The Questions Shelby won't answer

[BobbyJacobs]

All,
Recently I started a thread in the MatrixForum inquiring about someone cycling on a list at EZ. What I also came up with was a question about the mystery of names suddenly coming off the list about the time someone cycled. The names & positions have been an issue with EZ-EXPO since I started coming here in January. Nobody at EZ will give any kind of explanation - surprise, huh!
Anyway, this is an issue Shelby has refused to address and each time I start a thread about it, one of the forum's EZ-cheerleader admins deletes it.
I would very much appreciate everyone's time if they could read the attached text file, which contains the entire thread.
Judge it as you will.
Here's the post that started it all to give you an idea. The rest of the thread is in the attached text file.


Title: "50 Plasma crawls forward...

From: BobbyJacobs Sent: 6/3/2003 5:58 PM

Thanks for explaining that, Fug. The autocycle on Devon didn't show up.

Shelby: I think that if the site owners are going to take the names off for anything (lawsuit,bad email,whatever) they should not DELETE the position, but put in a blurb like "Removed at Request" or something like that in place of the name. I mean, EZ still has the money, so technically that would still count as a "helper", right? It's not any name that holds the position, it's the money.

Exam: 4 names have successfully cycled. (I'm just tossing out numbers here) There's 250 on the list. "Mr. Removed" has reached cycle point. The 250th name triggered his cycle. Names 201-250 are his helpers. "Mr. Good Name" next in line needs #'s 251-300 to cycle. Skip Mr. Removed. Then #'s 201-250 become Mr. Good Name's helpers instead. Cycle him now. Then don't count Mr. Removed as a cycler at all. You could then say "5 names have successfully cycled" and the numbers will match up, and the guy who started out in 3rd place thru all this is up to be cycled with #'s 251-300 being his helpers. EZ doesn't lose money, and the rest of us move up a couple spots immediately.

Deleteing the position altogether does nothing more than generate mistrust (Was it a real name to begin with? Where's the money?) and rip-off the guy waiting to cycle when the money is really still there, and on a list where every position counts.

Doesn't that make sense? Otherwise the rest of us get penalized by losing the current cyclers helpers.

And also at the current join rate (I know you don't wanna hear this, Shelby, sorry), 12 names (the missing ones) joining this list takes almost a month to make up. Betty should've been long gone. She's already had to wait for 76 names to come in to get where she is so far because of positions deleted, and still has 4 more to go. She won't cycle on 50 then, really, She cycles at 80 names because the list shrunk below the helpers starting point for her.

I'd like to know what you think of that, does it make sense or did I forget about something.

Bobby"

Well, what do you think?


Bobby
BobJacobs89@hotmail.com
Here's the post that started it all to give you an idea:

[MatrixWatch]

There was a download problem with the attachment that Bobby Jacobs included with this file. I went into the control and moved the "rant" file to the below post. I would like to thank those of you who waited while this was being done.

[MatrixWatch]

From Thread: “50 Plasma crawls forward...” http://groups.msn.com/matrixforum


From: BobbyJacobs Sent: 6/3/2003 5:58 PM

Thanks for explaining that, Fug. The autocycle on Devon didn't show up.

Shelby: I think that if the site owners are going to take the names off for anything (lawsuit,bad email,whatever) they should not DELETE the position, but put in a blurb like "Removed at Request" or something like that in place of the name. I mean, EZ still has the money, so technically that would still count as a "helper", right? It's not any name that holds the position, it's the money.

Exam: 4 names have successfully cycled. (I'm just tossing out numbers here) There's 250 on the list. "Mr. Removed" has reached cycle point. The 250th name triggered his cycle. Names 201-250 are his helpers. "Mr. Good Name" next in line needs #'s 251-300 to cycle. Skip Mr. Removed. Then #'s 201-250 become Mr. Good Name's helpers instead. Cycle him now. Then don't count Mr. Removed as a cycler at all. You could then say "5 names have successfully cycled" and the numbers will match up, and the guy who started out in 3rd place thru all this is up to be cycled with #'s 251-300 being his helpers. EZ doesn't lose money, and the rest of us move up a couple spots immediately.

Deleting the position altogether does nothing more than generate mistrust (Was it a real name to begin with? Where's the money?) and rip-off the guy waiting to cycle when the money is really still there, and on a list where every position counts.

Doesn't that make sense? Otherwise the rest of us get penalized by losing the current cycler’s helpers.

And also at the current join rate (I know you don't wanna hear this, Shelby, sorry), 12 names (the missing ones) joining this list takes almost a month to make up. Betty should've been long gone. She's already had to wait for 76 names to come in to get where she is so far because of positions deleted, and still has 4 more to go. She won't cycle on 50 then, really, She cycles at 80 names because the list shrunk below the helpers starting point for her.

I'd like to know what you think of that, does it make sense or did I forget about something.

Bobby


From: Shelby Sent: 6/3/2003 8:38 PM

Actually I wish you were correct, but after all is said and done we've "Processed over 1 million dollars and I've seen 52,000 and shipped it out. The rest was kept by paysystems and Ginix. Also when names are removed we probably never received the money anyway. Not to mesh up the dream you guys have that just the facts.

Shelby


From: BobbyJacobs Sent: 6/4/2003 5:52 PM

Shelby,
I can understand that, from the processor problems you've had. You say "kept" and Paysystems says "refunded to client".

But "probably never received the money..."?
That doesn't make sense in the context of my post.

The names came off for some reason, and it's too late to blame it on processor refunds. Those names, as you posted earlier, have long already been removed.
I'm assuming since a no-refund policy is in place that they were removed for other reasons, but obviously not for lack of receiving the funds as you state you flat don't know if you got the money or not. So the assumption is they paid and you have/had the funds.

I suppose it's too late to ask you to re-consider putting them back in with "placeholder" tags instead of names since I'm guessing you don't have a clue who they were or where they were. (I could tell you if you really wanna know)

But could I ask, in the name of fair-play and honesty, that the method of not deleting the position as I outlined earlier become SOP in the cases where you want to remove a name from now on? How's that sound?

I know it's asking you to turn down a 2-for-1 deal on the position's $, but the list moves slow enough as it is without making a 50 helper list turn into a "variable amount" helper list. Show the other sites how it's done!

Bobby


From: Shelby Sent: 6/4/2003 6:44 PM

Bobby I read the above three times and you are inaccurate in every sentence.

Shelby


From: Shelby Sent: 6/4/2003 6:48 PM

This is the END of this thread it so off topic..


From: Shelby Sent: 6/5/2003 11:34 AM

Bobby makes some good points and he speaks his mind, whatever, he's just totally inaccurate as I stated. We are forced once again to find a new processor which we have. This will take me a couple of weeks to set up and recode the site. Definately not an American company as we are no longer an American company. Things are getting even better as a result of Ginix Dropping us or whatever you want to call it. That's more money later after we file suit against them. But in the mean time I got on the ball, we can process money orders as we did before. That's absolutely no problem,,,,until the new merchant account is up. I cannot tell you more, really wish I could because now we are with reputable businesses that I wish we had found over a year ago.

Please feel free to post and vent your frustrations for the entire world to see, I won't respond to most because I know what's going on.....simply we are expanding our business. We also have to file suits against Timothy, his lawyer, Ginix, and paysystems if they fail to deliver as they stated they would but that's on Damion.

EZ Expo is now an international corporation and "I can't say more now but someone is going on TV, can't say what show yet, to be viewed by 20 million viewers running three episodes".

So to say the least little crap is part of business and it only makes us stronger.

I hope this is encouraging as it is meant to be just that. Sorry I can't tell more now but you know there are "bottom feeders" out there monitoring everything we do and I've probably said to much.

Shelby


From: BobbyJacobs Sent: 6/5/2003 12:55 PM

Shelby,
Inaccurate in every sentence? How so? Let's take a look by sentence #:
1 - You say you didn't have ccp problems?
2 - You didn't say in your post you "probably never received the money"?
3 - Opinion - cannot be judged for accuracy
4- ccp problem's been cleaned up:A fact you've posted a few times
5 - No-Refund policy not in place?
6 - A request -cannot be judged for accuracy
7 - A request -cannot be judged for accuracy
8 - A request -cannot be judged for accuracy

So where's the inaccurate statements?
I code for a living. Want me to send you the spreadsheet?

All I asked for was a fair amendment to present policy, and you want to close the thread and go completely off topic with this newest new ccp-du-jour news.

You didn't factor in that any ccp is gonna let folks chargeback even after you've "spent" the money, and now that's biting you in the butt. And the lack of performance from the site in general causes chargebacks from disgruntled investors, which tags you as a loser to the ccp's.

One more thing then I'm off my rant: Dodging these types of issues is alienating people like me who don't want to join any lawsuit or even try to get a refund. The people who are sticking in this with you, the last of your supporters. I hear what's going on here and the other forums - for you, folks like me are getting harder and harder to find.

This post or thread may be deleted (or my access to the group), but the entire thread will be cross-posted in other forums so the matrix community will know how you are going to handle this.

Bobby


From: Shelby Sent: 6/5/2003 2:51 PM

Bobby, like I said your statements were just plain made up CRAP.
My statements on the other hand are the facts as I choose to present them to you.
Your topic is off to begin with.
The thread is 50 Plasma crawls forward.

Supporters? Last of?
Whatever, 1 person filing a lawsuit isn't close to 30 -40 thousand people we have.

Now here I am reading this S%*T and even replying after I said I wasn't.
Now I feel like a liar, but due the no cussing policy, I am taking a break from this forum, as I have work to do.

BTW you don't know a Mother Fu$&#! thing about how much money we have received or spent.

Even though I've posted it here before.
Chargeback if you want I don't give a rat’s ***.
Never have never will.
If you code for a living , then please don't let me ever be one of your customers
Cross thread this all you want, as with you comments of total inaccuracy, (that's why I wouldn't want you to code a damn thing for me) you just keep PISSING me off, In fact I think you are Timothy........

Sounds like the same stupid sh#t he pulls...


Shelby


From: Shelby Sent: 6/5/2003 2:51 PM

One more thing if folks like you are harder to find I welcome the day......

From: Shelby Sent: 6/5/2003 2:54 PM

You say you are a customer Bobby, I doubt it.


From: BobbyJacobs Sent: 6/5/2003 5:23 PM

Shelby,
It's clear you are getting emotional about this, when really I was only asking for a change of procedure, which you have yet to address. I still don't understand what statements you think are made up, most of my posts were opinions & requests. The rest is documented names & numbers I have tracked, as most of us do. I'm asking this in a civilized manner and you come unglued.

"My statements on the other hand are the facts as I choose to present them to you." That, Shelby is what's alienating your supporters. How many posts have content asking you to clarify a position or explain something? Dozens. You only give it to us as you choose to wrap it.

I'm sure you have 30-40 thousand people's dollars, but I'm not seeing them all support you or even take part in these forums. That's what I call supporting, not a CC Number from someone who probably regrets their decision anyway. A supporter would make a suggestion or two that could benefit all involved, not just sit back and say "Oh well...". And that's simply what I'm doing here. I have never considered a chargeback or a refund and still do not. I have not given Timothy any thought and (in a post your admins later deleted) also told him I didn't like him and how he does things, and that I thought he was doing the wrong thing.
No I'm not Timothy.

You are correct, I do not know (I won't quote you since it was rather distasteful) anything about your finances, and have never purported to. You have said in another post you were 200K in the hole, and have often hinted at shipping figures. The last one I read referenced 80K. The post in this thread states that you "probably never received the money". So it's beginning to look like we are both unclear about your money situation, but I'm the only one who doesn't care. I don't care and have never thought of inquiring. It's apparent that you are having problems and, well, who doesn't when they run a business. You'll be ok.

You now state you don't care about chargebacks and never will. Interesting after Damion pleaded in the forum for no-one to chargeback at this time since "it wouldn't be a good thing to do right now".

I never intended to draw your ire. What I requested was simply a yes or no answer, with possibly a tad bit of explanation. What I got was ramblings about ccp's & how pissed off you are. You still have yet to address this simple request. I see nothing in this thread to get upset about....... or is there?

Yes I am a customer, 7 times over. Why else do you think I care about any of this?
Like I got nothing better to do?

Lastly, yes I code for a living. And if you had someone like me, you would have a straightforward fully automated accurate site. And a lot more happy supporters who wouldn't have to pester you with emails & posts in the forum. And probably lower blood pressure from the looks of it.
BTW, ever get around to fixing those "manually updated" helper lists?

Bobby

[hello]

All this shows me is that Shelby can NOT be trusted. Lie after lie, then another lie to cover up his last lie. I would rather be in a Matrix with a Site Owner who tells their customers the truth, no matter how bad it is. But being lied to is the lowest.

[Shelby]

No lies here Hello, or bobby or Timmy or whoever you call yourself today. You guys are so full of ****. LOL Pardon the language but you sound like Billary Clinton. It is entertaining and will be useful, please keep it up.

[Shelby]

What you fail to realize is even if Timmy or whatever he call himself today is polite, he's still wrong and will face it in court.
Same goes for me, you might not like my language, but I'm still right and know the facts, which you don't and apparently don't care about. Bobby was and still is incorrect, good thing sites like this post inaccurate data as I will not allow it to continue on my site.

[BobbyJacobs]

Shelby,
You keep saying I'm inaccurate, yet you give no details. You say I'm full of crap, but you STILL won't address the issue. Why are you getting so defensive about this? I'm guessing there's a good reason. Because you know that anyone who tracks EZ lists knows you're a liar.

It's a simple request, a simple inquiry. All it requires is a "yes" or "no" and a little explanation.

Yet you answer it like you answer all questions. You skirt the issues and think somehow you're god to those mindless flunkies who run your forum. You don't have the balls to stand up to an issue, you run like the shallow, lying, small man you are getting the reputation of being.
Take a look at the posts in the other forums. How many are nagging you for explanations on this or that. Clarifications. Questions about cycling. No other site owner has these issues. Nobody! But then again, other site owners are capable of running their sites - you are showing to be a person in the wrong line of work. You'll run EZ into the ground long before the lawsuit kicks your butt. Wonder why?
There are over a dozen of us now who are determined to either get an answer on this issue or tell everyone who will listen to invest ANYWHERE BUT EZ. Go ahead and advertise all you want (you always say you will and never have anyway - you don't have the $$). The real power in spreading the word about a site is peer-to-peer communication - not the media.
You are jamming it to yourself - hope you either get your head out of your butt or enjoy watching your site slowly sink into the sunset.

Bobby

PS: And for the last time, paranoid boy, I AM NOT TIMMY! You must be seeing him on every street corner by now. In your sleep. You dream about him. You accuse me and others of being him. Christ, you probably check your wife before you go to sleep.

[hello]

Shelby is a perfect example of "beating around the bush". Like I said before, I would rather be on a Matrix site where the owner actually tells me the truth, (no matter how bad the truth really is) but to lie about it, not just once, and not just twice, but repeatedly. What is the point?

[MaxPower]

Hey Bobby, How's it going...
Glad to see that you have finally seen the light and have become a member here at matrixwatch.

You have to be the 2nd most hated person over there at ezexpo (Watchdog being #1).
Keep posting at the other forum. Especially our web address (sure they will delete it; but maybe some will see it before it gets deleted). And who cares. They always delete your posts in that forum anyway.

I'm sure you will prove to be a great asset over here.

P.S. : Went to Wal-Mart today... Just happened to see Shelby picking up an application. lol:D

[BobbyJacobs]

I'm a member here because my time at matrixforum is getting thin. It won't be long till Shelby's mindless pigeons (Ms. Wiit and Ms Johnson) ban me altogether. But we all have alias's lurking for such an occasion I suppose.

The lawsuit.... Well I choose not to get involved. As you can guess it's not because of any feelings of loyalty to Shelby.
He's just a small minded short-visioned fool who just doesn't have the capacity to manage a business - nothing more. I'm not saying he's stupid, just ignorant. Some folks were destined to be leaders, he's destined to lose money and disappear.
A year from now it'll be "Shelby who.....EZ what....?"

He got a cash-cow site from a buddy, now he can't handle the day to day operation. A Beverly Hillbilly type, relegated to answering posts as a schoolchild would rather than face the issues and answering those questions instead.

You won't get much satisfaction from kicking him around legally. I get more satisfaction from listening to him come unglued! He thinks EVERYBODY is Tim.

Kinda like kicking a wino on the street.

Bobby

[BobbyJacobs]

Max, he wouldn't make a good greeter. He'd just ignore anyone as they walked by.

Bobby

PS: Thanks for the #2 recognition. I'm sure I have a good chance at moving Dog over for the #1 spot.