you their cc info RIGHT NOW; then WHY take out the PlugNPay option to pay?

[Got Matrix]

Simply because why process a card if the funds are going to get temporarily held during the audit? Does that make sense? I didn't think so. With the matrix system you need the funds immediately, so I temporarily removed the option.

[mikv]

I hadn't realized you were still undergoing an audit....my bad. Thanks for replying.

[Got Matrix]

The final proof that they didn't drop me, if this doesn't make you believe me then nothing will. This is a screenshot of my status with PlugNPay. As I said several times we're undergoing an audit, we have not been dropped & I could still process your card need be.

[MatrixWatch]

Please place the PlugNPay payment option back on your website.

[sigx97]

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[MatrixWatch]

Sigx,
If he does not provide the PlugNPay option, then we cannot verify whether or not he is telling the truth. I was given verified information that Greg's account was going through a cancellation, and within 48 hours he claimed that we were lying and that is was just an audit. Well, if it is just an audit then let's see the option return to its "pre-audit" position on his site. Otherwise, I will just conclude that the whole audit story was a cover for the truth. You guys can make up whatever stories you want, but the customers of Got Matrix have the right to know the truth.

The matrix supporters are beginning to respond to the latest issues out of a "wounded pride" and I do not believe it is healthy to your cause. You are only hurting the customers in the end, and when they realize what you have covered up, they will support whatever cause necessary to bring the matrix sites down. Every day there are more members joining Matrix Watch, and they are taking matters into their own hands. Rightly so, it is their money.

[Agent|Star]

Originally posted by watchdog
Please place the PlugNPay payment option back on your website.


What is the purpose of this? He doesn't have to do anything for you. You gonna start helping him promot his site or something? Is that why you want the processor back on.

This man is giving you honest answers and you dont like it. He gave you a screenshot for proof. He gave you valid reasons why he isn't using it. Wow, how about accepting the fact that you are WRONG! and moving onto something more productive. Maybe even a third appology would be great lol...