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[MatrixWatch]

Members,
There are so many EzExpo customers asking questions that are not being answered on Ez's forums. I would like to provide an opportunity for those questions to be asked here. I hope that we will be able to put our heads together and answer these questions for them. If you don't know what I mean, then please go to: groups.msn.com/matrixforum, and groups.msn.com/EzExpo. Ask the people there to come here if they are not getting the straight responses they need.

Visitors,
Please sign up for membership and feel free to post the questions that you would like concrete answers for. The information you will need to give for registration will be kept confidential.


Ask away!

[Shelby]

Yes this is the exact tactic when Timmothy Schultz posted on the same forums pretending to be a good customer....all part of his tasteless tactics to get an inside on the operations of Matrices and the way they conduct business.
Since we will no longer fall for his tactics, I am sure he will come up with his own answers for YOU! BUT BEWARE, he believes they are illegal lotteries....Tells you he doesn't know what he is really talking about....

[MatrixWatch]

One of the recent questions that has come up is the new Ginix-processor FREEZE issue. The question is, "Why did Ginix freeze EzExpo's account and not the accounts of other matrix sites? The answer, because EzExpo has been sued for illegal business practices. It is the lawsuit that froze their account. So, what is the alternative for Ez? Well, they can choose one of two human reactions: Fight or Flight. I suspect that they will choose the latter option, and try to flee the country. In fact, I more than suspect it. However, how will it look in court when the defendant can't make it because he has fled the country to avoid the suit. Plus, operating from outside the U.S. puts everyone at risk, since there is less legal protection out there. People will not have any rights over their money, and the foreign pay companies can close accounts at their own discretion, without any legal obligation not to. It not only puts customers at risk, but matrix-site owners as well.

[xtroublex]

I am a matrix site owner. Good or bad, that's the deal. My question is, If I were to say, sell a car like an old beat up Ford and price it at $99,000 and someone buys it, is THAT illegal?

Part of what your saying is because the products being sold are not worth the money being paid, that makes a legal case?

Isn't that FREE ENTERPRIZE? Buy low, sell high?

The person purchasing the product has the ultimate responsibility to judge for themselves what's worth it to them. Right?

[Arzel]

Our country's economy does have it's roots in free enterprize, but that does not mean you can do anything you want. And many of our laws regarding trade are designed to protect the consumer.

In your example of the car, you can sell it for whatever you want, and if someone wants to pay you $99,000 for a car you believe worth $900 they can certainly do that, but the matrix system is a different situation.

The basic rule is would a reasonable person buy the item for the said price regardless of any other possible gift? It is quite obvious that 95% or more people would not buy those ebooks if they were not interested in the prize. The seller is now selling a spot in a matrix and throwing in an ebook to try and make it legal. The selling of a matrix spot is illegal and considered a Ponzi scheme. And by definition of California Penal Code is also considered a lottery.

The time to get out is now, arguing semantics is only wasting valuable time for those people stuck in a matrix.

Back to your car situation. The buyer in that scenario either realized a value in the car that you did not, or is an unreasonable person.

[dbright]

Well said Azrel.......that was what i said in another topic. If the ebook (or any product) is worthless then by definition it is a ponzi scheme. As a point to the matrix owner, if you are selling an ebook for $150 with a "free" entry into the matrix, but the "ebook" is in the public domain for free or in a lot of cases on ebay for $0.99 (a lot of new sellers still try to sell this outdated garbage to boost feedback) then it is a ponzi sceme because NOBODY would pay $150 for an ebook without the matrix entry. You even see these things in spam mail for $9.95 or less...a far cry from several hundred dollars. Go to the FTC.gov site and read the articles on ponzi/pyramid schemes...quite a few of them make that very same statement.....severely overpriced products are used to try and hide the ponzi scheme. Every one of these matrix sites is eventually going to collapse under their own weight...it has to.....they will eventually run out of customers and sooner than they think. Who in their right mind would sign up knowing that you "only" need 1,500,000 people to sign up after you to get your free gift. I'll say it again...I can't believe the FTC hasn't been notified enough times about this to shut all the sites down. Maybe that's all it would really take..several hundred complaints to the FTC directly.

[xtroublex]

I truley am not trying to be unreasonable, I'm just trying to understand.

Who judges the value of the ebook?

There are ebooks etc out on the web free, I agree with this. The ebooks (I acually offer full video seminars) that are not readily available for free are being sold at many different prices on the web.

So just like in the car example, if the person truley wants the product, just because they can buy it cheaper somewhere else, does not make it illegal.

What your actually doing might possibly be this...

Since the lawsuit has been filed, people who actually found value in the product as well as the matrix, might now think that there is MORE value in the lawsuit so are now trying to get refunded for the purchase they made.

So once again I guess my question is, who judges the value?

[MatrixWatch]

xtroublex,
I believe that the two previous posts addressed your question, but I think that you are seeing something deeper here. What you have touched upon here is the wisdom of the lawsuit. Although the issue of inflated e-book prices is mentioned in the document, it is not the grounds of the suit. The reason for this is because the very question that you asked would be raised. As my attorney, Jeffrey Wilens, mentioned in the MSNBC article the lottery angle is a "more straightforward case". Whether or not the e-books have any value is not a question in my case. The fact that lawsuit seeks to bring up about matrix lists is that they cannot be operated legally and still make money. The site owners would have to permit ANYONE to participate in the matrix WITHOUT actually having to buy anything. That is how all those contests you see on TV really work. If you don't want to buy the product, you can still send in a postcard to be included in the lottery. The matrix sites, on the other hand, REQUIRE you to buy the e-books to get the spot in their matrix. What is that called? The lawsuit calls it an illegal lottery.

[Shelby]

Well I can see even though you lead a horse to water, you can't make him think...as is the case with watch Timmy dog.
We are not leaving the country as we are not an illegal lottery, no matter how many times timmy says out loud it still isn't so.

Now on the court deal, we aren't worried, anyone who has read the lawsuit can see it was written by the lawyers potty mouth child. i.e. grammar, choice of sentence structure, bad choice of descriptive phrases which do lead one down the path of the way he thinks. To bad for him it's incorrect. Anyone dumbass in America can sue anyone else, this is a prime example. For any reason also, still doesn't make it true.

Yes Ginix frooze our account because timmy filed suit, this along with what his lawyer stated publicly, along with this forum are what is gonna hurt Timmy. Now when we sue them, it won't be for the money because we doubt they have any. But they will still look like the idiots they are.

[peterdragin]

xtroublex
Like the e books don't have a full reseller rights on them, this means you only buy them once and give the rest away for a free gift. So the E books are worth something !!

Like everybody has a CD burnner, or you can do like Ezexpo and just put them on the web and make the suckers download them.

Now call an E book worth something, ( you got to be kidding ) you must be smokin some real good stuff.

Shelby Ya got a good TAX lawyer , the IRS WILL be calling you.

Da Killer

[BobbyJacobs]

Shelby,
You are beginning to sound like you're over the top. Ranting and raving like a schoolboy boasting he's the toughest on the playground, with Wiit and JJohnson standing behind you.
Everyone else has something to contribute - all you have is toddler-rhetoric of how you will be victorious.
You cannot be successful, as matrix's do collapse under their own weight as was said earlier here. The matrix model is suicidal at best. EZ has all but died. Nobody with a position over "10" on any list holds hopes of cycling. Hell, you can't even come up with the dough to cover those who have cycled already.

No other site owner has these problems, Shelby. Nobody.

Eventually you will be forced to kill the site and run with whatever money you can. What, 100 grand or so? Hoping to be a dot-com-aire but falling a little short?
Picking up a "cash cow" site from your friend then running it into the ground because you aren't capable of handling it.
Your ex-pard has gone off and started WinDVDs and his own matrix site. Take a look at it. Then take a look at your pathetic site that hasn't changed in six months.
Go get a real job, Shelby. They still need Wal-Mart greeters.

Bobby

[MatrixWatch]

Now, I understand that you two have a little argument that started on another forum and has ended up here. You guys have officially ushered in a PG-13 rating for our site. lol. I posted something a few days ago and I'd like you all to read it before taking this any further. I'm not going to ban you or anything like that, but this is just a suggestion.

Here is the link.

http://www.matrixwatch.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=200#post200

[damion]

BobbyJacobs:

I am unsure where you got the idea from, but I do not own or run any matrix sites. What was the deal about when you said I have one? WinDVDs is not a matrix site - it is a marketing site and has no cost to people for getting on the email lists to receive emails and free gifts.

There are no matrices involved with my WinDVDs.com site. People get on a list to receive email ads from advertisers and when I get that money from advertising in, I use a program I wrote to randomly pick an email address to send a free gift to.

Damion

[MatrixWatch]

There is a new question on the MSN "matrixforum" by one of their members. I figured I could answer it here and those of you who are members of that site can take this answer over there. I think they would like some answers from SOMEBODY over there. This is from the thread, "A little lawsuit info":


From: CantinaRec (Original Message) Sent: 6/10/2003 12:34 PM

I have a fairly prominant (and expensive) attorney I keep on retainer for my business and I ran this lawsuit thing by him this morning during a contract review. Of course he laughed and said "you've got to be kidding, is this a joke?" (referring to the legal docs). but here are a couple of little interesting tid bits he gave me:

Their suit is perpetrated on the lottery scheme however:

1. as defined by the CA code a "lottery" is (and I will make this very simple) where say 10 people pay for a chance at one prize awarded by chance or drawing. Since the matrix is that everyone will get a prize when the right amount of people join it is not a lottery.

2. prosecution of a "lottery" does not extend beyond CA (according to CA code). You can't be tried for instances outside of CA.

3. any monies that are recovered from lottery prosecution go to the state of CA! (also according to CA code) So if you joined the lawsuit to get your money back --- Thank you for the new freeway lane you're contributing too (there's too much traffic here).

On the downside the Ponzi (sp?) scheme could still be prosecuted unless EZ could prove that the lines are moving and people are receiving their gifts at the expected rate not that there are thousands of names on lists that are just sitting there (collapsing).

Anyway, just thought I'd share!

[MatrixWatch]

First of all, what kind of "prominent lawyer" would even approve of the matrix sites in the first place? Why didn't his lawyer advise his client (CantinaRec) not to participate? I would like to hear an answer directly from this attorney on this point.

Second, this lawyer is probably not a California lawyer and obviously is unfamiliar with Business and Professions Code section 17200. What kind of "successful" business who keeps a lawyer on retainer is going to participate in a matrix in the first place.

Third, he is right about the California limit as to EZ Expo, but keep in mind that this suit is not only against EzExpo. It is also against paycompanies who may have nationwide liabilty. Besides if EZ Expo is banned as to California consumers that would essentially shut them down anyway or force them to block California addresses (as well as make do with no payment processer). It would also open the door to other state lawsuits as well.

[Shelby]

Well, as usual that is incorrect on most all the points, except you are going to be the one sued and loosing.....

[MatrixWatch]

If anyone has any further questions about the above lawsuit issues, feel free to email the attorney of the case, Jeffrey Wilens: Wilens@cox.net. Also, I asked CantinRec to have his lawyer answer my question. I am looking forward to hearing from him.

[MatrixWatch]

I do see that there has been a response posted at EzExpo's Matrixforum at MSN. Here is the link to that forum. They are still scared to put a link to matrixwatch.org on their forum, lest we win more converts. I guess that we are "dangerous" or something. Did you know there are still EzExpo customers out there who don't know about this class-action lawsuit yet? Let's continue to spread the word.


http://groups.msn.com/matrixforum/general.msnw?action=get_message&mview=0&ID_Message=6835&LastModified=4675425726434518824

[MatrixWatch]

CantinaRec,
I'm waiting on that lawyer's email address..

[MatrixWatch]

Still awaiting the contact info for this "prominent lawyer".