Gotmatrix latest statistics: Signups and Earnings

[ycchen]

Upon request by some members, here are the latest statistics of Gotmatrix as of Nov. 14, 2003

Total Signups = 9831
Total Signups (excluding $25 & $50 lists) = 3086

Total Cycled = 2064
Total Cycled (excluding $25 & $50 lists) = 328

Total Waiting = 7767
Toal Waiting (exluding $25 & $50 lists) = 2758

Total $$ Received = $374,905.00
Total $$ Received (exluding $25 & $50 lists) = $253,135.00


If we compare the above numbers to those a month ago, we find that Gotmatrix did a pretty good job in sucking more $$ from newbies. Below are the numbers gained in a month.

Total Signups increase = 189
Total Signups (excluding $25 & $50 lists) increase = 158

Total Cycled increase = 44
Total Cycled (excluding $25 & $50 lists) increase = 19

Total Waiting increase = 145
Toal Waiting (exluding $25 & $50 lists) = 139

Total $$ Received increase = $10,245.00
Total $$ Received (exluding $25 & $50 lists) increase = $9,720.00

Okay, here is something I want to emphasize again & again! In ANY given time, there will be at least 80-90% of permament helpers/donors stuck in the matrix. No matter how fast the signup rate, these number will REMAIN the same. Here is the proof. Damion, got my point now? ..:)

% of permanent helpers = 79.01% (79.05% a Oct)
% of permanent helpers (exluding $25 & $50 lists) = 89.37% (89.45% in Oct)

[MatrixWatch]

yc,
I'm not a statistics guru, so please excuse me if this sounds too much like "laymans' terms". From your report I would say that a majority of the payouts and signups GotMatrix has processed since their opening have been on the $25 and $50 lists. However, the signups from the last month have been on lists out side of the $25 and $50 lists.

From this data, I suspect that the people who are signing up are not eager to join a long list, so they join a smaller one (with less names on it). However, even though the other lists may have less people, those lists probably have higher cycle lengths, so people don't cycle off as quickly. That is why the amount of non-cycled "helpers" increased 10.36%

Do I have this right?

Now, even though their month was "successful", the increase in business may be the worst thing for them. The problem is: What will GotMatrix do when the other lists become as long as the $25 and $50 lists? Will they just invent shorter lists for the customers to join?

Here is another question I have.. Where is GotMatrix drawing their new customers from? If they pulled in $9,720 in new orders, then did it come from existing customers, new customers, or elsewhere? Are they hiding auctions on eBay or something?

[MatrixWatch]

I read on another thread that there is some new automation deal over there, and that people's names are added to the lists before any money is collected. Apparently there is some sort of "pending" notation next to these names. Does this statistics report take that into account?

Also, I've sent a message to Greg at GotMatrix and invited him here to Matrix Watch to share his side of the story.

[ycchen]

Originally posted by watchdog
I read on another thread that there is some new automation deal over there, and that people's names are added to the lists before any money is collected. Apparently there is some sort of "pending" notation next to these names. Does this statistics report take that into account?

Pending (new signups but payments haven't arrive yet) status are excluded from the statistics because they might never arrive. I only count the effective signups (money that arrive).

Here are some of the statistics of the 50+ lists.
For $25 list, there are 27 new sigups.
For $50 list, there are only 4 new sigups.

The largest increase lists are:
PS2 , 47 new sigups
Xbox, 30 new sigups
Gameboy, 15 new sigups

The rest are either stagnant of move a little:
Plasma 42" , 3 new signups
Vaio Laptop, 5 new signups
Gamecube , 2 new signups
$1000, 3 new signups

In general, newbies are signing up to the "popular" items, those heavily advertised on eBay and else where. It is reasonable to assume that these newbies do not understand the rule of the game -- never signup to long list! So, they are the REAL victims of the matrix scam, unfortunately.

As many of us have perdicted, the strategy of the matrix owners, insiders and addicts is very simple -- continue to get those misinformed newbies to signup. Since ALL matrix-ssites are designed to MISLEAD newbies, newbies become the easy victims of the scam. I am 98% sure that all those who signup to the long lists or stagnant lists are newbies. I will verfy that later, may be tomorrow.

While continue to clean up ebay acutions, I think we also need to do what Hursley and Pineapples are doing on eBAy, that is to remind those who bid on the 'matrix info' auctions about the scam. That is probably the most effective way to stop the newbies from DONATING their MONEY! Signing up to long list is the purest case of donating money to feed the hungry owners and the addicts! :(

[MatrixWatch]

Originally posted by ycchen

The largest increase lists are:
PS2 , 47 new sigups
Xbox, 30 new sigups
Gameboy, 15 new sigups


So the Christmas spirit is working in their favor.

What do the eBay Watch Dogs say about this? Are there more PS2, Xbox, and GameBoy auctions showing up on eBay lately?

[ycchen]

Originally posted by watchdog
So the Christmas spirit is working in their favor.

Yes, this is their last Christmas supper. So, I am 100% sure that those new signups will NEVER receive a dime because after Chrismas, the whole matrix-sites will COLLAPSE! Everyone (pro or anti-matrix) knows that EXCEPT newbies ..:(

[damion]

Another reason the PS2 list and others are getting more signups is because these are the ones being advertised on ebay.
If they want the others to move they need to advertise to that niche market.

Damion

[Got Matrix]

Wow, back on MW to shed some light on your dull forums with the grace of one that speaks truth.

Nice reports ycchen, but don't you have anything better to do? If anything these reports show that business is good, so why even post them? Also unless you're a customer of mine I advise you to stay out of the private areas of my website before I pursue with your ISP.

I do not advertise on eBay and anyone who does promote matrix sites on ebay is advised to do so in a matter that will not break their rules or sell for more than $5, a fair price for information.

We have gained 748 new customers since October 1st with 512 new orders since that time. These are real stats, ones that my software keeps.

As far as the automation goes "pending" orders are notated on the rankings and if payment is not received in a timely manner they are removed. I seen someones post (someone from the inner circle, forget who) that stated I was posting false orders with the pending status. Now how lame is that and how lame is the person who thought this up? Someone also stated that I let "pending" people get to the top and then remove them once there. Please clear this up for me, when and which list did this happen on? Can you do this? I didn't think so. I thought by now you would post statements that you could backup.

I was invited back to these forums by WD but my stay will not be long unless you can make factual statements that are worth my time. I assume this is an attempt to reinvent your forums since they have been rather dead with only 1-2 post daily the last month. I guess that's what happens when you only have the inner circle to talk amongst since your opposition was banned.

[ycchen]

Originally posted by Got Matrix
Nice reports ycchen, but don't you have anything better to do? If anything these reports show that business is good, so why even post them?

Yes, I am surprised that gotmatrix actually able to scam more money from misinformed newbies. And this people will never get their free electronics because of your scam pyramid scheme!

Originally posted by Got Matrix As far as the automation goes "pending" orders are notated on the rankings and if payment is not received in a timely manner they are removed.

It is a joke that you actually remove the "pending" orders in a 'timely' manner? one month, 5 months? lol... But I am not interested in all your misleading gimmicks, because your 'effective' signups (those who actually pay) is pretty 'impressive' compare to other matrices. However, it wil only make your future crash more painful, that's all. Moreover, stealing money from 'high-school kids and poor single mother' is noting to be proud of and we will see how long your worthless pyramid/ponzi scheme will survive. It won't be long...:)

I will show another statistics of how long will it takes for these 189 effective signups to get their "free electronics." lol! Lastly, we have nothing better to do but continue to monitor your pyramid scheme until it disappear from the ebusiness world :)

[MatrixWatch]

Originally posted by Got Matrix
Wow, back on MW to shed some light on your dull forums with the grace of one that speaks truth.

Nice reports ycchen, but don't you have anything better to do?

Thank you for coming here to share your side of the story Greg. I noticed that you were getting a little upset about a few recent posts here, and I thought it was fair for you to defend yourself.

Greg, you really don't need to insult ycchen. He is just compiling data, and if you read his first post on this thread it was the questions of your customers that led him to release this report.

Now, a few of us have made some conclusions from the statistics. Would you mind responding to those claims. I mean, what do you plan to do for the 80+% of customers who are "permanent helpers"? How do you intend to prevent the pending-status sign-ups from staying on the list when they don't pay.

I know that you are upset, but it would be very helpful for your customers if you just answered the questions and issues raised instead of dealing out insults about our forums being slow. I'm sure that we can both admit that all the forums in matrix land have been slow lately.

[Got Matrix]

Can you explain to me what makes a customer a "permanent" helper? Do you know how this system works? With new sales coming in everyone cycles in time, yes the wait gets longer that is a known problem, but they work themselves up to cycled.

I have never let an order that was pending stay on for more than 2 weeks, and we didn't even have the automated rankings until about a month ago so once again your stats are incorrect.

The reason I'm coming at ycchen is that my rankings are password protected so that members only have access. He is illegally accessing that part of my website if he is not a customer of mine. Also his business is not wanted at GotMatrix so I would deter him from placing an order in the future whereas I would reject it as I would with any member of MW.

I don't care that he posted statistics for members if they asked him to, but that's my job to do, not his. So I advise you all of MW stay off of my website/forums, you're not welcome there.

[ycchen]

Well, I am one of your customer in "pending" status, you should receive my money order soon...:)

Why are you so afraid of making your matrix more transparent? If you claim to be a honest owner, I don't see why you have anything to hide? Right? ...:D

I will show you what do I mean by "permanent helper" in the next post -- a new statistics on how long these 189 effective signups (newbies) have to wait for their (why pay retail?) free gift. ..:)

Permanent helper (or donor, to be more percise) is defined as : AT ANY GIVEN TIME, there will always be 80%-90% of helpers (out of total effective signups) stuck in your matrix system regardless of the cycled rate.

Let me make it simple for you. For example, those who sign up at the bottom half of a donkey list will have to wait for at least ONE year to get their 'free gift'. Then, why one year is permanent? Unless gotmatrix can survive for another year (I seriously doubt it), or else, how can these newbies get their 'free gift?' :) Got it?

[concerned]

Originally posted by Got Matrix
The reason I'm coming at ycchen is that my rankings are password protected so that members only have access. He is illegally accessing that part of my website if he is not a customer of mine.

Not to get this off track, but how is this illegal? You have allowed other people to access your ranks by emailing you for a temporary password. How do you know that he didn't get the password directly from you?

This is a quote from your FAQ page.

14. How can I access the rankings if I would like to do so before I decide to purchase?

You can email us and we will issue you a temporary password.

[Got Matrix]

temporary, and if I don't want to approve giving it to someone I have that right

[MatrixWatch]

This issue actually runs pretty deep. As I recall, there was a large uproar when GotMatrix decided to hide the lists, and only allow password-holding members to view them. In fact, there was even a report filed with the Attorney General's office, right? Well, GotMatrix's response to this was that anyone can still view the lists, but they need to email Greg for a temporary passcode.

NOW, someone who has requested a passcode has used that data to compile intelligent and thought-provoking statistical reports. GotMatrix does not like the facts that the reports suggest, and accuses people of breaking the law. There are even threats of going after ISP's for collecting this data.

This does not make GotMatrix look good at all. In fact, it makes GotMatrix look like they have something to hide. With their threats to take legal action and have ISP's shut down, they are attempting to "scare" people out of researching the facts as they stand.

The only thing that GotMatrix can do to salvage their reputation here is to do what Damion said to do-- Compile some statistical data of their own and respond to the statistics gathered by ycchen. I believe that there are two reports right now.. The first one is a report on GotMatrix's earnings and signups for the past month or so, and the second report details how long it will take the current customers to cycle.

Greg, since these statistics threads are getting a little longer, feel free to start new threads to respond to each report if you so choose. You are not forced to do this "homework", but it may help to boost the spirits of some of your customers who are asking all of these important questions.

[ycchen]

FYI, you sent the temporary password to me when I signup to your ebook in September. I can show you the email upon request.

I am not a computer geek, so I actually do not know how to hack into your ranking list 'illegally' ..:)

[Got Matrix]

Well had you represented yourself as ycchen I would have not given it to you. I don't care if you post statistics, and I never stated that they were inaccurate. Also I already posted factual information from my software.

I reserve the right being the owner of GotMatrix to allow or disallow a user from visiting my site, and I will be following up with that if you attempt to access my site in the future. It's not about the statistics, that only proves business is good.

[MatrixWatch]

Originally posted by Got Matrix
It's not about the statistics, that only proves business is good.


I don't think that ycchen is just asking about whether or not the statistics are correct.. I think that he is asking about what you plan to do to cycle people off the long lists. People are not signing up for the $25 and $50 lists as much anymore because those lists have become too long to cycle anyone off. Instead, your new signups have gravitated toward the more empty (and more expensive) lists.

The new problem is that the same thing is happening to your other lists what already happened to your $25 and $50 lists, which means that signups will likely slow down on those lists too. How do you plan to help your customers cycle off more quickly? According to ycchen's other statistical report, you will need 40, 50, and even 80 signups a month, PER LIST, just to cycle those people off in 4 or 5 years.

So, according to ycchen, It IS all about the statistics, and the data shows that business may be worse off"

[Got Matrix]

Actually the $25 & $50 have been cycling at decent rates lately. As long as signups are occuring people are cycling and therefore happy, and by more people coming in we can reach more and more people through referrals through their good experiences. Yes the cycle time increases and increases, but once again that's why we have measures in place to deter this and we're working on new ideas daily.

[ycchen]

Originally posted by Got Matrix
Well had you represented yourself as ycchen I would have not given it to you.

Sorry, you are wrong again. I did present myself as ycchen. At that time though, I was stupid and did not know that a matrix is a pyramid scam. I only began to investigate into matrix-sites after I joined Matrixwatch in mid September.

Why don't you respond to my questions on your own statistics? Are you implying that my arguement is correct and you have nothing to say? Is this your answer?

[Got Matrix]

If you kept these records they'd be better than mine, I can only tell you total signups in general whereas I don't keep that detailed statistics. I don't have the time to keep a useless record. I will not say your log is incorrect and will not be investigating into it, like I said before it only shows that business is good and there's no point to defend myself.

[ycchen]

Originally posted by Got Matrix
If you kept these records they'd be better than mine, I can only tell you total signups in general whereas I don't keep that detailed statistics. I don't have the time to keep a useless record. I will not say your log is incorrect and will not be investigating into it, like I said before it only shows that business is good and there's no point to defend myself.

Okay, so you will not deny that my statistics is correct? So, you won't deny that the last signup in Sony PS2 list will wait for AT LEAST 4.7 years to get their 'free gift'?!

Do you think that is fair for the new signup to wait for that long? How can you justify that long wait?

Yes, business is good, but NOT for the newbies. It is good for yourself and your supporters at the top 2% of the pyramid. Right?

Greg, seriuosly, please take a few minutes to read my report and give us a better response. Thanks.

[MatrixWatch]

yc,
Perhaps you could just do an average of how many signups there are per list since the launch of GotMatrix. It won't be entirely accurate since the first and current months are outliers for varying reasons (grand opening and Xmas season).

That should give us a general figure of how many people have signed up per month. Then, see what the cycle rates would be. You don't need to take the time to compile another report, just look at the data and put it in plain words how long it would take. Or, have you already done this?

[ycchen]

WD, you want the profile of all the lists of gotmatrix, right? That is easy. I will present that data in a new thread.

ADD: Just to a comment here. I think using the profile of current lists to estimate the signup rate per month is a good idea. However, I still think using the "X'mas" signup rate (the one I had already done) is a better one. Why?
1) The signup rate is more update
2) It show the "Best" of what gotmatrix can do and it probably won't do 'better' in the future. As Greg repeatedly say : Business is good ..:)

Anyways, I will still show the profile of gotmatrix as of Nov. 14. 2003 soon.