Possible lawsuit against Gotmatrix?

[ycchen]

I am curious why this jumbo money sucking website has not get sued yet? It has definitely reach the threshold that new signups will probably NEVER get any rewards.

I don't think Gotmatrix and other established matrices have any intention to close shop and refund. It might be the helper's best interest to look for alternative ways to get refund, such as lawsuit or other means?

Let say if some helpers want to get refund by suing gotmatrix, what will be the charges look like? Illegal Lottery ? Pyramid/Ponzi scheme?

[concerned]

Right now, their members still believe that they will get their products. The time will come when they get tired of waiting. If you look at their forum lately, you will see that the customers are already getting mad. All it takes is one person to start a lawsuit. I bet that they will get sued close to Christmas, since they are trying to make sales for Christmas. When those people don't get their products, they will sue.

[mikv]

Yeah the optimism is amazing on those forums. The die hards tell the others to switch lines or to buy in more times to boost the lines and they will cycle. They have implemented so many new ways to "promote and make money" but nothing works. The autocycles haven't produced any autocycles for any list but the $25 and they are supposed to be using those funds to close out all the other stagnant lists. It seems as though all promotions are now geared to help the $25 list only. They are focusing on the newest list only and leaving the other lists to stay stagnant. Even though that list is stagnant as well. This is supposed to be one of the best sites right? Customer service is what they preach yet nobody is getting any service when it comes to cycling or questions about cycling. Oh I guess they are promoting the XBOX and PS2 lines too but not as much as the $25.

[Pineapples]

I am getting mad, too! Well actually I have been mad since the 2nd day of the purchase at gotmatrix. Bought "ebook" for the "$500 cell phone of my choice" and 2 months later, there are only 7 people below me and like 30 in front of me! :mad:

[ycchen]

I am sure that many helpers/donors are mad. However, I suspect that most of them (if not all) feel powerless because they are not 100% sure if there is a strong case against the gotmatrix. I guess most buyers are just waiting for the result of Ezexpo lawsuit and see if it is worth to take up the class lawsuit against gotmatrix and other matrices.

Since there is no way that a helpers/donors will get any refund from the owner or the processors, I just cannot imagine how anyone can get their "scammed"* money back without the lawsuit? I thought may be gotmatrix's helpers/donors can brainstorm some strategies to fight back. Lawsuit is one option, any other suggestions?


*Note: we don't need to argue whether gotmatrix is a scam or a legitimate ebook sale. FYI, according to ex-owner of Exexpo --Damion -- ebooks sold on Gotmatrix worth ZERO $$.

http://www.matrixwatch.org/forums/showthread.php?threadid=869&perpage=10&pagenumber=3

In addition to the worthless ebooks, Gotmatrix, like all matrices, deliberately mislead buyers to believe that they will get the electronics soon. What can be more misleading than "Why pay retail?"

http://www.gotmatrix.com/shop/customer/home.php
Don't you hate spending your precious money? Don't you hate paying those high prices for electronics? Well we ask you the question "Why pay retail?" Don't! We have developed and now sell our method for receiving brand name, top of the line consumer electronics at incredible prices! We also have several cash matrices for you to invest in.

[MatrixWatch]

Originally posted by concerned
Right now, their members still believe that they will get their products. The time will come when they get tired of waiting.

It was the same exact situation with EzExpo. In fact, if you go to their forum, there are a handful of people still hoping that they will move to the top of a 3,000 name list. EzExpo had far more popularity and customers than GotMatrix ever will. Even with all of the publicity EzExpo had however, they were and still are unable to cycle people off the lists.

I think the customers of GotMatrix are wise though, and they will do what is right when the time comes. Let's see, however, if Greg (owner) does the right thing first.

[MatrixWatch]

Originally posted by ycchen
I suspect that most of them (if not all) feel powerless because they are not 100% sure if there is a strong case against the gotmatrix. I guess most buyers are just waiting for the result of Ezexpo lawsuit and see if it is worth to take up the class lawsuit against gotmatrix and other matrices.

It doesn't cost anything for the customers to file a class-action lawsuit though.

Who knows, perhaps someone is already planning to file one. The GotMatrix customers would need to see if they even have a case first though. Their best option at this point would be to email attorney Jeffrey Wilens and let him know everything about GotMatrix -- Jeff@LakeShoreLaw.org. If he determines that GotMatrix has done nothing wrong, then the customers can relax and wait to cycle. If GotMatrix is doing something wrong however, then the customers should get the ball rolling soon since it is likely that the site will not be around long enough for them to cycle.

The GotMatrix customers should not be waiting for the outcome of the EzExpo lawsuit. It will not really benefit them. None of GotMatrix's processors are listed in any of the already-filed lawsuits, so the customers of GotMatrix will need to have a lawsuit of their own filed for restitution. That is, of course, if it can be proven that there is a case against GotMatrix.

[ycchen]

I guess there is no risk to explore the possibility of lawsuit especially for those helpers/donors at the bottom half of any lists. The wait is most likely to be permanent. Why? The reason is simple. With rising consumer awareness, the already oversaturated market become extremely slow for the past 3 months. This chrismas sale will be their last supper. After that, I expect a complete halt in new signups for all matrices. So, I really don't see any future of optimism, except for the one who is cycling..:)

Originally posted by mikv
Yeah the optimism is amazing on those forums.

I saw more complaints on the forum before, many of them were removed. So, it is a "manufactured optimism" on any owner's forum...:)

[Got Matrix]

Actually most complaints are removed after the poster ask it to be. Most complaints are resolved in a timely manner and they're no longer needed to be posted.

Also I advise you not to spam my customers telling them to file lawsuits. I've been notified by a few customers that this is your new tactic. If it continues I will be contacting MW's attorney to let him know his ethics.

[ycchen]

Discussing consumer rights in this forum is spamming? Then, what should we do here in this forum? Promiting matrix-sites? ..:)

Look, this is a consumer awareness forum that remind current and future consumers about the new pyramid scheme on the net called: matrix-sites. Disgruntled menbers came here to get information and discuss strategies to help themselves. If you are willing to help them, they won't even have to come here in the first place, isn't it?

In any case, I still appreciate your effort of coming here to dialouge. I wish we could have more constructive conversation based on pure FACTS, not lies or threats.

So, if you think I am lying about gotmatrix, correct me with alternative facts. We will start from there.

[MatrixWatch]

Originally posted by Got Matrix
Also I advise you not to spam my customers telling them to file lawsuits. I've been notified by a few customers that this is your new tactic. If it continues I will be contacting MW's attorney to let him know his ethics.

What is this all about, Greg? Who is spamming your customers and how?

Greg, if there is something that you would like to tell my attorney then feel free to send him an email- Jeff@LakeShoreLaw.org

[Got Matrix]

I wasn't mentioning the forums ycchen. I have no problem with anyone's post on these forums unless they're misleading. I was referring to email spam, and unfortunately the ip addresses didn't match any of the ones I have logged representing wd, concerned, or a few others here.

[ycchen]

Good to know that you are not refering to the discussion on this forum as spamming.:) If there is someone spamming your members to file lawsuit against Gotmatrix, it will not be me, because I believe open discussion is more persuasive than email spamming..:)

[mjkski]

LOL- I know it's you I just can't prove it!!! LOL. All I can say is good thing you are not a cop, judge or lawyer....or a poker player for that matter. Must be one of your happy customers would be my guess!

Wow- Isn't this the Pot calling the kettle black!

Thanks for the good laugh Greg. :D

[Got Matrix]

Unless you have useful input please keep off this post.

[mjkski]

Are you a mod Greg? Sorry not here. Should I show you your post where you personally attacked someone? So that is okay, but my post is not? I just pointed out my observation, and made no attacks towards you.

I was responding to your post. See you are the one complaining about all the Dogs posting info that is libelous and not proven. However, you just did the same thing didn't you? You accused us of this crime, but can not prove it as of yet, right? I know you could be right, but you also could be wrong.

So who would have this secret password "decoder" to contact and spam your clients???? A customer maybe? What exactly did the email say? It may be telling in itself with the way it is written and what it says. Does it suggest to come here for further info? Does it refer them to anyone to pursue a lawsuit?

Like you said, it has been pretty quiet over here...which makes me think that it is not a dog. See when emotions are high, people then get aggressive and attack. But from what I have seen it has been pretty much low key over here for the past few weeks or month. Mostly concentrating on attacking ebay scammers

[Got Matrix]

Well I'm not accusing anyone, but since in this post WD advises people to follow up with lawsuits why shouldn't I make that assumption? Perhaps he has someone doing his dirty work. Spamming customers is as easy as going through the forums member list last time I checked, no secret decoder is needed as you mentioned.

If people attack my intellect you will not be seeing me on these forums in the future, and therefore they'll be dead once again.

[mjkski]

Originally posted by Gotmatrix

Also I advise you not to spam my customers telling them to file lawsuits. I've been notified by a few customers that this is your new tactic. If it continues I will be contacting MW's attorney to let him know his ethics.

Well I'm not accusing anyone, but since in this post WD advises people to follow up with lawsuits why shouldn't I make that assumption?

Say what? Okay, I guess I will just ignore the first post. Like I said, who knows who the heck it was. All I can say is not me.

I am sorry you felt my post attacked your intellect Greg- I didn't think I was making comments about your intellect. I do understand you are in a precarious position here and you are probably on the "defensive mode".

you will not be seeing me on these forums in the future, and therefore they'll be dead once again. Wow, there's about 4 of us all getting in on this. Don't give yourself too much credit just yet- LOL

[hurley9192]

so, I guess you aren't disputing your slow lines then Greg? You whine about spamming and then tell all your customers to ramp up the ebay auctions to get new unsuspecting people to plop down $25 and then wait a few months and figure out they aren't getting anything.

Keep up your scam Greg...it's really working well.

[Got Matrix]

I don't tell anyone to promote through ebay directly, they decide that on their own. I agree completely with you guys that if someone is selling information to make huge profits they should have their auctions shut down and their accounts cancelled.

If you notice I never named an individual in those post mjkski. but I did name MW.org. I would imagine if anyone out in the world would spam customers about filing lawsuits it would be someone from this site since that is your goal in life. Yes, I do have to be on the defensive side on these forums. Last time I checked you weren't my best friend or supporter.

[concerned]

Originally posted by Got Matrix
If you notice I never named an individual in those post mjkski. but I did name MW.org. I would imagine if anyone out in the world would spam customers about filing lawsuits it would be someone from this site since that is your goal in life. Yes, I do have to be on the defensive side on these forums. Last time I checked you weren't my best friend or supporter.

How can you come here and claim that it was this entire website that did this? Did you ever stop to think that maybe some of your customers started to do a little research after they have realized that they will never cycle? Do you think one of your customers could have started this because they are getting upset at the lines? You do know that Matrixwatch is a public website don't you? You know that somebody that ISN'T a member of this site could have done a google search and found this site, and got the idea on their own, and decided to take action on their own, don't you?

By the way, since you said it wasn't Watchdog or myself, who else do you have to blame?

[MatrixWatch]

Originally posted by Got Matrix
I don't tell anyone to promote through ebay directly, they decide that on their own. I agree completely with you guys that if someone is selling information to make huge profits they should have their auctions shut down and their accounts cancelled.


That is spinned the wrong way. Some of the matrix owners out there now say that it is unethical to sell a matrix link for several hundred dollars, but it is okay to sell it for a dollar or so. I assume that is why you had that little remark about "...to make huge profits". I deduce from this that you would be supportive of people who put an auction up for .50 cents or $1.50, etc. We disapprove of this as well, and those auctions will be cancelled.

Greg, please tell your customers, formally, on your site, NOT to list eBay auctions. We have already issued strong warnings against the sites that sponsor these auctions. And silence on the issue is not agreement. There must be a strong-worded announcement on the actual matrix site, otherwise these auctions are going to get out of hand.

[Got Matrix]

My customers can list auctions if they choose to do so they just have to follow ebay's rules. It is possible to list these without you cancelling them. Also you're correct, I do not have a problem with anyone selling information for $5 or less.

[ycchen]

So, will you endorse this auction on ebay?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3058669121&category=20391

do not bid!!!! go to www.gotmatrix.com you can get a gamecube for $25

[Got Matrix]

No, that is not listed correctly. No where is it listed that it's information in the title, it's also not in the information category and he's stating that we're selling gamecube's directly for $25.

[concerned]

That is exactly how ALL the ebay ads are comming up about GotMatrix. There has never been an ebay ad that says it is a matrix site. They all say that you buy the electronic for $X.

By the way, there isn't an information category, because Ebay does NOT allow the sale of INFORMATION. End of story.

[Got Matrix]

Can you explain to me what this category is then:
Everything Else: Information Products

[Lancer]

Why are they even selling info on where to recieve those products for those prices? That is false info. You can buy ebooks for those prices, not electronics. This is the first step into misleading the customer. All matrix auctions should be canceled unless they sale info on where to recieve an ebook and to have a shot at getting the electronic. The current auctions make it look like they can buy the auctions for that amount. Do you think its right for people to do this current method of selling on ebay where they should be telling the buyer that the info is where to buy an ebook? Also just about no one uses that INFORMATION PRODUCTS category. They use electronic categories.